The DADT Survey

The survey the Department of Defense is giving to 400,000 service members about “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” is now online. Read it here.

The questions in the survey ask respondents to answer 32 pages of questions that include whether they know of gays serving in the military with them, how they feel repealing DADT would affect morale and even how they would react if they had to share an “open bay shower” with a gay service member. On his Twitter feed, ABC News’s Jake Tapper noted that while the Obama Administration has said DADT will be repealed, the survey questions are phrased with “if”s, as in:

“If Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is repealed and you are working with a Service member in your immediate unit who has said he or she is gay or lesbian, how would that affect your ability to fulfill your mission in combat?

An organization that advocates for gay and lesbians in the military, Servicemembers United, is not a fan of the survey design, saying in a statement on its web site that it’s “biased and derogatory.” The group’s executive director, discharged under the current policy, is quoted in the statement saying”

“The Defense Department just shot itself in the foot by releasing such a flawed survey to 400,000 servicemembers, and it did so at an outrageous cost to taxpayers.

…Flawed aspects of the survey include the unnecessary use of terms that are known to be inflamatory and bias-inducing in social science research, such as the clinical term ‘homosexual;’ an overwhelming focus on the potential negative aspects of repeal and little or no inclusion of the potential positive aspects of repeal or the negative aspects of the current policy; the repeated and unusual suggestion that a co-worker or leader might need to ‘discuss’ appropriate behavior and conduct with gay and lesbian troops; and more.”

Results of the survey will be presented to Presidents Obama and top military leaders later this year.

Related Topics: dadt, department of defense, don't ask don't tell, military, obama, Uncategorized
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  • nflfoghorn

    Al-Qaida’s shooting at you and you ask your combat buddy, “are you gay? If you are I’d prefer a straight guy in the foxhole, thank you very much.”
    .
    Toe-dipping of the highest order, that survey.

  • http://www.stevebeste.com Steve Beste

    Fake DADT Survey Q :: Has any servicemember ever asked if you wanted your muffins stuffed? Do you?

  • deconstructiva

    Kate, is anonymity guaranteed while taking this? If military computers are used, for example, tracking addresses / times, etc. could be possible (or on any comp. though we can delete our files easier). If there’s any fear of “telling” when you’re not supposed to, how will that slant the results? Thanks for your thoughts.
    .
    …speaking of thoughts, will you, Jay, and other teammates get some payment / cut of subscription money earned for stories imprisoned moved behind new paywall? If you’ll get paid by page hits like Gawker used to do, hopefully this post will bring out the gay-bashing right wing nut jobs who plague this site unmoderated conservative dissenters and drive up the thread count. (I hope you and Jay have a drinking contest on who gets most comments today.) Dinner for you next week on Rusty! Bon appetit, Kate, and have a good weekend.

  • Kate Pickert

    Ha! No, we are not getting a cut of paywall-generated profits.

  • grape_crush

    Perhaps we should ask the Joint Chiefs to create another survey to assess troop morale with respect to being in Iraq and Afghanistan?

    I mean, as long as the Joint Chiefs are polling military personnel about policy decisions made by civilian governance…

  • Paul-no not that one

    No kidding.
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    This new “policy by polling” for the military is something else.
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    I wonder why Truman didn’t think of that?

  • deconstructiva

    Aw, too bad. It would be great to see you, Jay, Barbara, Stephen G., Katy S., and friends / colleagues receive well-earned bonus money for your excellent work.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Flawed aspects of the survey include the unnecessary use of terms that are known to be inflamatory and bias-inducing in social science research, such as the clinical term ‘homosexual;”

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    We have all of these service men and women fighting two wars, and the left worries the most if a survey is written in terms that are or are not known to be inflamatory or bias. Excuse me?
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    This has to be the epitome of Political Correctness. A service man or woman is asked to put their life on the line and out of respect, homosexuals should have enough decency, self esteem and respect for our military to not push this through at this time.
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    Don’t they have enough to worry about right now?

  • sgb235

    Haven’t they ever heard of statistical sampling? There’s no need to survey 400,000 people about anything. Closer to 4,000 would most likely be sufficient, depending on how finely grained they wanted the results to be.

