Feds to Sue Arizona Over Immigration Law – UPDATE

Let’s say no State can regulate the sale or ownership of guns but Montana has the right to shoot Canadians on sight… as long as each police officer and concerned gun owner is given the pamphlet “Three Sure Fire Ways of Identifying a Canadian and How to Get the Drop on Them… for Dummies”. The logic dovetails perfectly. I don’t know why the Feds are even bothering.

It doesn’t merely allow such questioning by local law enforcement, it mandates it. On the other hand, there’s a loophole to opt out if it’s considered not practical. Given that the law is basically an unfunded mandate that doesn’t shield officers from lawsuits, I predict the loophole to be used heavily in the field.

You realize of course, spob would be in there in a flash to point out the fact that white people would be subject to racial profiling.
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I would have to add, just betwoon moo and yee, I would be compelled to agree with him…

Wouldn’t it be easier and cheaper to simply give Arizona back to Mexico? If Mexico was hesitant about accepting the Arizonans (and who could blame them), we could throw in Texas as added incentive to seal the deal.

Ffred is apparently trying to spread as much disinfo as Time usually does. It does shield cops from lawsuits, and the first part can’t be mandatory if there’s an opt-out.
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As for what patriotic Americans can do about this, hold every Democrat politician responsible for what the Obama admin is doing. Force them to take a stand, and then work against those Dems who won’t agree to, for instance, publicly demand that the DOJ drops the suit.
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Also, run the Obama admin, the Democrats, the ACLU, and the Mexican government together in peoples’ minds: make people think of them as one entity. What you’ll never hear from Time Magazine is that the ACLU is directly collaborating with the Mexican government, and that government has now been allowed to support the ACLU’s suit against AZ.
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The Obama admin, the Democrats, the ACLU, and the Mexican government are all working towards the same goal, and this is a great opportunity to discredit the first three and reduce their power.

kattest, 40% of the illegal immigrants in this country came here legally and overstayed their VISAs.
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Are you as passionate about going after them as you are those who cross the border illegally in AZ?
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Or is there some other, bold-texted, reason for your passion on this issue?

“The Obama admin, the Democrats, the ACLU, and the Mexican government are all working towards the same goal, and this is a great opportunity to discredit the first three and reduce their power”
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I suppose the Republicans would then rule over the fourth?
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What did W do to fix immigration anyway? Oh that’s right — nothing.

FTW!
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Dan, I’ve debated with you before on another issue, but, when you’re right, you’re right!

“t the ACLU is directly collaborating with the Mexican government,”
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The San Diego chapter of the ACLU is collaborating with Comision Nacional de Derechos Humanos, which is NOT a branch of, or organization within, the Mexican government.
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If you’re trying drum up anger by attempting to pit people against each other via ethnic, nativist, or political divides, at least get your facts straight.

Equal protection under the law is, absolutely, what the constitution is all about.

Being given a tax incentive to get health care is not against the constitution.

Being harassed by law enforcement without probable cause is what this country forbids.

Yes, our dear founding fathers – so lied about by the conservatives – had to deal with English soldiers harassing colonists at random. There is no doubt that had they lived today and accepted (which, unfortunately they did not) the equality of all people of all races and ethnicitys, they would be smiling upon our Justice Department today.

“If Mexico was hesitant about accepting the Arizonans (and who could blame them), we could throw in Texas as added incentive to seal the deal.”
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Toss Utah into the mix and we have a winner.

@kattest: You’re right that the law stipulates that enforcement agencies cover reasonable expenses including attorney fees in case the officer is sued. Somehow I don’t find that very reassuring given the financial condition of the cities in AZ right now.

This is just Obama throwing another bone to his fringe, Amerca-hating base, in this case the illegal alien lobby. Obama’s media arm (i.e., the Washington/New York/American/Arab press corps) will just eat it up (e.g., this Time magazine post). Snoooooooozzzzzze.

We’re still awaiting ESPN Classic’s impact in all this.

