Dire Deficit Straits

The Congressional Budget Office today released its long-term budget outlook, confirming what we already know: Something’s gotta give. The report contains projections for how spending and revenue will look over coming decades. According to their number crunching, we’ve set a course toward superlatively unfortunate ratios of debt-to-GDP, and not just because of the attempts to stanch Great-Recession wounds with federal cash. The government’s plans to combat future problems catch some blame from their analysts, too:

“But over the long term, the budget outlook is daunting. The retirement of the baby-boom generation portends a significant and sustained increase in the share of the population receiving benefits from Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Moreover, per capita spending for health care is likely to continue rising faster than spending per person on other goods and services for many years (although the magnitude of that gap is very uncertain). Without significant changes in government policy, those factors will boost federal outlays sharply relative to GDP in coming decades under any plausible assumptions about future trends in the economy, demographics, and health care costs.”

The CBO compares two different scenarios based on extending current law or adopting several changes to existing law (many related to Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid and tax cuts) that they deem likely to occur. Under that alternative set of assumptions, they predict the debt-to-GDP ratio to skyrocket past post-WWII records (109%) to 185% by 2035. And they predict the levels to hit 62% by the end of the year in any case. But many of the predictions, especially those longer-term ones involving how Congress will vote in coming decades, rest upon an awful lot of complex, fairly unknowable assumptions.

In points 3 and 4 in his statement on deficit reduction, directed toward the president’s financial commission, Huffington Post economist James K. Galbraith takes aim at the CBO’s methods, concluding that “In sum: the economic forecasts on which you are being asked to develop a credible plan for reducing deficits over the medium term are a mess. The unemployment and growth forecasts are implausibly optimistic, while the inflation and interest rates projections are implausibly pessimistic and mutually inconsistent.” He suggests basing a recovery model on increasing private credit — another risky plan, but one that might become less so given the consumer protections laid out in the financial reform bill, including an independent board whose sole purpose is to protect Main Streeters from deceptive big-bank practices.

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  • destor23

    “The Congressional Budget Office today released its long-term budget outlook, confirming what we already know: Something’s gotta give.”

    We don’t really already know that. Not in the way you seem to mean it.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Digby mentioned this awesome post by Jonathan Schwarz yesterday. Worth reading in full:

    “Of course, much of the world’s elite understand exactly what they’re doing: i.e., use the economic catastrophe they themselves created as a pretext to kill the welfare state they’ve despised for 65 years. Nonetheless, a significant chunk of them actually believe they’re doing the right thing for everyone.

    “How is this possible? The best explanation I’ve seen appears in a 1994 book by John Ralston Saul called The Doubter’s Companion. It’s a kind of dictionary—the whole book is just him defining and discussing a bunch of words. And one thing he defines is ‘debt, unsustainable levels of.’ Everything you need to understand about our current attempt to obliterate ourselves can be found within it. His most important point is that money is not real. Yet somehow we’ve decided it’s a great idea to stop feeding real food to real people and cease educating real children in order to demonstrate fealty to an abstract concept.”

    http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/003326.html

  • earljr1

    Liberals will scream bloody murder, but the welfare state they so strongly advocate, MUST END, or be seriously curtailed. Europe’s flirtation and outright courtship of socialism, should provide ample evidence that it DOES NOT work! Closer to home, California provides the same example, with unions applying the stranglehold that simply chokes the life out of viable government. This walk down fantasy lane sounds wonderful to the uninformed, but closer analysis proves the folly of its promise. Mr. Obama continues his charade of “pie in the sky”, but the REAL fact of a 13 trillion dollar deficit, increasing by over ONE BILLION dollars per day, makes this pie quite tart, indeed. Americans are slowly waking up to this chicanery and are prepared to make some much needed changes in our leadership (if you can call it that) 61% of us think this country is headed in the wrong direction. I would say that it is high time to fire the helmsman and navigator of this VERY leaky ship.

  • nflfoghorn

    If we pulled out of Iraq for all practical purposes, wouldn’t we save billion$ almost immediately?

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Come on nfl–military spending must be barred from any serious budgetary discussion. It’s the sacrosanct elephant in the room–to both f@cking parties, sadly. Obama’s done nada in this regard.
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    For visual learners:
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    http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/policy/securityspending/articles/us_vs_world.gif

  • nflfoghorn

    What was I thinking to even suggest cuts in the military or shifts in priorities? Heck, let’s go back to blaming the unemployed and their Rockefeller benefits for the mess we’re in!

