Weigel, The Washington Post, and The Conservative Beat

Washington Post blogger Dave Weigel, who was hired three months ago to cover the conservative movement, resigned from the paper earlier today after some of his private emails mocking conservatives were leaked. Weigel previously sparked an uproar in May when he called gay marriage opponents “bigots.” Reaction to Weigel’s resignation is already breaking down along predictable ideological lines, with conservatives exulting over the downfall of a member of the biased liberal media and liberals portraying Weigel as the victim of a conservative witch hunt.

In fact, Weigel’s departure is a good thing for journalism. Not because he was biased against the subjects of his beat but because for someone who often seemed obsessed with conservatives, Weigel was surprisingly incurious about them. To my mind, Weigel’s most damning comment in the past few months was not calling gay marriage opponents “bigots” or suggesting that Matt Drudge set himself on fire, but this response to a Politics Daily reporter as he tried to clarify the “bigots” remark: “I do not understand or respect the motivation of anti-gay marriage campaigners.”

Now, you can’t fault a journalist for not respecting those with whom he personally disagrees (although it’s hard to see how someone can decide to respect or disrespect motivations that he doesn’t understand.) But you could argue that an essential part of Weigel’s job was trying to understand the motivations of conservative activists, including anti-gay marriage campaigners. What good is it to have a reporter on the conservative beat if he’s not digging into what animates different conservative factions and then trying to explain those motivations to readers?

Instead, the way I read it, Weigel’s response was a flat statement of uninterest in figuring out why some people believe gay marriage should be illegal. That makes it difficult for him to distinguish for readers between those conservatives who use gay marriage opposition for political purposes and those grassroots activists who have objections based in their religious tradition. Or between those whose opposition lessens when they’re assured that houses of worship cannot be forced to perform gay marriages and those who will never moderate their position.

Some of Weigel’s other comments suggest that he was at times not only dismissive of but also bored by his subjects. In one February email (before Weigel started at the Post) reprinted by the Daily Caller, Weigel complained: “Honestly, it’s been tough to find fresh angles sometimes–how many times can I report that these [tea party] activists are joyfully signing up with the agenda of discredited right-winger X and discredited right-wing group Y?” Seriously? Look, it’s certainly not necessary–or even preferable–to hire a conservative to cover conservatives. (Though in one of the stranger aspects of this story, Ben Smith reports that that’s exactly what the Post thought it was doing by bringing on Weigel.) Nor does the job require an ultra-skeptical liberal journalist. But a reporter on any beat should at the very least find his or her subjects interesting. That’s how you come up with stories that other people are missing.

Take this week’s Republican Senate primary in Utah. Mike Lee’s victory was widely portrayed by conservatives and liberals alike as a triumph for the Tea Party movement. But over at Religion Dispatches, religion writer Joanna Brooks looked into Lee’s pedigree as part of a storied Mormon family in Utah and argues that it was this identification that gave him the edge with Utah voters. Brooks makes a convincing case and produces an article that’s a heck of a lot more interesting to read than yet another “Is the Tea Party Movement Sweeping the Country?” piece.

It would be a shame if the Post simply dropped the conservative beat after this short-lived experiment with Weigel. Hopefully, his resignation will give the paper a chance to start over again, this time with someone who approaches the conservative beat with slightly more curiosity and critical enthusiasm for the subject.

Update: Not all liberals are calling Weigel a victim of conservative mau-mauing. Greg Sargent offers an alternative and likely reason for Weigel’s resignation.

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  • textee

    If people got fired for sharing Weigel’s ideology/religion (i.e., fundamentalist leftism) you wouldn’t have a single person remaining at the Washington Post-Democrat, the New York Times-Democrat, Time magazine, the Associated (with terrorists) Press, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, A-Mess-NBC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN News, Sports Illustrated, et al.

