Faith-Based Group Fires Back at Glenn Beck

Do the Magical Underpants come with a cup?

Is Amy on maternity leave? This is normally her gig. But the real question a certain commenter (or commenters depending on which profile is logged in) will ask is if Jesus is a Liberal, Conservative, Real American, or Black Panther?

Given the multiple personalities, I’m betting Rustyearl3xfreep is actually someone who worships the Greek pantheon.

“Faithful America was founded in 2004 when it aired an Arabic television ad expressing regret to Muslims for the Abu Ghraib abuses.”
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In b4 Rusty says, “These are just another groups of Amerca hating apologists for the liberturd agendas pushed by the MSM, ESPN, THe Game Network, ACORN and George Soros!!!1!”

silly christians, real americans know that the only real faith is what the angel moroni dictated in the 19th century, transcribed on golden plates, lost before anyone could see them.

There is not one single instance in the Scriptures of Jesus trying to use the political process to achieve a spiritual end. As a Bible-believing Christian, I wish my fellow Christians would take his example to heart.

ALEX, seriously..give it a rest. Everybody knows the liberal media and loony libs like you hate Beck..Limbaugh..Palin..etc. and it drives you guys nuts that they are so popular in ratings..books..etc.

I can’t speak for Alex, but the popularity of Beck, Limbaugh, and Palin doesn’t drive me nuts, it just plain worries me. I’m old enough to remember Father Coughlin, Senator McCarthy, and J.B. Stoner, and what I’m hearing from the Limbaugh-Beck-Palin faction sounds all too similar.

From their link on the “Faithful America”.
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Advance Praise for Progressive & Religious

“Robert P. Jones understands that progressive faith is not simply a ‘left’ alternative to the Religious Right, but a bringing together of religious belief and practice with progressive politics…. Progressive & Religious convincingly shows how people of many different faiths are creating an authentic social vision for a pluralistic America. I commend this book to all who are seeking to join their faith and politics in working for a better world.”—Rev. Jim Wallis, Sojourners, author of The Great Awakening

“Robert P. Jones is one of the most searching, thoughtful and practical thinkers in the revival of religiously-rooted progressivism, and his book is a great blessing for that cause and for the country. Anyone—left, right or center—who wants a guide to this new movement would do well to spend time with this book.” —E. J. Dionne, Jr., Washington Post, author of Souled Out

“This instructive book should be in front of every newspaper journalist and every spiritual progressive. Sensitive to theological as well as political concerns, Progressive & Religious is a valuable introduction to the contemporary struggle for a progressive spiritual transformation of the world that is taking place in most of the world’s religions.” —Rabbi Michael Lerner, Tikkun Magazine, The Network of Spiritual Progressives, author of The Left Hand of God

“This important book is a compelling rebuttal to the widespread bias in our society that the more fundamentalist religious people are, the more authentic they are. Progressive & Religious powerfully reminds us that working as God’s partners to heal the world is a profoundly religious task that stands in the mainstream of our religious ethical traditions.”—Rabbi David Saperstein, Religious Action Center for Reform Judaism

“An illuminating road map to religious re-discovery in contemporary America. With a marriage of journalistic enthusiasm and intellectual rigor, Robert P. Jones skips among the tensions that mar intra-religious relations in our society, smashing erroneous preconceptions and championing a renaissance in the way we look at faith. The result is a thorough examination of religion in modernity that highlights the progressive tendencies shared by all faiths in highly readable form.” —Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, American Society for Muslim Advancement
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“Progressive & Religious takes a unique look at the political views of Christian, Jewish, Muslim, and Buddhist leaders, and offers an insightful analysis of their diverse perspectives. Anyone who cares about the future of American faith-based politics will profit from this excellent book.” —Dr. John C. Green, University of Akron, Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

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These ladies and gentlemen are the representatives of the progressive march into not only our religion, but our churches as well.
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I want to thank Ms Dias for bringing this online group to my attention. I can now spread the “word” as Nancy Pelosi says about the new theology of Progressive Religion.
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As Glenn Beck says, “the cancer is spreading”

Beck does have faith, of some sort. Faithful America doesn’t hold the patent on faith. It is a natural human superstitious inclination. All we need to fear is faith itself. Whoever or whatever the purveyor.

Of course the link which TIME.com provided for Faithful America took me right to the webpage to sign up and give a donation. I also want to thank Mr Altman and Ms Dias for that as well.

Must be why they sell out every show in advance.. and the seats are FILLED with Christians.. you at the times really don’t do your homework very well but are always amusing for a good laugh.. by the way all the Christians SUPPORT Glenn Beck and DON’T BELIEVE IN SOCIAL JUSTICE we do believe in helping our neighbors, family and those who are UNABLE to help themselves.. you must also remember that the churches who promote soical justice have had a HUGE drop in attendance ie the Catholic Church.. the Christians who decide to not attend their Church because they are promoting social justice do NOT hold ALL the Christians, fact they hold very few..86% of the people in the U.S. are Christians and DO NOT attend a church.. Organized Religion is like the Government people making rules they don’t follow..and group of 2 or more talking/Praising the Lord and his works.. anywhere.. outdoors, in your yard, on your deck etc is considered a Church..

“Our” religion? And who’s might that be?

Never heard of Time magazine’s Elizabeth Dias until yesterday, but it didn’t take long (about four seconds) to discern the fact that she’s a run-of-the-mill leftist. Today, Dias declares: “One hundred thousand faithful Americans are telling Glenn Beck that enough is enough.”

“Faithful Americans”? These so-called “Americans” are “faithful” of what? Marxist socialism? Paganism? Atheism? Tree huggerism? Earth worship? Feminism (hahahaha!)? Racial tribalism? Obama? Anti-Americanism? Fundamentalist homosexualism?

Do you dismiss the role of sexual abuse of children within the Catholic Church and instead opine that their drop in attendance is solely because they believe in helping other people?

I caught that too Newfree. I wonder how much Altman donated. What a crock.
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Little dannylanna, progressive nut that he is, is at least honest. He’s scared. This liberal progressive utopia these wacko’s try to push on the world is rejected at every turn. Beck and Limbaugh simply apply the voice of reason and common sense, and the ratings soar.
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I’m sure Faithful America has Glen quaking in his sneakers. PFfffttt!

Are you the dude that protests outside soldier’s funeral’s declaring they died because god hates homosexuals? Are they “real” Americans?

It is most definately true textee, our entire way of life is under attack by progressives. They have over-run our government, our schools, the main stream media, and now they have boldly entered the doors of our churches.
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The cancer of progressivism is not only spreading, it has become terminal.

formerlyjames: we’ve had some of this conversation before, so I won’t belabor it here. Just put me down as cringing at the representation of Christianity that Beck and co. insist defines Christianity.

We need to fear those who insist that only their view of reality is correct – which includes members of all faiths, and also, ahem, those who are convinced that no faith is correct.

lcky9, just a friendly tip.
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The software program you’re using to translate your response into English from the language on your native planet isn’t working very well.
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Hope that helps.

I wouldn’t worry too much. Despite what their followers like to brag, the number of people it takes to have a hit cable show or best selling novel isn’t that large. I think Beck gets between 2-3 million viewers. While that’s a good number for cable, it’s less than 1% of the US population. There has been, and always will be, successful shows and books that harp on points like this.

daniel: I agree. I have never found any of the reactionary right amusing. I too remember McCarthy, the start of the Birchers, HUAC, the black lists, the China policy and other issues and people who ruled with fear as their tool. They were successful too long. Funny they are not.

Now if only the Republican establishment had the “balls” to take on Limbaugh, Beck, and the other extremists in their party, it would be a good sign.

you’re right, only religions which you, o devout, pious, christlike textee, deem worthy are deserving of the name. your humility before god is a wonderful example. now tell us all what god really wants, o keeper of the one true faith! what’s god really like in person? are you his favorite? cause if every christian were exactly like you, i’m sure we’d have heaven on earth! do you go to worship services every day and evening, or more than that? c’mon, spill, holy one!!

Why do so many right-wingers hate Jesus?

“Racial tribalism?”
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Here we go again…

Rusty’s “our religion” comment goes right back to what’s at the heart of his “piety”. It’s just another way to gain a false sense of superiority. You see, Christianity is an exclusive club he belongs to that makes him better than you. I might feel different if he ever put up a post showing something like compassion for his fellow man. But no, religion is just another thing to make him feel better than you.