And, in other news…
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“El Pasoans React To City Hall Shooting
Martina Valverde-KFOX Morning News Traffic Reporter
Posted: 3:16 am MDT June 30, 2010
Updated: 3:57 am MDT June 30, 2010

EL PASO, Texas — Stray bullets hit the west side of the City Hall building on the ninth floor Tuesday morning. El Paso Police said one bullet made its way inside the office of one of the assistant city managers. No one was injured, but some El Pasoans said it hit too close too home.

A report of a shooting at City Hall came in just before 5 p.m. Helicopters circled the building as police began their investigation.

At the same time, Mexican officials were dealing with their own shooting at Avenida Norzagaray and Cloro, which is about 3 miles from City Hall. A Mexican federal agent was gunned down along with an innocent bystander.

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Google “El Paso Shooting” once. You get reems of notations of shooting events in this border town.
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While Rome burns, Hitler-esque, Barack “the insane” Obama attacks Az which passed legislation which mirrors exactly Federal Legislation.
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What do liberal scream? “Racist”!! “Racist”!!! “Profiling”!! “Profiling”!!!
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Give me a break. The law is not un-consitutional, it is an attempt to push this ineffective President into doing his job, protecting the citizens of this country from attacks originating across our border into our own country.
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It puts pressure on the ineffective Congress in Washington which is derelict in it’s duty to pass comprehensive immigration reform laws and to secure our borders once and for all. BOTH Republicans and Democrats are equally guilty on this issue. Both Republicans and Democrats have equally walked away from this issue in hopes they might get a few hispanic votes.
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This country was built and survives because of LEGAL immigration. It will be destroyed by illegal immigration.

100% spot on kattest

Hmmm… texas oil reserves…. texas education system…. oil…. education…

You sure know how to make a choice tough on people!

nflfoghorn:

How long will it take ESPN Classic, in the name of “multiculturalism”, “tolerance”, “diversity”, “we are the world”, “it takes a village”, “can’t we all just get along” crap, to feature a wall-to-wall, 24-hour marathon of NBA games where the teams wear their “Los Mavs”, “Los Suns”, “Los Spurs”, etc., jerseys with fawning, half-time “interviews” (i.e., campaign commericals funded by ESPN) with Obama?

Darn that Stuart Scott
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Don’t forget Los Marlins. And I take it you don’t care for the programming it runs during Black History Month either.

m0mentom0ri is, of course, an idiot.
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1. There’s nothing I’ve ever said or written that would give anyone even a suspicion that I thought overstays should be ignored.
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2. You can read about the group that the ACLU is collaborating with here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Human_Rights_Commission_%28Mexico%29
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They’re “independent” in the same sense that the NIH or NEA are.

…but you’ll be happy to know that the National (FL) won’t be putting “Los Cardinals” or “Los Dolphins” on jerseys anytime soon.

Over six years ago, I reported on how the Bush guest worker plan would be “open to any type of employee”, including “nurses, teachers”. The Bush scheme would have reduced pay in many middle-class jobs to world levels.
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Where were the Democrats then? I spent some time trying to get Dem-oriented blogs and forums to come out against Bush’s plan, and none did so. Odd!

Nobody is claiming that there is not an extremely large crime problem in Mexico, but, instead, arguing to you that forcing grandma Maria pulled over for leaving her right signal going for two miles since she is 80 years old and, if she lacks the proper paperwork on her person jailing her is going to do more than make grandma Maria miserable.
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Individuals are only to be held responsible for their own actions and not the actions of people who share a common ancestry with them or look vaguely like people with that common ancestry.
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Do you want to be held responsible for every white criminal who ever lived?
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Then why even bother connecting the crimes of the few who are not necessarily the ones who will get pulled over and harassed with the majority of the people?

I think we should just call Textee El Loco from now on.
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Wouldn’t that be profiling???

That is likely true. People, however, look to the executive branch to lead them, not Congress. If W wanted to push reform he had a wide-open oppurtunity to do so (GOP was in the majority for six of his eight years). He chose to focus on ‘reforming’ Iraq instead.