  • http://straightflushing.blogspot.com lowellfield

    Ideologues from the left and right issue predictable reponses breaking down along ideological lines, but Time’s Amy Sullivan has a groundbreaking rationale for supporting the firing: Weigel was insufficiently fascinated by homophobes!

    Fantastic stuff, Amy. Don’t know why any media outlet would have to fire you.

  • hellslittlestangel

    I think Weigel did a pretty good job of fairly covering a bunch of self-immolating fanatics whose ranks are filled with kooks, fools and bigots of every stripe. He reported the facts about Palin, Paul and sundry teabaggers and kept his judgements for the most part to himself. But he said something nasty about Matt Drudge so he had to go. If only Dana Milbank had mentored him, and explained that if you must say something bad about someone in the pages of the Washington Post, then call the Secretary of State a bitch.

  • textee

    The Washington Post-Democrat not only thought that Weigel was a “conservative”. The Washington Post-Democrat also “thinks” that Andrew “Trig Truther” Sullivan, David “Gergen” Brooks, Kathleen “Nobody” Parker and Kevin “Country and Western Marxist” Phillips are “rock-ribbed”, “solid”, “conservatives”.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Weigel complained: “Honestly, it’s been tough to find fresh angles sometimes–how many times can I report that these [tea party] activists are joyfully signing up with the agenda of discredited right-winger X and discredited right-wing group Y?” Seriously?
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    Yes, seriously. Do you believe that the folks running and cheerleading the Tea Party have been vindicated or repudiated by the events of the past 10 years? On which policies? Why?
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    The quote you pick out is politically incorrect, but factually accurate.

  • nflfoghorn

    Hey, let Miss Prissy cover the ACLU for Flox. Watch head explode. What’s good for the goose….

  • nflfoghorn

    “Country & Western Marxist”? Hmmm, sounds like you love the Dixie Chicks. ;)

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    How can he now go to the Family Research Council’s “Value Voters Summit” and objectively report on it?
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    Indeed.
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    How can one even imagine that there is an ‘objective’ view available for such a gathering. We are social animals. There is no such things as a disinterested party. The best we can do is try to grasp what is true with the best tools at our disposal.

  • jeriv

    Sorry, Amy. But you’re basing your entire rational on a pretty slim data.
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    Were any of the articles he wrote (which you never reference or talk about) in any way bad or impartial?
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    At no time do you mention, if I may note, the “ethical” angle to this story, in that those were private e-mails shared by a group of colleagues, and someone betrayed their trust in giving these e-mails to an outside party who apparently had a vendetta against this guy.
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    Your entire post appears to be grasping at straws for a “valid” rationalization that puts you on the “righteous” side for wanting him to be fired because he said bad things about conservatives.
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    I happen to believe it’s best to get your info from someone who hasn’t drunk the cool-aid. Too bad it looks like you’ve drunk some of it. You just haven’t noticed, or like to pretend you haven’t.

  • nflfoghorn

    Indeed, if the world were perfect we’d all be watching Fox, Flox [sic] News, Fox Sports, Fox Soccer, Fox Business, Fox Reality, Fox Movie Channel, Fox Religion, Fox Science, Fox Intellegence…All Fox all the time! Wow, Tex, you’d be in Fox Heaven for gosh sakes!

  • Paul-no not that one

    Amy’s schtick is to be sort of the anti-Democrat.
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    From her “Democrats hate religion” days to ignoring, as jeriv points out, the ethical issues in this (ironic that the ethics get omitted by the religion lady) to calling a former writer for Reason a liberal.
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  • captainnoble

    Weigel is a fantastic reporter/blogger and was far more respectful of the right than a lot of other journalists. The Post should not have accepted his resignation. Who hasn’t vented before in what they believed to be a private setting? We’re getting to a point where everyone is going to live their lives Kagan-style, never taking a stand or expressing a belief for fear that someone, somewhere is going to get offended and derail our career. That’s sad.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “liberals portraying Weigel as the victim of a conservative witch hunt.”
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    Link failed.