At the end of the day, this all may help Beck. All he has to do is get 2 million Americans worked up enough to keep tuning in. He doesn’t have to offer solutions or answers that work in real life. His goal is his career. The culture wars and tea parties are just ways for people on both sides to make money. At the end of the day, it will always fall on us to deal with reality.

it’s the “least of these my brethren” part. makes him sound like a liberal.

Rusty is fearfully dreading the day when he is the only ‘normal’ person left.

Fascinating.

Would all the folks defending Beck please read their gospels and tell me where Jesus placed conditions on helping the less fortunate? Where does Jesus say that you have to first determine if someone can “help themselves” and if so, what the exact standards were? Is it up to you to decide who gets help? If so, your comments have a chilling lack of compassion (a main attribute of Jesus). It might be time to get the plank out of your own eye before chasing after sawdust in everyone else’s.

“This summer as Beck travels the United States solo and with Bill O’Reilly”
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Now what does this say about Bill O’Reilly?
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There used to be a religion that was appropriate for Beck, O’Reilly, Rusty, 2/3rdsrocks, et al..
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It was called The Order…

Ah.
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So, while right-wingers don’t like the teachings of Jesus, we lefties don’t like what His followers do in His name.

“Beck and Limbaugh simply apply the voice of reason and common sense, and the ratings soar.”
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See 13.
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Also note that our founding fathers had great concern for the excesses of instituting state religions. The concept (outside of TSD curriculum) is known as separation of church and state.
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Of course, 2/3rdsrocks, you don’t mind if I address you in the future as Ayatollah 2/3rdsrocks, would you…

And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
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– Matthew 21:12-13

Yes, I can see how without knowing anyone at all, have never met that individual or even held a conversation with them mr djtrudeau, that you have a full grasp of their entire person.
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Please keep typing away sir, I hope one day someone can meet you face to face to explain exactly how wrong you truly are.
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Have a nice day, mr djtrudeau, the non-progressive christians will pray for you.

@6.3: “Little dannylanna, progressive nut that he is, is at least honest. He’s scared.”
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This is a very astute observation. The reaction is best described as very appropriate.
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Current conditions have some similarities to Germany, 1933. We have a particularly deadly force of absolutists on both race and religion.
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I think that the forces gathering now are in mid-crescendo of hate that had it’s birth in the GOP 35 years ago.
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There are few checkpoints left. One of them is the GOP, which is at a fork in the road in the battle for control between those that still ascribe to the Libertarian creed to further their hateful causes and those who are real conservatives.
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Next checkpoint: separation of church and state.

“I hope one day someone can meet you face to face to explain exactly how wrong you truly are.”
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Rusty, I have a great idea:
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Why don’t you volunteer to perform the office?
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Maybe the internet isn’t quite as good as face to face, but heck, if you are so certain that you are correct, why turn tail and run?
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You do have facts at your disposal, don’t you?
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Well don’t you?…

I keep telling ‘em apr2563, but they are just too skeeeered…

You are correct, Rusty, in that I don’t know you as a whole person. Maybe there’s more to you than what you put out here. But what you put out here is a never-ending screed of “us versus them” that shows neither compassion or thought. Just one knee jerk reaction afer another. Your history of comments is long and I’ve never seen one drop of anything outside a desperate attempt to be better than the “other people”.

The elitism of your last line says it all. You belong to the “better” group of Christians. I really hope, for the sake of those who are close to you, that there is a whole side of you I’ve never seen here. Until I do, though, all I have to go on is what you’ve already written. I don’t wish you ill but it would be nice if you didn’t spend so much time wishing it on others. It’s just not very Christian.

Your challenge to the righties is exactly on point. It will be very interesting and revealing if they try to answer it with an honest and substantial response. I suspect they won’t, though. I doubt if they can. If we get an answer at all from them it will probably just be the usual ranting and insults.

sherpherdwong, Jesus was performing a spiritual act in a spiritual place (the Temple), not a political act. The Romans had the political authority, but they were not in authority in the Temple. The Temple system was under the Jewish spiritual authority, and the moneychangers and those who sold animals for sacrifice were doing so in accordance with the permission of the spiritual authorities. The system of moneychangers and animal merchants in the Temple was not authorized by the Law of Moses, but was a manmade system operating in the Temple illegally with respect to the Law. Since Jesus performed his “cleansing” of the Temple a few days before the Passover, he was symbolically ridding “his Father’s house” of leaven (manmade teaching and law). Ridding the house of leaven was (and is) a commandment for all Jews under the Law of Moses as part of the Passover preparations. As a Jew who followed the Law, Jesus was doing a spiritual act in accordance with the Law, not a political act.

mr trudeau:
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No one including Glenn Beck has ever said “Jesus placed conditions on helping the less fortunate or
Jesus said that you have to first determine if someone can “help themselves” and if so, what the exact standards were”
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Maybe the following parable from Christ could help enlighten you some:
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The Parable of the Unmerciful Servant
21Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.[a]

23″Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand talents[b] was brought to him. 25Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.

26″The servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28″But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii.[c] He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.

29″His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay you back.’

30″But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31When the other servants saw what had happened, they were greatly distressed and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32″Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35″This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.”

Matthew 18:21-35
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Ask Rev Cones or Rev Walis how they would interpret this passage in the Bible. Ask them how they would justify what they have said against this parable themselves, then come back and talk to me about that plank in my eye.
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And by the way mr trudeau, it was Ben Franklin who originally said “God helps those who help themselves.”

The part about a rich man not getting into heaven must annoy them a little too.

Riiiight. Then they could all go back to cutting taxes for the rich, gutting industry regulations and starting unnecessary, unwinnable wars. Nothing “extreme” about that.

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In case mr trudeau you want to actually listen to what Mr Cone speaks of as his Black Liberation Theology. Pay particular and close attention to what he says from 9:00 – 12:00 minutes.

Eh, one man’s political act is another’s religious one. I just enjoy the fact that even the original pacifist couldn’t keep it together in the face of the original banksters.

Rusty wrote:
‘No one including Glenn Beck has ever said “Jesus placed conditions on helping the less fortunate or
Jesus said that you have to first determine if someone can “help themselves” and if so, what the exact standards were”‘.
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At #8 Icky9 wrote:
‘by the way all the Christians SUPPORT Glenn Beck and DON’T BELIEVE IN SOCIAL JUSTICE we do believe in helping our neighbors, family and those who are UNABLE to help themselves..’

“Eh, one man’s political act is another’s religious one.”
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Except in Jesus’ case. He made a clear distinction between what was to be rendered to Caesar and what was to be rendered to God. That’s why I wish all Christians would follow his example, and that’s why I am not trying to use the political process to impose a Christian way of life on America.

“Fundamentalist homosexualism?” Is that only missionary-style, then?

Okay, Rusty, I’ll bite. To start with, I am familiar with this parable and thinks it’s pretty funny that it’s the one you’re using to prove me wrong. The lesson is the servant didn’t act with the unconditional mercy of his master and was punished. It’s not about how some people don’t deserve help. It was the servant who was wrong for not helping, not the master who did. The lesson is that showing compassion and understanding are important to God and those who don’t will have their “accounts settled.”

I don’t know the work of the people you mention. I never said I did. I was only talking about the attitude you and others have shown. That is to say, one devoid of compassion or understanding. Just a strong desire to be superior and to win the war against the left.

And I’m glad you posted a quote of Franklin, the founder of our nation’s first social services, which set out to help those that couldn’t help themselves. That’s the type of distinction I don’t expect you to make.

kathy, yes we have visited my faith views previously, but I am irredeemable, fed by a compulsion to tune into the religious cable channel lineup. Nothing I have seen there that I recall resembles your own notion of christian faith. But seriously, if there is nothing I find entertaining on the secular channels, I immediately tune into the religious lineup. Maybe there is hope yet, by osmosis if nothing else. I will experiment by laying of hands on the receiver occasionally.

This is an interesting exchange, and in deference to the spirit of daniel’s post, I will limit my response to this. It is my understanding that the temple and the temple grounds were the center of all civic life, rule of law, and merchants exchange. The act of assaulting it was extremely rebellious, a serious affront to the people, to the high rabbis, and to the Roman government.

“To start with, I am familiar with this parable and thinks it’s pretty funny that it’s the one you’re using to prove me wrong.”

