Morning Must Reads: Byrd

Will a vote on financial reform be taken before WV finds a replacement for Byrd?

Bill Kristol pens a laudatory cover piece…

Which means that Obama should have done the exact opposite of what Kristol is applauding, right?

They’d like to do it ASAP, but if they dont have the votes (winning over either Brown, Feingold or Cantwell), they’ll wait til the replacement is seated.

“review the rules of engagement” = more dead civilians

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/05/11/the-gas-must-flow/

“Americans don’t flinch in the face of difficult truths”

If you say so, Mr. President.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/payback/

“Clearly we are nearing the end of the “Phoney War”, that phase of the global crisis when it seemed as if governments could conjure away the Great Debt. The trauma has merely been displaced from banks, auto makers, and homeowners onto the [backs of the] taxpayer, lifting public debt in the OECD bloc from 70pc of GDP to 100pc by next year. As the Bank for International Settlements warns, sovereign debt crises are nearing “boiling point” in half the world economy.

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Undoubtedly, we are heading full steam into the greatest economic crisis the world has ever seen. In order for the bloated deficits to be paid back is to have inflationary economics of the likes from Krugman and the rest of the dimpled dumb as rocks leftist to have their way to “print more money, and SPEND SPEND SPEND”.
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If the average American taxpayer falls for this ruse of all ruses, we indeed are the stupid ones. The best thing which could happen for the average American is for the prices of most things in general to fall. For the Government to cut back its spending by at least 1/2 in ALL government agencies.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/7857595/RBS-tells-clients-to-prepare-for-monster-money-printing-by-the-Federal-Reserve.html

AS, my day has been made. Thanks.

Now that it has been announced that Afghanistan is the Saudi Arabia of Lithium, among other chemical elements, in it’s potential 3 trillion dollar mining sector, it isn’t surprising to see Kristol promoting unending occupation. It also shouldn’t be surprising to see Obama about to renege on another campaign promise.

Undoubtedly, we are heading full steam into the greatest economic crisis the world has ever seen

No doubt. Runaway inflation and soaring interest rates have to be our first clue…….
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If we are indeed “heading full steam into the greatest economic crisis the world has ever seen,” that’d be called a depression. Is that what you really want, Rust-eze? For the country, and the world, to get economically worse so your Republican buddies can “fix” what they originally broke?

“For the country, and the world, to get economically worse so your Republican buddies can “fix” what they originally broke?”
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So there was not a single Democrat in Congress for the 8 years for the Bush Presidency? Or not a single one proposed any spending (and of course they all turned any funds for their state down). And they voted against every spending bill. No wait that has been the Republicans while the Obama WH and Demo Congress has taken the deficit to levels never seen before while delivering nothing more than regulation and spending all under the guise of creating jobs. The deficits stay while jobs evaporate.

Liberals need to find a new meme since spending has exploded, jobs remain lost as Obama continues to socialize our economy while world wide we are seeing that model of government taking a hit.

Do yourself a favor nflfog, and read about the “Depression of 1920 – 1921″. You may then understand what is really needed for our current economic crisis. That you hero, Krugman, is wrong as is Obama. That the Europeans understand what is necessary, and why you saw over the weekend the need to downsize Government, and cut spending is priority #1.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression_of_1920%E2%80%9321

My thoughts exactly. If Kristol thinks this is a good development, we’re all screwed.

What campaign promise are you talking about – or is this just another vague unsupported allegation of broken promises by a cry baby who hasn’t got everything he wanted?

Kristol doesn’t need Lithium to promote endless occupation.

I love that Rusty cites Wikipedia to refute someone who won the Nobel Prize for Economics, and thinks he’s won the argument.

The inflation rate in Greece is about 5.4% which approximates it long-term average. It’s short term interest rates are 1.00%. It’s unemployment rate is 10.2%.

The U.S. inflation rate is 2.00% below it’s long term trend of about 3%, short term rates of 0.25%m jobless is 9.7%.

