Romney v. Obama Cont’d. Can the Center Hold?

What you’re seeing, it seems to me, is a struggle between the GOP’s old-guard national security center and an resurgent, post-Iraq hawkish right wing–one that also includes Sarah Palin. The ambitious national politicians are driving the party’s agenda to places the seasoned experts don’t think it should go.
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That is too kind.
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What we are seeing is a Republican Party devoid of adults. There are maybe two or three elected Republicans left who come from the pre-insane era, Lugar the most notable. The entire rest of the party, from Tea Partiers waving signs up to leaders like Boehner, Palin, and Beck, contains nothing but fact-free talking points and cultural resentment. It’s true on START, it’s true on health insurance, it’s true on taxes, it’s true on every single issue.
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The Democratic Party is a cautious, centrist party. The GOP is a tantrum. The center can only hold as long as this version of the GOP doesn’t reassert control.

What we’re seeing is a struggle between people who know what they’re talking about, and people who are opportunistic idiots.

It ain’t much of a struggle. We’re watching opportunistic idiots bury/ignore the tiny handful of rational people left in the party.

Seconded. What a sad commentary on the state of this country that nonsense like this could be treated with anything other than the scorn and derision it deserves.

Michael Crowley asserts: “Now comes Richard Lugar, the Indiana Republican senator who is the ranking member on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and another one of his party’s most respected foreign policy voices.”

Richard Luger? “[O]ne of his party’s most respected foreign policy voices”? “[R]espected by whom? Leftists like Michael Crowley.

Memo for the foolish: Anytime any political activist at Time magazine, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, A-Mess-NBC, the New York Times-Democrat, the Washington Post-Democrat, the Associated (with terrorists) Press, et al., claims that a Republican is “respected” that means that the alleged, so-called “Republican” is “respected” only by the author and other like-minded leftists in the Washington/New York/American/Arab press corps.

Lest you forget, the nonsene has Miss Prissy’s seal of approval. And, apparently, that of #3 below.

Or should I say (w/respect to Rochrist) #2.

You have short memories or you are a biased journalist with the integrity of a used car salesman. Sorry to all you used car salesmen, that was an insult. These days major media are alone at the bottom of the heap of the least respected groups in our society.

You have eight years during the Bush administration bashing the “old heads” of the Republican party for everything including a foreign policy that resulted in foreigners not liking us. Now Romney has the balls to call Obama’s weakness a loss for America’s security and you side with the same flunkies you have been bashing. If the goal of reasonable arms limitations is to maintain enough power to keep the peace and this treaty undermines that goal, at least the media centers where you hide in your miserable, arrogant, manipulative and lying jobs will be among the first casualties if the unthinkable ever happens. Try reporting the news, we are all tired of your self serving opinions. In November the people will decide who is respected and who goes home to pout. Too bad we can’t vote you out too.

Ditto Elvis’ noting of Lugar. I also miss Chuck Hagel. You know, the anti-McCain. The guy who didn’t whore out every single decent thing he once believed so he could fasten his grandpa-a$s onto the Oval Office swivel chair.

Again the euphemisms: Romnoid bases “his critique in ‘misreadings and myths’” and “repeats discredited objections.” IOW, he’s a f@cking liar.

“Romney said the START treaty is President Obama’s ‘worst foreign policy mistake yet’ and should not be ratified….”

Uh huh, doubling down in Afghanistan pales in comparison.

“What you’re seeing, it seems to me, is a struggle between the GOP’s old-guard national security center and an resurgent, post-Iraq hawkish right wing–one that also includes Sarah Palin. The ambitious national politicians are driving the party’s agenda to places the seasoned experts don’t think it should go.”

Agreed but the old guard is still Israel’s BFF and dedicated to an empire that’s bankrupting the nation. OTOH, extremists in the GOP seem to have concluded that the only way to sufficiently distract the nation from the ruling class’ destruction of the American dream is to actively strive for WWIII.

…sooo, Richard Lugar is a leftist. You, sir, live in an alternative universe….

http://www.salon.com/entertainment/comics/this_modern_world/2006/07/03/tomo/index1.html

..WWIII?….I have family members who laugh about that when we discuss the current day GOP. But when your response to every little dustup is to rattle the sabre, to see everything in Manichean terms, yeah, it could happen. And about 45% of the populace is buying into it. Scarey, ain’t it?