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mr trudeau, I do not have a want or desire to “prove you wrong”. I am confident, you most likely wouldn’t truly listen to what I have to say anyways, as you have already so eloquently stated your opinion of me without the slightest clue as to who I really am.
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For all you know I could be some fake conservative on here just to get the liberals all riled up. Isn’t that right mr trudeau.
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But, the point I was attempting to make is to have you first look at the proponents of the “progressive religion” which Ms Dias has written about. The people who are behind this “New Christianity” and are out to “shut Glenn Beck and the Tea Party down”, end quote. Yea, that’s a really “Christian” way to try to work with people to understand what you stand for and are all about isn’t it mr trudeau?
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Like I asked mr trudeau, if you are at all serious and stand behind the words you type on your computer screen for everyone to read. Go and listen to at least Jame Cone. Listen several times if you don’t understand him, and then, then come back here and ask me to take that “plank” out of my eye.

Well, now we know what lies at the nexus of religion and politics in America in 2010: batsh!t craziness.
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If it is possible for a “discussion” to subtract from the sum of human knowledge, then this one is doing so.

Too true, Friar. Having been out all day and trying to catch up has practically injured my scroll wheel finger.

I have to revise my response. I am a fan and am inspired by Joel Osteen. Although he is identified with the biblical prosperity movement (send me money and god will enrich you), and urges his audience to join a bible based church, his sermons are far removed from the standard religious message.

FT, with all respect, jump in anytime. Forgive me if I don’t find your comment to contribute much.

Right on target as usual, formerly. I started a much more ambitious comment, then gave up and said “da heck wid’ it.”
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This of course proves that when I have nothing to say, I’m better off saying nothing!
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I should clarify that by “this discussion” I meant the discourse in general and not this thread in particular.

formerlyjames, it was all that you say, but the motive of Jesus was to confront the spiritual authority that oversaw the Temple. When a person went to the Temple, they paid a Temple tax. The only coin that was accepted by the Temple authorities (becaues it was trusted as being pure silver) was the half-shekel coin minted in Tyre (Herod also minted a similar coin). It was this coin that the money-changers were selling in the Temple, at very high rates of exchange. However, besides the unfair exchange rates, the coin itself was spiritually offensive because it had a graven image on it, which violated the Law of Moses, and the coins themselves were thus defiling the sanctity of the Temple. Jesus was “cleansing” the defilement and also challenging the spiritual authority of the Temple authorities (and indirectly the politically authority of the Romans who permitted the Temple tax).

Pharasee-ism?

“…the motive of Jesus was to confront the spiritual authority that oversaw the Temple.”
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Sounded more than a little bit pissed to me. Though I have a hard time ascertaining the true motives of people who can explain them to me from the same sofa so…

FT, understand. Thanks.

Should be 15.4 of course.

I don’t know anything about the group “Faithful America” but I do know a little about Glenn Beck. His religious beliefs are based on the teachings of Mormon founder Joseph Smith. His political beliefs are founded on the teachings of fiction-writer, pseudo-philospher Ayn Rand. Beck doesn’t deny that he embraces Ayn Rand’s philosophy; I saw him on his TV show recently waxing poetic about Rand’s genius, and recounting how his daughter said it changed her life after he recommended it to her. Rand was a devout atheist who scorned Christians as weak. She believed the masses were parasites who benefited from the genius and hard work of the elite (among whom, one must assume, Beck considers himself). Rand was a pro-abortion, sexual libertine who started the pseudo-philosophy of Objectivism. Some who have left Objectivism for true Christianity have renounced the philosophy as a cult. None of the things I have written are disputed by Beck or anyone who deals in facts; if you doubt these facts, just do a little Googling. What amazes me is that Beck can so openly embrace the philosophy of a pro-abortion, Christian-hating atheist, yet so many right-wing Christians swallow every bit of the garbage Beck is selling.

So in the cause of fairness, I followed your link from above and watched Mr. Cone. While I agree with reading the Bible from the point of view of the disadvantaged and powerless, he does take it in a direction of class warfare I don’t like. I don’t think reparation discussions are a matter of religion.

What it doesn’t change are the the points I posted above. While you may be correct in some of the ways he is wrong, it doesn’t make you correct. Once again, it’s a fight over “my version of Christianity is better than his”. Also, not liking the way you use religion doesn’t mean I’m somehow on his side. Your posts still lack the element of compassion essential to Jesus’ teachings.

And please stop the “you don’t know the real me” storyline. As I mentioned above, I wouldn’t have such strong opinions if you weren’t a constant commentor following the “I’m better than the liberals” storyline. I can only address what you put here, same with what you can say to me. And if your posts are fake, it would make it even worse (though we both know they’re not).

We’re not going to change each other’s minds on this, so I’ll check out here. I don’t wish you ill, but I do think you could do with some introspection.

Rusty wrote:
 
“These ladies and gentlemen are the representatives of the progressive march into not only our religion, but our churches as well.
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I want to thank Ms Dias for bringing this online group to my attention. I can now spread the ‘word’ as Nancy Pelosi says about the new theology of Progressive Religion.
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As Glenn Beck says, ‘the cancer is spreading’”

What a shame you don’t believe in freedom of religion, Rusty. Why do you hate America?

I was raised in the Presbyterian Church, married Anglican, and taught for years at a Lutheran college. Those are among the original mainstream denominations. It’s the poltical fundamentalists that are “marching into” American Christianity, largely from the base of megachurches that are being built among new suburban subdivisions. People join to find dates and to take advantage of the day care, gyms, and jacuzzis that they get to build tax-free. Few really care about theology and they didn’t grow up in Bible school, so when some politicized preacher tells them to hate gays and love Mammon, they’re like, whatever, when does the Christian rock band play?
 
Lcky9: “by the way all the Christians SUPPORT Glenn Beck”
 
Not this Christian. And I’m certain that traditional Southern Baptists consider Mormonism a heresy, so they wouldn’t support him either. What denomination do you belong to?
 
Re Beck’s gold-selling scheme: “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and Mammon.”—Mt 6:24
 
And: “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.”—Mark 10:25
 
For you, Rusty:
 
“A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.”—Prov 15:1
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”—Gal 3:28
 
Sadly for those who distort the message of the Bible, there really isn’t that much against homosexuality. True, Leviticus condemns a man lying with a man as if a woman, but that’s in the context of a general tendency of the Mosaic law to prohibit practices that impair fertility. Men behave in many ways we would call homosexual today: they kiss each other, lie in each other’s bosom, wash each other’s feet. As for lesbianism, the OT doesn’t mention it at all (it doesn’t impair fertility, and in a society with a shortage of males due to constant warfare leading to multiple concubines besides the official wife, it might be desirable for women to form close attachments). Paul does call it “unnatural” in the specific context of problems with the church in Corinth, but Paul’s letters are not commandments. After all, he opposed heterosexual marriage.
 
Speaking of marriage: “It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.”—Mt 5:21–32. Too bad for Newt Gingrich and John McCain.
 
The Bible has much more to say condemning “usury,” which was defined as lending money at interest. I’d like to see the fundies refusing to do business with banks, credit-card companies, and payday lenders. But they’re too busy harassing the gays.

AMEN.

Popular with half witted ,neo nazi pinheads.

Blah Blah Blah

they’re spineless parasites.

Amen

Right on

Quit confusing rustyblog with different ideas. You’ll make his head hurt.

100,000,000 of 330,000,000 Americans is 3/100THS of ONE PERCENT of Americans are unhappy with Beck’s beliefs?
That is some kind of representative percentage of disapproving Americans?

.03 of one percent? That is a percentage to cause alarm?

There’s 10 times that number of Americans that don’t like peanut butter and jelly, or ice cream, or sports. or of writers not knowing how small and unrepresentative .03% of any statistical field is.

peanut butter and jelly, sports, and ice cream should immediately be banned from America being those disenfranchised are at least 3/TENTHS of ONE PERCENT of Americans

We should keep writers that can’t understand math though, there’s always a need in America to lead the “panic-ed” in new campaigns against really insignificant issues.

sorry….I wrote 100 million upset people instead of the 100 thousand upset people….those pesky 0′s

I picture Glen Beck as one of the scheming, evil ones who live at the compound on “Big Love”. He will come to a bad end.

I saw Beck a few times on CNN. My impression of him…. if it was 1950′s / 60′s ….I would see Beck wearing white sheets, terrorizing people and Bill Reilly cheering the Klan on…. just a waste of skin and full of sh_t.

Christians!
Please behave! Not to mention the pollution the quality of bamboo is not Satan, then adults!
Satan adults of all good! All beautiful! All justice! All the light!
Satan adults is the creator of all things!
Satan is to deny deny a source of true love!
Is the denial of justice!
http://diethealth.weebly.com/eat-fruit1.html

…..WTF??!!??!!

So what. The guy’s a Mormon. He’s not even a real Christian. He doesn’t count.

Simply awesome.