I would suggest if you ask the folks of Greece if this was an economic depression they would probably agree. The economic figures of the US are not that dissimilar to Greece.

I would hold the snarky comments as we are rapidly heading down the same path as Greece. As the Demos, spend spend spend!

R.I.P Byrd

The Garden Gnome won a Nobel Prize for international trade not for monetary an fiscal policy. This same group of economists condemn deficit spending under Bush but applaud it now and insist it’s not enough.

Just another liberal logic that falls apart when you go from Point A to Point B

Do yourself a favor rusty, and read about Japan’s lost decade and why waffling between deficit cutting and stimulative spending risks stifling the recovery and prolonging the pain. And in future, lets not pretend we are experts in macroeconomic theory, ok?

Here is an article for you, little kevin. Enjoy!!
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http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9880

NYT Obit titles

Strom Thurmond, Foe of Integration, Dies at 100

Robert Byrd, Respected Voice of the Senate, Dies at 92

What a difference a (D) versus an (R)

Byrd a KKK leader who filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Bill is a respected voice in NYT Headline while Strom Thurmond was a foe of integration

The problem is simple. There are all sorts of different ways to make money. Not all of them are equal in terms of job creation. For years we’ve been extolling the virtues of the ‘service economy’ while we’ve been busy greasing the way for manufacturing jobs to relocate to China. Since most of the service economy has turned out to be professional gambling, most of our ability top actually create wealth has disappeared.
The Construction and Banking sectors managed to mask the effect for a number of years but in the end here we are.
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Needless to say, this all all Obama’s fault.

Insult is the weapon of the ignorant.

“The economic figures of the US are not that dissimilar to Greece.”
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Actually, they are very very different.

“That the Europeans understand what is necessary, and why you saw over the weekend the need to downsize Government, and cut spending is priority #1.”
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Yes they are cutting, after a long period of stimulating. That is standard practice in rational economic theory. Different tools are used for different movements of the cycle.

How soon do you expect full employment to be reached, given your new form of economic thinking?

What’s your beef? Both those headlines are true.
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Would you have preferred, “Strom Thurmond, secret father of illegitimate black child, dies at 100″?

Sen. Byrd was a man who grew as a human being throughout his lifetime, rising above poverty, ignorance and bigotry. His detractors should try that some time.

What did I miss?

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

“‘The bottom line is that this is an emergency situation,’ Ms. Sellers said. ‘It demands quick action and quick thinking, and especially common sense. We continue to ask the federal government and BP to join us in this fight and battle this oil spill with the sense of urgency that the protection of our state demands.’

But a review of Louisiana’s prespill preparation suggests that the state may be open to the same criticisms that Mr. Jindal has leveled at BP and federal authorities.

The state has an oil spill coordinator’s office. Its staff shrank by half over the last decade, and the 17-year-old oil spill research and development program that is associated with the office had its annual $750,000 in financing cut last year. The coordinator is responsible for drawing up and signing off on spill contingency plans with the Coast Guard and a committee of federal, state and local officials.”

1920-21 really has no bearing on the situation today. Completely different.
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Better to look at 1937.

The irony that the snide comments are coming from people who in 2010 share the views that Byrd grew to repudiate shouldn’t be lost on anyone.

This same group of economists condemn deficit spending under Bush but applaud it now and insist it’s not enough.
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Just another liberal logic that falls apart when you go from Point A to Point B
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Deficit spending was bad under Bush because it p!ssed away the hard-earned surplus that Clinton built up and it did so needlessly — on massive giveaways to the richest Americans, on a trillion dollar war based on a lie, and on gigantic entitlement programs like Medicare Part D that were put entirely onto the national debt.
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Deficit spending now is necessary in order to fuel the long term recovery — just as it was in the 1930s and 1940s when we pulled ourselves out of another massive economic disaster caused by conservative stupidity. The Keynesian stimulus is essential now, and the money is going to places that will actually fuel the wider economic recovery (unemployment benefits, infrastructure construction, etc.) and not to the beneficiaries of the Republican deficit spending (Paris Hilton’s estate tax savings, Blackwater mercenaries, etc.)
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And no, Rusty, I’m not going to read anything from the glibertarians over at the Cato Institute. They’ve been proven wrong a thousand times over already.