1) Nor have you, or any of your right-wing ilk, ever mentioned using the USVISIT data to go after overstayed VISAs. Nor, for that matter, have I seen anyone on your side who wants to go after the businesses that hire illegals. Your efforts all seem very focused on one specific group of illegals.

2) From your wiki link: “It was not until 1999, after some constitutional reforms, that the National Human Rights Commission became fully independent of the government”.

You can call me an idiot, if it brings you comfort. Name-calling is a fine way to demonstrate maturity, if not so great a way to win an argument.

Here ya go Rusty.
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http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/05/two_ohio_men_blamed_for_shooti.html
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Based on you previous logic, does this mean you’re in favor of banning militia groups?

Here is IQ53 preference for Head of Immigration

http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2010/07/06/new-black-panther-king-samir-shabazz-youre-going-to-have-to-kill-some-crackers-youre-going-to-have-to-kill-their-babies-video-transcript/

The left only likes profiling by the IRS and when it involves rich white people.

“Nor have you, or any of your right-wing ilk, ever mentioned using the USVISIT data to go after overstayed VISAs”

An illegal is an illegal. Only the left splits short hairs over the difference, which is none.

Rev JIm is at comedy again

Being given a tax incentive to get health care is not against the constitution.

Fines are not tax incentives!
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Being harassed by law enforcement without probable cause is what this country forbids.

You mean like the circus hearings the Demos have been running or Clinton having the IRS audit conservative 501 (c)3s. Or keeping a boot on the throat of a company operating legally in this country like BP?

“but, instead, arguing to you that forcing grandma Maria pulled over for leaving her right signal going for two miles since she is 80 years old and, if she lacks the proper paperwork on her person jailing her is going to do more than make grandma Maria miserable.”

Yes why don’t you list more ridiculous reasons that grandma might get pulled over. If she makes a turn, that is opposite of her signal that has been on for two miles and runs somebody over is that ok to deport her? Or should we give her taxpayer paid legal counsel and free room and board at the crossbar hotel

m0mentom0ri: please stop lying.
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I’ve been covering the wider issue since 2002 in literally thousands of posts, and I and many others have consistently pointed out specific companies trying to profit from illegal activity. You’re too much of a partisan hack to have noticed, and too much of an integrity-challenged liar to have done even basic searches at my site.
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Click here to visit my site where I concentrate on immigration and politics. There are several search methods in the sidebar, and searching for the names of various companies, banks, and industries will bring up a wealth of information.
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Remember this: m0mentom0ri is just a lying partisan hack.

Google search results for “kattest swampland comprehensive immigration reform”
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4 results, 2 of which are this post, the other two don’t involve kattest.
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“Remember this: m0mentom0ri is just a lying partisan hack.”
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This coming from someone who started the day bashing the ACLU, Time magazine, and anyone else who’s not a nativist. I hereby admit and confess that I lean left. I make no attempt to hide it. Can you say the same, or does pretending you’re not a right-winger make you feel like your right-wing arguments will go over better?

“Rev JIm is at comedy again

Being given a tax incentive to get health care is not against the constitution.

Fines are not tax incentives!”
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Fines are issued if and only if it is proven you have done something wrong or have failed to fulfill a requirement.
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Taxes went up and, if businesses want to pay their previous amount of tax they have to buy health care for their employees.
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That is a tax incentive.
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How else could a tax incentive be affordable.
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That is, unless, you believe that it is unconstitutional that I am being “fined” for not being married “fined” for not having children and “fined” for not owning a house.
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Since I shall be a husband, father and home owner in the future, I do not wish to change the law, but, if you want to give back all of the tax credits you received for being married, owning a home and having a child, go ahead and write that check uncle sam for us.