Hmm, that link is behaving weirdly for me, let’s go with this one instead:
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http://www.thismodernworld.com/arc/2006/TMW07-05-06colorlowrescopy.jpg

Lugar now?
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Why am I not surprised?
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The elections are closing in, and the desperate efforts by the GOP to dig themselves a big enough hole to hold ‘em all continues apace…

Taibbi’s seminal piece on the peasant mentality springs to mind. But when the other party lacks a coherent or compelling counter-narrative to explain why it is that Americans are, how shall I put this delicately, totally f@cked. When dem party leaders see corporate partnerships (deals with the devil) as the best way FWD, when there are trillions for unnecessary/counterproductive wars but no chump-change for the “small people” suffering through a rec/depression, or a real jobs bill, well, naturally, you can see where this is heading.
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November 2010 “Fear the reaper”

This is a resurgence of McCarthyism, Bircherism, racism, and reactionary conservatism. The use of fear to gain power has been around a long time. The Republicans have used this method for sometime. However, they always overplay their hand.
Just don’t dring water with floride (boo).

I think you meant to say, in JaMarcus Russell language, “drank.”

“However, they always overplay their hand”
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True, but reread The Grapes of Wrath–if these haters gain power, an ever expanding population of less fortunate Americans is going to suffer for a very long time before the pendulum swings back. On a more positive note, in 2020 maybe we’ll get an FDR in lieu of a centrist.

Textee:

I’ve seen some rather unhinged rants before about the “lamestream media” ( a Tea Partier’s idea of clever wordplay) but this is the first time I’ve seen anyone attacking the Associated Press. And for what? Referring to Sen. Lugar as “respected”? Just because he’s not respected by you doesn’t mean he’s not respected by others. Or are you just objecting to the use of adjectives in news stories?

PS: That reference to the New York/Washington/American/Arab press corp is just too cute for words.

PPS: That splashing sound you’re hearing is the drool on your keryboard.

What you’re seeing, it seems to me, is a struggle between the folks who noticed how fun and profitable startintg unecessary wars could be and those who still want to live in the world that results.

Best. Comic. Ever.

“…an resurgent, post-Iraq hawkish right wing–one that also includes Sarah Palin.”?
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The terms you are conspicuously avoiding (and which, BTW, actually tell your readers the unvarnished truth) are “radical” and “extreme”. And, in the case of Romney, here are a couple more: “lying opportunist”.

“I also miss Chuck Hagel.”
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Quite possibly the last honest Republican.

Ditto Mega’s sentiment.

“Vote for Ugg” is the best TMW.

2007/TMW10-24-07colorlowrescopy.jpg

Let’s not forget that the Boehner, Palin, Angle and Beck’s of this country, know exactly what they are doing, who they are appealing to and who they are counting on not to be paying attention. And most of the latter don’t read and or pay attention to political news.

What ever happened to Sen. Chuck Hagel (RINO, France)? Is Hagel still running around with Sen. Fairy Reid (Moron, Nevada) exclaiming that the “civil war” (i.e., non-civil war) in Iraq is “lost” (i.e., the Americans won)? I don’t think Hagel will ever recover, mentally or emotionally, from Saddam Hussein’s execution. That really, really affected Hagel to the bone. The poor fool ….

Richard Luger? “[O]ne of his party’s most respected foreign policy voices”? “[R]espected by whom? Leftists like Michael Crowley.
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I’d say his fellow Republicans respect him as a foreign policy voice, seeing how the last two times they controlled the Senate, they decided to make him the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and thereby their leading voice on foreign policy.
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Of course, I live on Planet Earth, so I’m sure I saw things differently than you did. Maybe you think the GOP made Lugar the committee chairman because they didn’t respect his foreign policy chops. Or they were blackmailed by the Maoists at the Food Network or something.

A Digby commenter just alerted me this priceless riff:

“And we know that as disappointed as we might be in Barack Obama – in his little failings, in his petty slights, in his odd betrayals, in his unseemly habit of dancing naked through the streets of Oslo smeared with the blood and entrails of Afghan children – we also know that the alternative would be far worse. Why, with a Republican president, we might be at war with Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and possibly Iran, or facing some hideously draconian corporatist scheme to compel poor people to buy private insurance they can’t afford, with a government that not only excuses the torture regimes of the past but dramatically expands them while giving itself license to murder anyone it likes anywhere on the planet. With Barack Obama, on the other hand, we have all that plus a man who can sparkle wittily on late night television. Now, I think that has to be worth at least a couple thousand dead Muslims, don’t you?”

http://fafblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/mule-variations.html

Brilliant commentary skinair02.
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“Try reporting the news, we are all tired of your self serving opinions. In November the people will decide who is respected and who goes home to pout. Too bad we can’t vote you out too.”