Krugman on the New Austerity.

“So I don’t think this is really about Greece, or indeed about any realistic appreciation of the tradeoffs between deficits and jobs. It is, instead, the victory of an orthodoxy that has little to do with rational analysis, whose main tenet is that imposing suffering on other people is how you show leadership in tough times.”

Byrd belonged to the KKK when he was in his early 20s, and was never a “leader.” Thurmond ran for the presidency of the United States on a segregationist platform.

And deflection is the weapon of… ?

Hey! I stabilized the deficit! So can you!

You too can participate on an “Online Exercise in Hard Choices” with this neat little app from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

Good news is that I got it down to 52%. Bad news is that Grover Norquist has taken me off his Friends list.

Time keeps on slippin’, slippin’, slippin’ / Into the future

“Advocates of the Disclose Act have long pointed to July 4 as a deadline for enacting the law so that its provisions could be implemented and enforceable during the hotly-contested midterm congressional campaign. But with the Senate bogged down in fights over tax legislation, a Supreme Court nomination and energy proposals, that marker will almost surely pass without action on campaign finance…

…The legislation was written with 2010 in mind. Its provisions requiring corporations and unions to disclose donor lists will take effect 30 days after the law is signed, regardless of whether the Federal Election Commission has written guidelines governing their implementation. And the bill also was designed to make it as difficult as possible for challengers to have it invalidated in court.”

edit: “You too can participate with an “Online Exercise in Hard Choices” using this neat…

Robert Byrd

Senator Robert Byrd was a Kleagle, a Klan recruiter, in his 20s and 30s.West Virginia’s Democratic Senator Robert Byrd was a recruiter for the Klan while in his 20s and 30s, rising to the title of Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops of his local chapter. After leaving the group, Byrd spoke in favor of the Klan during his early political career. Though he claimed to have left the organization in 1943, Byrd wrote a letter in 1946 to the group’s Imperial Wizard stating “The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia.” Byrd defended the Klan in his 1958 U.S. Senate campaign when he was 41 years old.[9]
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Despite being the only Senator to vote against both African American U.S. Supreme Court nominees (liberal Thurgood Marshall and conservative Clarence Thomas) and filibustering the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Byrd has since said joining the Klan was his “greatest mistake.” The NAACP, at one time, gave him a 100% rating on their issues.[10] However, in a 2001 incident Byrd repeatedly used the phrase “white ni**ers” on a national television broadcast.[11]

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This is your “hero”, kevin?
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Imagine that!!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan_members_in_United_States_politics

Hey Rusty, I wonder if Robert Byrd hated ‘welfare Blacks’ as much as you do?
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http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/01/10/california-bust/#comment-122301

First of all, he was a Kleagle of a local chapter, which means he was basically third or fourth in charge of a small group. He wasn’t the imperial wizard of the national Klan, or a “leader” in any sense like that — not like, say, Republican David Duke was in the ’90s.
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Second, he apologized repeatedly for what he’d done, and went on to earn a 100% rating from the NAACP for his work on civil rights. He knew he could never live down the legacy of what he’d done, but he devoted his life to trying.
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Third, I never said he was my hero. I thought he was a vain man who engaged in much too much of pork politics for my liking. But he was a strong voice for the Constitution, for civil liberties and for civil rights.
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Fourth, once you’ve finished denouncing all the current racists in your own party, we can talk about what one Democrat did seventy years ago. In the meantime, you’re not fooling anyone, and as Ruy Texereia noted, your party of old white men is fast on its way to extinction. Enjoy that.