Race baiting again, freeinpa?
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Oh, well, not today, thank you. Sun is shining, temp 72F, wind SSE at 4, grass is green and the sky is blue. You’ll have to find someone else to spank you.
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Hard…

“Yes why don’t you list more ridiculous reasons that grandma might get pulled over.”
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Small town cops are chronically bored and in nearly every state it is both an offense to drive with your signal on when not turning and probable cause for pulling somebody over for drunk driving.
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If a 30 year old is driving slowly with a signal going for over a mile, then the odds are fairly high that he is fairly high or drunk – DUI.
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Nobody is questioning the existing laws which deport people here legally or illegally if they get convicted of a crime. The issue is are police going to annoy people who look like immigrants and, from a few hundred feet away, where the pursuit may begin, grandma Maria does not look like any particular age but will, clearly, have a particular skin color.

“The Bush scheme would have reduced pay in many middle-class jobs to world levels.”
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Well, there’s something I can go for!
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Give tax permanent tax cuts to the rich and have working mans’ income cut by half or more.
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What a farking deal! Why can they just double my interest on my home loan, too. Or, hell, why stop there. Why not just surgically remove everyone’s left eye? Damn. How about just let HCICs run rampant and raise their premiums by 100 or 200 percent?
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Maybe just settle for a beating? Oh well, at least we’d all have a job.
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And a life expectancy of 46 years…

“The left only likes profiling by the IRS and when it involves rich white people.”
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So, you think the IRS should try and look for people making $35,000 a year to try and find $20,000 to $50,000 in unpaid taxes that year rather than the family making $210,000 a year?
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Hey, while we’re at it, why don’t we stop looking for drugs in neighborhoods know for drug activity and, instead, look for drugs in Mormon communities?
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The IRS is looking for the big cheaters – not white more often than black as far as I know unless you have some valid statistics to explain why you are the poor little oppressed ones.
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LOL!
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Freeper bringing in facts!
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That will be the day!

Wow. The nutzis are out in force, today.
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We have Rusty, of all people, pontificating on race (7)
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kattest123 comes up with zany conspiracies (2.1)
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freeinpa is defending BP again (5.1)
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I just cant say enough how glad I am that the weather out here has finally turned nice. Good weather, a dip in the pool, and more ironic chuckles than a…

Well have you there to defend us, freeinpa when they start looking for illegal Cnidarians, er, I mean, Canadians that have literally leapt across the border to take care of our “real world” middle class wages!
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What joy…

BTW, patrick:
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Don’t respond to any email unless I tell you here that I’ve sent one.

“Race baiting again”

No I let that to the professionals like you and this administration. I was merely pointing out facts that you scrupulously avoid as has the MSM.

But I am sure you will continue to go on (ad nauseum) about your vast knowledge in this area all the while avoiding the truth of the matter. The biggest racists in the country today remain on the left.

The issue is are police going to annoy people who look like immigrants and, from a few hundred feet away, where the pursuit may begin, grandma Maria does not look like any particular age but will, clearly, have a particular skin color.
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You see sartor, you miss the entire point of the AZ legislation. You assume America’s finest in their police uniforms are interpreting the law and somehow have read in it, “illegal immigrants” are hispanic”, isn’t that right sartor? You assume that all policemen and women are bad bad people, who are racists and will throw the book at anyone of color, isn’t that right sartor?
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Why do you think so little of our men and women in the police force?
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If I were driving in AZ, with my turn signal on for over two miles, I would hope that a good officer would pull me over and explain my mistake to me.
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He might even question me on my heritage, and mistake me for a Lithuanian here in this country over staying my visa. He would have every right under the AZ law to ask me for my proof of citizenship. If I were indeed an illegal from Lithuania, then as a citizen of the USA, I would expect him to report such an individual to ICE and have them deported for violation of our LAW.
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We are despite our liberals friends interpretation from time to time a nation of LAWS. We are as a nation due to these laws pledging ourselves to protect and defend the constitution which contains those laws. Right or wrong, if you break the law, then you should be not only jailed, you should be deported immediately if you are found to be in this country illegally.
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Slam dunk.