  • artraveler

    Where were you when Bush was adding $5 trillon to the deficit to give a second round of tax cuts and pay for two voluntary wars he started?

    Bring back the Reagan tax rates on income and investments and take the upper limits off Social Security and Medicare taxes and watch the deficits decline!

  • nflfoghorn

    Earl, where were your concerns about deficits when Blush hid the war costs from us all, for Byrd’s sake?
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    http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/opinionzone/2010/06/29/was-byrd-right-on-iraq/

  • jimpinter

    “The Congressional Budget Office today released its long-term budget outlook, confirming what we already know:”

    If you already knew about the report, why have you been hiding your knowledge of this problem for so long?

    The only thing I can believe is, you @ Time and CNN have been complicit in the deceit of us by this group of Anti-American swine in DC.

    Funny, not a word about this confirmed poor “budget outlook” previous to now. You can’t really hide behind anything now, except your full assistance with this pack of lies, and chicanery.

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/06/30/dire-deficit-straits/#ixzz0sNXwZfNs

  • artraveler

    If we aren’t going to pull out, then add a personal income tax surcharge as well as a business tax of 1% on gross sales to pay the current costs and pay back the Treasury for what has already been spent.

    It is easy to fight a war if most citizens have no skin in the game. It happened to Rome with mercenaries.

  • bobcn1
  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Thanks for that Bob. His closing line is resonant. America simply hasn’t gone totally over the cliff (yet) and therefore we can’t expect any meaningful correction to 30+ years of failed dogma/coddling of our overlords.

  • kevin

    Stuck in moderation for Lord knows how long, so I’ll post this again without links (all from pollingreport-dot-com)
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    Earl huffs about the right direction poll, but take a look at where things stood when we last had a Republican in office:
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    Pew Research (10/9-12/08)
    Question: “All in all, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in this country today?”
    11% Satisfied, 86% Unsatisfied
    .
    Newsweek (10/8-9/08)
    Question: “Are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time?”
    10% Satisfied, 86% Dissatisfied
    .
    NBC/WSJ (10/17-20/08 RV)
    Question: “All in all, do you think things in the nation are generally headed in the right direction, or do you feel that things are off on the wrong track?”
    12% Right Direction, 78% Wrong Track
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    CBS News (10/25-29/08)
    Question: “Do you feel things in this country are generally going in the right direction or do you feel things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track?”
    11% Right Direction, 85% Wrong Track
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    And on and on and on.
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    Before you argue that those overwhelming rejections of the Republican Party’s rule were merely the result of the financial meltdown that served as the cherry on the sh!t sundae that Bush handed us, look back through all the numbers and you’ll see that the current standing for Obama is still better than what it had been for Bush for 2007, 2006 and in some polls 2005 too.
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    Which leads us to the impact of these polls:
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    AP-GfK Poll (June 9-14, 2010)
    Question: “Do you want to see the Republicans or Democrats win control of Congress?”
    46% Democrats, 39% Republicans
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    Fox News/Opinion Dynamics Poll (June 8-9 2010)
    “If the election for Congress were held today, would you vote for the Democratic candidate in your district or the Republican candidate in your district?”
    41% Democrat, 38% Republican

  • bryanfromhouston

    Why is there NEVER any mention of the cost of the WARS and DEFENSE SPENDING???? What the Frak?

  • acameronw

    Defense spending seems to be off the table permanently for 2 reasons:

    Democrats who call for defense cuts are immediately tagged with the nonsensical and easily disprovable charge of being soft on national security. Few Democrats have the guts to stand up to the slur. This is the consequence of not invading Russia in 1945, not invading China in 1952, and deciding (ten years too late) that the war in Viet Nam was a tragic waste of blood and treasure. You know, being punished for being right. (Sound familiar Sen. McGovern? How about you, Sen. Kerry?)

    The second reason is that the defense budget is to a large degree a jobs program. When a defense contractor gets a contract, they make damn sure that the subcontractors and manufacturing facilities are scattered over as many Congressional districts as possible, making killing a project politically suicidal. This is why Secretary Gates gets more planes and helicopters than he requests. (BTW way, President Obama’s decision to keep him on is one of the best two or three personnel decisions he’s made.)