Compare and contrast:
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“I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times… and I don’t mind apologizing over and over again. I can’t erase what happened.” Robert Byrd, 2005
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“I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over all these years, either.” Trent Lott, 2002

Well momento, because I believe that welfare is the liberal / Democrat Party’s way of keeping a segment of their base of support intact by keeping a large part of the black population in a dependent economic state, does not mean that I in anyway endorse KKK or other bigoted groups that Byrd was most definately part of in his lifetime and attempt to defend him as your friend, little kevin, has so adeptly done in his comments.
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Race baiting and 3rd grade name calling, this is the new liberal meme in order to win over friends and influence enemies.
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But thanks for posting the link so people can actually read my comments in context.

The context makes you look even more insane.

“Here is an article for you, little kevin. Enjoy!!
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9880”
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That article was really an embarrassing piece. I laughed out loud at several points. That writer has no business calling himself an economist with that piece of hackery. FAIL.

What idiots!
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The only reason either you or Rusty hate him is because he left the KKK!
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So let me ask you these questions:
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Can you explain why Byrd is widely respected by the Black community?
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Can you claim that you two, of all people, are the greater authority than the Black community?
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And if so, please explain why

Here is a bit of a reminder to Rusty not to try to pull empty bs like the above:
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How is that Sleeping White Giant thing going, Rusty?
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As for freeinpa’s miscue from the very beginning:
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Strom Thurmand continued to support segregationist politics and policies and has never changed. On the other hand, Sen. Byrd recanted and apologized and has done great work since then in support of the Black community.
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Also, those people in the Democratic party who were disaffected by the passage of the Civil Rights Act migrated to the GOP to continue to promote racial hatred as a tool for political gain

A clue for freeinpa. Can he figure it out?
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The country we live in is named ‘United States of America’.
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That country, named ‘Greece’ is about 5,000 miles away.
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Poor little Libs.
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Their hate for Conservatives overpowers their non-rational brains even when they agree with the Conservative.
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It’s no wonder that Liberals are such a small player in our political system.
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Latest Gallup/USA Today Poll of June, 2010.
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Conservatives……….42%
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Moderates……………35%
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Liberals……………….20%

20% of people described themselves as either Liberal or Very Liberal. That’s a pretty small number and getting smaller all the time.

And what does any of that have to do with Kristol being wrong most of the time?
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What a sad, pointless contribution to the conversation you’ve made, 3x.

“keeping a large part of the black population in a dependent economic state”
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But that doesn’t apply to white people who are on welfare?
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Why are white people who are on welfare different than black people who are on welfare?
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Keep diggin’, Rusty.

Just a few unexamined consequences of newfreedomblog’s proposal to cut spending in half in all government departments:

50% fewer FBI agents working on counter terrorism and organized crime

50% fewer DEA agent fighting the drug cartels and narco terrorists

50% fewer FDA agents making sure our the food we eat and the medications we take are safe

50% fewer Coast Guard ships helping with clean up efforts in the Gulf

50% fewer Justice Department attorneys policing Wall Street

50% less scientific and technological research being conducted (in areas in which we are falling behind)

50% fewer personnel at the Centers for Disease Control

50% fewer EPA agents keeping an eye on polluters

50% fewer Postal workers and mail carriers

50% fewer FAA workers keeping planes safe (and up in the air where they belong)

50% reduction in Congressional salaries… okay, maybe that one wouldn’t be so bad, but I think you get the point. Just keep an eye out for unintended consequences when you start swinging an axe at the federal budget.

Grape,
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You have never made a meaningful contribution to this site.
At least my comments are rational and based on facts. You on the other hand make up your own facts and speak only as an ideologue.
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Your comments are totally worthless.

