In the Arena

McChrystal

Here is the Stanley McChrystal I know: A few months ago, he received an email from a soldier fighting in Kandahar Province. The soldier was frustrated–as most of his comrades are–with the very restrictive rules of engagement that the General had laid down to prevent civilian casualties. Rather than ignore the email or have the trooper reprimanded, McChrystal went to Kandahar and walked a patrol with the soldier’s squad. Afterwards, he had a meal with the squad and explained the necessity for the new rules.

This is an extraordinary man, with the perfect skill set necessary for the mission in Afghanistan: a thorough knowledge of counterinsurgency and deep experience in special operations. But there is another side to McChrystal: he is so focused on his real job that he hasn’t spent sufficient time learning how to play the public relations game. He speaks his mind; in private conversations, I’ve found, he is incapable of fudging the truth. This leads to a certain myopia, an innocence regarding the not-so-brave new world of the media. He spoke his mind during a question and answer session in London last autumn, expressing his skepticism about Vice President Biden’s preference for a smaller force in Afghanistan, with a heavy emphasis on special operations. And now he has been caught by a Rolling Stone reporter, speaking his mind on a number of subjects.

The opinions he expresses are not surprising to those of us who have covered this war–although his statements about the President are at variance with things McChrystal has told me in the past. As I wrote last week, the backbiting has gotten very intense–on all sides–as the frustrations of the mission mount. What is surprising is his willingness to express these opinions on the record, and that he allows his staff to do the same. The lack of discipline and the disrespect he has shown his Commander-in-Chief are very much at odds with military tradition and practice.

I suppose he will have to be sacked now. He is not irreplaceable. There are more than a few fine generals in the Army, including Lt. General David Rodriguez, a McChrystal deputy with vast experience in Afghanistan. But it is a terrible setback, a diversion from the business hand at a crucial moment in the conflict. And it is a real tragedy, because Stanley McChrystal is precisely the sort of man who should be leading American troops in battle.

Update: This, by Spencer Ackerman, is a very good analysis of the situation.

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  • grape_crush

    Ambinder has some background on where the hard feelings may be coming from

    “At some point, I think in 2005, one of McChrystal’s task-forces-that-didn’t-really-exist did something in Afghanistan that angered Eikenberriy, who was in command of the region at the time. The two men exchanged words and built mutual mistrust. They have not worked well together ever since…”

  • nflfoghorn

    Thou Shalt Not Diss the CIC. Inexcusable.

  • nflfoghorn

    And how can he say that BO was “unprepared” and “intimidated” when he first met him? And W exuded confidence? Is he on meds??

  • grape_crush

    The BBC has a few select citations from the Rolling Stone piece:

    “The general says: ‘I like Karl, I’ve known him for years, but they’d never said anything like that to us before.

    ‘Here’s one that covers his flank for the history books. Now if we fail, they can say, ‘I told you so’.”

    Gen McChrystal also appears to joke in response to a question about the vice-president.

    “Are you asking about Vice-President Biden?” McChrystal asks. ‘Who’s that?’

    An aide then says: ‘Biden? Did you say: Bite Me?’

    The Afghan strategy review was difficult for Obama and McChrystal Another aide refers to a key Oval Office meeting with the president a year ago.

    The aide says it was ‘a 10-minute photo op”, adding: ‘Obama clearly didn’t know anything about him, who he was… he didn’t seem very engaged. The boss was pretty disappointed.’

    Gen McChrystal himself says: ‘I found that time painful. I was selling an unsellable position.’

    Another aide refers to national security adviser, James Jones, as a ‘clown stuck in 1985′.

    Of an e-mail from US special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke, Gen McChrystal says: ‘Oh, not another e-mail from Holbrooke… I don’t even want to open it.’”

  • destor23

    I have never served in the military and never plan to so I’ll spare all of you any opinions I might have about “military tradition and practice.” The very notions mean less to me than the rituals and traditions of performing in a live theatre probably mean to the soldiers.

    What is important to me, though, is civilian control of the military. That is, after all, what protects us from dictatorship. This guy and his staff must be fired and replaced. A Rolling Stone reporter didn’t “catch them” he interviewed them in a straightforward way and these soldiers sought to undermine the President who is the people’s only representative in a combat zone.

    Look, I disagree with the way Obama has handled Iraq and Afghanistan. I don’t think, during the second year of his presidency, that we should still have soldiers on the ground in either country. But whatever. I don’t know what I’m talking about when it comes to military strategy. But I do know that our soldiers shouldn’t be publicly undermining the people’s representative, especially during an election year. I don’t accept that this all stems from some kind of naivete about PR, either. Intentions were clear. They all have to go.

  • danielatlanta

    McCrystal should be treated as he treated his press aide.

  • porkdumpling

    This isn’t about left or right, Democrat or Republican, pro-war or anti-war; this is about chain of command and the authority of the civilian leadership over the military. Without that, we might as well be a third world banana republic awaiting the military coup.
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    McChrystal should be more than fired; he needs to be humbled and made an example of. The military needs to be reminded that they are subordinate to the Commander in Chief, who in turn is answerable to the public.
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    That McChrystal made some of those comments is sheer stupidity. That his aides felt free to express their contempt is inexcusable, and shows that McChrystal tolerated such insubordination. They should all be fired.

  • nflfoghorn

    JK – you invested integrity in him and he paid you back with scorn. How does that make YOU feel?

  • michaelfury

    “he is incapable of fudging the truth”

    Pat Tillman lives.

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/tillman/

  • grape_crush

    They should all be fired.
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    Nah…Just posted to some listening station somewhere north of the 60th parallel.

  • Paul-no not that one

    That was the first thing I thought of when I read those words too.

  • nflfoghorn

    I maintain my refusal to feed your blog. However, if you’re implying that Tillman was intentionally offed by his comrades I would say the answer is yes.

  • freeinpa

    “Obama says he will listen to generals about the war ”
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    Apparently this was just one more lie in the the Obama express to “Change”. McChrystal will undoubtedly be fired and should. He committed a major breach of military code with his remarks. His remarks however are what many have been thinking. He merely stated publicly that the First Tourist is really nothing but an empty suit. That is more of a danger for this country than McChrystal’s unfiltered remarks

  • pintortwo

    For a different view of McChrystal (link):
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    McChrystal… recently cried (a) river of crocodile tears about those poor Afghan and Pakistani kids and their moms who keep getting collaterally damaged by all the air strikes and ninja raids he’s been ordering. McChrystal has been blowing the “measure of effectiveness is civilians protected” ditty out his kazoo since his Senate confirmation hearing in June 2009, yet the most visible thing he’s done as commander in AfPak is kill civilians. Despite Pentagon rhetoric… the number of Afghan civilians killed by NATO troops has doubled this year…
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    Every time civilian casualty counts spike, McChrystal makes a Muppet show of doing something about it. He says he’s going to throttle back on the air strikes but really doesn’t, then he says he’s going to clamp down on the night raids but really doesn’t do that either. Now, he says he’s going to “review” the rules of engagement, which won’t do a pig’s moo worth of good. No matter how thoroughly he reviews the ROE, he can’t change the part that not only allows but demands that our troops defend themselves, and when the other guys start shooting, the only way for our guys to defend themselves is to shoot back.
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    I keep wondering how long McChrystal is going to get away with talking out both sides of his mouth…

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    …not much longer apparently.

  • grape_crush

    JK: But there is another side to McChrystal: he is so focused on his real job that he hasn’t spent sufficient time learning how to play the public relations game.

    I find it hard to believe that a person achieving the rank of General has an ignorance of PR and what amounts to office politics.

    What is surprising is his willingness to express these opinions on the record, and that he allows his staff to do the same.

    Gen. McChrystal doesn’t strike me as a babe in the woods when it comes to this stuff.

    More likely it was intentional; he’s tired of not being able to run things the way he wants, he knows that his time is running out to effect the changes he said he could, and, thus, he’s chosen to punt the whole mess to someone else before it lands on him. This way, if the house cards collapses, he can sit on Fox News Channel as a paid analyst and say, “I told you so. We just needed six more months…”

  • 11charlie

    Unfortunately, you will have to dismiss him. The UCMJ prohibits servicemembers from publicly criticizing the President and other members of the Executive Branch.
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    If nothing is done to him, the can of worms could be devastating, especially for units trying to maintain discipline in Afghanistan.
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    I’m not opposed to Gen. McCrystal giving his personal view of the situation in Afghanistan, as long as it is done privately.

  • porkdumpling

    Those same commanders thought Bush was an empty suit, and dumb besides. But had a one of them done an interview of this type to the press, they would deserve to be fired too.
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    Before you so reflexively politicize this issue, you better read up on your Constitution and consider the ramifications for the office, whether a Republican or Democrat holds it, when you help set a precedent of the military openly and flagrantly dissing the Commander in Chief.

  • http://charliekennedy.wordpress.com charliekennedy

    foghorn, I’m pretty sure he’s referring to McCrystal’s involvement in that cover-up.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I’ll simply reiterate what several have said above. The military’s accountability to the elected civilian leadership is precisely what protects us from dictatorship. The fact that the military is seeming to accept this relationship grudgingly is a severely dangerous situation.
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    I’ve known all along that Obama’s unwillingness to rock the boat when it comes to investigating BushCo era abuses within the National Security establishment arises from the tenuous nature of his command but that’s precisely why this particular breach needs to be dealt with immediately and forcefully.