  • henqiguai

    Instead, the way I read it, Weigel’s response was a flat statement of uninterest in figuring out why some people believe gay marriage should be illegal.

    Similarly, why would anyone be interested why some people believe interracial marriage should be illegal (hint: it’s all about the bigotry). It doesn’t matter whether it’s political (bigotry institutionalized by the state) or religious (*your* silly arsed superstitous beliefs are irrelevant to ‘me’).

    Or between those whose opposition lessens when they’re assured that houses of worship cannot be forced to perform gay marriages

    When will this screaming strawman finally be killed ? Only in the fevered minds of the very same conservatives who would attempt to subvert another institution is this even considered. Religions, in these United States, are Constitutionally protected from such mischief.

    As far as the Washington Post thinking they were hiring a conservative commentator, apparently the HR department is suffering the same downward spiralling of professional competence as their editorial page staff. Assuming anyone there even bothered to look into his writings and television commentary appearances.

    Oh, and why not give us a candid rundown on your private thoughts on non-Evangelistic Protestant faiths, eh ? Lost in your comments is that those revelations were in private emails to a restricted audience.

    Gawd ! Where’s the Evening Star when you need it ?

  • hellslittlestangel

    Looks like a circular reference. I’ll just assume that “liberals portraying Weigel as the victim of a conservative witch hunt” is BS.

  • FlownOver

    I don’t understand people who proudly espouse bigotry either, and I don’t think this lack of understanding is a bar to my disrespect for them.

  • shepherdwong

    “But a reporter on any beat should at the very least find his or her subjects interesting. That’s how you come up with stories that other people are missing.”
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    Right. But you and your colleagues seldom tell the story that other people are missing, e.g., “[tea party] activists are joyfully signing up with the agenda of discredited right-winger X and discredited right-wing group Y?”, which sounds an awful lot like “distinguish[ing] for readers between those conservatives who use gay marriage opposition for political purposes and those grassroots activists who have objections based in their religious tradition.” Maybe he was bored (and frustrated) telling the story others were missing and being attacked by the wingers and ignored by the corporate press for all his efforts.

  • kathy

    Amy, you’re a tool. And to think it was the right that used to complain about political correctness.

  • acameronw

    Hey textee! Don’t forget those pinko whack jobs at Field and Stream. And the sooner we clean out those subversives at Model Rail Roader this will be a much stronger country. And don’t get me started on Better Homes and Gardens….

  • acameronw

    Textee

    Kathleen Parker and David Brooks aren’t conservative enough for you? Geez, if you move any farther to the right you’re going to fall of the edge of the world. (I know you don’t believe that liberal media crap about it being round.)

  • gysgt213

    Amy-Do you think the same thing would have happen if had set about attacking liberals in the same way?

  • dorywilson13

    An interesting perspective, Amy. Worth reading, though I think the WPost erred in firing Weigel.

    Your standards are too high for today’s ‘journalists.’

    But keep working at it. You are indeed part of a shrinking minority.

    Pathetic how many of the posters who disagree with your point turn to attacking you instead of your position.

  • stuartzechman

    Amy Sullivan:

    To my mind, Weigel’s most damning comment in the past few months was…this response to a Politics Daily reporter as he tried to clarify the “bigots” remark: “I do not understand or respect the motivation of anti-gay marriage campaigners.”
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    Now, you can’t fault a journalist for not respecting those with whom he personally disagrees (although it’s hard to see how someone can decide to respect or disrespect motivations that he doesn’t understand.)

    No, you can’t fault him. Well, we can’t. You can fault him, obviously, since you’re using the honest admission of that lack of respect to then delve deeply into the mind of Dave Weigel, in order to find theoretical fault with his reporting.
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    But let me ask you a question regarding a lack of understanding and its role in quality coverage, then.
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    Do you think that a reporter must personally understand the motivations of those he covers in order to faithfully report?
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    If a reporter said to you something like “I just cannot comprehend the motivations of the Iranian people who hung those teenage boys being for being gay,” ( http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/07/iran_executes_2.html ) would you recommend that he stop covering Iran? Would a statement like that expose that reporter as an unreliable carrier of objective observation? Would it disqualify the reporter from working at the Washington Post?