As the state run media (aka Progressive propaganda arm) becomes even more detached from reality, the “news” stories become more incredible by the day.
This supposedly Christian organization is obviously a left wing organization.
Beck is is more than correct in his observations at least 90% of the time.
“Social justice” is nothing more than code for big govt left wing interference in our lives and liberty. Christianity has nothing to do with the issues today, other than they are persecuted by the far left radical regime and liberals in the media. Their (the media’s) attempt to divide and conquer patriotic conservatives will surely fail. We must continue to fight the evil that is trying to take over America today.

He doesn’t subscribe to her beliefs, just her economic and political philosophy. Some people try too hard to be propagandists.

Some people try too hard to be propagandists.
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Yes, they’re called “Fox News.”

Impressively crazy. Your move, textee.

I’m astonished you can watch religious cable shows. aaaagh.
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I haven’t ever seen a religious teevee show that I think presents what most of the Christians I know see as their faith. (where is Friar Tuck when I need him?) The possible exception might be The Vicar of Dibley, but that was mostly dressing up a bawdy comedy in the trappings of church so they could get away with it. Nonetheless, the theology wasn’t bad.

This reads like HQ. please tell us it’s not true.

Um, that should be QH, not HQ. I have no idea what headquarters thinks.

“he does take it in a direction of class warfare I don’t like. I don’t think reparation discussions are a matter of religion.”

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You got it mr trudeau!! Congratulations!!
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Your summary of the Cone discription of Black Liberation Theology was also the same summary I came away with from the Glenn Beck TV show which Ms Dias not only was wrong about, but described as:
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“Beck’s recent attacks on Christian theologies of justice find little to no support from Scripture. Faithful America says Beck specifically ignores the message of the prophets and Jesus. “He has gone after what’s at the heart of what we believe our faith tradition says,” Beth Dahlman, Faithful America’s online organizer, told TIME. “For people in our community, there is just no way to read scripture and not think about social justice.

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You see mr trudeau, people like Cone have perverted the Christian teachings to meet their own immoral goals. Cone who begat Wright who begat Obama believe in a religious concept called “collective salvation”, not individual salvation. Their “doctrine” is predicated on the fact YOU as a white person have sinned against the black person. You should be punished, and your punishment should be you pay for those sins in the form of giving up all of your worldly possessions to those black folk you sinned against. This is the “justice” which ms dias is speaking of in her blog posting.
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Now I don’t know about your background, but I have never lived in the South, none of my ancestors ever lived in the South, and the most important fact, none of my ancestors or I EVER owned a black slave. As a matter of fact mr trudeau, I have documented proof of how my ancestors were actually involved in the underground railroads in Pennsylvania, maybe you also remember what that was too.
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Now in the Cone / Wright / Obama Black Liberation Theory, just the fact I am white I am guilty none the less for every other white person who did own black slaves at some point in history. Since they are all now dead by well over 160 years and I am alive, well mr trudeau, tag your it. You pay!
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Then the other part which you did not pick up on is the difference between social justice versus equal justice. Do you know the difference between the two mr trudeau? If you do not, I would be more than happy to explain it to you. If you do not, I would sugget you google up both, and read the definitions, and then come on back and let’s talk some more religion and how the two fit into our religious discussion.

OH and one more thing mr trudeau, when you open a door as you did with a challenge of:
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“Would all the folks defending Beck please read their gospels and tell me where Jesus placed conditions on helping the less fortunate?”

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Then shut the door real quickly after you have been proven to be wrong and say;
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“We’re not going to change each other’s minds on this, so I’ll check out here. I don’t wish you ill, but I do think you could do with some introspection.”

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Is not very christian-like either. Do you also run into theaters, shout out FIRE and then quickly leave the theater, mr trudeau? That was exactly what Ms Dias has done with her two blog posts as well, mr trudeau.
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She shouted out fire in a crowded theater, then she came back later to explain to all the people why she did it, but instead of telling the truth (if she even knows or understands the truth), she distorted and LIED about the facts. One would think someone with the great character traits you have displayed would have also picked on that as well.
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Is that enough “introspection” on my part mr trudeau, or would you like to lecture to me some more?

Yea ms april2563, that would be great for the progressives of the United States like YOU, right? For all conservatives to just bow down to the will of you liberal loons and just give up.
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My response to you ms april2563.
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WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER

“We must continue to fight the evil that is trying to take over America today.”

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It is a fight, a classic struggle between good and evil. The Evil of progressivism the liberal loons are attempting to drive down our throats, versus the good which is and has been the United States of American for 234 years.
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The “hope and change” which Obama spoke about in his sermons on the campaign trail in 2008 was exactly what we see today.
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More big government intrusions into our lives. Spreading the wealth ala Black Liberation Theology he learned from his mentors Wright and Cone. Allowing the evil work of the devil himself take over our government, our schools, now our churches, and they want it brought right into our homes next telling us exactly what we will and will not do in our lives.
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It is all about taking away our individuality. To replace that with a perverted form of socialism which puts us all in the same boat together whether we like it or not.
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It must be stopped, it will be stopped and we can restore America to it’s once great self.
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If people do not vote the liberals out of office this fall, we shall see more of the same from Obama. But, I warn you, he will finish the job he started out. That job is the destruction of this country as we know it.

You LIE mjeatty. Show your proof of it with citations and website sources. Otherwise you prove nothing except that you are a LIAR.

If djtrudeau is around, I would like to ask a few questions in re some other points about Glenn Beck (and others)’s conduct.
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That is, given the span of time that has been completely ignored, isn’t it a perversion of God’s word when someone attempts to inject blanket statements like theirs – derived from modern politics, into the interpretation of His word?

You mean like the nutcase Cone?
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Also these:
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2. The symbolism of the engraving of the Ten Commandments in stone, as opposed to all other passages in the Bible. I interpret this as a symbol of durability and inviolability.
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3. The interpretation of the words ‘brother’ and ‘neighbor’ in same. I interpret this to mean ‘people’ in the singular or in the plural.
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4. Glenn Beck did indeed say that “”Black theology refuses to accept a god who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community…”
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Given that, and the fact that only a very small percentage of the Black community believes in this theology, is Glenn Beck bearing false witness against his neighbor [brother, people]?
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5. Does the Commandment(s) referring to worshiping no god but God or the one referring to making icons apply to the attempt by some Christians to promote him?

kathy, You’re right about The Vicar of Dibley!

Let me point out why you like it:
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1. Cone is a nutcase, and thus, a Black theologian behaving badly.
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2. Glenn Beck attaches his theology to the entire Black community:
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“Black theology* refuses to accept a god who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community…”
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3. Since Glenn Beck attached Cone to the entire Black community, you are now free to go to step four:
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4. Foment racial hatred and fear by promoting these false associations.
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Yet another “Willie Horton-ism”…

Rusty:
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26.3 is just for you…

newfreedomblog,
Thanks for your clear explanation of what is happening
in our country..
and what the truth is.Keep up the good work. I intend to write to my people and spread the same about the progressives’ agenda.
Glenn Beck may not be a Protestant, but he like most
mormons love the Constitution and understands
it better than most Americans.
They have been working hard at this power grab for a long time and they can’t let this “golden” opportunity get away from them…

“WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER”
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That will also be about the time the Teabaggers’ image begins to improve…
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Just for a few laughs at Rusty:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/16/tea-partiers-posting-slammed-as-feeble-offensive/

Talk about fomenting racial hatred and fear!
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“The “hope and change” which Obama spoke about in his sermons on the campaign trail in 2008 was exactly what we see today.
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More big government intrusions into our lives. Spreading the wealth ala Black Liberation Theology he learned from his mentors Wright and Cone. Allowing the evil work of the devil himself take over our government, our schools, now our churches, and they want it brought right into our homes next telling us exactly what we will and will not do in our lives.”
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If there was ever a perfect example of Rusty’s racist this is it!

Eat this:
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/16/poll-reid-moves-ahead-of-angle/

Thank you paniculata10. One comment like yours makes up for all of the negative comments from the likes of 53_3 who is himself a racist, but can’t admit it to himself.
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His hate of his “whiteness” is not unlike the anti-semtics are with other Jews. These abnormal feelings and subsequent projection onto others seems to be a very liberal phenomena these days.
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While mr trudeau has mistaken my negative comments back to the likes of 53_3 as being somehow “unchristian-like”, my motive was to play their own game. Unfortunately they are not smart enough to pick up on that, they become consumed with their anger.
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I am not at all surprised with their comments. Desparate people do and say desparate things.
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But, I will debate with someone whose rationale is intact, and they can remain civil in discussions. But, having debated the 53_3′s so many times I cannot count, they always resort to 3rd grade-like name calling as their weapon of defense against their losing arguments.