Well, freeinpa, I think I’m pretty safe in saying that my 40 years in the Black community trumps anything you have.
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But hell, you got Rush to tell you everythings’ ok…

Rusty,
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You got us all there with all of those people crossing the Arizona border from Lithuania, Tanzania and Sweden, they will be looking for the undocumented from all ethnic groups equally. Clearly, with that kind of geography the issue of the undocumented was equally about those naughty Swedes and wild Tanzanians as much as it is about Latinos.
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If the law were in NYC, Chicago, LA, SF… major cities with very diverse immigrant groups your point would be valid, but, since the NYPD swore to never enforce immigration laws in order to keep good relations with immigrant communities in order to have all immigrants comfortable reporting REAL CRIMES worse than a CLASS C MISDEMEANOR, that will not happen here nor in most cities.

Y’know, we here at Swampland have a long history of suggesting the other side are idiots…. or implying that a particular individual is an idiot…. or obscurely calling someone an idiot. Both sides really – even our right wing nut jobs generally stick to obscure references to one’s stupidity. Oh, and we happily jump up and down on people’s arguments and call them stupid. But to blatantly and explicitly state that someone is an idiot….well that just goes way beyond what is reasonable. Hell, I’m sure most of us have thought that Freeper and Rusty are lying partisan hacks, but that doesn’t mean we state it.
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Also, it’s a ridiculously stupid approach. You’ve been here a day, we don’t know you, most of us have never heard of you nor would we have read your own website before you arrived, we don’t know your positions nor do we have much reason to actually believe anything you say as being more than just prattle from a random troll trying to annoy everyone. Momento is someone who’s been around for a fair bit and is well known. People have already made their own assessment on whether they think momento is a lying partisan hack or not. Personally, I have seen no reason to believe he is and I think the vast majority of us agree. Therefore, all you’re really doing is damaging your own reputation and GUARANTEEING that nobody listens to you.
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Perhaps it’s time to calm down a bit and provide some real arguments. I notice that you completely ignored momento’s point that the very source you provided to suggest that ACLU and the Mexican government are in bed together refutes your own claim.

You guys picking on the white guy, freeper, again?

kattest: When I taught school, I found it better when addressing a class to speak softly and not yell when entering the room. I received more attention and respect.

apr:
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He even missed the clumsy rhyme…

“Well, freeinpa, I think I’m pretty safe in saying that my 40 years in the Black community trumps anything you have”

Classic IQ53: Declare his fact and take a victory lap without any evidence than being a legend in his own mind. You are consistent. Arrogant and stupid but consistent.

Whatever it is you do probably results in exactly what the video in 1.2 shows.

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You guys picking on the white guy, freeper, again?

To be “picked on” by IQ53 you have to make a leap of faith he has anything of substance to say. That’s a leap of faith even Evel Knievel couldn’t make.

“Nobody is questioning the existing laws which deport people here legally or illegally if they get convicted of a crime.”
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Hey Rev Jim, if they are here illegally THEY ARE committing a crime

Well, hells bells freeinpa!
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You actually don’t have to believe me. Really, you don’t.
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After all, the Black community is out there, too. Maybe you could try to fly your ideology there.
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I’m sure you’ll make a convincing sale. If I were you, the best place to go is to find your nearest bar frequented by Black Americans and go alone.
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D’ya think you’ll make Last Comic Standing?

“So, you think the IRS should try and look for people making $35,000 a year to try and find $20,000 to $50,000 in unpaid taxes that year rather than the family making $210,000 a year?”

Gee let’s look at that analogy. Hmm now if we follow your logic (I use that term guardedly) you are following statistical probability that you would find unpaid taxes in higher earning families. Extending that logic to say immigration and finding illegals in border states like TX and AZ we should look for Swedish grandmothers? Or say airport screening, we should look at 70 year old women from Canada with canes and artificial hips? Because profiling those who might have a high probability of being an illegal or a terrorist would be wrong but fo rthe IRS its good policy.

You are too stupid to breed but thanks for proving 8.5

“Or keeping a boot on the throat of a company operating legally in this country like BP?”

This is no defense of BP but a nod to the Gestapo tactics of the left. But then reading and thinking aren’t your strong suits just telling us how brilliant you are and doing a self anointed victory lap.