  • pintortwo

    Snide remarks aside, this is a very accurate comment, but I’m not sure you realize why, free.
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    Obama promised change but kept the same Generals and Pentagon in place. He has given them everything they wanted in Af/Pak. And that is dangerous for us here.
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    We voted for change, yet Obama has acted to “finish the job” started by neocons in the Bush administration- a network of military bases which serve to (in their minds) enhance fiscal policy by securing the region’s natural resources.

  • eudbell

    Easy to speculate when you aren’t the one doing his job.I voted for Obama, but can’t imagine in my wildest dreams what McChrystal is having to deal with.The media has another story to embellish.Can’t imagine what would have been said about WWII if the media had the access they have now.Is it journalism or sensationalism? Sorry we don’t have Walter Kronkite anymore! Standards of reporting for the most part are long gone. Don’t think I will see them again in my lifetime.

  • havoc29

    I just bet that Joe Klein was this harsh on the dozen or so generals that voiced their disapproval of then president, George Bush . . . rather, he was cheering them on to go after that cowboy.

    Be just a little consistent, Klein.

    I don’t approve of the forum the general used for disagreeing with his commander in chief, but he is exactly right. This president is an empty suit, completely devoid of the capacity to make the tough decisions that are required of the commander in chief, and his generals know it. And what’s worse, Barry doesn’t care. He and his coterie of Alinskyites despise everything the military stands for and he would be much more comfortable without the military.

    Barry would much rather have the civilian paramilitary force that he has talked about in the past (i.e. the Gestapo) to go after all those that disagree with him, true American patriots and those dastardly radical Tea Party types!!

  • http://micrbu.wordpress.com micrbu

    Ok, let’s get this straight General McChrystal is supposed to appologize for telling the truth!? I don’t know what happened to this country but I want the old one back!!! Stop being leftist pussies!!! Be Americans first!!! I have to say that our military is being used as pawns by a treasonous despot with a muslim agenda!!! He admitted that he is a muslim to the Egyptians! So, he lied when he gave his oath of office that means that impeachment proceedings should be initiated. I think that every American should read the quran so that they understand the nature of the enemy we are facing. Muslims will use whatever means necessary to defeat non-believers and infidels. If they have to lie to our face then so be it. Muslims will smile in your face and curse you in their black heart!!!

  • m0mentom0ri

    Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Here comes a fresh wave of self-discrediting free speech.
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    Have at it guys…..

  • thompson1928

    The best option would be to get rid of the Chicago thugs in the White House and keep McChrystal. At least he knows how to tell the truth.

  • tenaciousd1975

    I keep reading this old saw, “I believe in civilian control over the military,” which is true in terms of leadership. However, it is/should be more appropriate that that civilian at least have a passing understanding of military operations, historically & preferably through some experience. That is exactly what we DO NOT have in Obama. His weakness as an executive is apparent regardless of what the issue is: war, healthcare, oil spill, etc…

    I served under McChrystal in Iraq, and he was a competent and hard-fighting commander. I’m not sure if this version 2.0 of him is the same guy, but I have to believe he made a deal with the devil to secure this post. A deal he regrets everyday.

    There needs to be a shakeup of leadership, indeed, but if Obama’s looking for the right man to fire, he should start by looking in the mirror.

  • cliftonjack

    If Time Magazine and Joe Klein like Gen. McCrystal, there must be something really wrong with him. I say let him be sacked and then let him really speak his mind, not just to Rolling Stone, but to the American public that needs to hear more of the truth and less of the nonsense coming out of the White House and the state-run media.

  • bulldogfan26

    That’s because you’re one of the millions out there that thinks Obama walks on water. The guy is clearly unfit for the job and if he were a republican, Mr. Klein who wrote this article would have skinned him like a cat. Obama’s approval numbers are already down in the mid 40′s. Where might they be if the media wasn’t complicit in and giving him cover on everything he messes up?

  • 11charlie

    “….the backbiting has gotten very intense–on all sides–as the frustrations of the mission mount. ”
    .
    What is the source of this frustration? Sometimes I think all we have is a bunch of people in Afghanistan and Washington arguing over how to resuscitate a corpse.

  • mtbell68

    ‘Dissing’ the Commander in Chief is certainly bad form, and not good for your career – but there’s nothing unconstitutional about it – Officers in the military swear an oath to the Constitution – not the Commander in Chief or any particular administration – THAT is your civilian reassurance about the loyalty of the military.

  • thompson1928

    “the Commander in Chief, who in turn is answerable to the public.”

    If only Obama saw it that way. Public be damned is more like it.

  • http://tragedydeferred.wordpress.com logicforbipeds

    On behalf of my kind, gentle, intelligent Muslim friends, many of whom serve with me on the board of a nonprofit dedicated to fighting poverty in my city – you’re an idiot.

  • freeinpa

    porky:

    I know quite well what the implications are. The generals under Bush may have disagreed with him. The main difference is that Bush respected the military and Obama uses them as a prop.

    ==
    Pint:

    Obama suffers from the same arrogance that most liberals do when they delve into military and security matters in that diplomacy and law enforcement are a war policy. They are quick to criticize military action and vow to end. The problem becomes it is never that simple and the policy that Bush started was indeed correct. It was quite telling early on that Obama took 6 months to affirm a Bush plan for Afghanistan. Why? Incompetence or disinterest were the main causes and not some deep intellectual conversation.

  • catherine1000

    OH YOU FREAKING FACIST LIBERALS…WE WARNED YOU AMERICA – LEFTWINGEXTREMISTS ONLY HAVE ONE WAR PLAYBOOK, VIETNAM…………

    THIS FREAK WAS PLAYING TOUGH LIKE LBJ AND HAS MIRED US IN A HELLHOLE TO PROTECT THE POPPY FIELDS SO THEY CAN POISON AMERICANS…….

    HEY OILYBAMA FACIST —-MCCRYSTAL IS ALL CLASS AND YOU DON’T DESERVE TO BE IN THE SAME ROOM WITH HIM

    WE TOLD YOU HOLLBROOK AND KERRY WERE BLITHERING IDIOTS, AND NOW THE WORLD KNOWS IT……………….

    MCCRYSTAL IS THE BEST OF THE BEST…….HE CARES ABOUT THE 25 DEAD YOU MURDERED LAST WEEK – THAT MY DAMN MEDIA AND WITCHES IN PINK TOTALLY IGNORED…….

    REMEMBER WHEN OILYBAMATHIS PIG STOOD AND USED THOSE DEAD CASKETS TO BEAT BUSH, REMEMBER WHEN THOSE WITCHES IN PINK USED THEIR DEAD FAMILY MEMBERS TO BEAT BUSH……..

    DON’T WORRY, THIS FREAK IS BLEEDING OUT, OILYBAMA TOOK 1 MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN ORDERED HIS MMS TO WAIVE ALL EPA RULES AND CAUSED THE OILYSPILL AND THE WORLD IS GETTING IT, HIS PRESIDENCY IS OVER

    AND EVEN BUSH AND CHENEY WERE TOOOOOO SMART TO MIRE US IN THAT HELLHOLE AFGHANISTAN AS ALL YOU ANTI-AMERICAN LEFTWING EXTREMISTS WERE RUNNING AROUND CALLING IT THE ‘RIGHT’ WAR’….THE ‘GOOD’ WAR……..OFFLMFAO – 16 MONTHS AND YOU ARE LBJ AND CRAZY CARTER ROLLED TOGETHER AND LIE BETTER THAN THE IMPEACHED STAIN……..

    133 DAYS AND 3 ELECTIONS, AND OILYBAMA THE BEST THING YOU ARE DOING IS WIPING THE DEMOCRAT PARTY OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH……….AND THAT IS A GOOD THING…..

    HEY MILITARY – WHICH OF YOU FREAKS VOTED FOR THIS PIG……I SERVED UNDER JIMMAH AND THEN REAGAN……..THE DEMOCRATS ARE MURDERERS……..

    KLEIN YOU HAVE THIS FREAK STAIN ALL OVER YOU………..TIME IS A RAG AND DYING……..RIGHT UP THERE WITH THAT LOSER NEWSWEEK, THE WORLD HAS GOTTEN SICK OF YOUR LIES……..

  • diecash1

    What an utter pile of rubbish.

    generals that voiced their disapproval of then president, George Bush

    Who exactly were these active duty Generals? Had any such Generals done so, they would have been summarily fired. As I recall, W did fire some Generals that disagreed with his idiotic policies and they said nothing resembling McChrystal’s statements.

    Barry would much rather have the civilian paramilitary force that he has talked about in the past (i.e. the Gestapo) to go after all those that disagree with him, true American patriots and those dastardly radical Tea Party types!!

    Apparently you suffer from paranoid delusions. Feel free to substantiate this pile of trash you have written if you can.