“There is not one single instance in the Scriptures of Jesus trying to use CPR to save a babies life either. Do you also wish your fellow Christians to take this example to heart?

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/07/15/faith-based-group-fires-back-at-glenn-beck/?replytocom=181905#respond#ixzz0trX2LnnZ

Given that, and the fact that only a very small percentage of the Black community believes in this theology, is Glenn Beck bearing false witness against his neighbor [brother, people]?

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One canot be accused of bearing false witness against someone else if what that person (Glenn Beck) is saying is the truth.
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Pretty simple isn’t it?
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And pretty small? Pretty small doesn’t seem to fit well when one of its members however now former sits in the White House as President of the United States of America.
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Not that simple now, is it to explain it away. Right 53_3?

IQ53 26.5 is for YOU!
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Oh and by the way, Glenn Beck did not “attached” Cone’s wacked out theory to ALL blacks or the black community as you so eloquently lie about here.
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He has made numerous positive comments about Martin Luther King, Jr on his program, and fully embraces King’s teachings, especially non-violence.
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I also endorse and believe Martin Luther King, Jr was a very great man. Historical in our society and did much to erase the racism which was prevalent in the 1960′s. (I was about 10 at the height of his protests, but could greatly admire his work none-the-less).
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But how the NAACP today, the current black leadership in Congress and people like you are perverting his message is nothing short of blasphemy in his face. He died for us, IQ53. He gave his life up so people would not attack others like you do everyday to me and any other conservatives who come on this site.
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You Sir, are a complete disgrace to King’s legacy. I hope you have the chance someday to talk it over with him in the hearafter. I’m guessing you will get a earfull.

It would be like me accusing all Baptists of agreeing with Fred Phelps.
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“I think that when people support you, it doesn’t mean that you support everything they say. Obviously, those words and those statements are statements that none of us would associate ourselves with, and I don’t believe that Senator Obama would support any of those, as well.” – Senator John McCain, on Hannity & Colmes, March 14, 2008

This is a real Man of Reason vs. Man of Faith moment for Glenn Beck. He will have to chose between his message of individual freedom of man’s mind and the mysticist/socialist ethics.

This could be a turning point for one of the big voices of rationalism on cable news.

I hope he is brave.

I dunno. I still think his “japanese are slime and I hope they all die in a nuclear blast” is still king.

Rusty, you talking about race is like Brittainy Spears writing a child-rearing book. Only dumber

Both Beck and the Christian group are deluded and toxically narcissistic. Conservatism and republicanism if analyzed in depth and in the context of depth psychology are revealed for what they are…politicized narcissism and co-dependency. There isn’t a shred of historical evidence to justify a belief in a Jesus or a bible. None. In fact, the contents of the bible were decided at the Council of Nicea in 325AD, presided over by Constantine, who had his own mother murdered. It is surprising and shocking what American culture holds to “truth”. These are merely culturally conditioned memes that we are all exposed to. A human being does not become a true authentic human being until that person has challenged and examined their every belief. Beck and Christianity are both toxic and bad for America and for human beings. Christianity is toxic and shame based to the core and teaches that the wrathful mythological g-d has to have his “wrath” appeased by the bloody barbaric death or the purported Jesus. What a farce. Only a shallow and inferior IQ could believe such shame based rubbish.

Let them both destroy each other and the shame based party of murder and war…the republican party of death and war and guns and fundamentalism. Only a shame based fearful idiot believes that he needs a gun in 21st century America. If you are so afraid and uncomfortable in your own neighborhood, perhaps it is time to move to a better neighborhood. Only idiots and cowards feel that they need guns

Glenn Beck and the likes of him are very good at putting on shows which target what their respective audiences want to hear. That’s is what people do who work in the showbiz world. MSNBC and Keith Olbermann do the same dam thing. As much as I hate Beck’s message, I find myself watching at times just to see what he is going to rant about next. It is interesting stuff, in a brain-candy Howard Sternish kind of way. God help anyone who thinks they are getting news.
If he had hot booby girls and say a farting contest every now and again it would even be better.

You are right, ohiolib. His reply to jcapan’s commentary is tops. It is the Gold Standard.
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He has not publicly wished for the extermination of all Black Americans.
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But you have to admit, it is one of his better examples.

As we all know Christ would be dissapointed in all making money off of his name, Beck, Palin, Ornsten (?) all those old 700 Club “ministers”. And based on Christ’s” renter unto Cesar ….” speach, he would also be a believer in the U.S.’s separation of church and state. Where that separation went is beyond me???? When I was growing up the Church and home were in charge of religion and morality and the government wasn’t. We all know from our experience with the middle east that the lack of separation is not what we should aspire to. So why don’t we all get both on our knees and pray more and help those in need (as Jesus did) and leave everyone else alone to their religion or not. And don’t forget that Beck, Palin, Ornsten, et al are in the business of fame and furtune, nothing more.

hiendurance, there are plenty of instances in which Jesus saved or preached about saving lives, so your CPR example does not qualify as a valid argument against the fact that there is not one instance in which Jesus used political means to bring about a spiritual end. CPR qualifies as something Jesus advocated, namely saving life. Using politics to achieve a spiritual goal is not something Jesus advocated, ever, in any way, and that is the point I am making.

Oh I think IQ53 and the rest of his wing-nuts have shed their clothes and are now exposing themselves in their true colors.
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I’ll say a prayer or two for you folks.

Why do people visit this site to brush up on their English skills?

newfreedomblog:
You called me a liar and asked me to prove my assertions with links to documentation. I appreciate your honesty and your challenge. It encourages me to believe that your opinion, although fiercely held, might be subject to change if you believed the facts I asserted are true. Given this fact, I decided to take you up on your challenge. I don’t have room in the comments section of this blog to properly respond (without dominating the comments) so I have posted a response, with links to documentation, on my personal blog. Here’s the link: http://www.mjevans.com/miscellaneous/glenn-beck-ayn-rand-and-social-justice . Comments are open (although moderated) if you want to share your opinion after reading the source materials.

nfb,
Great post! Right on! Power to the people!
(Funny how we can say that now and really mean it. The left wing radicals aka progressives aka Democrats never really wanted the power in the hands of people. It would prevent them from doing exactly what this regime and its Democrat gestapo are doing today.

“Christians!
Please behave! Not to mention the pollution the quality of bamboo is not Satan, then adults!
Satan adults of all good! All beautiful! All justice! All the light!
Satan adults is the creator of all things!
Satan is to deny deny a source of true love!
Is the denial of justice!”
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Mom?

So that means you follow Jesus’ teachings in your life but the moment you look at politics your not influenced by what his teachings anymore?

Rusty,
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Reading this I discovered you went out and did a victory dance and said that djt was admitting that he is wrong.
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Actually djt said that your choice of parable was strange since it said something very different.
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The parable said that there is a forgiving god who is generous to the needy and only demands that those who he is generous to not be stingy lest they will be judged by the stingy standards that they held other to.
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One could read that as to say that God gave luck and fortune generously to T Boon Pickens and that he will spend an eternity in hell for his being so stingy and right wing supporting tax cutters who cut back what is given to the poor for survival.
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For your argument to make sense is to say that all people receiving government benefits are like loan sharks to one another and lack generosity. There is no reason to believe that is so.
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So, if there is an argument that Christianity places limitations on generosity, you have not found it there.

Sorry, rusty.
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Rand was a believer that the weak minded majority needed a cause such as anti-communism and/or religion itself to keep a society focused by common enemies (Communism and Satan) to hold it together. Only the strong minded did Rand believe could handle atheism.
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I’ll grant her this, it was comfortable being a Catholic for 26 years, but, I am not going to call not going to any churches and not praying any kind of feat of mine. Rand would call herself superior for being an atheist. I do not.

Keep in mind that only two to three million out of three hundred million people listen to or watch Glen Beck.
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That is between one percent and two thirds of one percent.
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So, take your numbers and, to put it in terms o Glen Beck listeners and watchers instead of .03% of Americans, it would be between 3% (if it is three million watchers) and 4.5% (if it is two million watchers).
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Then take into account that these are only members of this group, not everybody who agrees with them.
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Take that into account and you will find that for every ten people who watch Glen Beck, as many as two of them are watching because they hate Glenn Beck and want to find out what their nemesis is doing.

“Power to the people!”
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Sorry, that is what Democrats say.
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Republicans say “Power to the Mega Corporations! Let them tell consumers, workers and small businesses what to do and how much they can earn!”
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Now that is, probably what you meant to say.