    Wouldn’t we be better off if a lot of the workers in defense plants were paid to go to school and learn the skills we’re going to need to compete instead of being paid to build things we’re never going to need? The Pentagon budget would be the same, the number of jobs being provided would be the same. The difference is we’d be getting something positive for our money.

  • doddeb

    Actually, hearing from a few sources that defense spending is no longer completely off the table. See WaPo,
    6/22, Time to Get Tough on Defense Spending, Katrina vanden Heuvel (tired of being moderated to death). Also hearing that a few of the blue dogs are joining in.

  • 11charlie

    Dire Deficit Straits?

  • freeinpa

    The real question is why do liberals talk of nothing but cuts in military spending and raising taxes? Otherwise it’s spend baby spend!

  • freeinpa

    We have Iran, China and N. Korea laughing at Obama. Our borders are being overrun but the only cuts the liberals want to make is in defense of our country.. But never question their patriotism!

    At this pint there is no question– liberals hate America

  • earljr1

    Typical little kevie response…the deficit IS out of sight, but, but, but, but…then ends up blaming it on Bush (yet again) Little kevie, Bush is no longer at the helm, the “chosen” one IS and Americans are fully cognizant of this fact. Your vision is so obscured by star dust, it probably has not dawned on you yet (why am I NOT surprised?) Your bunch of malfeasants are on the verge of bankrupting this country…it is time for a regime change. All of your buts do NOT change this indisputable fact…Mr. Obama is NOTHING but empty rehtetoric and can easily be characterized, as an empty suit.

  • stuartzechman

    No, liberals hate wasting tax-payer money on war-pork.

  • shepherdwong

    Via Digby & Klein (the sane one), Galbraith:

    Let’s push a bit deeper on the CBO forecasts. They publish a baseline set of projections. One of those projections holds the economy will return to a normal high-employment level with low inflation over the next 10 years. If true, that would be wonderful news. Go down a few lines and they also have the short-term interest rate going up to 5 percent. It’s that short-term interest rate combined with that low inflation rate that allows them to generate, quite mechanically, these enormous future deficit forecasts. And those forecasts are driven partially by the assumption that health-care costs will rise forever at a faster rate than everything else and by interest payments on the debt will hit 20 or 25 percent of GDP.
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    At this point, the whole thing is completely incoherent. You cannot write checks to 20 percent to anybody without that money entering the economy and increasing employment and inflation. And if it does that, then debt-to-GDP has to be lower, because inflation figures into how much debt we have. These numbers need to come together in a coherent story, and the CBO’s forecast does not give us a coherent story. So everything that is said that is based on the CBO’s baseline is, strictly speaking, nonsense.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/05/galbraith_the_danger_posed_by.html

  • Cliff

    I say we tax the ever loving blue hell out of the bankers, the oil companies, and the coal companies – tax them until they cry into their cups of chardonnay every night, and then tax them some more.

  • apr2563

    Speaking anecdotally, having been around a while, I can remember, as a child, walking down the street after WWII and seeing legless veterans sitting on the sidewalk selling pencils, going to the Public Market and seeing women going through garbage cans, and prior to free school lunches, children going hungry. People would come to our home begging for food. My mother always made sure they got a warm meal.
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    Then came the War on Poverty. People began to be fed and given subsidized housing. Poor children were given free lunches. Resources for abandoned women and children were being offered. There was Head Start, the Job Corp, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, mass transit, Teacher Corp, environmental protection. Soon you could walk down the street and you would not see beggers.
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    After Johnson, the Republicans have spent years destroying the safety net. Poverty went from 12 million in 1975 to 37 million in 2005. Where were the churches and private corporations to take over the lost government programs? You can now walk down the street and see families begging, homeless and mentally ill (we emptied the institutions and never built the infrastructure that was promised to help them).
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    The Republicans dream of the good old 1950s. They have almost brought us there. Now if they could just get rid of that pesky Civil Rights Act.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    In point of fact, if current laws are retained, no changes in the AMT and other policies, there is no problem whatsoever.