  • stuartzechman

    WHEN YOU COPY N PASTE ALL CAPS TEXT FROM YOUR CHAIN EMAILS YOU LOOK LIKE A COMPLETE IDIOT WHO SHOULD BE IGNORED BY REASONABLE PEOPLE LOOKING TO DISCUSS ISSUES.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Just for Yucks….

    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed08.asp

    The perpetual menacings of danger oblige the government to be always prepared to repel it; its armies must be numerous enough for instant defense. The continual necessity for their services enhances the importance of the soldier, and proportionably degrades the condition of the citizen. The military state becomes elevated above the civil. The inhabitants of territories, often the theatre of war, are unavoidably subjected to frequent infringements on their rights, which serve to weaken their sense of those rights; and by degrees the people are brought to consider the soldiery not only as their protectors, but as their superiors. The transition from this disposition to that of considering them masters, is neither remote nor difficult; but it is very difficult to prevail upon a people under such impressions, to make a bold or effectual resistance to usurpations supported by the military power.

  • diecash1

    Mystery solved. This piece is linked at Drudge. I figured that is where the idiots are coming from, save the regular ones.

  • libertyballs

    Arrogance is not the same thing as confidence. But then, you are obviously just a left wing Pelosi democrat and this is a waste of my time to remind you of facts.

  • 11charlie

    “YES, I’M INTERESTED IN SHOUTING ALL RIGHT, BY JOVE YOU CERTAINTLY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH THAT PARTICULAR OBSERVATION OF YOURS THEN!!!!”

  • jacquiefhurlbut

    Yes Chain of Command is part of our military discipline,but what about the Commander in Chief, he has not been a good Commander in Chief, He has shown no love for America and goes to foreign soil and denagrates our Nation…..even our enemies in the Mid East feel he is morally wrong for doing same. Most good men lead by example, Mr Obama has not led well, so lets fire him……..Maybe you cannot bring yourself to see the light Mr Klein.

  • stuartzechman

    You must understand one thing:
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    What you’re advocating is one of the most anti-American positions imaginable.
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    Real Americans don’t judge people based on their religion, we judge individuals by their characters and actions, just like the Founders envisioned.
    .
    Why don’t you take yourself and this sort of anti-American argument where it belongs, maybe to some other country where this sentiment is more appreciated, and they look down on things like the Bill of Rights as the fatal weakness of a decadent culture?

  • sevenoaks07

    The frothing has begun. The know it alls are fulminating. What did McChrystal think he was doing when he allowed Rolling Stone to sit in and let his staff engage is the usual “we know best” junk that is the hallmark of the military in dictatorships?And he gets involved in an open fight with the American ambassador, who is also an army general.

    I am reminded of Patton’s staff. The great man had a knack for saying things that cast a shadow over his brilliant career and his staff never held him in check. The staff work around McChrystal is piss poor.

    To the usual suspects: get over it. Obama is CinC and no amount of hysteria is going to work. McChrystal is in deep camel dung doo doo and whatever happens he will have no influence in the White House.

  • diecash1

    Arrogance is not the same thing as confidence.

    Really, no sh!t? Perhaps someone should have told that to your hero, W. Maybe someone could have told him, and you, that bullsh!t is not the same thing as intelligent discourse too.

  • truprthorn

    Klein is right, only the players are reversed. The general is exactly the type of leadership the nation needs today; the president should be apologizing as he packs his bags and stands down. Only flaw in that scenario is that would leave us with Joe Biden as president and the freak show would go on.

    So, but the sooner systems like Time, Newsweak, WaPo, NY Times, et al bite the dust the better for all of us.

  • skylorde

    Occasionally I get bored and I visit Joe Klein’s blog. I have to confess I never read his drivel, I come here to read the comments from all the kool aid drinkers because honestly, you can’t pay good money for this kind of comedy.

    As usual, the kool aid drinkers didn’t let me down. Thanks for the Tuesday morning laughs.

  • libertyballs

    Just last week, left Mort Zuckerman said ‘: World Sees Obama as Incompetent ‘
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    http://amadcow.org/2010/06/19/the-main-stream-media-struggles-with-reality/
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    Of course this general must go, but remember when Harry Reid said ‘This war is lost’ – he must go too.
    -
    And so must this CIC in 2012, in the meantime his party cannot be allowed to continue to control the purse-strings, or even when we have a competent general and a righteous cause, we won’t be able to afford the guns and ammunition to fight for freedom. Just wondering if I will be speaking Chinese or Arabic in twenty years.

  • Friar Tuck

    THIS JUST REMINDS ME HOW MUCH I MISS QUESTIONHILLARY . . . .
    .
    HOW LONG O GOD HOW LONG BEFORE TRUE SANOTY RETURNS TO TEH SAWAMPLAND . . .
    .
    I’M SO MAD I CAN HARDLY TYPE . . .
    .
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  • nflfoghorn

    Bulldog, Catherine 1K and Liberty must be disciples of Freep and Rusty. Or shall I say DISCIPLES OF FREEP AND RUSTY.

  • loonstotheleftofme

    All of you idiots who are trashing McChrystal for his comments and calling him clueless are so obtuse that you probably voted for Obama. McChrystal is a genius. He has achieved positions in the US military that only a genius – and an incredibly brave and honest one at that – could achieve. Obama is not worthy to spit-shine McChrystal’s boots. If you think for a second that McChrystal didn’t know precisely what he was doing when he made those comments to Rolling Stone, and allowed his subordinates to as well, I have a Chicago slum I’d like to sell you. I can guarantee that McChrytsal has thought through his actions six ways to Sunday, and has calculated his moves like a chess grandmaster. McChrystal is trying to save the country he loves (that would be America, for you Liberals) from a President who is so dangerous and incompetent and hateful of the same country. This was just the opening salvo. And for putzes like destor23 who are so disdainful of the brave men and women who serve in the military and protect your sorry a**es, why don’t you pack your bags and move to Venezuela, where there’s a guy just like Obama to run things? Oh, what, you don’t have the cajones to do that? Big surprise.

  • CP in FL

    This post has really brought the wingnuts out of the woodwork. McChrystal should be relieved of his duties. President Obama should put an end to these two useless wars that we are fighting and bring our troops home.

  • nflfoghorn

    I think we’ve finally found the right material to plug that hole in the Gulf.

  • sevenoaks07

    Yep: Looney Tunes have taken over. Is McChrystal the “new” MacArthur? What happened to him? Ah a Democratic President showed him the door.

  • nflfoghorn

    Loons to the LOM…Super Genius.
    .
    I LMAO.

  • Friar Tuck

    It’s a floor wax and a dessert topping!

  • ohsuzanna

    There’s no issue of opinion here and no issue of so-called “gaffes”. McChrystal is career military. He gave an on-the-record interview to a national publication. He criticized his superiors to that publication. He was insubordinate. He gave false information about Pat Tillman’s death. There should be a court-martial in his near future.

  • wemadeamistake

    Obama has already told the enemy that not only are we going to leave Afghanistan, but ‘when’ we are going to withdraw! Now you tell me how a General in charge of fighting a war could effectively do his job, when you have an incompetant community aggitator as his boss who tells the enemy……sure we are going to fight, but you get to win. Obama must be impeached. He has added $5 Billion per day to our debt…..3 times that of Bush’s 8 year term [Washington Times - June 3, 2010] Obama is incompetant and the polls show it.

  • jim240

    because you are non-military you are somewhat forgiven for foolish comments.
    The Code of Conduct might be good reading, enlightenment might help you understand.
    YOU FOLLOW LEGAL ORDERS-YOU ALWAYS TAKE CARE OF YOUR COMMAND. BHO and his staff have no understanding of Honor, Country, Just like politicians on Th sides of the aisle. GWB was the same.
    The objective is to kill the enemy(no uniforms make this most difficult)and get home to your family post haste.
    I was lucky in 1967-i made it home. almost 60,000 did not. and for what?
    No matter where our military may go. A week at most and the conflict should be over.We are that strong.
    However those civilian leaders you refer to will not allow it. And now in my later years find that criminal.
    I agree, bring the men and women home. no more boots on the ground. Superior airpower, for several days, night and day. will do the trick, its not a game, and yes many will die. however, i can not handle one American dying, if we re not committed to the mission.
    we are labeled imperialists. what country have we taken over? we saved Kuwait, drove out Iraq, and handed it back.
    in the world we feed and protect-no more. troops are to die
    may God bless our Troops and God Bless America and your family.

  • eudbell

    Bush and Cheney TOOOO SMART! OMG…you are either related to them or need to be in serious therapy. IF you aren’t related to them..they wouldn’t give you the time of day..if you haven’t figured out their corrupt, self-serving agenda by now and the damage they have done to this country and the world in general…Catherine1000…God help you. Keep screaming..hope your head doesn’t blow off.

  • Ivy_B

    Friar, FTW!! Both!

  • nflfoghorn

    Must not be too early for C1K to hit the bottle.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    He told our allies how long they have to get up to speed in defending themselves. Perhaps you think endless occupation is a good thing but the fact of the matter is that as long as the USA is there, the Afghani’s will fail to deal with the Taliban.