3xfire3
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Replace the dates on those numbers to 40 years ago, and you’re describing movement conservatism led by Goldwater, the man who (rightly) said “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice.”
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We’ll get there, 3xfire3, we’ll get there.
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We’ll get there because we’re extreme in defense of liberty, and not yet corrupt and blinded by success, like movement conservatism.
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Liberals aren’t afraid of those numbers, 3xfire3, because we aren’t afraid of the brutal truth. We’re the reality-based community. Those numbers just tell us to get to work.
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That said, the reason why those numbers are the way they are has much more to do with the fact that the Democratic Party has run away from liberalism, not that our ideas are bad. On the rare occasions when the public is properly informed, and understands our positions, we win every time.
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One day we’ll replace the Democratic Party leadership that won’t stand up for liberalism –because they’re not liberals or conservatives, they’re something else– with leaders who treat change as more than a slogan.
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One day the American people will actually get to hear the liberal methods for solving our national problems, and we’ll see what they choose. My guess is that liberalism will do pretty well.

Reading the garbage comments made by most of the Liberals on this Blog illustrates how out of touch with reality and logic most Liberals are.
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According to the latest Gallup/USA Today survey you only make up 20% of the US population. Pretty small group and not much of a factor in our political system.
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The only people who make rational, meaningful comments on this site are.
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newfreedom, freeinpa, Stuart, Earl and myself.
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The rest of you are pure Loons.

A loon must be someone who uses reason to put forth an argument, rather than insult, long considered a fallacious form of logic. In my mind those who rely strictly on insult as a form of argument are likely trying to hide something, like ignorance, for example.

At least my comments…
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…are still irrelevant. Again, what do the ‘facts’ you stated – that poll – have to do with Kristol’s weird ability to be wrong much of the time?
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Are you capable of stating anything constructive, or are you just a hateful, small-minded right winger full-time?
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I’ll bet on the latter. Any takers?

If they are saying now that we are just going to have to get used to 20% unemployment, for the next decade, those extra police may come in handy if the permanently unemployed start burning the place down.

It’s funny how –in this tiniest of microscopic nano-chambers– I’ve apparently been able to succeed in post-ideological bridge-building where Barack Obama’s New Democrats have failed, all the while telling whoever will listen that I’m a full-throated liberal not inclined toward compromising liberal values, instead of claiming that I’ve somehow transcended ideology.
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I guess I should be giving seminars at Simon Rosenberg’s New Democrat Network or Dole/Daschle’s Bi-Partisan Policy Center.
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LOL
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Probably not.
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Some of the folks who stood up and cheered some famous politician when he said:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19751-2004Jul27.html
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OBAMA: It’s what allows us to pursue our individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family: “E pluribus unum,” out of many, one.
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Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes.
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Well, I say to them tonight, there’s not a liberal America and a conservative America; there’s the United States of America.

won’t be so happy that you find me reasonable, 3xfire3.
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Thanks for the compliments, and for reading and considering a liberal viewpoint.

I think he proved it y’all!
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Of the five names he pointed out, one is liberal, or, at least, to his left, if that counts. One out of five is 20% by golly!
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You betcha…

How about the cuts in rural subsidies?
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The Rural Technology Initiative is the reason why Rusty can blog, and has communication with the rest of the world.
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And don’t let me get started on the infrastructure his tax base is too small to pay for…

one is liberal, or, at least, to his left, if that counts
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Dude!
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Are you calling me a centrist?
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I take great offense at that characterization!
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(more proof of the failure of spectrum-analysis politics)

“pure Loons”
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Also according to Gallup, only 37% view the Tea Party favorably.
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That’s 10 points less than Obama.
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That’s 5 points less than China.
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Now shut up and get off my lawn.

Apologies!
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Left of center. Reality based, for sure, but left of center.
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Blame 3xfire3 for your position. He placed you there…

The only people who make rational, meaningful comments on this site are…
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You’re too much of a partisan to fairly make that judgment, 3x. Much of what you say cannot be taken seriously.