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Partly, TIME.com and their bevy of blowhards who they deem “journalists” are competing with the likes over at Huff-puffpost, MedialiesMatters, and Daily quota of Crap Kos. You see on those extremist sites not any different than Stormfront is for the right, lie and spread garbage all over the internet.
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Thankfully folks like you come onto this site to expose them for the frauds they truly are. Most refreshing indeed.
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We may not get to vote the reporters and journalists out of here, but we can get people to stop buying their magazine by pointing out their media bias towards most all thing liberal.

Textee did it again.
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“Fairy Reid”.
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Apparently you desperately fear that if you had one thought in your head that was anything other than right wing Republican propaganda you would spontaneously engage in anal sex with another man.
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Reid, like a huge majority of Democrats including myself are very much heterosexual.
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Mittenz, your buddy, ran on gay rights platform when he was running for governor of Massachusetts. So, maybe you should distance yourself from him, too.
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You were on a roll, textee. You had at least ten consecutive entries without entering your favorite topic of homosexual men.
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You do seem to have some pretty serious issues there, textee.

Oh why stop at that jcapan. Throw in some of the eugenics “priceless riff” you so dearly love and promote. That should do the trick for you.
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Round up all the dumb, illiterate stupid conservatives, bring out your Nazi gas chambers you miss from the by gone days, and have at it. That is the liberal way is it not? Don’t be so hard on Obama, he sees how bad it looks politically right now and is doing a Bill Clinton move to the center ala 1996.
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What type of Utopian world would you and your little Digby friend like to see? One like this instead?
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“You have to remember that, in the case of the Glenn Beck conservative wing (a group of people who make the Dittoheads look like Quakers), you are dealing with a crazy salad of stupid people (and let’s quit excusing them as “low information voters”…they’re dumbsh!ts), lunatics, a$sholes, racists, political performance artists, opportunists, and the kind of people who make eugenics seem desirable if not downright necessary.

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So said jcapan 7/8/10 in a swampland comment.
Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/07/08/morning-must-reads-angst/#comments#ixzz0t8S7JA89

apr,
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You are getting to be a bigger loon by the day. Your mind is warped.

“Reid, like a huge majority of Democrats including myself are very much heterosexual.”
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Thanks for clearing that up. “Very much” hetero is particularly inspiring.

I am so looking foreword to November when liberals lose big and climb back into their caves for another 40 years.
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The Liberals on swampland are some of the biggest Loons in the world.

Rusty,
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I am so glad that you now admit that people are talking about you when they bring up, “Glenn Beck conservative wing (a group of people who make the Dittoheads look like Quakers), you are dealing with a crazy salad of stupid people (and let’s quit excusing them as “low information voters”…they’re dumbsh!ts), lunatics, a$sholes, racists, political performance artists, opportunists…”
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How’s your sleeping white giant doing?
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BTW: please don’t bring back my “threat” to debate you until you back up what you say with some facts or just stop saying unfounded moronic things again. I know facts and being told that you should make sense make you crap all over yourself, but, it is by no means anything resembling a threat against your person, even though you are a self identified Glenn Beck conservative wing (a group of people who make the Dittoheads look like Quakers), part of a a crazy salad of stupid people (who we must quit excusing you as “low information voters”since you’re a dumbsh!t), lunatic, a$shole, racists, political performance artist, opportunist.
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I am so glad that you are honest with yourself.
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If you keep up at this rate, they may let you out of the asylum before your grandchildren marry.

3X,
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I’ll be happy to make the bet you did with Sacred so long as you tack your offline time on top of what you promised sacred.
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If Republicans get a majority in either house, I will go offline for three months. If they get a majority in both houses, I will go offline for six months. However, if they do not get the majority in either house, you have to promise to, in addition to what your promised Sacred, go offline for seven months.
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Deal?

So said jcapan 7/8/10 in a swampland comment.
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No, I didn’t. I was quoting TBogg.
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How this relates to what I just posted above is beyond me. But it is amusing that you failed to include your enlightened response:
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“Was it your Grandfather jcapan who held Hirohito’s bowel movements in awe, after he took an imperial crap as the nuclear bomb exploded over Nagaski?
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Yes jcapan, you have SO much to brag about, so very much. You are simply lucky the soldiers in WWII defeated the slime we call Japanese or you would be eating kraut with the Nazis today. Worshipping Hitler as the great savior. Maybe Kim Jong Il will blow you off the map finally, finish the job that should have been completed 60 years ago. I certainly hope he does.”
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Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/09/10/calling-them-out/#comment-9488#ixzz0t8Wn0hBS
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I believe Sept. 2009 was the last time I wasted my time responding to you. You may want to consult Lawyermommy about the whole bipolar thing.