  • cristanti

    who can blame the General, obama who for the first time meets him, he does it on a plane for ten mins! the General and his wife , I thought that was so insulting, he could only give him 10 mins. meeting him for the first time, Hey the truth hurts, more and more people now are feeling just like him about obama, he is so incompetent and biden is a joke. I had always heard the General is a good man, very down to earth, kind, and cares so much for his soldiers, and he sees a president who could care less about the war these young soldiers are fighting, its all about himself, his poll numbers, he is the most arrogant, conceited, eliteist president we have ever had, he has SUMMOMED the General, oh pleaseeee, it is just to hard to respect this man, he looked like a kid last week sitting in that massive desk in his address to the nation, not presidential at all, and even then it was all politics, when are the liberal press finally going to wake up to what a mistake it was electing him, the country is having buyers remorse.

  • diecash1

    Just wondering if I will be speaking Chinese or Arabic in twenty years.

    Likely neither; probably just more unintelligible frothing…..

  • nflfoghorn

    GENERALISSIMO FRANCISCO FRANCOOOOO….
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    IS STILL DEAAAADDDD!!!!!

  • porkdumpling

    Feel free to move to Burma where your love of military juntas can be indulged freely. We live in a different form of rule called a democratic republic. Sorry you don’t appreciate it.

  • libertyballs

    When you are in a hole, the first rule is to stop digging. There I go again ….

  • diecash1

    a President who is so dangerous and incompetent and hateful of the same country
    W’s term has ended. It’s nice to see that you recognize what a dangerous fool he was though.

  • porkdumpling

    Funny you say McChrystal knew what he was doing when talking to Rolling Stone as he’s been working overtime yesterday and today apologizing to everyone and likely spouted his way out of a job. If he didn’t realize that he served at the will of the President (whomever that President might be) he certainly does today as he joins the ranks of the unemployed.

  • nflfoghorn

    Sludge is too chicken to speak for himself so he puts up a front of retards (yeh I said it). How good is that?

  • phocusplease

    Wow, Joe Klein discussing truth? Tell us everything you know about it Joe, we’ve got a second. On second thought, forget it, you cashed that chip long ago. Some forget, others don’t.

  • porkdumpling

    So anxious to continue our longest war and yet you’re here instead of enlisted and serving in the war you support. Too cowardly or you’re just leaving it to others to fight?

  • truthpam

    are you kidding me! This is your thinking ? I wish McChrystal had Presdient Bush as his Commander in Chief. Obama has no curiosity and will never learn because he thinks he is smart. And really he is president only because of the color of his skin and white liberal guilt.

  • mauerback

    Oh Joe, you’ve drunk the Kool-Aid that McCrystal was feeding you! There is nothing new in General McChrystal’s strategy, it is merely a rehash of the failed oil spot (tache d’huile) strategy, first tried by French colonialist General Louis-Hubert-Gonsalve Lyautey, and then tried again under various guises, again without lasting success, by the Americans in Vietnam. A careful reading of McChrystal’s tome reveals that he proposes to increase our strategic dependence on the ANSF, while at the same time he says almost nothing of substance concerning its current deficiencies. The overwhelming majority of the statements about the widely reported instances of corruption in Afghanistan, for example, relate to the Karzai government, not the ANSF. Readers can determine the truth of by this by doing a two simple searches on the words “corruption” and “ANSF.” It looks like General McChrystal, via his allies in the press, is telling the President of the United States that, with the exception of what be some relatively minor maturation problems, we can double the size of and field an effective Afghan National Security Force in the short term, and together with a major escalation of US manpower in the short term, we can jointly regain the initiative (which McChrystal acknowledges has been lost) and turn around the deteriorating situation in Afghanstan in the near term.

    Given the military’s clear failure to do this in Afghanistan over the last eight years, together with its catastrophic failure to do exactly this in Vietnam, I think the President of the United States and the American people deserve a little more information about just how good ANSF is. I suspect most Americans already know the answer to that.

  • diecash1

    he has SUMMOMED the General,

    I realize that you are clueless to the nature of the relationship, but Obama is the President and CIC and McChrystal is his subordinate. Term it any way you like but your boss can call you on the carpet.

  • lynndee

    I agree McChrystal should be sacked. But… Joe Klein would also have us believe that a man who rose to the rank of general never learned how to play the PR game?

    Please.

  • freeinpa

    “The fact that the military is seeming to accept this relationship grudgingly is a severely dangerous situation.”

    ==
    What is a severely dangerous situation is an incompetent and disinterested commander in chief.

    To quote Hillary Clinton, “Who do you want answering the 3 A.M. call?” We now know.

  • alannathan

    General George Casey, then commander of US forces in Iraq, openly opposed Bush’s troop surge and received neither condemnation from the mainstream press nor any scolding from war opponents. Furthermore, Democrats weren’t the least upset with the string of Pentagon leaks published in the NY Times deriding Bush’s troop surge – a surge that even Obama acknowledged had, “succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.” – O’Reilly, Fox News, Sept 4, 2008. AND, as outraged as Republicans were then, they seem ok with this insubordination now. Where is their consistent angst against such breaches in military protocol? This is why both parties have all the integrity of a pirate preaching “thou shalt not steal.” These two vile and corrupt parties refuse to hold themselves up to the same standards to which they subject others. Consequently, they always give a pass to their own for that which they never tolerate from others. If you’re one of them, hang your head in shame and know that your duopoly is continuously eroding. I’m really happy to be an ongoing contributor to its end. (No, I’m not for libertarians either, their absolutism is nuts as well.)

  • diecash1

    It’s an insult to the mentally challenged everywhere. Even they would make better arguments than these morons.

  • luckyturquoise

    I did not vote for Barry Sotero so I have noting to regret in his illegally obtaining the presidency. But I know scores of people who do and as time goes on this amount will rise. Never in the history of this country have I been ashamed of who was president, even other countries dislike him and they call the American people stupid. This is a man who clearly cannot handle the job as president and those that support are even worse. In the name of God those of you who cried at his campaign and inauguration what was it?? If you people would get your noses out of where your going to spend your next dollar and for what, you might see that voting him in has robbed you of your favorite pastime, that being your materialism!! What president in his right mind will dismiss someone like the general. Sotero cries now because of a shortage of soldiers,men not babies, wait and see what happens if the generals. Sotero has no real b***s!

  • loonstotheleftofme

    Yes, nflfoghorn (and a foghorn is about the mental capacity you’ve shown), it’s sad but true. The wheels of your beloved Administration have not only come off the bus, they’re flying through the air at light speed. Let’s see, Obama has destroyed the greatest healthcare system in the world (or passed legislation that soon will ), increased unemployment to 9.7% (despite his promise that it wouldn’t exceed 8% if we passed his stupid “stimulus bill”), destroyed the Gulf Coast through non-existent regulation of one of his big oil company political benefactors (BP), is having the military read Miranda warnings to enemy combatants captured on the battlefield, is bailing out huge companies that made bad decisions left and right. How moronic are you that you still support this clown? Wake up and smell the java.

  • nflfoghorn

    How ’bout Sludgish or Rushian?

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    It doesn’t matter who’s in charge or what the strategy is. There is no “winning” in Afghanistan. This is just distraction from that.

  • libertarianhawk

    Well, for one thing, I don’t know why such conversations always have to revert to Bush. What McChrystal said had nothing to do with George W. Bush.

    I don’t think it’s very surprising that Obama would be seen by somebody like McChrystal as “unprepared”. Let’s not forget that Obama was just 4 years removed from being a young state senator in Illinois when he took the Oath of Office.

    Most people who become president are probably unprepared for it. And Obama’s probably among the least prepared ones we’ve had, in mere terms of that sort of experience.

  • http://kathyfromlosangeles.wordpress.com kathyfromlosangeles

    Oh please, all these comments about military elevating itself above civilian. We are so far from that those comments are absurd and thinly veiled cowardice. Weather the general did this on purpose or the Rolling Stone reporter tricked him, who cares, he said what at least half the country KNOWS. Our current president and vice-president are incompetent wimps. Thank heaven they weren’t in charge when 911 happened.

  • nflfoghorn

    Thanks for the response. Hey, when (or if) you ever visit Reality, I’ll be here all week.

  • nflfoghorn

    If they were in charge before 9/11, I’d be willing to bet that 9/11 would’ve never happened.
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    If heaven is like your version, I refuse to go.

  • lynndee

    Hee hee. You called the President Barry Sotero. That’s so clever. Let’s the reader know right away you have something important to say.

  • miguelsaavadera

    I am pretty sure McCrystal will have his written resignation in his blouse when he gets to the WH …

    And the President better go to his bunker, with his ear plugs in, and flack jacket on … because when McCrystal does resign, that first press interview on that day is going to be a Nuclear Blast much larger and much, much worse than what McCarthur gave against Truman.

    The President is killing McCrystal’s men for political reasons, and is not what the General desires for those he both personally knows and LEADS …

  • lynndee

    Oops. That should be “lets.”

  • earlybird4

    In matters of most anything I would say yes, W, was hell of a lot better qualified to handle. What do you get when you elect a community organizer? A community organizer period. O is a complete narcissistic (sic) arrogant incompetent boob. But he sure knows that he wants to destroy America and has the ability to organize mindless sheeple to help get is atrocities passed through congress. I will give him that.