I have no idea what type of argument the right considers to be rational, inductive, deductive or reasoning by analogy. However I do know that simply insulting people, and then claiming victory, is not considered rational in any one of them.

The only people who make rational, meaningful comments on this site are.
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newfreedom, freeinpa, Stuart, Earl and myself.
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I think you need to lay off the paint chips. They’re starting to affect your brain

“Deficit spending was bad under Bush because it p!ssed away the hard-earned surplus that Clinton built up and it did so needlessly — on massive giveaways to the richest Americans, on a trillion dollar war based on a lie, and on gigantic entitlement programs like Medicare Part D that were put entirely onto the national debt.
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Deficit spending now is necessary in order to fuel the long term recovery”
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This is priceless liberal stupidity. Letting people keep more of their own money (A hard concept for liberals–its not the governments money) is a giveaway but giving billions to hiere more government workers under the guise of a threat to laying off teachers (incompetents), police & fire men is good policy, fighting a war based on a lie that a majority of Demos in Congress agreed with, is evil but multiple lies about HC which will cost trillions is an enlightened view. Medicare Part D was passed by Rs & Ds. A gigantic entitlement? Ted Kennedy complained that it was done on the cheap and more should have been included. And you know old Teddy was ever so careful spending taxpayer money.

Stuart,
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Thanks for the rational and interesting post.
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I don’t see many of them from Liberals on this site. Most are like Grape and Patrick who are incapable of rational debate. They are ideologues and their minds are welded closed.
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No one knows what the future will bring. That’s why we need to be opening minded.
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You and I have totally different views on most political situations but we are both capable of rational debate on our differences. That’s how it should be in a Democracy.
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Unfortunately you are about the only Liberal on this site that has the ability to have a rational debate on the issues.
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Probably the biggest problem for Liberals to be successful in growing their political position in this country is the fact that too many are ideologues. If Liberals were more open minded like you and were able to listen to the views of others and debate them in a rational, non ideologue manner, there would be a better chance Liberals could have a major influence on the country.

“The rest of you are pure Loons.”
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You have all shown that the shoe fits so you might as well wear it.
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Your comments proves my statements are true. You are loons.

3xfire3:
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A couple of brief points of disagreement:
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the fact that too many are ideologues
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I think that too many are partisans, not ideologues.
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I don’t have that much of a problem with ideology, I have much more of a problem with people who ignore reality because it conflicts with who they’re supposed to cheer for and who they’re supposed to despise at the moment.
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Tribal partisanship is far worse than people dedicated to their openly held principles.
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If Liberals were more open minded like you and were able to listen to the views of others and debate them in a rational, non ideologue manner, there would be a better chance Liberals could have a major influence on the country.
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Well, it’s not that I’m arguing in a non-ideological manner –you know exactly what my values and beliefs are, I’m completely up front about them– it’s that I’m arguing in good faith, honestly, without trying to win the argument so much as to expose the truth or falsity of claims.
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I’m more interested in being informed than winning, in other words, because I think that being informed is the long-term path to true liberal success.
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In other words, nobody likes to discuss issues or views with righteous people convinced of their own omniscience, whether from the right, left or center.

“he was never a leader”

In the early 1940s, he organized a 150-member klavern, or chapter, of the Klan in Sophia, W.Va., and was chosen its leader at a meeting.

More liberal truth if you keep repeating it it must be true!
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“What’s your beef? Both those headlines are true”

My beef is liberals here whine incessantly and incorrectly about how the media has a conservative bias – another liberal truth of repetition. Anything to degrade a conservative is a headline whereas a Demo its buried at the bottom after the typical lap dance of how wonderful they were.

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“Thurmond ran for the presidency of the United States on a segregationist platform.”

IN 1948! Byrd filibustered the Civil Rights Bill in 1964.

Can you get any dumber more misinformed — sorry your a liberal it comes naturally

“And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over all these years, either.”