  • ohiolibb

    Good point. I’d worry a lot more about being with a racist slimeball such as yourself.

  • grape_crush

    A service man or woman is asked to put their life on the line and out of respect…
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    A soldier who is gay is asked to put his or her life on the line, and out of respect, we shouldn’t treat them as a second-class citizen when they get back home, freedumblog.
    .
    We’ve heard this lame argument before. From a now-declassified Navy document:

    “SUBJECT: Enlistment of men of colored race in other than messman branch…
    .
    …In this hour of national crisis, it is much more important that we have the full-hearted cooperation fo the thirty million white southern Americans than that we satisfy the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People…”

    http://dont.stanford.edu/regulations/hereck%20j.pdf

  • nflfoghorn

    PNNTO @ 4.1: “The [rhyming word] stops here.”

  • 11charlie

    “The questions in the survey ask respondents to answer 32 pages of questions that include whether they know of gays serving in the military with them, how they feel repealing DADT would affect morale and even how they would react if they had to share an “open bay shower” with a gay service member.”
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    How repealing DADT would affect morale? I’m guessing not as bad as having to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan two or three times.
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    And sharing open bay showers? This is imporant to ask because why? Are there soldiers scared that they might get sodomized while showering?
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    Gays ARE serving in the military, deal with it. Let them continue to serve, without having to hide who they are.

  • http://fsplanningrule.wordpress.com jhenceroth

    The questions about sharing shower facilities are absurd and insulting.

    Are we to assume that gays and lesbians cannot control themselves in a room with other naked people (and if this is the case, why do we not see more instances of sex/rape in public shower facilities in gyms)?

    Those questions play to the base fears of the aging leaders and congressman in Washington that every gay person automatically wants to have sex with every individual they see and has no control over their actions. It is despicable and insulting to the millions of out gay, lesbian and bisexual Americans. As one myself, I am appalled.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    As usual, with two wars to fight and nowhere near enough volunteers, needing every person we can get including those who have already announced their homosexuality you miss the fact that the wording of surveys can determine the outcome of surveys and create a false objection.
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    The military is making a standard American flaw: presuming that the US will not have experiences extremely similar to or identical to those of other countries.
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    In other countries their eighteen year olds like ours (and how I felt at eighteen myself) thought that they would not be willing to serve with gays. When the laws changed and they discovered that they already were working with some gays and lesbians, the issue melted away.
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    We need to win these wars. False objections reducing the number of potential soldiers will not help our country win.

  • newfreedomblog

    Are we to assume that gays and lesbians cannot control themselves in a room with other naked people (and if this is the case, why do we not see more instances of sex/rape in public shower facilities in gyms)?

    .
    Did you mean to exclude bathhouses?

  • newfreedomblog

    I guess since closing GITMO is a non-starter seeing how the “One” can’t get that job accomplished, now we will put society’s pressures on the military. Just what they need now in the middle of two wars.
    .
    Yes we can, America. Yes we can count on our liberal Americans to really go for the meat and potatos of all the really important issues.
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    Jobs………Zilch
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    Economy ………..In the toilet
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    Banking, buyouts and bailouts……….Step right up we are giving free tax payer dollars away, it’s called “Obama money”.
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    Catch 10 spies, get 3 back……..Foreign policy at it’s finest.
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    Racist thugs who beat up on unsuspecting voters…..”Oh they were black and we cannot press charges against a black person for voter intimadation”.
    .
    Oil Spill……………..Day 81 and counting, what do we have? Lots and lots of dead birds, fishermen out of work, about 1200 miles of beaches which are empty at the peak of summer activites, and a President who plays golf and basketball for a living.
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    Yea, who is running the country into a ditch again, Mr President?

  • square1

    Is it safe? A post NOT about Sarah “LeBron” Palin?

  • merlanai

    Though I partially agree with you, that it is absurd and insulting to insinuate that gay and lesbians can’t control themselves in a public shower, I do believe the question belongs in the survey. The survey wouldn’t be doing it’s job if it wasn’t in there. It’s supposed to be judging military readiness. If an overwhelming number of personnel respond negatively to this question, the military is not “ready” for don’t ask don’t tell to be repealed. I don’t necessarily agree with allowing a survey to determine this issue, but it is an appropriate question for the stated purpose of the survey.