  • http://springerrider.wordpress.com springerrider

    For starters, I am retired USMC/USN of 22 years and do not like McCrystal. I think he is opportunistic and landed his position in Afghanistan using obsequiousness. But he is killing soldiers. His first loyalty is to his troops and in that realm, he is a total failure.

    Our Community Organizer made Commander-in-Chief has no concept of war. He does not even want to acknowledge that we are fighting terrorist. Obama wants a “nice war.” Similar to another total idiot that once occupied the Whitehouse (Carter), he has imposed rules of engagement that is costing American soldiers their lives.

    McCrystal has finally spoke up about the incompetence of this administration. He has a 1st Amendment right to do so. He will be fired and some lapdog who is less qualified will move into his place. McCrystal had just returned from the field where soldier’s were begging to blow-up a house that they knew was occupied by Taliban snipers. The troops are enraged because they were denied the request. Another young father and husband was just killed by a sniper bullet from the house. The house still stands because of the “new” rules of engagement.

    Soldiers are provided rules of engagement:
    “Patrol only in areas that you are reasonably certain that you will not have to defend yourselves with lethal force.”
    That is not how you win a war!! That is the instruction from a community organizer.

    These kids are over there dying so you and your family can sleep safe tonight. Are you ready for failure in Afghanistan? Are you ready for six dirty bombs to go off simultaneously in six cities across the US, shutting the country down for months? Are you ready for the shelves in your grocery store to go bare, gangs in the streets openly looting for food, and complete chaos. That is what the next act of terrorism will look like when we walk away from Afghanistan without victory.

  • diecash1

    Thank heaven they weren’t in charge when 911 happened.

    Brilliant analysis there. Yep, a completely incompetent crew of Neocons were in charge when 9/11 happened on their watch. Nice of you to remember.

  • nflfoghorn

    “[H]e is president only because of the color of his skin and white liberal guilt” (3.6)
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    And the award for Dumbest Comment of All Time goes to….TRUTHPAM!!!!!

  • lynndee

    Will he be retiring as well as resigning his command, then?

  • nflfoghorn

    Hello. Interloper. One question: How do you know when we’ve won?

  • loonstotheleftofme

    Yes, foghorn, reality is where I live, and a place you Lefties might want to visit sometime. Maybe if you look real hard through the fog, you can find the place. The whole world is laughing at our country for putting a poseur Communist in the White House, with zero vetting. Hell, we don’t even know if he was born here. And why hasn’t he released his Columbia, Harvard and Occidental College records? Or his Illinois state legislator files? Or his birth certificate? Or his Harvard Law Review writings? Or….? What a bunch of dupes you saps are, with your crying at his inauguration, and the thrill going up your fruity legs, and your fainting at his speeches. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

  • virginiagentleman

    sevenoaks, I was wondering who would be dumb enough to make the MacArthur comparison and you win!!!

    In case you haven’t noticed (of course, you haven’t noticed, you’re too busy listening to Rush Limbaugh), MacArthur’s reputation has diminished dramatically in the last 50 years.

    Tom Ricks, the great military affairs reporter, recently listed MacArthur as the worst general in American history. Why?

    “It was my contest, so I declared MacArthur the No. 1 loser, because of his unique record of being insubordinate to three presidents (Hoover, Roosevelt and Truman) as well as screwing up the Korean War. Plus additional negative points for his role in the gassing and suppression of the Bonus Marchers in 1932. You can’t defend a country by undermining it.

    It really is extraordinary how the Army has extirpated his memory. The influence of Marshall, Eisenhower and Bradley lives on, while MacArthur has been treated as a historical dead end. Kind of amazing, considering he was a general for 26 years, was the Army chief of staff, received the Medal of Honor, fought in three wars and was a senior commander in two.”

    The key point is the reference to the Army extirpating (that means destroying completely, you know) MacArthur’s memory. That means the Army (not me, not you, but the Army) thinks MacArthur offers an example it doesn’t want its generals to follow.

    Still want to stand by that comparison?

  • lynndee

    I agree with your comments about McChrystal’s opportunism and obsequiousness. I have no idea what a self-styled ascetic is doing in the military unless it’s to work on a screenplay or something.

    As for his First Amendment rights… well, yes. He is after all a citizen. But he has also earned the right to be canned for insubordination. What he has done is nothing short of outrageous.

  • miguelsaavadera

    Your ‘FACTS?”

  • michaelfury

    “U.S. officials have long telegraphed their intention to seize Marjah. McChrystal said the element of surprise was not as important as letting citizens know that an Afghan government will be there to replace Taliban overlords and drug traffickers.”

    Why not just drop leaflets soliciting pipefitters, General?

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/right-of-way/

  • nflfoghorn

    “Fruity legs.” “Obsequiousness.” OMG you’re killin’ me here!

  • http://kathyfromlosangeles.wordpress.com kathyfromlosangeles

    911 happened as a result of another incompetent wimp’s previous administration dismantaling of many military and cia security cross checks and failure to respond when the twin towers were bombed the first time and other terrorist attacks happened against the US.

  • golfballtx

    They’ll fire him.

    Obama, regardless of the fact that he is an unabashed Anti-American, is C-I-C for another 28 months or so and is his boss.For the sake of military discipline of those engaged in Afghanistan, this type of behavior is unacceptable.

    However,this is NOT the actual issue. The White House will make this about civilian control of the military, but it isn’t. The issue is that the White House can’t think outside that box. Anything that is beyond the pale with respect to political questions is so far outside their realm that they refuse to admit it has ANY validity.

    The truth be told, these thoughts are those of the VAST majority of military leaders…..because the best interests of their men and women is their first priority. It’s simply more proof that the political animals that run the White House are more concerned about the politics of the war than the fighting of the war and the men and women on the front lines.

  • renee2020

    Joe Klein says, “I’ve found, he [McChrystal] is incapable of fudging the truth.” Please — Klein needs to cut the kiss-ass crap. McChrystal wasn’t incapable of fudging the truth when he signed-off on the fabricated story of Pat Tillman’s death which he [McChrystal] knew was fabricated. Fudging the truth was precisely what he did.

    McChrystal should have been given the boot a long time ago. Obama should have waved bye-bye to McChrystal a year ago when he politically hamstrung the president with his media tour proclaiming the effort in Afghanistan would fail if he didn’t get an additional 30,000 troops. Not to mention the disrespect that demonstrated for the commander-in-chief. Rather than discussing his views privately with the President he went to the media in an effort to box Obama in and IMO to flex his muscles of disrespect for the commander-in-chief. I thought Obama set the wrong tone and sent the wrong message by not firing McChrystal them.

    Just as the General claimed an error in judgment in signing-off on the Pat Tillman lies he’s claiming another such judgment error regarding the Rolling Stone interview. It’s looking like a pattern of bad judgment to me. We’ve had enough of his judgment errors — I certainly have.

  • lynndee

    Quote: “He has shown no love for America and goes to foreign soil and denagrates our Nation…..even our enemies in the Mid East feel he is morally wrong for doing same.”

    Oh stop. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Where do you folks get this stuff? Fox News, I assume?

    BTW, you misspelled “denigrates.” Invest in a dictionary, how about?

  • lynndee

    Obama is an unabashed anti-American??!! Shocking the swill that conservatives will swallow these days. Well, at least you recognize he’s the Commander in Chief. So you’re only half a tea-bagger.

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    I honestly Think Obama is still the typical Anti military liberal. This nonsense of wanting to start withdrawing next year is absurd. This sort of war will take at least 20 years to finish(if it finishes). Obama is the man at fault here for giving absurd directions to the military.

    But i bet if Obama were white like the incompetent W, the general would not be so outspoken. We are NOt a dictatorship and OUR tax payer money PAYS for all the 1.2 trillion dollar war and toys, no-bid contracts, kickbacks and failures. How long shall we go on before we ask all Americans to SACRIFICE? Bush ruined our economy, got us into a recession, cut taxes for the rich and ran up 1.2 trillion dollars in two wars we cannot disengage from. The General OWES it to us and my tax money to respect that we are a democracy and have civilian control of the army.

    Now the choices are either you go full throttle or disengage. This sort of half measure is what President Chandrika of Sri Lanka engaged in and it failed. Its current President Mahinda Rajapakse knew what to do and his brother and General Fonseka did it! no holds barred and a 30 year old war against the toughest group or terrorist rebel separatist ended last year! Air strikes, missiles, and an aggressive approach will mean more civilians will die, but without that this will be like a slow growing prostrate cancer. Counter insurgency campaigns like this will take forever to end so in the end we will waste another trillion dollars of our money, the economy will collapse and the Afghans will prove that they can never be conquered by white western armies. (British and the Soviets)..

    I can bet that the military is now more against Obama than ever before. If they no longer respect the CinC there will be big trouble. As it stands Gen. Petraeus might run as the Republican in 2012 and there will be clean sweep.

    There is always contempt for those who never served in the US! And Obama needs to realize that his idiotic goals cannot be met. GET Americans TO SHARE THE COST; Put a defense war TAX and bring back the DRAFT NOW.. Obama needs to wake up to reality and tell Americans WE CANNOT AFFORD another Trillion dollars while we selfishly ask for tax cuts. From the greatest generation we became the pathetic narcissistic what in it for me generation. Amazing. No wonder why we cannot win wars.