I think “sanity” or “normal” might be better words than “center” to question what might disappear, if the tea bagging Palins are actually elected. Can sanity hold against Romney’s view of foreign policy? Are there enough sane people to stop the rolling fog of ignorance championed by the tea baggers?

Can reason hold against ignorance?

“the rolling fog of ignorance”
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I really like this line. I’m visualizing John Carpenter’s version with a million little Fox TV screens rolling into Nor-Cal.

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I think that this time, fortunately, they no longer have an actual viable enemy such as communism to fight they will only go so far before the American people will just look at these people and see how incredibly unreasonable that they are.
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3X,
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What were you doing in the 1950s? Something tell me that you were out there on your bicycle patrolling the neighborhoods of Toledo for Communists on behalf of the John Birch Society.

“Round up all the dumb, illiterate stupid conservatives, bring out your Nazi gas chambers you miss from the by gone days, and have at it. That is the liberal way is it not?”
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It’s really more of a fascist thing (see also: right-wing authoritarian following). Though, you should probably lose the right to vote for like a generation, based strictly on your past choices. And I’m not taking re-education camps off the table.
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http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

Democrats may be in danger of losing one of their most important supporter groups.
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It looks like a lot of women are moving away from Obama.
The following video might be of interest to you Liberals.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39488.html
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Romney would make a great President and man could we use his Business Expertise right now.
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Obama has the least amount of business experience of any President in our countries history.

jcapan:
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I’m beginning to think that Rusty really likes these spankings.
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Just like freeinpa…

Just thought I might point out that Rusty made several other racist statements, but the archive doesn’t seem to go that far back. 3/9/2009 was as far back as I could get.
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He’s a true Grandmaster of hate…

I guess the “very much” would imply, that I don’t use mouse in my hair, don’t always shave and, sometimes, don’t brush my teeth.

There are no numbers in that entire article, 3X!
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You have no evidence that more women are voting for Republicans than they did before and, remember, with more than 50% of the voters in America being women, never did a dramatic majority of women support one party over another. There always have been Republican women.
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You wasted our time again, 3X.

It looks like a lot of women are moving away from Obama.
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It looks like you’re pulling data out of your a$$. Again.
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Women didn’t flock to Palin the last time she ran, and now that her general approval numbers are in the toilet, even fewer will rally around her. But again — I beg you to make her your nominee.
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Or Romney. I’d love to see him explain how his form of health care reform with an individual mandate was totally different from Obama’s.

apr,
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You are getting to be a bigger loon by the day. Your mind is warped.

Why am I not surprised? The senile SOB that decries the state of discourse here in the Swamp yet again fails to notice the glass shattering all around him. You spend all your time here calling anyone that isn’t a right wing nutter a “loon”, “loser” or some other derogatory term and you have the stones to decry the state of discourse gramps? Talk about tone deaf and dumb.
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BTW, get off my lawn!

Oh my, I do believe I touched a nerve.
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But, mr jcapan, just because you put in quotation marks a racist remark someone else said and you stated you agreed with, doesn’t separate you from what was said and typed from your very own keyboard.
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I’d be careful who you quote next time, especially from those far left liberal extremist sites.
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Good try none the less. It’s been enjoyable!

This Glenn Beck, Rusty?
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http://newsone.com/obama/casey-gane-mccalla/glenn-beck-ruthlessly-mocks-11-year-old-malia-obama/

“But, mr jcapan, just because you put in quotation marks a racist remark someone else said and you stated you agreed with, doesn’t separate you from what was said and typed from your very own keyboard.”
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Ummm. Rusty. Rusty!
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Nevermind. sigh
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Thump
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Oh, well
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I was trying to get your attention before you walked into that wall…

The business of America is business. Except when it’s not. Better go check out W’s business acumen. It is as ugly as his administration turned out to be. Romney can’t figure out where he stands. Punching at air won’t work, but he keeps trying.

I was previously unaware of the inverse correlation between heterosexuality and the brushing of teeth.