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The states that voted for McCain will be making the same argument in 2012as our country has been thrown headlong into an entitlement driven wealth re-distributing country hanging on the cliff’s edge of bankruptcy.

Here, freeinpa, argue with this:
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http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/chart-of-the-day-reminder-the-deficit-youre-freaking-out-about-is-bushs-fault.php?ref=fpblg
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The deficits are yours. Own them.

Thurmond didn’t just filibuster the Civil Rights Act of 1964, he led the floor fight against it and then bolted the Democratic Party for the warm embrace of the Republican Party immediately after.
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Keep posting these idiotic comments, freep. After you lose our bet in November, you won’t be here to give us such comedic nuggets.

If people are worried about this country’s finances, the evidence is clear — the GOP is to blame.
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http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/chart-of-the-day-reminder-the-deficit-youre-freaking-out-about-is-bushs-fault.php?ref=fpblg

I’m sure you won’t click that link, freeper, so let me ask you this — if Bush left office with a $1.3 trillion deficit in place and it’s now $1.5 trillion under Obama, how is it that you’re furious with Obama and not Bush?
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Admitting you’re a moron is an acceptable answer.

You are loons.
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So says the person who’s bemoaning the lack of rational conversation.
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“Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”

3x: See 2.7. This is your idea of “rational debate”?

3X,
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What I find funny is that you singled out Stuart. He goes out of the way to remain civil, but, when I have debated him (politely and on minor points) I was to his right.
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So, in your political spectrum I am a far left ideologue and, to my slight left is a moderate who would hate, hate, hate, hate, hate being called a moderate or anything other than a progressive/liberal.
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You’ve mistaken his manors for his ideology since he is more polite to you than I am, but to my slight left.
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He is even less likely to agree with you than I am 3X, so, if you were looking for converts to conservatism Stuart would politely have a laugh at your idea.

3x, you are right, liberals only make up 20% of our population (thank God, it would be unbearable if it were more) but they make 90% of the noise in this country. From ACLU to ACORN, they do their level best to make life miserable for the rest of us. They remind me of that annoying horn the South Africans use at their soccer games, or better yet, a Donkey braying in protest. Its best to tune them out and enjoy life….something these people have little concept of. The center of their existence is hand wringing protestation of ANYTHING that requires personal sacrifice…like an honest days work and a willingness to achieve success by the sweat of their brow. Heaven forbid…a liberal willing to accept responsibility for ANYTHING? Probably NOT in our lifetime, 3x.

Heaven forbid…a liberal willing to accept responsibility for ANYTHING?
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Tell us again how the deficit is all Obama’s fault, Earl.
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http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/chart-of-the-day-reminder-the-deficit-youre-freaking-out-about-is-bushs-fault.php?ref=fpblg

Earl, cross the emergency room sometime to see the psych ward for a copy of the DSM V and look up the topic of “projection”.
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“The center of their existence is hand wringing protestation of ANYTHING that requires personal sacrifice..”
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Liberals earn slightly more than conservatives and, therefore, pay more taxes than conservatives.
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Taxes = personal sacrifice.
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Democrats – sir, yes, sir, save our country with an additional 3% of my income, sir!
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Republicans – oooooooh, can’t a church charity take care of it? Ooooooh no!
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Climate change.
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Democrats, cut greenhouse gasses even with some temporary increases for us to pay for. Yes, sir, ask me to provide for the greater good! I will drive fewer miles! I will drive a hybrid! I will use different light bulbs.
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Conservatives: Ooooooh no! It isn’t true! It isn’t true! You’re lying! Al Gore is a part of a worldwide conspiracy since you all dream of taking away my SUV! Give me my monster truck or give me death!
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Health care.
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Democrats, at the beginning we will all pay more. People like Patrick Sartor but very unpleasant colds with fever and, doctor or not, seek food based maga doses of vitamin C, ginseng and nasal irrigation but, if it were a part of a national program would pay for things which will do more than make me feel like lying down for most of the week. (It would cost about $40 down the street to see a doctor – unsubsidized by anybody – but this works better.)
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Republicans, you fascists! You communists! You Nazis! You anti-Americans trying to include other people in my health care
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This must be what you meant to say, “The center of [my] existence [as a conservative] is hand wringing protestation of ANYTHING that requires personal sacrifice….[I am like] that annoying horn the South Africans use at their soccer games.”
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We are all about sacrifice.
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You are the ones about cutting taxes for the wealthiest.