  • virginiagentleman

    Lady, turn down the World Cup broadcast. That way you won’t have to shout over the vuvuzelas…

  • stuartzechman

    the greatest healthcare system in the world
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    LOL

  • stuartzechman

    How dare you…
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    These kids are over there dying so you and your family can sleep safe tonight. Are you ready for failure in Afghanistan? Are you ready for six dirty bombs to go off simultaneously in six cities across the US, shutting the country down for months? Are you ready for the shelves in your grocery store to go bare, gangs in the streets openly looting for food, and complete chaos. That is what the next act of terrorism will look like when we walk away from Afghanistan without victory.
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    How dare you mix up the honor and sacrifices of our brave men and women with your idiotic fantasizing and rank, bed-wetting cowardice.

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    General McChrystal does owe Obama an apology and Obama must CHANGE his idiotic time constrained strategy. Special Ops worked really well in Sri lanka including behind the scenes assassinations. But I am not sure if the terrain and culture in Afg will help it. But stupid Republicans should not use this to gloat because it is dumb W who spoke to a “Higher father” who bungled all of it. He rushed into the wrong place in Iraq. He dropped the ball in Afg-Pak. Anyone who has an iota of sense knew the Afg-Pak theater was where the real war was. So what do we now? undo 8 years of incompetent policy by the damned Republicans in one yr? No it will NOT work. The army cannot be told to work to political constraints. It needs more time and we Americans MUST SACRIFICE And PAY the cost. Opposing a war tax is unpatriotic. 1.2 Trillion dollars so far and mounting.

  • walter12

    McChrystal is a warrior general and cannot stand how inept and stupid Obama is and lost his temper and made a mistake. You cannot win a war unless you kill the enemy, Obama does not want to kill the enemy and does not want to win this war. Since Obama is a traitor to the Constitution, a closet Muslim, a Marxist, and a liar, he cannot stand McChrystal and vice virsus.
    Besides McChrystal is ten times the man Obama is and Obama cannot stand that fact.

  • lynndee

    Ya kinda gave up being taken seriously when you chose the alias “macaca yankee.”

  • porkdumpling

    Kathy “knows.” This is what Stephen Colbert meant by truthiness. Kathy has no insight or evidence, but she “KNOWS” (capitalized, so that the rest of us will take her seriously). Truly, ignorance has triumphed.

  • porkdumpling

    If McChrystal’s men die, then he only has himself to blame. He knew the rules and out of stupidity or sheer contempt, he flouted them. He is a bad commander.

  • grape_crush

    Weather[sic] the general did this on purpose or the Rolling Stone reporter tricked him..
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    If the General in charge of our military operations in Afghanistan is rube enough to be ‘tricked’ by a reporter, what does it say about that General’s capabilities? Who else has he been ‘tricked’ by?
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    Nah. They all knew what they were doing.
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    Our current president and vice-president are incompetent wimps.
    .
    These ‘incompetent wimps’ have had more success killing or capturing terrorist leaders in their first year than Bush did in his last. We have a 100% success rate in trying terrorists in civilian court, where, under Cheney’s catch and release program,

    14% of the 530 Gitmo detainees released through Cheney’s direct approval (74 to be exact) have either been identified as reengaging in terrorism or suspected of doing so.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amb-marc-ginsberg/dick-cheneys-role-in-al-q_b_410614.html
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    You’re talking out of your hindquarters, which isn’t unusual for someone who hyperventilates over the latest Drudge headline.

  • virginiagentleman

    springerrider, you must have forgotten this little item since you left the Marines. It’s Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice on insubordination:

    Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

    So much for McChrystal’s First Amendment rights…

  • diecash1

    Perhaps it’s time to get over your daddy fixation. Did your daddy not make enough time for you? Perhaps that’s why you think all presidents that you disagree with are wimps.

  • renee2020

    You were proud of the presidency of George W. Bush?

    Took a federal surplus and turned it into astromincal federal debt.

    Took us to war, sacrificed countless American and Iraqi lives, based on a hyped-up, fabricated story about WMD.

    Gutted the regulatory agencies that oversee energy allowing the industries to regulate themselves for all practical purposes and allowing them to write energy policy the fruits of which we are now seeing in the Gulf of Mexico.

    Ignored the CIA memo entitled ‘Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the U.S.’ and subsequently presided over the worst foreign terrorist attack in the history of the country on his watch — to which his call to arms for the civilian population was ‘go shopping.’

    Raiding the federal treasury to give unwarranted tax cuts to the rich.

    Attempting to privatize social security (fortunately in vain).

    Failed to complete the job in Afghanistan — choosing instead to stretch our military to the limit by starting an ill advised, unnecessary war of choice in Iraq.

    I could go on.

  • golfballtx

    Yes, lynndee. Obama is anti-American. He is a bigger enemy to the American way of life than Osama bin-Laden is in his wildest dreams. He has done more damage to the free market system than anyone since FDR. He has shown a total disregard for his oath of office (outright refusal to enforce existing immigration law, election fraud, etc).

    And since you are obviously a liberal, you won’t mind if I call your political leaning an obscene name, will you? Oh, right, since I’m conservative that would not be acceptable…

    Idiot…..

  • porkdumpling

    “Made a mistake”? We can’t afford such mistakes.
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    McChrystal is a warrior who is turning out to have bad judgment. Generals are a dime a dozen; let’s get another one in there who can do the job.
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    Meanwhile, McChrystal can be 10 times the man while unemployed stateside, knowing he failed at his mission.

  • debagley

    I am no longer a vocal supporter of the Obama administration, as I have been incredibly disappointed with just about all of the decisions coming out of the White House over the last year and a half. Therefore, my following comment is not due to the fact that I am a “screaming, Pelosi liberal” as other posters who are unhappy with General McChrystal have been called.
    I personally am very saddened and angry by his conduct and comments for several reasons. The first being his flagrant lack of respect and protocol. I don’t care who the President of the United States is or what party he comes from – in the end of the day, he is still your Commander-in-Chief, and, if you fight under him, you don’t speak out of turn in such a flippant manner. He should know better with his experience.
    That brings me to my second point – If one of our top generals shows dissent and arrogance by mockingly opposing their commander, it makes our position as a nation look weak to those with whom we are in battle. When you are as accomplished in the field of combat as General McChrystal, you should have the intelligence and understanding of the repercussions of such behavior. This was an unbelievably novice error on his part.
    I had a lot of respect for General McChrystal, and am incredibly disappointed that he made such an idiotic error. I hope we can regain footing. However, while his statements were completely out of line, I don’t doubt that there was a lot of truth in what he said, and I hope that President Obama learns something from this harsh critique.

  • golfballtx

    He gave up any chance to be regarded seriously when he posted such liberal tripe as blaming Bush again!

    Idiot2

  • quentin10

    Obama needs to fire McCrystal, just like Truman fired McArthur. It is a dangerous precedent for our democracy when a general can denigrade his Commander in Chief with impunity. Obama is our elected president (in contrast to W he was elected by a very solid majority), and McCrystal is an appointed general.

    BTW, the venom directed against our president by a small subset of commentators here is also completely unpatriotic, inappropriate and unjustified. It is not easy cleaning up the mess the previous administration left this country and it will take time.

  • pintortwo

    Free, is Navy Commander Huber a “liberal”?
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    I’m hoping Obama has finally realized that Afghanistan is a bad investment, and that he can’t fix a violent, corrupt country by pouring arms and money into it. Unfortunately, I don’t think he’s there yet.
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    I also don’t think he’s reached the point where he’s ready to stand up to his generals and his Secretary of Defense. The singular failing of the Obama presidency may turn out to be that he kept David Petraeus, Ray Odierno, Mike Mullen, and Robert Gates on the job and that he put Petraeus protégé McChrystal, who was Dick Cheney’s personal assassin, in charge of Afghanistan.

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    It ‘s not a

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    lyndee, here in Virginia that is what your alien California import Republican Jim Allen the Senator called us. He lost my vote when he did that to us top income tax bracket professional immigrants who value higher education and family values here in VA. I voted for my hero D-Jim Webb, a true war hero. lyndee, it is a bit of sarcasm, but I will be happy to hear your views on HOW AND WHO WILL PAY For war? Sadly we do need to retain civilian control of the military. How Obama is a traitor to the constitution befuddles my intelligently designed limited brain. A muslim and marxist are sort of opposed to each other!! and is this fact or a bit of right wing racist white garbage? McChrystal expressed his frustration in a well thought out way to get to the people and undermined the CinC.. Now the CinC will NOt and should NOT fire him and i do believe BO has the guts to allow this sort of dissension, but I do not agree with the withdrawal strategy. That will not work, but then again Afghanistan has never been conquered. So the choice is to negotiate deals with Taleban and isolate Al-Qaeda. The final solution is a political one with a military strategy.

    I am yet to see an opinion on HOW we PAY? and please note you are in denial if you refuse to acknowledge compared to the incompetent Bush years Predator Drone attacks have nearly quadrupled as a direct result of Obama’s directive and the number of AQ operatives we killed are also a lot higher than under W. so small gains have been made.