You get any dumber you would need to be watered twice a day

“Hey Rev Jim, if they are here illegally THEY ARE committing a crime”
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Make that something worse than a Class C misdemeanor. Loitering is a class C misdemeanor.
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What is loitering?
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Hanging around and being annoying.
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Freepizza, you are guilty of loitering every damn time you leave your house.

You do not understand the difference between being asked to bring all of your receipts to an IRS office at a future date and being detained at a police station at random?
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One you can send your accountant or attorney there on your behalf and continue your day.
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In the other, your day is completely stopped.
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Now, who has it worse, somebody hiring an accountant or somebody locked away all day in a jail cell hoping for some relative to get home to pick up some obscure document somewhere in their home?
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I’d much rather be audited than arrested, but, if you would like to check into your local police station and stay offline to see what being locked up is like, go ahead and have some fun.

Freepizza,,
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Did you notice that oil in the water and on the beaches are keeping a boot on the throats of every single Gulf business involved with fishing and tourism?
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Oh, poor BP! All it did was act so neglegently that it killed eleven people and wiped out a large share of an eco-system for decades to come and the livelihoods of millions of families and they have to deal with the big bad Obama saying unkind things about them.
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Tell me, how much BP stock do you own?
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Did you buy long on BP right before the spill or are you just in the habit of defending indefensible Fck ups?
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Tell me you bought long and at least I will pity you.

“You actually don’t have to believe me. Really, you don’t.”

It’s not whether I believe you. It’s you haven’t nothing of any value to say. Your “work” (I laughed out loud even typing that) is right up there with Rev Al and Rev Wright and Shabazz of the New Black Panthers; the world is against them, nothing is their fault, you are owe something and the only ones that are racists are whites. Your 40 years of “work” (yes I laughed again) and you cry the same talking points that were prevalent 40 years ago. Either you are wrong (more than a strong possibility) or your “work” (I am cracking myself up) has been worthless (another strong contender).

You have produced entitlements, false hopes and lost generations in return for liberals being elected. You should be jailed. The hate spewed by Shabazz and Rev Wright is excused by mental deficient like you. We had a woman crying, thanking God that Obama was elected because would not have to worry about paying her mortgage or car payments. You have DA in North Carolina destroying young men’s lives over false accusations to win elections. You have blacks in Phila High Schools attacking Asian kids and political apologists saying its not racial. Your philosophy is pathetic and you have done NOTHING to improve the life of anyone.

And I spend several days everyweek in the bowels of N. Phil. and W. Phil helping young black kids get their lives in order, help them in school, teach them discipline, self respect and education. Values that will lift them in life, not provide a handout or an excuse. I spend many an hour in bars, gyms and fish frys with them where I am the only white. Difference unlike you I don’t need to continually tell everyone about your great escapades which are an abysmal failure.

It is the true difference between a conservative and a liberal. A conservative will just go in, address the problem and provide the results while a liberal will whine about the problem, look for somebody else to blame and then try to convince everyone they know better.

It is despicable folks like you that make any progress in race an impossible task because there is an infrastructure that makes a handsome living off exacerbating race issues.

You, like the liberal philosophy are a cataclysmic failure. Take that victory lap!

m0mentom0ri, forgottenlord, and apr2563, obviously, idiots.
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1. I’ve been commenting here for years, first as NoMoreBlatherDotCom and then as this name (after Time changed their blogging system).
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2. I have, once again, been covering this issue since 2002 in thousands of posts; see the link bolded in my previous comment.
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3. The name I use here isn’t “kattest”, it’s “kattest123″. When you do the correct Google search you’ll find they show 187 results at this site.
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Remember: m0mentom0ri, forgottenlord, and apr2563 have absolutely no credibility; don’t trust anything they say.

Most excellent reply, freeinpa. One of your best without a doubt. Keep up the great work dispelling the lies and inuendos from the likes of IQ53 whose only proof of his “40 years in the Black Community” are the words typed from his keyboard.

Rev Jim I see you are in an epic struggle with IQ53 for the dumbest person walking upright ( I assume you walk upright).