Was it your Grandfather jcapan who held Hirohito’s bowel movements in awe, after he took an imperial crap as the nuclear bomb exploded over Nagaski?
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I think I’ve tried to find this particular quote before, because it’s such a great example of rusty’s viewpoint.
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So I’m glad this could flare up again.
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The fact that rusty thinks jcapan comes from Japan is the stupid cherry on top of the Racism Sundae.
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Simply exquisite.

Chuck Hagel, Tom Osborne, and Don Stenberg are the only honest Republicans we have left in Nebraska that I can think of. Maybe throw in Hal Daub
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You think Ben Nelson is bad, you didn’t want the blithering idiot whackjob who ran against him in 2006 in the Senate. He was the male version of Sarah Palin.
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Hopefully, joining the blue state-dominated Big Ten will have a positive effect on my fellow Huskers.

Normally, I blow off your silly rants as either from someone looking for a flame war, or it’s just because you’ve been out in the sun for too long. After all, anyone who accuses ESPN of being part of the liberal media can’t be taken too seriously. But now I’m ticked.
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Chuck Hagel is more of an American than you’ll ever be. He has bled for our country, and has given more back more than you ever will.
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In short, textee, blow it out your a$$, d-bag.

11charlie:

Did you hear one of the “questions” asked of Lebron James by ESPN and Jim Gray tonight? James was set to announce where he was going, and Jim Gray asked James about ………… Barack Obama!

Jim Gray and the rest of ESPN would get on their knees before Obama as quickly as Time magazine’s Nina Burleigh would get on her knees before Boy Clinton. http://www.mrc.org/press/1998/press19980706.asp

Pull your head out of your fourth point of contact, 11charlie, and you’ll be able to recognize what you are hearing on ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN Classic, ESPN News, ….

11 Bravo

“Romney approaches the treaty’s fine print with the attitude of a Cold War hawk, i.e. that the Russians are nefarious enemies who should be treated with extreme mistrust.”
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I think the chickenhawks are losing their touch.
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I haven’t heard or read one of them use “Chamberlain”, “Munich”, or “appeasement” anywhere. Anyone else?
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Interestingly enough, during my searching I did come across this article that Glenn Greenwald wrote back in 2006 about the right wing’s reaction to the 1987 INF Treaty. You know, the one Reagan signed.
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http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/08/chamberlainappeasement-cliche_31.html

Wow, a question about Barack Obama, now I’m convinced. Unfortunately, I wasn’t drawn into the whole Lebron pagentry like you were. I watch ESPN for sports and sports news, not political news.
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And how does ESPN Classic espouse a left-leaing view? They only show old games that feature teams from blue states? They only show highlights of minority and women players? Explain how.
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I guess the heat at Benning did get to your brain, bullet stopper.

Paging MIA-Zech! Seems like GG is channeling Chomsky here:

“With the Nasr firing, here we find yet again exposed the central lie of American establishment journalism: that opinion-free ‘objectivity’ is possible, required, and the governing rule. The exact opposite is true: very strong opinions are not only permitted but required. They just have to be the right opinions: the official, approved ones”

“We may not get to vote the reporters and journalists out of here, but we can get people to stop buying their magazine by pointing out their media bias towards most all thing liberal.”
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Rusty, I think your ability to do anything about anything is hampered by your burgeoning ego.

Patrick,
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You should really watch tghe video.

Romney, you lies

Nixon was the one who falled in love with the communist China… followed by Bush Sr. He got choked while enjoying state dinner with China officals, remember?

George W Bush was the one madly in love with Russia:
- “I looked the man in the eye. I was able to get a sense of his soul”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1392791.stm

The fact is that G0Ps these days are just a bunch of business people who’s willing to put their earning benefits on top of national security…. but keep talking tough and lie to their teeth.

nflfoghorn: I did mean drink.
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jcpan: Having lived through the 50s and 60s, I saw what the right did to this country by spreading fear to gain power. It is never productive.
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Thank the lord Eisenhower was moderate enough to fend off most of the fear mongers of the day. Also, with reporters like Murrow, we had some that would speak up. Not many. Most of the press was dominated by conservatives. We had some brave pols that took on the reactionaries, often at their peril. There were military people who tried to warn us that our embrace of Chiang Ki Shek was going to doom China.
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There had to be a convergence of people no longer believing the lies and leaders strong enough to open their eyes. It cycled back to where we are now. Hopefully, we will find another convergence that will lead us not just back to sanity but on a path that actually leads us forward.