    I like the idea of a war tax and the draft. Once Republican Chicken hawks start to die and lose their limbs and minds we will see a different tune. Rush Limbaugh after all avoided going to Vietnam on a pimple on his arse excuse!!

    And Cheney got 5 deferments and W used Daddy to pull strings to go fornicate with older women in Alabama. WOW what a bunch of patriots. Sure Obama is a typical anti war anti military Liberal too, but in the command and control structure the military commanders have ALWAYS been subordinate to the civilian ELECTED leaders. That shall remain. An apology will suffice. No need to fire anyone.

    Open your eyes and support the troops and REALIZE that pretending to support without sacrificing a goddamned penny makes you all traitors too. CALL FOR A WAR TAX TO PAY FOR WAR. Bush ran up 1.2trillion in two wars; one of them totally unnecessary.

  • roasue

    We have a President, who calls in ‘experts’ to fix a major oil leak. These people have not experience plugging a major leak. Now this same President sets rules of engagement that kill our troops. This is a war and we need to win it. General McChrystal is trying to win the war and save our troops lives. Too bad our President is on the same page. I’m sure Obama has a golf appointment later today, I think the Lakers are coming to the White House for a pickup game later. I also think tomorrow the concert and steak will be great.
    We need to FIRE the President.

  • quentin10

    Don’t you realize that your uninformed comments here reflect poorly on you? Kill the enemy? Are you stuck in some kind of computer game? Get a grip on reality…

  • porkdumpling

    You have no idea what you’re talking about, that’s clear.

  • diecash1

    We have a President, who calls in ‘experts’ to fix a major oil leak. These people have not experience plugging a major leak.

    Why yes, it appears that all that tremendous “experience” that BP has in plugging oil leaks has really paid off so far.

  • http://www.whatstrendingnow.com/ trendingnow

    Interesting. I bet if this had happen under G.W. Bush, Joe Klein would use this situation as a time to show the entire world how poorly planned the war strategy is being implemented. Which is exactly what he did when Bush was in office. I don’t expect Joe Klein to do the right thing, he gets paid to be an Liberal Hack. But you decent Libs should be observing how two faced your politicians, media writers, and talking heads have been since “O” has been elected. You should use this time to be honest with your self, and your friends and family members, and admit that “O” is not qualified to run this country at this perilous time. “O’s” core of beliefs will not allow him to implement the correct polices that could get the economy going again.
    I hate to admit it, but we would had been better off with Hillary Clinton as president.

  • jw5745

    McChrystal is a man among boys.

    Many boys…

  • pintortwo

    (oops… comment continued)
    .
    It ‘s not left vs. right thing, it’s what is the best way forward. Our current course in Afghanistan and Pakistan makes us less safe. Aghanistan should have been invaded to take-out AQ camps- Bush deserves credit for doing this. But AQ is gone, the goal has changed under Bush from protecting US citizens to projecting financial interests. Obama and his Pentagon follow the neoconservative plan, and several years in, we see that the plan has not helped financially, is a logistiocal impossibility and makes us less safe at home.

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    Seriously BP? BP is criminally liable and negligent. The oil leaks shows the LIMIT to our capacity to do stuff. How is that OBama’s fault? Where is the technology to seal a leak like this ? on Mars? or wait wait must be in Iraq where W said we had WMDs or perhaps it is found in Niger where the yellow cake was!!

  • quentin10

    UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE

    ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
    Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

  • robbert5

    And what do you get when you have someone who ran 3 businesses into the ground? Yep, someone who runs the country in the ground.

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    Some rightwing idiot will now say it is “liberal tripe” that you posted!! I was trying to tell people the genesis of the problem and how W did drop the ball and it is liberal tripe? How is BO to change stuff in less than 2 years when it took 8 years and even longer to develop? seriously Republicans and rightwingers what is your track record? did you sacrifice and pay 1.2 trillion or ask the question on how we pay? Even Clinton is to blame in the sense they did not take the threats emanating from Afg-PAk seriously and US policy favoring Gen, Musharaff did not pay off either. I bet a lot of the fools posting here have no clue where Afghanistan is on the map!!

  • T-231

    I guess Barry is breaking out those a*s kicking boots!

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    Do we launch a full fledged attack inside Pakistan? Do we have the resources and the balls to them face the backlash? Seriously folks. Do you realize these are not simple Beck or Limbaugh issues except for the right wing Christian ostriches. Do we go have an all out war? Do we want one and can we afford one that will drag Pakistan into it?

  • kzuber

    “What is important to me, though, is civilian control of the military. That is, after all, what protects us from dictatorship. This guy and his staff must be fired and replaced.”

    It’s the following of the constitution that prevents dictatorship. Civilian control of the military might prevent a military dictatorship, but not a Civilian one. One of the hallmarks of a dictatorship is that it cannot tolerate discent. We have an administration that has a hard time with discent. We also have an administration headed by a Constitutional lawyer that doesn’t even desire to follow it. From the usurpation of States powers to forced health care and presidential qualifications, we already have problems. Someone definitely should be removed, and it’s not the military brass.

  • bbiiggblackdog

    Joe, Who’s going to cut your grass when all the illegals are gone?

  • dencal26

    The new rules of engagement came DIRECTLY from Obama. Stop blaming others. Did Klein call for Shinseki to be ousted for disagreeing with Bush?

  • dencal26

    Do it right or don’t do it at all. You understand this?

  • dencal26

    I am sure YOU can’t find Afghanistan on a map. I have been there. You forget that pre 911 we had no relations with Pakistan and no other way of invading Afghanistan which is landlocked. We had to make a deal with Musharaff for use of his airfields and overflight rights. Your every post is left right dribble. Not everything is left and right, Some things are right or wrong. You sound brainwashed

    61.1Some rightwing idiot will now say it is “liberal tripe” that you posted!! I was trying to tell people the genesis of the problem and how W did drop the ball and it is liberal tripe? How is BO to change stuff in less than 2 years when it took 8 years and even longer to develop? seriously Republicans and rightwingers what is your track record? did you sacrifice and pay 1.2 trillion or ask the question on how we pay? Even Clinton is to blame in the sense they did not take the threats emanating from Afg-PAk seriously and US policy favoring Gen, Musharaff did not pay off either. I bet a lot of the fools posting here have no clue where Afghanistan is on the map!!
    macacayankee
    June 22, 2010

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/06/22/mcchrystal/comment-page-3/#comment-176037#ixzz0rbQMcE6X

  • dencal26

    Again macayyankee displays his brainwashed extremism. Cannot post one thought without some dribble

    57.2Seriously BP? BP is criminally liable and negligent. The oil leaks shows the LIMIT to our capacity to do stuff. How is that OBama’s fault? Where is the technology to seal a leak like this ? on Mars? or wait wait must be in Iraq where W said we had WMDs or perhaps it is found in Niger where the yellow cake was!!
    macacayankee
    June 22, 2010

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/06/22/mcchrystal/comment-page-3/#comment-176039#ixzz0rbRdAR24

  • nflfoghorn

    Never stopped these blowhards before, apparently. This is verbal diarrhea of Deepwater Horizon proportions.

  • demsevil

    We need the people such as this great general that are protecting our civil liberties and our Constitution to stand up to this administration, Congress, and Senate. We have no representation in our Nation but plenty of taxation. These people have to be run out of our country and soon!!

  • apeon

    ((I don’t know what I’m talking about when it comes to military strategy))
    You got THAT right—the proper use of military force occurs when diplomancy fails—Being attacked militarily as in NYC establishes the Diplomatice Failure—-There are then two choices–1…Surrender——-2….Fight—————the Proper: use of the Military is to hit the enemy with everything you have that works. Democrats–since Jefferson—have a fatal reluctance to use Force—they do not understand how to use Force…..therefore they fail—-It is really simple—Kill the Enemy—BEFORE he kills YOU

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    Shimseki was proven right and fired after some dirty mud slinging 6 months prior to his resignation. Shimseki was right. No, I doubt if Joe Klein said anything then. I too voted for BO mostly on the war and the corruption and recession Bush got us into. I think next time I will abstain unless it is a sensible moderate like Mitt Romney or Meg Whitman. I cannot vote for the Alaskan god-twit in the skirt with no brains.

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    really WHO has the technology to stop the leak? BP? BP is criminally liable. Get your head out of the sand pit. No one has the technology and the Gulf economy willsuffer at least for 2 more decades unless you are an idiot who listens to that Limbaugh boy who is probably popping pills again.. Cheers and relax..

  • jack433

    Klein: “The lack of discipline and the disrespect he has shown his Commander-in-Chief are very much at odds with military tradition and practice.”

    Pull your head out, Klein, that odor isn’t very pleasant is it. You should be stating:

    “The lack of discipline and the disrespect Obama has shown the Constitution is very much at odds with the Founders and the fundamental tenets of this Nation.”

  • scytherius

    “Speaking your mind” is NOT some wonderful skill set. Of course one should be honest and forthright. However, just “speaking your mind” demonstrates a narrow ignorant skill set. people like that should not be allowed to work with people.