  • ohiolibb

    Even after his own words prove him a racist, rustyblog is still posting. How he can show his face here is beyond me.

  • apr2563

    In other words, newrusty, you are saying just shut up and fight. Even though they are fighting for freedom, gays should not expect their rights to be respected until some future time. If the gay service member has a significant other and they are killed in battle, their mate has no rights. But that’s ok. They died making newrusty happy by not asking for their pesky rights.

  • apr2563

    When did the military start polling the troops? Maybe they will poll whether they want to fight in Kandahar, when do they want to come home, should McChrystle have been fired, and do you want to fight next to Blackwater?

  • apr2563

    Paul, beautifully said.

  • grape_crush

    How he can show his face here is beyond me.
    .
    He’s getting the attention he craves; it makes him feel more important than he really is…So he spouts out whatever hateful, stupid crap he wants – with no consequence – and revels in the feedback, even if it’s negative.
    .
    It’s pathetic and sad that rustyblog needs self-validation that badly.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Safe, yes. Inspiring, apparently not. I count 73 comments on today’s other posts. 195 and counting on SP. I’m starting to get the sneaking suspicion that I’m coming to the wrong corner of the internets.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Here is the problem with the surveys:
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    Are heterosexual 18 year olds somewhat uncomfortable around gays?
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    Yes.
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    Are they even more uncomfortable when they are in extremely close quarters with one?
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    Yes.
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    Is the idea of being in an open shower with gay men a very disturbing thought to an eighteen year old heterosexual?
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    Yes.
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    But, this is what we have to learn from other countries:
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    When gays join, do they seek out heterosexual men?
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    No.
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    Do they rape heterosexual men?
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    No.
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    Do they behave differently outside of going to gay bars to get laid when off duty or on leave?
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    No.
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    So, I can tell you myself that, unless attitudes in the past 20 years of teenage and early college age young men has changed very dramatically that the survey will tell you that the opening up of the armed forces will not happen.
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    Change the laws and take the survey afterward and your answers will be 100% different than if you ask the soldiers beforehand.

  • shepherdwong

    “A service man or woman is asked to put their life on the line and out of respect, homosexuals should have enough decency, self esteem and respect for our military to not push this through at this time.”
    .
    So they’re fighting for our freedom, unless you’re gay.

  • shepherdwong

    “I count 73 comments on today’s other posts. 195 and counting on SP”
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    146 of them are only silly p!ssing contests between our resident wingers and the otherwise sane commenters who take some pleasure p!ssing on them, usually without them noticing that they’re all wet.

  • nflfoghorn

    or stinky ;)

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    So, 50 productive comments? Sounds like a lot of fun, sorting through all that dung for diamonds. I know, good exchanges can take place even amidst sh!tstorms, but it’s happening less and less these days.

  • formerlyjames

    I never received such surveys during my military service and it strikes me as absurd. As others have pointed out, homosexuals (forgive my “clinical” term, but I find the term “gay” to be deficient) do now and always have served in the military. That about says it all and all that needs to be said. End the homosexual bashing. Violations of others rights by heterosexuals or homosexuals or other sexuals are provided for by rules, regulations and statutes that exist. Some people see problems where none exist.

  • apollyon07

    “homosexuals…do now and always have served in the military”
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    This. I remember asking my uncle (veteran of both the Iraq wars) what he thought about Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, and he said it didn’t make too much of a difference to him, because there are definitely gays in the military whether we like it or not.

  • 1steve2

    newfreedomblog: go change your tampon.

  • 1steve2

    Or
    lindsey Lohans fingernails

  • 1steve2

    that would be too democratic

  • 1steve2

    I look for your comments because I know they’re gonna be so stupid, so childish, so poorly concieved and executed that I’ll have lots of fun with them.I’m perfectly willing to engage in meaningful conversations on an adult level…..anyway, back to newfreedomblog AKA sameoldcrapbolg.