    Instead, the way I read it, Weigel’s response was a flat statement of uninterest in figuring out why some people believe gay marriage should be illegal. That makes it difficult for him to distinguish for readers between those conservatives who use gay marriage opposition for political purposes and those grassroots activists who have objections based in their religious tradition. Or between those whose opposition lessens when they’re assured that houses of worship cannot be forced to perform gay marriages and those who will never moderate their position.

    Really?
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    The way you read it?
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    Surely upon re-reading what you’ve written, you can’t possibly miss the irony of you having just inserted your own personal interpretation of another person’s mindset into a story?
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    How is a flat statement of lack of comprehension of other humans’ motives actually a “a flat statement of uninterest in figuring out why some people believe gay marriage should be illegal,” Amy Sullivan?
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    Surely you have to have some rationale for this claim, some reasoning beyond a simple, declarative “the way I read it,” right? What, are you clairvoyant or something?
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    What sort of mind-reading skills enable you to make the claim that it would be “difficult” for Weigel to classify different people who believe different things to different degrees differently? How so?
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    How exactly does an admitted incapability to speak precisely to the motivations of others translate into “making it difficult for readers?”
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    Are you claiming that your sympathy for and identification with evangelicals makes it easier for you to determine exactly when anti-marriage equality proponents and politicians are doing so cynically vs when they’re acting from pure belief? But it’s difficult for Weigel, since he doesn’t share your “understanding”?
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    Here you are selling your book “The Party Faithful” in the web pages of Salon.com, elaborating on your flat out interest in evangelicals:

    Topic: Gay Marriage
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    Tuesday, Feb 26, 2008 05:50 ET
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    How to turn white evangelicals into Democrats
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    According to author Amy Sullivan, liberals don’t have to sell their souls to convert Christian Republicans.
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    Amy Sullivan is a senior editor at Time, a liberal Democrat, and an evangelical Christian. One of those things is not supposed to be like the others, but she argues in her new book that her fellow Democrats need to reach out to her fellow evangelicals if they hope to build an electoral majority.
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    In “The Party Faithful: How and Why Democrats Are Closing the God Gap,” Sullivan describes how Democrats like Gov. Jennifer Granholm have won over white evangelical voters without changing sides on such hot-button issues as gay marriage and abortion. Sullivan spoke to Salon about the importance of language in reaching out to evangelicals, the supposed decline of the religious right, and why Democrats should court religious voters. ..
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    Q: On the issue of gay rights specifically, where many evangelicals believe that according to the Bible homosexuality is a sin, how can Democrats who believe in gay rights and support a gay marriage amendment appeal to evangelicals and to the liberal base?

    Amy Sullivan:…There will always be evangelicals who will never vote for a pro-choice candidate, but you’re also going to have a pretty large pool of voters who just don’t want to have someone call their personal beliefs right-wing and intolerant. They’re willing to set aside those beliefs and vote for someone with whom they disagree on those issues. They just don’t want to be ridiculed for them.

    Right.
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    You don’t think it’s a good idea politically to call people’s personal belief in things others find right-wing and intolerant –like, say, the Taliban’s insistence that it be illegal for girls to attend school– right-wing and intolerant, as long as it’s the deeply held faith of a portion of the American electorate that just so happens to be your beat and the subject of your book.

    See, Amy Sullivan, if I were in your mind-reading trade, I would say something like

    The way I read it, Sullivan’s response was a flat statement of interest in figuring out how to sell books that tell strategists and other out-of-touch Beltway inhabitants how to get evangelicals to vote for Democrats. That makes it difficult for her to distinguish for readers between her own thoughts and agenda, and what she knows as facts about a journalist like Dave Weigel.”