MLK died before my birth, but, while supporting a labor union strike while already being very clear in his opposition to the Vietnam War and in support of very, very liberal policies of Robert Kennedy (far more conservative than Nixon who was not as conservative in fiscal policy as Bill Clinton).
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So,saying that, had he lived today King would have been anything other than a very, very politically liberal man would be as dumb as saying if you dropped dead right now in forty two years people saying “if Rusty were alive now, he would soooooooo liberal”.
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King was far more liberal that Jimmy Carter and Reagan era Democrats. King’s politics today might be a little bit more conservative than Dennis Kucinich, but not too much so.

“I’ll say a prayer or two for you folks.”
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You insult 53_3′s intelligence and then say that you will pray for him.
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I believe the Knights Templar, after massacring large numbers of Muslims would pray for their hopeless souls right afterward.

Faithful America… really… global warming? Conspiracy theories and more…

Global warming does not exist. The world will not end until God wants it to end… and according to the book, he has that under control.

Now, being good stewards of the Earth he has given us? That is a different question. But like much of the garbage above, is how Faithful America thinks. Sorry… you are wrong. You sound good. You even have some good valid points, but wrong.

My opinion only, but anyone who believes everything Glenn Beck says is an idiot. Conversely, anyone who does not at least listen to what he says, to make up your own mind, is also an idiot. Do remember… it is comedy show… with fun facts to ponder. I do wish he wouldn’t step so close to the line, or in some cases, over the line.

After reading the above, I can say that this is more about politics than religion. But then, that is what was said at the top of the blog. Christians need to worry more about their eternal life than their political or social life. But then, our Faith will be known by our works. The key is: God first!

i grew up as a christian, went to church and bible school. i studied and read the bible. What people call christianity today bears little resemblence to the religion i grew up in. i had a crisis of faith at age 11.It took me years to find my religion again. i am now a heretic, heathen, witch. but make no mistake – i am very religious. i am also very sad that all the beauty and goodness of the religion of my youth seems to have vanished.When did Jesus and God become a weapon to prove one’s superiority and belittle your fellow man. The christian religion was a major influence in my life and taught me a great deal on how to be a good person. But what i see called christianity today is small and mean and selfish. Was Jesus’s suffering for naught.

Question #1: What do the words “faith-based” really mean?

Answer: They constitute a vague, catch-all phrase employed by an irreligious group of people who seek concensus at the expense of truth and individual freedom of choice.
They have an agenda founded on fear, ignorance, and misinformation.
Try to corner one of these “faith-based” minions and ask him or her what the word “faith” really means.

All roads do not lead to Rome, and neither do all idealogies- but censoring ideas and beliefs that make one uncomfortable WILL lead that individual to an intellectual, ethical, and spiritual dead end.

Question #2: Does a true Christian spend even a small portion of his or her time tearing down another person’s faith in God?

Answer: No. That is a job reserved for those who draw near to God with their lips, but whose hearts are far from Him.

Question #3: Does religious bigotry still exist in America?

Answer: Yes. Just ask Mr Huckabee about Mormons (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints).

Question #4: In a crowded room, how can you tell who the true racist is?

Answer: It’s the first person to accuse another of being racist.
In psychology, it’s called “projection.”
In politics, it’s called character assassination.
In the scriptures, it’s called a sin.

Religious Extremism
Grant Daniel MacDonald
Chairman of the Board
MACDONALD BANK INC.
Earned Getty Oil Company shareholders $4,000,000,000.

There is no scientific evidence to prove any of the cross related bogus elements of christianity. Civilization goes back 2,000,000 years — descending from apes; 1,996,000 years before the Greeks, Romans and the Jews and 1,998,000 years pre-dating the myth of christianity which is a mere 2010 years old. In the year 300 AD when Emperor Constantine, who to some was the first pope; went on to fabricate Christianity – a fantasy – which turned out to be one of the most hateful & evil concoctions ever perpetrated on the world.

I am the son of a catholic father who never went to church and a protestant mother who took us to church and Sunday school. Onward christian soldiers; I think not. Such absolute drivel. To be manipulated by a santa claus; an easter bunny and worst of all a bogus cross. One should appreciate each day of life and not expect another and if there is it might be given by a God of Love.

The Vatican basically supported Hitler and religion is responsible for more corruption and violence in the world. Pope Ratzinger was involved in the Nazi youth. The Pope with his blatant witchcraft related to the bible and its hateful beliefs; tries to rule with extreme prejudice against a world … that may fall victim to religions’ absolute evil. Many theologians state quite correctly that the birth; crucifixion; resurrection and other elements of christianity actually didn’t even happen! The pope is running a bigger fraud than Madoff’s $50 billion ripoff. Today’s evangelical extremists are like the nazis who cast others into ovens & are actually supremacists – who practice their bogus hocus pocus – and are trying to suppress and deprive others of their happiness and their legal rights in an open and proud society. Bring back the period when they threw the christians to the lions.

Einstein stated in a letter recently auctioned that the bible was a collection of primitive legends. He said believing in God was childish and he as a Jew is no different than another person and are not chosen by God. Do you want to be lambs at the slaughter or be wise and reject religious cultist manipulation? Mean & nasty; run by evil and bogus religious cults from Rome or wherever. Is this the world you want? The pope talks about ending prejudice and hate; what a hypocrite! Religion is a crutch for the insecure. Appreciate every day and if there is no tomorrow; then know that you were fortunate to have lived on this earth!

This bogus religious filth should be banned. It exists as a tax exempt structure which discriminates against human rights. The pope, bishops and mormons are cult members promoting discrimination against minorities. That bogus black book called the bible should be banned. Religion and the churches should now be exposed as a bigoted structure that gets away with hate mongering. Love between two guys or girls existed long before these cults existed. By enjoying their tax exempt status and benefits from the state it also puts them at the mercy of state; to be forced to adhere to the human rights laws. Religion is thriving like a cancerous growth on society that should be stopped in its tracks; outlawed & banned.

The Right Honourable Prime Minister of Canada Jean Chretien told the Vatican that there was to be no cross erected over the Canadian Parliament buildings figuratively speaking; when the Pope demanded the Prime Minister go against gay rights. An Alberta bishop had the audacity to say that The Canadian Prime Minister would go to hell for going against the church. Such outrageous evil threats. The Right Honourable Prime Minister in return; basically told the Pope to go to Hell! The Honourable Irwin Cotler, Canadian Minister of Justice, stood for equal rights for the gay community. With reference to protecting the children: The Honourable Hedy Fry, member of the Canadian Liberal Parliament, who happens to be a doctor who delivered many babies; spoke eloquently to defend the rights of babies being born and stated that she was in fact defending their rights by speaking on behalf of equal rights for the children and youth of the future — defending their integrity and dignity. Minority rights should be decided by a dignified judicial system and/or a compassionate government.

United States is supposedly fighting for democracy but within the U.S. they treat gays like secondary citizens. Being black or being gay is just as natural. If blacks or women’s rights were cast to the masses to decide … then the majority or lunatic fringe in this case — has the advantage to decide minority rights.

A great story pertains to a boy at a catholic school in Oshawa, Ontario who wanted to take his boyfriend to his school prom. The evil catholic school forbid this. A father of one of the boys is an employee with General Motors Canada and the courageous union leader Buzz Hargrove stood up for the boys’ rights. The boy took his case through the courts and because the evil catholic school was benefiting from government funding which demands equal rights void of discrimination; the judge ordered the school to allow the two young boys to attend together. Their limo arrived at their prom with adoring onlookers.

Tell them to take that cross and shove it where the sun don’t shine and pay their taxes along the way before they take that cross down forever with its final station; extinction. It is written; so therefore it shall be? We are the chosen people? Such a wicked fantasy. To see the religious lunatics manipulate government and our lives is shameful. To think of Matthew Shepard choking on his own blood after being savagely beaten; virtually sanctioned by the church is evil beyond comprehension; yet is the same as boys being bullied into suicide; most likely being supported by the bullies parents’ religious cults. Bigotry and hatemongering against gays should be banned.
It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return … it is something that should be celebrated! If it is between two guys or girls all the better. It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE!

My father fought at the front on D-Day in Normandy … through the Battle of the Scheldt to Germany and grandfather was a Sgt. Major at Vimy. My Dad who was a catholic — is alive today at 87 and doesn’t believe in santa claus — the easter bunny or any of that bogus cross related filth.