  • http://bogartreporter.wordpress.com The Bogart Reporter

    Kate,
    are you allowed to respond to questions concerning your article here?
    This is the first time i’ve ever payed attention to the fact you have a comment on your own swampland post.
    It would certainly be very helpful and worthwhile to read articles and here feedback from the same person…

    -Daniel

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
    .
    You are really knowledgeable about Gays. Have you been using the Don’t Tell approach here on Swampland?
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    That would explain why you are still single at age 40.
    .
    Patrick, I want you to know that I have nothing against Gays. I do in fact favor Civil Unions with all the benefits that married heterosexual couples get.
    .
    You really should not be afraid to come out of the closet. More people your age are doing it ever day.

  • kbanginmotown

    @decon: Love you, girl, but your optimism astounds me…
    .
    I imagine Kate, Jay and Michael waiting for a cut of the profits at their ice-cold lemonade stand on a 40-degree day. ;-)
    .
    (Joe, ever the shrewd one, has cooked up a batch of hot-cocoa, which he is peddling while it’s 98 degrees in the shade in Detroit….)

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks kbang, but I’m just one of those guys who tries to stay upbeat during tough times (sorry for that correction, sigh, but don’t tell rusty; I enjoy his confusions on everything). I can imagine Michael Scherer running a Mike’s Hard Lemonade stand like the tv commercial and substituting “Katy” for “Cheryl”. M’s HL is just an average drink, though. A well-made Tom Collins is much better. For limeade-like drink, try a caipirnha.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
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    LOL
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    Absolutely not!
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    I’ve spent my adult life in Boston and NYC. Maybe in Toledo gays are in the closet, but in NYC there is no need to be.
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    In sales related work, the best thing to have is a different angel than anybody else. If you are a religious Christian as most commercial real estate agents are Jewish in New York, you network through your church. As an overwhelming majority of us in commercial real estate are heterosexual, a gay man could network through the gay community and make some serious money.
    .
    I was thinking of joining Mensa, an organization for people who have an IQ over 135 both for real estate networking and how to find a bright woman I will be happy with.
    .
    Think this over 3X, why would any extroverted person be in the closet if they were gay in NYC or Boston?
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    I am single now because I did have a very hard time making a good income and no responsible man expects to either live off of his wife’s income nor make use of welfare.
    .
    Yes, I am somewhat insulted by your question because, as I said before, if I were gay I wouldn’t act all heterosexual. If I were gay, damn it, I would be the gayest gay that ever gayed!
    .
    So, you’ve not only accused me of being gay, you’ve accused me of doing it poorly.
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    I don’t do things poorly.
    .
    As for marriage and fatherhood, being poor, as I had been struggling not long ago, would be doing a poor job of fatherhood.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “You are really knowledgeable about Gays.”
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    I drove a taxi in Boston and New York and saw every walk of life, including right wingers.
    .
    I know this about gays: they know better than to bother heterosexual men and can figure out from about thirty feet that I am not one of them.

  • newfreedomblog

    Even after his own words prove him a racist, rustyblog is still posting. How he can show his face here is beyond me.

    .
    What was proven libby? Nada, zilch, nothing. Nothing but a bunch of liberals who have their panties all in a bunch because someone on here tells the truth for a change. Truth does matter.
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    It’s pathetic and sad that rustyblog needs self-validation that badly.

    .
    Yes the pathetic way that the majority of liberals on this site use racism as their only weapon to attack someone on the right. Those same liberals who during the recent health care debate, carried a big mallet across the Capitol lawn not only enticing the crowds to stop them, but openly and on purpose taunted those great people who were protesting and challenging them. You see grapey, Americans DO have the right to speak up, they DO have the right to make their opinions and ideas heard. Just because you do not agree with them, does not provide you with a license to cry foul when no foul was committed. .
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    Grow up 3rd grader, it’s time to move on to the 4th grade.
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    newfreedomblog: go change your tampon.