Newrusty: I hope you have taken advantage of Elmer Gantry, Lonesome Rhodes, Glen Beck University. Why, for only $10.00 a month you can enroll in this academy of higer learning and be exposed to the most misinformed propogandists on the right. You will not have to worry about enlightenment or actual learning. Don’t worry about intelligent debate. All that will be asked of you is that you keep the money coming in (the university links to a campus store) and echo the talking points.
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Next Beck will start a church with a crucifix that features him as a victim of the leftists. Of course, he will need to keep the collection plates circulating. It isn’t cheap being a prophet and messiah to the right wing masses and to bring in converts. For an additional $10.00 a month, you too can be an apostle.
And, statues of Beck will actually cry on demand. With any luck we will see the manifestation of stigmata to encourage donations.

Senior moment corrections:
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propagandists

3x: I challenge you to continue your comments for 1 month without using the word loon.

Yes, Palin protects her children like a grizzlie momma protects her cubs. Then she goes out and shoots some of those dang grizzlies.

11charlie: Here you go…
From our friends at Citizen’s United
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/07/obama-cast-as-neville-cha_n_637581.html
Obama, reincarnation of Chamberlain.
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According to the right, Obama has more personalities than Sybil. He embodies Hiltler, Goebbels, Stalin, Lenin, Malcolm X, Chamberlain, Mao, Petain, Waldo, Mickey Mouse, Betty Boop, and on and on.

These are the people that keep Mary Matlin employed and reporting on the oil disaster in the Gulf. They never point out her closeness to the oil companies number one man, Dick Cheney. The hypocrisy overwhelms.

James was set to announce where he was going, and Jim Gray asked James about ………… Barack Obama!
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Man, I hate to respond to textee, I really do, but LeBron was on Larry King tonight (and before you ask why I was watching Larry King, I was at the gym. It was either King or Hannity, and Hannity was b*tching about Lindsey Lohan).
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Which, to get back to textee’s point, doesn’t prove that we have a leftist media, it proves that we have a thoroughly godawful media.
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Why is ESPN asking a basketball player about Obama? Why is CNN wasting an entire hour on what team a basketball player is going to join next?
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I’ve decided that cable news isn’t retarded. It’s far worse than that – it’s designed to make its viewers mentally handicapped.
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So I guess what I’m saying is, don’t watch too much CNN or you’ll get infected with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.

3X,
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First, women do not vote dramatically different than men. There is a slight lead for Republicans among men and a slight lead for Democrats among women.
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Second, for two years now I have been very unimpressed with everything Sarah Palin has said or done.
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Third, the only Sarah Palin related video I liked so far was the one I posted of a fake Sarah Palin twenty years younger than the real thing taking her clothes off.
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So, unless you promise me a stripper who looks like a younger version of Sarah Palin, then I promise you that I will continue to be un-entertained.

“the Russians are nefarious enemies who should be treated with extreme mistrust”

No, they are your allies in the “war-that-will-not-end-in-our-lifetimes”. Remember?

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/gentlemans-agreement/

glorious: textee’s living in an alternate universe is not news

Ah, I knew someone would.

literally makes me sick to read that TBogg “crazy salad” comment jcapan (and company) endorses, and newfreedom’s initial response. If you just switched “Glen Beck conservative wing” for something leftist, it could have easily been spoken by just about any of the regular Fox News enthusiasts here.
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it’s that awful belief that the views you think are so ignorant are necessarily part of their proponents’ unchangeable natures so that solutions like nuking them into oblivion (the lovers of violence) or forcibly breeding them out of society (eugenicists) can actually begin to look reasonable
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it may be the foolish romanticism of youth, but 2/3 of my purpose in spending all my free-time learning about everyone’s political views is to be able to bring a just a tiny bit of peace to my corner of this world by supporting some basic mutual understanding.

“what can man do against such reckless hate?” – Theoden of Rohan

Well said Elvis. The Republicans are actually self destructing.They misread voter frustration as Republican support when it’s just anger at the incumbants. American demagraphics are being transformed and the Republicans are too hide bound to change and adapt.America is best served by a viable two party system and right now it aint happening.They’ll gain strength come November but then they’ll be on the hot seat with no strategy just the tactics of divide and conquer and obstructionism.Then comes 2012 and they’re gonna have their heads handed to them.

Not to change the subject but to shepardwong: Two wongs don’t make a white. Gotta love it man.

…To sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!

Your mother!

blah blah blah.You’re your own worst enemy fool.

Your post was too convaluted to decipher,go change your tampon and give it another shot sis.

They probubly read the funnies….

ah….what?