You know, I am sick and tired of the whiny-cons taking a comment Pres. Obama made during the campaign completely out of context and blowing it all out of proportion. True, in an exchange with Joe the Fake Plumber, Pres. Obama did say “you know, spread the wealth around”. But in its complete context, Mr. Obama wasn’t talking about the taking of income from one group to give to another. Mr. Obama was talking about giving small businesses access to loans. Joe complained how hard it was for small businesses to get loans. I am sure Mr. Obama meant to say (in context) “spread opportunity around”. Our president sometimes does not do extemporaneous dialogues very well. But to all the whiny-cons, go back and watch the complete exchange between Mr. Obama and Joe the Fake Plumber. You’ll see what I’m talking about. That’s the trouble with whiny-cons, republicons and teabag-heads: they watch too much Fox Noise, I mean, News. Hey, gang-baggers, it’s time to grow up and think for yourselves!

what the hell are you slobbering about?

moroni for morons.anything other than the king james version of the bible is poppycock

Yes PSartor it is Republicans who like to turn over power to corporate America. Republicans are basically behind anything that is corporate and corporate feeds their needs. In turn Republicans are rewarded for demonizing anyone who might question corporate behaviour in our communities and assist in removing any regulatory needs to mantain standards to protect U.S. citizens.

Corporate is great just as long as it behavior is in the best interest of the U.S. and its ctizens.

I like making a $dollar too. Free enterprise is the best economics for any country .

and how is Jesus running the flea market out of the temple political correctness?
Truth and politics are on the opposite ends of the spectrum. Truth is forever settled in Heaven.Politics is corruption.

There was a reason God forbid the Israelites to mingle with heathen.A supreme example is your idealism of bringing all religions together
GOD SAID “BE YE SEPERATE”.Why? To keep heathen and pagan beliefs from turning his people into a society like the one in America has become.
Saying it’s o.k. to believe as long as you believe in something is the furthest from the TRUTH”
why do you think we are seeing the muslim-arab rise and the fall of Christianity? Rebellion to Gods’ word.

Glen Beck has said some pretty outrageous things. I think it’s good these people are publically and loudly calling him out. At first glance, their message seems very reasonable. Maybe Mr. Beck will listen to what they have to say. I hope so.

Kevin – http://www.SoleraGroup.com

“rickd___”: “There is neither Greek nor Jew . . . but all are one in Christ Jesus.”

“Formerlyjames,” don’t watch the televangelists. They are mayflies. Read those who have been there longer: _The Imitation of Christ_, the Wesleys, _The Interior Castle_, _Pilgrim’s Progress_ (first _and_ second sections), and C. S. Lewis’s novel _Til We Have Faces_. Better yet, reread the Gospels and
Philippians and James. Nothing like ‘em.

Liar

All who call themselves Christians,in fact,couldn’t be further from the truth.
To be a Christian is to be Christ like. The scripture says “Ye shall know them by their fruits”.
It also says “Let GODS’ word be true and every man a liar” What does that mean? It means thus sayeth the WORD OF GOD. When folks start saying”i think”,i know it’s not something i want to waste my time on. Christians are to become more like God,not take a pervert the Gospel to fit their agenda.
If you refuse to go to church because of all the hypocrites you likely are one.
You go to church to worship God and hear truth. To be strengthened and find the will of God for your life.

to newfreedomblog
Anyone on the right or the other right that does not use Jesus” name is not a Christian to say the least. Those that mock or misuse Jesus ‘ name are setting themselves up for a horrific fall.
Keep up the good word.

.03 of one percent?
It took one mad lady less than that to get prayer taken out of schools and public places.
I agree with a lot that Beck has to say.However,i am wary of all his “Truth and goodwill” without including the author of it,Jesus Christ.

What’s that in English?

Now that’s telling it like it is.Amen brother !

Thank God there are others that haven’t been swallowed up in atheism and political b.s.

Thank God there are others that haven’t been swallowed up in atheism and political b.s.

You are correct.It is time to forget which leg one puts in his pants first,ect..All the left wants us to do is quarrel and not be able to put up a strong sensible defense against them.
They will use religion,civil rights,homosexuality, propaganda and anything else they can to derail our need and necessity to keep our nation from crumbling to the satanic falsehoods that are prevalent and all consuming to our established beliefs and truths.

Let Gods’ word be true and man a liar.

I disagree in you admitting to be a witch….I too was raised very strict. Was a volunteer chaplain at the county jail for several years. Helped many people.
When i went through my Gethsemane i seemed to have no help. I became bitter and resentful. I am hardcore in my beliefs and noone will take that from me.Even though i hesitate to sit in the pew next to those i feel deserted me,i do not blame God. I still believe in Truth.

If given the opportunity,perhaps someone,one day will put their arm around us and we will feel all the animosity and distrust melt away.

26.5 Rusty?
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Hell, since you are stating that what you said in 25.1 is true, and 26.3 dissects what you said, then, well, all I can do is thank you for leaving more low lying fruit showing that you are indeed a racist bent on fomenting racial hatred.
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All anyone has to do is look at your original statement at 25.1, my dissection of it at 26.3, and your admission and ownership of it at 26.5…

You will be judged at the White Throne of Judgement for those words.Yourself and McDonald who so profusely deny and mock God and his word,the Bible.
That you deny it so vehemently proves that it is real.

Rusty:
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Nothing like a deep sinner to bless me. Do you know the Ten Commandments?
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I do…

Remember that when someone kicks in your door and kills you and rapes your wife or daughter.
I knew of a preacher,a great man of God. Three assailants knocked on his door at church while he was praying and meditating. He opened the door to have a gun thrust in his face.Next they forced him to direct them to his home.Home where he had a wife and young children. En route he tried to flag down a police car.They blew his brains out. Yes,he saved his family,but they are without a father and husband.
Just remember,when all hell breaks loose,don’t call on a neighbor with a gun.Course you’d probably already turned him in for having one.

How true.

This country sho’ gone crazy! Only in America could you have Biblical illiterates attacking a heretic in the guise of protecting the tenets of the Christian faith! It is unfortunate that Glenn Beck is trapped in false religion, it is equally tragic that you have folks pretending to be true Christians warping the Gospel message.

Even tho’ I know I’m wasting my time I must say this:

#1. Would you admit that all religions are open to different interpretations from within their own set of believers let alone outsiders?

Yes?

Then do you agree that this has, thru the millennia, divided people and kept us apart, if not at each others throats.

Of course.

#2. In your own religion’s teaching I believe it is said, “The devil has many disguises, etc.”

Therefore, if you are going to believe in any of these Western theologies, don’t you have to ask yourself the extremely relevant question “could my own religion be the work of the devil?”

NEVER look into the abyss when you’re doing shrooms on a bad-hair day and the Jehovah Witnesses are pounding on your door and your sugar has dropped below 40. End times poetry is the result.

Ok, “Faithful America” is not respresentative of me. Go to their website http://www.faithfulamerica.org and see thier hatred speech. They state that the Tea Party is racist and hatemongering. I have been at multiple events in the past 2 years and never once has any person with the Tea Party even referred even in private about any thing racist. We have all forms of differnet ethnicities represented.

I see groups like this are puppets of the democrat machine to push their agenda. If you really want to know go to a local meeting and you will know better.

Glen Beck while not of my faith is not off. He is stating the godless agenda of socialism and progressive agenda for what it is.

The reason others do not like our county is that we are successful. As our country gets better all of the world benefits. Who do you think invented most of the technology that will make “Green Energy” possible.

It is intresting that “Faithful America” does not speak about actions of faithfulness such as actions to serve others. It is purely a polical website and should lose it’s nonprofit status.

“Rand developed an integrated philosophical system called “Objectivism.” Its essence is “the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute.”[91] Objectivism has been described pejoratively as “pseudophilosophy”.[92]

As an atheist who rejected faith as antithetical to reason, Rand embraced philosophical realism and opposed all forms of what what she regarded as mysticism and supernaturalism, including organized religion.[93] Rand wrote in her journals that Christianity was “the best kindergarten of communism possible.”[94] Rand also argued for rational egoism (rational self-interest), as the only proper guiding moral principle. The individual “must exist for his own sake,” she wrote in 1962, “neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself.”[95]

Rand held that laissez-faire capitalism is the only moral social system. Her political views were strongly individualist, anti-statist and anti-Communist. Rand was strongly opposed to many liberal and conservative politicians of her time, including prominent anti-Communists.[96][97] She rejected the libertarian movement,[98] although Jim Powell, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, considers Rand one of the three most important women (along with Rose Wilder Lane and Isabel Paterson) of modern American libertarianism.[99] Rand rejected anarcho-capitalism as “a contradiction in terms”, a point on which she has been criticized by self-avowed anarchist Objectivists.[100] Philosopher Chandran Kukathas said her “unremitting hostility towards the state and taxation sits inconsistently with a rejection of anarchism, and her attempts to resolve the difficulty are ill-thought out and unsystematic.”[101]”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand#Philosophy
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Rand was not a Christian at all.
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“Rand was born Alisa Zinov’yevna Rosenbaum (Russian: Алиса Зиновьевна Розенбаум) in 1905, to a bourgeois family living in Saint Petersburg. She was the eldest of the three daughters (Alisa, Natasha, and Nora) of Zinovy Zakharovich Rosenbaum and Anna Borisovna Rosenbaum, largely non-observant Jews.”
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The religion she was rejecting was Judaism without even contemplating Christianity as a valid concept.