Yes BP has issues but it seems no matter how hard you whine they were issued a valid permit to drill. And one of their biggest boosters was the Messiah. Maybe if BP had spent more time on the oil business and less being a mouthpiece for global warming they would have had less accidents.

But let’s not forget the oil business genius of Joe (Political Tourettes) Biden “give us the money or we will take it”. Demos always friends of business.

As pathetic as you are the only thing was could be for you to pity me. I owned no BP as I prefer to own smaller growing oil companies which will be even more valuable as it is likely that BP will be sold possibly to Middle East buyers creating higher energy costs for most Americans.

But we should not be hard on liberals who can’t help their own stupidity, their hearts are in the right place even if their heads are up their arse.

Posted on ~180 threads since Jan 2009 with very few posts since the new year. No wonder I’ve never heard of you – you’re practically invisible. I wouldn’t consider myself a prolific poster, but Google has me pegged at ~340 threads since November 2009. Freeper: over 1000, apr: ~1000. Newfreedomblog: ~450. Momento: ~240 (since March of this year).
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My point: you’re an unknown. You average less than a thread every third day. There are a few who might recognize you, but compared to those that post more days than not, your name isn’t well known, your beliefs aren’t well known, and your credibility is founded upon how you approach subjects. My criticisms of you – and apr’s for that matter – is your choice to approach this debate by throwing insults at anyone who disagrees with you. We haven’t even questioned your actual claims but you called us both idiots. Credibility is built when people get to know you and people see that you are credible. I’ve posted in 340 threads in 8 months, you’ve posted in half as many in twice the time. That doesn’t mean I’m automatically more credible, but people will be far more capable of assessing my credibility than they would your own. If they think I, a relatively known entity, am credible and you, an unknown entity, automatically claim I am not credible, it hinders your credibility rather than helps it.
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And thus we get back to Momento: an individual who has built considerable credibility within this community. You, an unknown entity, calling him, a known entity, uncredible hurts your credibility rather than helps it. If you’re certain in your arguments, give your arguments and we, as individuals, will weigh your arguments against Momento’s. If you want to bring facts and references forward to support your arguments, we’ll gladly read them and possibly give our own thoughts about them. It will be the strength of your arguments, and the facts and references you use to support them that will decide whether we believe you or not. But if you want to get into a credibility pissing contest, I can guarantee you that you’ll lose faster than you can say “credibility”.

You know what is shaeful, freeinpa?
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Most of your rant has no content. A small portion of it describes your activities in North Philadelphia, which even if true, only proves one thing:
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You were there, and you never bothered to learn anything. It’s easy to stand there in a high tower with your largess and the dispensation of your “wisdom”. I’ve seen people like you before. Some really want to help, but others only want the tax break. The real test is not going there to help, but in being able to sort your people! Clearly, your ideology, described in bold below, stands in the way of you ever learning to do that!

It is to live there that will teach you. How is Mary and her kids doing? I see Duree got a job. Hey Mike, did you like the ribs I cooked yesterday? Why is Alicia pissed off? Charles, do you want to borrow my gas can? How is Jamie and Malika? I know Edgar, my kids did that too. I had to just let them learn about love on their own! These are the things you must do to learn to sort people, and to know them!
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That is what I do. I am not in the least worried about my job, nor am I the least worried about my attitude toward the Black community, which I know far, far better than you!
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Your ignorance is reflected in your rant, and hidden from direct view, but however, it can be summarized in several ways:
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1. You believe that the Black community is unable to make discriminating judgments.
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2. You believe the Black community is uniformly “liberal”.
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3. You believe the Black community is only interested in handouts.
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4. You believe the Black community is unable to discern the difference between entitlements and hard work.
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All of these beliefs you have placed on display here are stereotypical and ignorant at best and outright racist at worst.
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As far as Rusty’s commentary, I need only say:
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Rusty, how is that “Sleeping White Giant”?