    From the same report:
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    http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/06/stabilizing-the-debt-by-doing-nothing/
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    If congress changes nothing, or the president vetoes everything, then this is what happens. No apocalypse. But nobody believes that’s going to happen. Nobody believes the Bush tax cuts will fully expire. Nobody expects the AMT phase-in to happen. Nobody expects physicians’ Medicare reimbursement rates to be held in check. And though I think he’s mistaken about this, Doug Elmendorf is skeptical that some cost-saving elements of the Affordable Care Act will ever be implemented. That’s the “alternative fiscal scenario” in which the debt level skyrockets.
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    In fact, you should see conservatives lining up in support of the AMT, and of extending further in both directions, so that the very wealthy lose their 15% rate for various “capital gains” loopholes and down to regular people, where the absence of a flatter tax distorts decision-making. That IS what they want, right, a simpler, flatter tax structure?

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    And do read the Galbraith link.
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    It has almost nothing to do with the CBO. It is a piece about the distortions being offered up by Peterson’s people to the catfood commission,and the inappropriateness and futility of targeting SS and Medicare in an attempt to deal with future deficits.

  • 11charlie

    China, NK and Iran are laughing at Obama? As if the last president left them shaking in their shoes?
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    And what does defense spending have to do with our “overrunning borders”? There’s no military threat from Mexico, so it’s not an issue for them to deal with.
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    Defense spending does need to be cut. And you’ll notice that the person leading the charge in that department is from the previous Republican administration. Robert Gates has a grasp on what the military needs better than any conservative outside of the Pentagon.

  • kevin

    the deficit IS out of sight, but, but, but, but…then ends up blaming it on Bush (yet again). Little kevie, Bush is no longer at the helm, the “chosen” one IS and Americans are fully cognizant of this fact.
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    I ask this in all seriousness, Earl — are you retarded?
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    When Bush left office, he didn’t hit a restart button and hand over a magically clean slate to the next administration. The budget deficit he left behind for Obama to clean up was $1.3 trillion. The current shortfall isn’t clear yet, but estimates put it at $1.5 trillion.
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    So, no, the current deficit isn’t entirely Bush’s fault. But it’s 86% Bush’s fault. And much of our continued expenses are a direct result of policies he put in place — tax cuts for the very rich, a trillion dollar war, and the greatest expansion of the welfare state since the Great Society which was entirely put onto the debt.
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    http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/chart-of-the-day-reminder-the-deficit-youre-freaking-out-about-is-bushs-fault.php
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    You can complain all you want about how people keep blaming Bush for the deficit and the many other problems we’re still dealing with, but there’s a reason for that: he’s responsible.
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    I’m sorry if it hurts your feelings, princess, but it’s true.

  • poootus

    Arttraveler:

    Fact check: The Bush deficit was 1.5 trillion, not 5 trillion, and most of that came when we conservatives were screaming and yelling at him to use his veto pen against the bills the Democratic congress was sending him — particularly a Medicare prescription drug program that was not funded.. While really serious, the $1.5 trillion deficit left from Bush over eight years pales by comparison to the three trillion racked up by Obama and his Democrats in just eighteen months, and they’ve kept Medicare, Medicaid, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac off the budget (as a matter of fact, they haven’t even produced a budget yet!).

    Obama’s $857 billion stimulus was supposed to produce 400,000 jobs a month, yet he’s lost 3 million
    jobs and now wants another meaningless stimulus. Yet he’s still holding $11-15 billion of the TARP money to spend in the months right before the election (can you say “slush fund?) to spend on union jobs.

    Kevin, check the latest polls. On the generic ballot, the Dems have fallen behind the Reps by a double digit margin.

    And whoever threw in the comments about GDP, government jobs ALWAYS negatively impact the GDP percentages, because nothing in the public sector (government jobs) produces revenue, only more red ink.

    Even Biden publicly acknowledges that the 8 million jobs lost “will never come back.” Here’s hoping that this is one time one of his lies really does come true.

  • kevin

    Obama’s $857 billion stimulus was supposed to produce 400,000 jobs a month, yet he’s lost 3 million
    jobs and now wants another meaningless stimulus.

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    Um, no.
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    Perhaps the best-known economic research firms are IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers and Moody’s Economy.com. They all estimate that the [stimulus] bill has added 1.6 million to 1.8 million jobs so far and that its ultimate impact will be roughly 2.5 million jobs. The Congressional Budget Office, an independent agency, considers these estimates to be conservative.