    .
    As yet another typical liberal response. Does anyone wonder why the liberals in this country will soon be voted out of office. Their snide, off-handed remarks are all the same. All the same because everyone knows they are wrong. Those of us who are fighting so vehemently against them, know we are right, and we shall once and forever overcome. When you have the truth on your side, everything else is nothing but hot air.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Case in point:
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    In 2006 I was driving cab in NYC on the day side (5 am to 5 pm) while going through the processing of the NYPD where I was planning on joining.
    .
    It was a quiet Saturday morning and I stopped by a Diner in Chelsea – one of about three neighborhoods with a large gay population.
    .
    Inside there were mostly couples of men and women – nothing out of the ordinary.
    .
    With twelve hour workdays and sitting in cab all day, how do you look good? You don’t. If you drive a cab, you look like a slob.
    .
    I sat down at the counter, quickly figured out what I wanted and looked up waiting impatiently for the waiter.
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    The waiter and the cook were talking to each other in high pitched tones and affected mannerisms almost like a South Park version of gay people.
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    The waiter looks over to me. The grin falls off of his face, he straightens his posture and lowers his voice two octaves and says “what can I get you, dude?”
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    It was like he changed orientation within a heartbeat.
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    I am glad to know that most in the gay community are fluent in heterosexual.
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    So, this is what I know about gays: they know with a strong degree of accuracy who is one of their and who is not and, if they believe it is in their best interest to, behave much differently when not around other gays.
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    There are plenty of other examples, but when this waiter went from acting like a caricature of a flamboyant gay to calling me “dude” in less than two seconds, it is the best example I can think of.
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    Your truly politically correct types would say that it was bad since the waiter had to change his behavior in hopes of getting a better tip. Personally, I think if everybody learns to adapt to situations by behaving accordingly that is the best.

  • ohiolibb

    Actually, rustyblog, your own words prove that you’re racist. You know, that whole rant where you referred the Japanese race as slime and hoped for their nuclear annihilation? Do you want for me to repaste it here? Yes, rusty, that’s PROVEN. By your own words. Or do you really need someone to explain to you what racism is and how you met it?

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
    .
    Don’t be so thin skinned. What you choose to do in your private life is your right. If you want to stay in the closet that’s also your right. This isn’t Saudi Arabia. You don’t have to worry about your sexual choices. This is a free country. At least for a little while yet.
    .

  • kevin

    Nice job proving you don’t need the attention, Rustyearl3xfreep.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
    .
    You’re really annoying.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
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    Maybe, if you want me to prove what my orientation is, I can have sex with your daughter. You said you had daughters near my age.

  • textee

    The military-hating dumb @ss in the White House, as a sop to his military-hating, fringe base, will require all United States military commanders to conduct regular, so-called “Gay Pride” parades on every American military installation with all service members required to march along in drag. Obama will declare that said, so-called “Gay Pride” parades promote the fighting effectiveness of the United States military. As another bone to his military-hating, fringe base, will Obama also require all members of the United States military, while marching in said, so-called “Gay Pride” parades, to participate in the Democrat party’s favorite activity, to wit: so-called “tea bagging”?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    With endless references to gay sex, why do I think that it is Textee who is our next Larry Craig?

  • ohiolibb

    Freep’s more likely. Remember how he referred to us as “limp-dicks” a day or two ago?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Remember how he referred to us as “limp-dicks” a day or two ago?”
    .
    No, I did miss that one with such a barrage of stupidity from him I didn’t notice that he likes other males erections.

  • ohiolibb

    Here you go.
    -
    Talk about you limp-dick arguments but then that synonymous with a liberal.
    So I guess he technically called our arguments limp-dicked.
    at 4:23 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/07/08/morning-must-reads-angst/
    -
    And now we just got
    -
    His daughter would be safe because seeing pictures of you it is easily determined you sex life is as limp as your arguments. You know tinsel di*k
    -
    The more he posts, the more he looks like a repressed gay guy. Or just seriously effed up.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    He likes big, black men.
    .
    I guess this is another one of those moments in life where it is to my advantage being white.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I am very comforted to know that you do not find me sexy, Freeinpa.

    ==
    A college dropout, fat loser and now delusional. What a pathetic life you have”

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/07/10/this-recurring-dream/#ixzz0tOaUH16J
    .
    If I am delusional in believing that he does not think I am sexy….
    .
    It looks like being white won’t save me from Freeinpa having a gay crush on me.
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    Sorry, but, I am far more disgusted than flattered.

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