Hmm, freeinpa, after perusing my reply to your display of ignorance above, maybe you could come back here to receive these words of wisdom:
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The spill is now the largest man-made object ever made.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilspill/index.html

“Yes BP has issues but it seems no matter how hard you whine they were issued a valid permit to drill. ”
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If you weren’t brain dead, it was the fact that the regulations did not require the remote kill switch which was the issue, not that they got a permit.
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“And one of their biggest boosters was the Messiah.”
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Oh, sexy Sarah is the messiah now? Well, she has children so she isn’t the blessed virgin.
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Obama did use offshore drilling as negotiating tool with the neanderthals who do not believe in climate change.
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“Maybe if BP had spent more time on the oil business and less being a mouthpiece for global warming they would have had less accidents”
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Freepizza, it always helps if you make sense. Are you saying that because they put one or two words into the scripts for their ads to play the role of the green oil company that they had to fire hundreds of safety experts or are you just high on meth again?
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“…it is likely that BP will be sold possibly to Middle East buyers creating higher energy costs for most Americans..”
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What?
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A group of investors who wish to make money selling oil to Americans but have headquarters in Dubai are going to charge more money for the same oil coming from the same well being sold to the same American consumers than would a company with HQ in London?
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It always helps to make some sense.
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Think first, post afterward.

I think “forgottenlord” needs to get out more.
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And, as illustrated above where I catch it lying, m0mentom0ri is a liar.

“…I prefer to own smaller growing oil companies which will be even more valuable…”
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Ouch!
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I am listening to NPR while doing some work-related things and just heard that the small oil companies are the ones who are going to get hit the hardest.
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Why would I tell you this?
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At the end of the day, if NPR is right I would not benefit from you lost money.
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I guess getting you to listen to NPR and learning more facts rather than just your regular diet of right wing information could be helpful for anybody who reads what you write, but, I have little hope that I can teach an old dog new tricks.
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Stay away from the small oil companies for now or sell short on them.

When federal judges who are supposed to uphold the law in the name of “justice” determines it is illegal for “Legal Authorities” to uphold the law, protecting the citizens of the USA; it appears that our federal government, including judges making laws from the bench, have become renegade, villains of justice and are placing themselves above God and the United States of America Citizens and stripping American Citizens of their Rights, of protection and placing our Blessed Country at great risk of grave dangers while destroying the very foundations that made this a great and blessed nation!

The “Immigration Nationality Act” (INA) gives powers to the Secretary of State and the Attorney General of each state to act on illegal immigration.

Article IV of the Constitution of the U.S.
Section 2 –
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges
and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or
other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in
another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority
of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be
removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

Section 4 –
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this
Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall
protect each of them against Invasion…

LEGAL immigrants are lawful and welcomed in this great nation; ILLEGAL immigrants are lawbreakers without regard for the lawful citizens or the laws of the United States of America. ILLEGAL immigration is not a victimless crime it severely affects overall welfare, financial stability and safety of ALL Americans and costs billions of dollars to American tax payers! With California being one of the HIGHEST illegal immigration states; it’s no wonder why it is close to BANKRUPT.

If America is not destroyed first; it just may be the families (anchor babies) of lawbreakers, drug runners, criminals, etc. who will be over the villains of justice… who gave our country away by those who would illegally and forcefully take it!

Additionally, the idea behind the constitution that if you were born here you were an America Citizen, didn’t apply to ILLEGALS sneaking in, breaking laws.

Is our President attempting to gain world popularity at the expense of Americans? Is he counting on illegal immigration, those who do not value the American way or have regard for our laws for Amnesty to “CHANGE” the times and laws for his personal gain at the expense of Americans to “keep his seat?”

May God stop the madness. May God continue to bless America!

I am glad to know that U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton, a Clinton appointee was NOT influenced by that fact.

I know a JUDGE would never use their power to help out a POLITICAL Party that had given them their position.

I know that this “JUDGE” will not be moved into a higher position of authority by a POLITICAL Party in the future for having betrayed the USA and her citizens today.

We would all be shocked to see something like that happen.

Since this decision came from U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton, a Clinton appointee,

I cannot see that POLITICS nor the DEMOCRATIC party would have influenced her decision.