Always brilliant 2/3rds brain.
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Idiot!

“Only idiots and cowards feel that they need guns.”
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Agreed.
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100% of all illegal guns in the US and many abroad were purchased legally in the US, sold illegally or, occasionally, stolen in a burglary.
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You have a far better chance of accidentally shooting your hungry teenage son who sneaks into the fridge for a snack at midnight than of killing an actual intruder while having a gun in your home.
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The fortunately very, very rare crime of home invasion is done by well organized criminals who use surprise as a weapon and have the whole family lying down on the floor ready to be tied up before they find your guns to be used in later crimes.
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Rick’s example of a church is even worse since even in places which have few gun restrictions forbid guns in schools and churches.
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So, the poor minister would have still been killed if he owned a gun since the gun would have been in his home, not at his church.
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However, with more tight control of guns, the low life who sold the church invaders (basically home invaders) guns would have been arrested for being an accomplice before the fact by selling these extremely awful people the guns they were using.
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In major urban areas such as NYC the police response time is about three to four minutes even in the worst neighborhoods (sometimes even shorter in the worst neighborhoods than in the good ones due to the placement of police patrols) and one loud yell for help would get half a dozen 9-1-1 calls from people within earshot of the scream for help.
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Maybe way out in the country where police response times are very slow a gun might be a good last resort, but, places usually crowded such as churches, bars, restaurants, concert halls and schools are never, under any circumstances a good place for being armed with so many potential people to be killed in the crossfire.

This is the reason above I do not not and never expect to belong to an atheist organization even though I am an atheist.
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That is, I am not an angry atheist.
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No religion has ever done me any harm and, except for the most radical extremes of Eric Robert Rudolph or Al Qada who choose to blow things and people up, I doubt it ever will cause me any harm.
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To me, religious texts are vague poems of what humans wish their creator to be and, with this, these writings can be seen as a command to dedicate one’s life to the neediest and most oppressed the way Mother Teresa did or used as an excuse to murder and steal, or, most likely, all of the places in between.
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If you read those books and say that you need to stop the government from helping the poor, then you are an a hole. If you read that book and open a charity for the needy and other disadvantaged, then I thank you.
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If you want to knock on a door and bring your joy of your faith to somebody, please don’t make it my door. I am just fine as an atheist and will never knock on other people’s doors to take away their Santa Clause, Easter Bunny or deities.

This article is so completely removed from reality. Please actually watch Glenn Beck if you are going to criticize, and do not do so in a baseless manner. The persons who wrote this must know nothing of Christian, particularly Protestant faith. Even the Pope condemns the philosophy of collective salvation. Faith is an individual act, not a community action depending on everyone. Ultimately, it is arguable that if everyone believes in God, then the community is saved — but that is indirect. One man among thousands, such as Lot in the times of Sodom, can change the tide of God’s action (if only briefly, as in this case) and of man’s interaction with God. Salvation is individual, and if you do not believe me, just ask Lot’s wife whom turned to a pillar of salt when she looked upon the sin and the resulting judgment of God. My ancestor William Perkins argued in predestination, that certain people are called by God (salvation) and others will always reject salvation and the word of God (reprobation). That is just the way it is. Not everyone can be saved, because they do not and will not choose to receive the blessing of salvation.
That is why in the Bible, the end judgment of God talks of separating the wheat from the tares, and consequences of being separated from God in a place of gnashing of teeth and suffering. This is not a pretty picture, and is not politically correct, but it is reality. This cannot be changed by wishing it away with political, socialistic, collective salvation.

In really simple terms, the ten commandments… Thou shalt not steal and also thou shall not covet. These two things imply a God given right of anyone to possess things, and conversely lets people know that there will be consequences if these principles are defied. Charity is not forced by government, but the act of generosity. You must read Luke 16:19-31, where the rich man goes to hell for not helping the poor, suffering Lazarus. The point to this story is that generosity is a PERSONAL CHOICE, not a collective government forced action. Salvation is a personal choice. Kindness is a personal choice. Suffering is also a personal choice. Charity comes from the heart. When someone takes something from you, and it is not given freely, but by requirement, that is not charity. This act denies the grace of God, and would have us REQUIRE it instead. “Very blasphemous this train of thought is”, Yoda might say, were he a prophet or follower of God.

Nicely put.

Here’s the song Rusty and wingnuts hear in their worst nightmares:
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No, no plans for a revolution. It’s just been a fantasy of the poor in this country for generations.

At our house we have no problems with Glenn Beck’s religion – we’re grateful for all the information he’s given us.

We draw closer to God when we thank Him. God’s will be done!
‎”7 I shall give thanks to You with uprightness of heart, When I learn Your righteous judgments.” Psalm 119:7 NASB

The Church shouldn’t be about the business of deciding State policy in any way, because the methods and aims of the State are not, or at least should not be, the aims and methods of Christianity. The State depends on coercion and violence and rules through a hierarchy of power that keeps those with the exclusive use of force and violence on top, glorifies its Presidents, generals, and other powerful agents and presents itself as the source of all good and all authority. Even when the State does things like social welfare it uses them as a means of controlling the poor. Even Marx recognized the role of State-run welfare in controlling and corralling the masses; that role has only increased. The State’s attempts to make us ‘be good’ involve constant surveillance, the creation of fear and anxiety, and intrusion into every aspect of our lives. When we violate the State’s rules and regulations we are faced with physical violence, physical incarceration, and the expropriation of money.

I could now cite a Gospel passage to counter every thing on that list of how the State operates, but that would take a while. Needless to say, those methods and goals are not the methods and goals that Christ expounded and urged upon His followers. The Church- when she is not collaborating or depending upon a monarchy or State or other entity- does not use those methods, and her goals are different. The Kingdom of God is not won through the ways of this world.

Both Beck and his opponents in the social justice movement tend to misunderstand these things. They’re both, I think, very impassioned and well-meaning people, in their own ways, who believe that they are advancing the Kingdom of God and making the world a better place. But the Kingdom does not come through the violence and anger of this world, of our unpurified hearts. It can’t! My anger, our collective anger and rage will not bring the Kingdom, will not feed the poor, will not save the world. The Church cannot be in the business of determining social policy, she cannot be a cheerleader for the wars of the State- including America’s wars- and she must always, always, have the Cross of Christ at her center, and not the flags of nation-states or banners of political movements, left or right. Otherwise we are just another group scrambling for a piece of the pie, resorting to the sanctioned violence of politics and the actions of the State. There is nothing Christian or noble in that, no matter how well intentioned our ends may be.

Mormons are not Christians. It would be a similar mistake to call a Muslim or Jew– a Christian. As one compares the Koran, The Old Testament, and The Book of Mormon, it is overwhelmingly clear Islam and Judaism are much closer to Christianity than Mormonism. Mormons refer to themselves as Christians in order to place themselves in a more mainstream light within the world’s perspective, but nonetheless, Mormons remain a cult. At present, it is the primary goal for the Mormon Church to ally itself with evangelical, as well as mainline Christianity. The Mormon Church will accomplish many more of their goals as more and more Christians observe Mormons as their allies working toward the same “Christian” goals and objectives. What evangelicals and other Christians fail to recognize is Mormons are working toward Mormonism as the state religion, period. Read The Book of Mormon. Decide for yourself if Mormonism is Christianity. Evangelicals, you are beseeched to educate yourselves and make a very conscious choice about whether or not you really and truly desire a state religion to govern your lives and the lives of your great grandchildren. And, be very careful what you ask for… You just might get it and what’s more, given the current birth rates, it won’t be ‘your’ particular religion governing your country. (comment penned by person: reared southern baptist by secular jews with mormon relatives. i worked in saudi arabia and studied islam and arabic at university.)