    Perhaps you could do some real analysis, and actually point to written records of things that support your always-available opinions, instead of merely making pronouncements. Have you found anything at all amongst Dave Weigel’s numerous pieces that would indicate he’s had such difficulties? Can you point to any coverage in particular that supports this theory of yours?
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    Do you understand the basic idea of journalism that one should seek out empirical facts in support of one’s claims, Amy Sullivan?
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    If the record points to a pattern of difficulty distinguishing for readers the complex facts of modern movement conservatism, then please demonstrate that to your readers. If your theories on the inner workings of the mind of Dave Weigel aren’t actually supported by anything that we readers might be able to judge for ourselves by, you know, reading, then perhaps you should stay out of the theorizing business, and have the decency to keep quiet about the guy who lost his livelihood today largely because he was honest about what he thought, a seemingly rare thing amongst the national press corps.
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    I suggest you take some time away from this story to reflect on Weigel’s honesty, Amy Sullivan, and the obvious value that it has to so many of his readers, who, your opinions to the contrary, are not so confused about things.

  • stuartzechman

    You still haven’t said why Parker is insufficiently conservative.\
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    What’s the reason?

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “Amy, you’re a tool”
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    FTW!

  • carsick1

    Amy,
    I think you often try to circle the square in ways that fail utterly for me when you address religion and the left. Doesn’t mean I think you should lose your job or that I will stop reading your work. You certainly have shown on occasion that you either have disinterest in understanding, or the inability to, those who have a different point of view than your own.
    Ironically, those are the same qualities you think Weigel exhibited and why the Post is better off without him.
    I’d always assumed he was a libertarian whose focus had started on the fiscal side and evolved to include social issues. Libertarians, to my mind, generally want the government out of the bedroom. Never thought he tried to hide it.
    He went to the meetings and forums and rallies many other journalists seem to want to cover from afar (*cough* Amy Sullivan). He reported what he saw and heard in a clear way and was obviously good enough at his job that people at those events spoke with him in a real attempt to communicate their message.
    He will be missed and the Post will miss readers because of his absence.

  • apr2563

    http://spectator.org/blog/2010/06/25/defending-dave-weigel
    Amy, you might read this article. It is a hardy defense of Dave Weigel from a very conservative source.
    I have read him often at the WaPo and saw him regularly on Countdown. As far as I could discern he was fair about conservatives and critical of those that went too far. On Countdown, I even saw him defend Sarah Palin. Olbermann announced tonight that he will continue to have him as a guest. Watch him Amy. Maybe you will learn something.

  • apr2563

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/06/dave-weigel-quits-ctd.html
    I think Amy is just jealous she was never part of Ezra Klein’s private list.
    Amy, you will like the nice picture of Drudge. After all, we must defend the man who is such a paragon of journalistic integrity.

  • apr2563

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/06/the-post-shouldnt-have-fired-dave-weigel/58764/
    Amy, read Ambinder’s statements about hiring then understanding what bloggers do. It is instructive.

  • apr2563

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/06/the-post-shouldnt-have-fired-dave-weigel/58764/
    Amy, last link for your edification.
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    What a week for journalism. Criticism of Hastings because he reported the truth but probably lost his sources. A blogger privately tells the truth and loses his job.

  • stuartzechman

    Thanks for the excellent links, apr2563.

  • grape_crush

    What a typically self-righteous, smug, and off-the-mark post by Amy Sullivan. For example:

    Weigel’s response was a flat statement of uninterest in figuring out why some people believe gay marriage should be illegal.

    Perhaps – just perhaps – when someone says they don’t understand why something is the way it is, it’s because it just doesn’t make any damn sense.

    I’m up for replacing Sullivan with Weigel.

  • rsnsouth

    I’ve read multiple takes on the Weigel affair today. This one is clearly the best.