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/business/economy/17leonhardt.html

  • kevin

    Kevin, check the latest polls. On the generic ballot, the Dems have fallen behind the Reps by a double digit margin.
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    Um, no again.
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    Generic Congressional Vote
    Gallup (6/21 – 6/27) Democrats +1
    Rasmussen Reports (6/21 – 6/27) Republicans +6
    USA Today/Gallup (6/11 – 6/13) Democrats +5
    Ipsos/McClatchy (6/10 – 6/13) Republicans +1
    FOX News (6/8 – 6/9) Democrats +3
    .
    Not a single poll — not even Rasmussen — has the Republicans with a double-digit advantage, and the average of these polls is a microscopic (+0.4) advantage for the Democrats.
    .
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

  • kevin

    as a matter of fact, they haven’t even produced a budget yet!
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    As a matter of fact, you’re wrong again.

    Obama’s FY 2011 budget:
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/overview/

  • kevin

    Can I ask a serious question — where are you getting your misinformation about all these things?
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    All three of your claims here are not only easily rebuffed, but in a way that’s widely held — the Times article cites a wide array of economists (and even AEI agrees with the consensus); the polling data is from RealClearPolitics, and it shows there has been only a single poll in which Republicans had a double-digit lead in the generic ballot for the past year (Rasmussen, naturally), and the budget release is just a matter of common knowledge.
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    So where are you getting your misinformation?
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    And, more important, why would you keep using that news source when it keeps providing you with false information? Do you like getting lied to?

  • diecash1

    While really serious, the $1.5 trillion deficit left from Bush over eight years pales by comparison to the three trillion racked up by Obama and his Democrats in just eighteen months,

    Obviously you’re in special-needs classes. W racked up about $6 trillion in debt over his eight years plus the $1.3 trillion budget deficit that in his final year that he left to the Obama administration. How utterly clueless are you?

    the three trillion racked up by Obama and his Democrats in just eighteen months

    Perhaps you have something to substantiate this obvious lie? Likely not because it appears that you haven’t a clue.

  • FlownOver

    Nobody but the compulsive liars of the right wing talk about “raising taxes.”
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    Me, I support the 2001 Congressional Republicans – who voted to let the Bush tax giveaways expire next year. They did that to keep the reality of an exploding deficit from torpedoing public support for their cuts, and now it’s time to have the honesty to follow through.

  • 11charlie

    “The Bush deficit was 1.5 trillion, not 5 trillion, and most of that came when we conservatives were screaming and yelling at him to use his veto pen against the bills the Democratic congress was sending him — particularly a Medicare prescription drug program that was not funded.. ”

    The Medicare Prescription Drug Act became law in December of 2003.
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    Democrats didn’t control the Congress in 2003.
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    Also, the final vote in the House was 216 ayes to 215 noes.
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    Out of the 216 ayes, 207 were Republicans.
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    Out of the 215 noes, 195 were Democrats.
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    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll332.xml
    .
    Where exactly are you getting this idea that it Part D was the result of a “Democratic Congress”?

  • kevin

    From the same people who lie to them about all the other stuff they take in like sponges, no matter how many times the sources are proven to be wrong.
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    Beck, Limbaugh, Fox, whatever. It doesn’t matter if they’re right or wrong, all that matters is that they’re offering propaganda in defense of the Glorious Conservative Revolution.

  • hattusilas

    Earl, your faction told us that pensions needed to turn into 401(k)s because personal choice would lead to higher returns and a more secure retirement. Result: Millions wiped out and their retirement delayed.

    Your faction told us that repealing Glass-Steagall would lead to efficiency and greater profits. Result: the ruin of century-old Wall Street firms and a near-collapse of the American economy.

    Your faction argued that Bush-era tax cuts would create jobs. Result: No net job gains in eight years.

    Your faction told us that subprime lending would lead to broad-based homeownership, an “ownership society.” Result: Millions of foreclosures and a wrecked housing market.

    Your faction told us that the Iraq war would be financed by Iraqi oil. Result: some $2 trillion of American war expenditures.

    Your faction told us that Clinton’s modest tax increases would damage the economy. Result: eight years of GDP growth and job growth, along with balanced budgets (except for Social Security) and a significant surplus.

    Empirically, your ideology has proved to be a failure. Unfortunately, the New York–based media are inextricably bound up with the finance industry that dominates their town, so (perhaps without even realizing it) they parrot the self-serving falsehoods of the greedheads that dominate East Coast discourse. If it weren’t for that, your side would have been discredited long ago.

    But middle America isn’t fooled. You’ve been wrong over and over. Why should we believe you now?

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