Well, freeinpa, if you think you have such a corner on the truth, then why in hell is the Black community not rallying to your defense in droves?
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“Tell us again how the deficit is all Obama’s fault, Earl.”
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It is remarkable how the same people who created the deficit, by employing the irrational notion that you can increase expenditures and lower revenues, at the same time, have now taken on the posture of fiscal responsibility, and are lecturing those of us who left them a balanced budget, about the need to cut expenditures, after the economy has already been stimulated.
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It is also remarkable how the same people don’t seem to consider war to be a government expense.

While I am here, Dr Earl, let me know if I missed any good ideas.
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Severe cold, very severe nasal congestion, post nasal drip (preventing sleep) occasional pains in both ears and heavy cough.
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Solution:
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Two pounds raw, unsweetened strawberries (for their high vitamin C content and anti-inflammatory properties) and two pounds of fresh pineapple (also because of vitamin C and anti-inflammatory but, also, reduces mucus production), seven hours after (since it does interfere with vitamin C absorption) three ginseng and, twice, when things were at their worst, a triple shot of Ukrainian hot pepper vodka to both temporarily clear nasal passages and to knock me out cold so I can get a few hours of sleep (twice out of five sick days – the only reason I keep alcohol in my apartment and it was here for two years).
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Let me know if I missed anything.
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Over the counter decongestants are like tic tacks for me except for the side affects (so, contact and sudafed would leave me sick and drowsey, not healthy feeling at all).
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If I get told that it is not an obvious infection, I see going to a doctor (paid for by myself, the government or whomever, as a waste of resources).
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Besides raw garlic (which I didn’t try this time) is there anything I could have done?

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Senator Byrd upholding the Constitution by speaking out against the impending Iraqi war.

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Paul Wellstone speaking against the unconstitutional preemptive Iraqi war.

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Ted Kennedy’s peace speech in opposition to the illegal Iraqi war.
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patrick, without an examination, it is impossible to say, but it sounds like a pretty bad case of sinus infection to me. (are you running a temperature?) You need to see a Doctor and get an Rx…home remedies do little to treat an infection. Hope you feel better, soon.

“Hope you feel better, soon.”
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Thank you and, now, I already do.
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It was my ears, not my sinuses, which have been prone to infection every few years but, with only a low grade fever going up to 99.7 on Sunday (not a real fever) I toughed it out. By yesterday afternoon I was all the way down to 98.1.
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Toss together the costs of strawberries, pineapple, ginseng, etc, I probably spent more than I would have to see the doctor down the street, but, it seems like day number six I healed without the benefits of modern medicine and, even if had insurance, would have done it this way due to previous experiences. Those experiences have been a 50/50 chance of an ear infection and nothing over the counter or by prescription that could do anything at all for the symptoms.
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As a child I had a pediatrician who, even back in the 1970s used to be judicious about using antibiotics so that we would not become immune to it as many have. Day number 5,6 or 7, if not improving, is when I go to a doctor’s office. But, since I improved, I’ll guess a doctor would have told me to wait three days and ask for antibiotics then.
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So, I saved a spot at the doctor’s office for somebody who needed it worse than I do.

Great, I’m glad to hear it. Just be careful with respiratory infections (could have originated in the ear) because, if left untreated, can develop into something worse. (pneumonia) I want my liberal friend to be in fine shape for our next disagreement. Have a good day.