    Weigel’s pieces for the Post were – quite transparently – written without any understanding of conservatives. They read exactly as they were: coverage of conservatives, conservative groups, and conservative activists from the perspective of a devotee of MSNBC’s prime-time lineup.

    The Post has begun the process of redeeming itself today by showing Weigel the door. However, what is most disappointing about this story is that no one at the paper was able to recognize this as a problem before the postings on JournoList became public.

    Weigel’s writings made it clear that he had no understanding of the beat he was assigned to cover. That alone – and not the JournoList entries – should have been sufficient to warrant his reassignment within or dismissal from the Post.

  • sevenoaks07

    I am curious about JournoList. Why did Ezra Klein feel the need to have an inside the beltway platform for the select few? I don’t have a problem with a private enterprise but it is so “insiders only” stuff.

  • stuartzechman

    Examples?

  • jeriv

    Actually, from what I’ve read, that was exactly what it was. A listserv that left-leaning reporters could use to share thoughts, leads, and communicate with each other, in a forum where they what they said wouldn’t be used against them by partisan hacks (*cough*TuckerCarlson*cough*).
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    Ironically, that’s exactly what ended up happening. Someone who had a malicious intent to embarrass Dave Weigel copied snippets of his e-mails and sent them to someone else who probably has an even more malicious intent towards Dave Weigel.
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    There are plenty of conservative listservs out there. Too bad someone felt there being a liberal leaning one was some sort of conspiracy (although that does seem par-for-the-course for conservatives nowadays, doesn’t it?) and decided to use it to intentionally harm another person. What I’d really love to know is who the person who sent all those e-mails to Daily Caller was.
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    Here’s info on this whole thing, if you care to read it:
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    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/06/on_journolist_and_dave_weigel.html

  • 11charlie

    Those liberals at ESPN Classic always get under my skin.
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    And the Big Ten Network? Yeah, more like “We Only Show College Games Played in States That Voted For Obama” Network.
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    Oh, the liberal media is everywhere!

  • 53_3

    So Amy,
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    What does the 10 commandments say about hate? What does it say about judgment?
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    Stuart Zechmans’ comments at 17 reflect a feeling many of us have, and so to generalize it even more, let me ask you these questions:
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    1. Are you saying that a journalist cannot hold private opinions about people and ideologies?
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    2. How many conservative journalists have done far more than that?
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    3. Why is it that you consider hate a legitimate aspect of political dialogue?
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    Amy, I think you are so inured with the current atmosphere of incivility that not only are you unaware of just why it exists, but you also strive to set standards that maintain it.

  • sevenoaks07

    Thanks jeriv. I read Greg Sargent regularly but rarely participate. I think my question was “tongue in cheek”. Does anyone really believe that private communications are possible when one disses someone else in the Village? As far as Tucker Carlson: he has given supercilious a new meaning, so I pass on Daily Caller.

  • deconstructiva

    …“current atmosphere of incivility”… that’s a good phrase. It certainly happens everywhere, doesn’t it? And applies to both journalists and readers, yes? (also remembering the many times you addressed certain right-leaning reders here on said issue)

  • cornetmustich

    Jeez, the anti-marriage folks need to find another issue to focus their time and energy on in the 21st century.

    Onward to full civil and marriage rights,
    Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace,
    Washington, Connecticut, USA.

    As a justice of the peace, I perform non-religious and civil marriage ceremonies for opposite-sex and same-sex couples all the time in CT.

  • 53_3

    It seems the readers on the right follow the lead of their peers, i.e. maintain deniablilty, even blaming “us”* for it while simultooneously promoting the practice.
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    It seems that Amy thinks I need to know the motives behind the religious right’s hatred of gays. Is it really motivated differently than the more secular version of that type of bigotry? Likewise, the parallel with race also applies when questioning Amy’s claim.
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    I think it is a big problem where we are supposedly supposed to give hatred and intolerance a modicum of legitimacy.
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    I think religion is just the clothes, it is the xenophobia that is the body, and in neither case is it legitimate.
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    If Amy were that concerned about how conservatives are perceived, then perhaps she should chastise her peers when they open their mouths and stick their feet in!
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    It is not Weigels’ job to portray conservatives like she thinks they should be portrayed. If she truly believes that religious conservatives should have a compassionate and empathetic image, then then perhaps they should actually be more compassionate and empathetic!
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    What she wants is more smoke and more mirrors, and she wants “us”* to provide it…
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    *”Us” as everyone but them

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    I hear conservative news night and day. What a drag.

    I could have lived without any commentary on some non-conservative dressed in Hitler and tea party crazies garb, or was he not?? Who cares whether he left or joined Wash Post. I don’t.

    I am inundated on all sides by news that seems to have the same elements.
    It is conservative drama without truth or substance, mostly irrational, playing to the galley and sensationalism–all so unbecoming, it is laughable that most of these people deem to describe themselves as journalists.

    Impartiality?? That does not sell news any longer so now we have to read about this man whose dry reporting has culminated in his getting the boot.

    There are many to take his place. I hear some “Oath Keeper Writers” are out of work. I hope the Post reaches out to them and spares us this sort of dry and boring nonsense.

    Anti gays are bigots. O MY GAWD! Let me clutch my pearls. He wrote that? What a sell out. yawn….

    Could we move on and report on more substantive things already!

    LM
    http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/network-security-criminals-can-crash-planes/

  • shepherdwong

    “Weigel’s pieces for the Post were – quite transparently – written without any understanding of conservatives.”
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    That’s rich. “Conservatives” are a cadre of professional liars and propagandists, hired to flack for our oligarchy, leading a small army of ignorant authoritarian followers who are animated almost entirely by their inculcated fear and resentment of liberals and Democrats (and/or people of color or gays if they happen to be racist or homophobic). Weigel at least seemed to understand the basic makeup of the game. You and the rank-and-file don’t even know you’re being played.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “The Force is strong with this [Wong]“

  • kevin

    “Fundamentalist leftism”? Are you just drawing words out of a hat now?

  • 53_3

    Sports Illustrated?
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    WTF?!?!?!

  • kevin

    Seriously, this is the heart of the matter.
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    Make snide comments about conservatives in a private forum that has no ties to the WaPo, and you get fired in a heartbeat.
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    But call Hillary Clinton a b-tch in an official WaPo video, and nothing happens. At all.
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    Pathetic.

  • bemuse

    Damn liberals the lot of them. Krauthammer, Kristol, Will, Brooks, Podhoretz, Goldberg, Broder …

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Not to discredit your opinion of Weigel (the other incidents more than compensate for the failing of this argument), but many Liberals have problems “understanding” the anti-same sex marriage position and would state it in exactly such a fashion – I know I have. That’s not to say that I can’t see the ones that use the issue purely for political gain. I do understand that, I do understand those that want their churches to be able to refuse to perform ceremonies for those couples. But when I say I don’t understand the opponents to same-sex marriage, those aren’t the opponents I’m talking about. It’s the ones that try and legislate from the bible. It’s the ones that, in a political debate, start quoting Leviticus while completely ignoring the rest of it. How can you declare that homosexuality is an absolute sin from a passage that’s right next to authorization of slavery and selling your daughters? How can you have the ego to proclaim that what your bible says should be the law of the land? How can you claim that it’s about the family unit when people who are sterile don’t have to prove the ability to produce a family before they get married? How can you rant and rave about first amendment rights when you can’t even recognize freedom of religion? How is it that we can’t have one serious debate on the actual merits and consequences of same-sex marriage? And at the end of the day, I can’t find anyone who can give me a single consequence that wasn’t written in a book I don’t believe in and the Constitution explicitly states shouldn’t be the dictator of the law.
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    I don’t understand that. I probably never will.
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    Thankfully, I live in Canada and we actually support same-sex marriage up here.

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