    Time for this incompetent to leave.

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    Think logically. if BO is a “traitor” then why the bloody hell is he retaining Bush’s Secretary of Defense and trusts him? Hmm? Should he not be having a bra burning liberal from San Fran in charge? Gates is doing his best. Gates is taking on the corrupt Politicians and the military establishment which wants to waste money on defense systems we cannot afford nor need to fight asymmetrical wars. So seriously use LOGIC. WHY IS GATES a top Republican and great American civil servant the Secy of Defense when he was W’s Secy too?

    HOW WILL WE PAY 1.2trillion. Answer that question logically please. I support an extended stay in Afghanistan and i said it many times I think the CinC’s time constraints are foolish. I also support a war tax and a draft.

  • lynndee

    Right. Experts should not be called in to fix oil leaks. If Obama can’t plug the leak himself, what good is he?

  • lynndee

    “The lack of discipline and the disrespect Obama has shown the Constitution is very much at odds with the Founders and the fundamental tenets of this Nation.”

    Care to support this preposterous statement? And please, no tea-baggah talking points. Make your case.

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    seriously you say we had no relations with Pakistan? OH MY MY,, For the longest time during the Cold war, Pakistan was our ally while it was mostly run by military dictators(Ayub Khan and Yahya Kan, Zia, Musharaff) while India being a SECULAR democracy was backed by the Soviets. We ALWAYS backed Pakistan except in its war with India over Bangladesh in 1971. Pakistan has always been a US ally and the conduit for arming Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Wahabi zealots to fight the Soviets. I am sad you are so ignorant. Only after 9.11 did we realize that SECULAR India with its third largest moslem population is a better ally. We always backed Pakistan in a limited manner and supplied F-16s to them for their defensive needs too during the cold war. Now we have a situation where we have superb relations with India(not out of love but out of strategic and economic necessity) thanks to Clinton, W Bush and Hillary. That has Pakistan a bit jittery about us. But NW PAkistan became the veritable arms bazaar it is now because of us supporting, arming and financing and training the Islamic whack jobs to fight the Soviets. i am sad you are so uninformed. WE have always had diplomatic relationships with both S.Asian nuclear powers but we favored Pakistan until the events of 9.11. Reagan afterall called the Bin Ladens of the world “Freedom Fighters”. Please study facts of history old chap.

  • formerlyjames

    I would like to say that I have enjoyed the contributions of all of the Drudge Sludgers on this thread.

    But I haven’t, so I won’t.

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    read declassified govt documents available to you under FIA. More than 5 billion dollars of weapons including Stingers were supplied to Islamic nut jobs during the last year of Jimmy Carter’s regime and through Reagan’s years. The conduit was Pakistan and Pakistan and its ISI were actively used by the CIA to arm these Jihadi whackos prime amongst it was Bin Laden. Pakistan’s natural enemy is India. Please read stuff before putting convoluted conservative cracked theories. Go ahead and read facts and data and real events please. Thanks.

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    How do we PAY? please anyone. how do we Americans pay for war and sacrifice?

  • libertyballs

    Despite 9-11, the country was running well until Democrats got control of the congress and the senate in the 2006 elections. Bush tried to stop the mortgage meltdown, and talked to Barney likes Franks in 2002, but the Democrats just flipped him the bird. The Democrats are running up the 13 trillion dollar deficit at a million dollars a minute, and …. wait, these are facts, why bother on Democrats with math and science and facts.

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    We backed Musharaff for the longest time until it became politically untenable for us in volatile Pakistan. Blow Back is a bitch. we did not get airfields except secret arrangements. That is why we rely on Krygstan as the main point of entry. As long as the war goes on and drugs become a huge problems for Russia, we might see Russia getting involved as well.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    But it IS an education of sorts……..

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    just a different view you won’t find in the liberal msm here
    http://www.ittefaq.com/issues/2010/06/21/news0593.htm

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    Ah above all neither W nor BO has the guts to call Saudis for what they did on 9.11 to us and also tell the world the Saudi role in arming and training wahabi zealots. As long as we need their cheap oil we will kiss and hold hands with their royalty like Bush did(making the liberals angry) or bow to them like BO did(making the conservatives angry).. Amazing how all these wars are indirectly or directly linked to energy policy. I bet the Conservatives do not know 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis and none were Iraqis. ooops we went to war in the wrong place.. OMG OMG

  • irishalaman

    The pathetic thing is Klein does not give a rat’s petuty about rules of engagement and our troops dying. Someone has dissed his main Muslim and he can not stand the truth. McChrystal did not come up with these rules KLEIN and you KNOW it… What a joke. every time I see his name as a writer I wonder how much longer TIME will be in operation…

  • chicagojohn

    Yes… God forbid that we should have a military leader who speaks their mind. Can’t have that. Nope. Should have someone who just kinda gets along.

    Look… if the problem with McChrystal was that he was obsessed with politics, or getting along, or climbing rank… I’d be all over his dismissal. But that he’s questioning the strategy that we are using? That’s pretty much what I want ANY military leader to do, every single day, even if he’s the one who thought up the strategy. The day that I want everyone in our military to go along without any griping is the day that our military looks like China’s. And that is truly frightening.

  • 76patriot

    Joe Kline should resign or be fired….he is not a true journalist! Time would do itself a great benefit if they fired Joe Kline!

  • 76patriot

    By Thomas Sowell
    When Adolf Hitler was building up the Nazi movement in the 1920s, leading up to his taking power in the 1930s, he deliberately sought to activate people who did not normally pay much attention to politics.

    Such people were a valuable addition to his political base, since they were particularly susceptible to Hitler’s rhetoric and had far less basis for questioning his assumptions or his conclusions.

    “Useful idiots” was the term supposedly coined by V.I. Lenin to describe similarly unthinking supporters of his dictatorship in the Soviet Union.

    Put differently, a democracy needs informed citizens if it is to thrive, or ultimately even survive.

    In our times, American democracy is being dismantled, piece by piece, before our very eyes by the current administration in Washington, and few people seem to be concerned about it.

    The president’s poll numbers are going down because increasing numbers of people disagree with particular policies of his, but the damage being done to the fundamental structure of this nation goes far beyond particular counterproductive policies.

    Just where in the Constitution of the United States does it say that a president has the authority to extract vast sums of money from a private enterprise and distribute it as he sees fit to whomever he deems worthy of compensation? Nowhere.

    And yet that is precisely what is happening with a $20 billion fund to be provided by BP to compensate people harmed by their oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

    Many among the public and in the media may think that the issue is simply whether BP’s oil spill has damaged many people, who ought to be compensated.

    But our government is supposed to be “a government of laws and not of men.”

    If our laws and our institutions determine that BP ought to pay $20 billion — or $50 billion or $100 billion — then so be it.

    But the Constitution says that private property is not to be confiscated by the government without “due process of law.”

    Technically, it has not been confiscated by Barack Obama, but that is a distinction without a difference.

    With vastly expanded powers of government available at the discretion of politicians and bureaucrats, private individuals and organizations can be forced into accepting the imposition of powers that were never granted to the government by the Constitution.

    If you believe that the end justifies the means, then you don’t believe in constitutional government.

  • pintortwo

    I’m hoping Obama has finally realized that Afghanistan is a bad investment, and that he can’t fix a violent, corrupt country by pouring arms and money into it. Unfortunately, I don’t think he’s there yet.
    .
    I also don’t think he’s reached the point where he’s ready to stand up to his generals and his Secretary of Defense. The singular failing of the Obama presidency may turn out to be that he kept David Petraeus, Ray Odierno, Mike Mullen, and Robert Gates on the job and that he put Petraeus protégé McChrystal… in charge of Afghanistan.

    -US Navy Commander Jeff Huber (link)
    .
    I hope that this is the opening where Obama can begin to get rid of the entire neoconservative-appointed defense team assembled under Bush and elevate competent replacements with the order to get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. (I expect to be disapointed…)
    .
    It’s not a battle of left vs right- we need to evaluate what will make us more safe.
    .
    After al Qaeda camps were eliminated from Afghanistan, Rumsfeld was given authority to build a network of military bases- this is the neoconservative plan to create an American Empire- literally, it is the Project for a New American Century. Obama has allowed this plan to continue under his watch. A review of our occupation shows that we have been made less safe (as indivuals are inspired to terror in retaliation for civilian deaths in Af/Pak) and we have paid a huge toll in blood and money.
    .
    National Security is the debate here, not the foodfight that it often devolves to. We need to change course.

  • diecash1

    Bush tried to stop the mortgage meltdown

    Really? Why don’t you delineate precisely how W did so. When you finish with that exercise in fantasy perhaps you’ll realize that W and the Republicans controlled the Congress and the WH from 2000-2006 so they had plenty of opportunity to change whatever they wanted and they did nothing but make it worse.

  • whisper12345

    Joe, good for you for asking for the General to be sacked.

    Unfortunately, such comments are about half a trillion dollars and one unnecessary war too late.

    Even if he is sacked, the Military will still have too much power over the politics of out country, with the even more dangerous precedent of private contractors who overcharge and under perform, with men like McChrystal all too willing to allow it (and indeed many Pentagon retirees are profiting from it).

  • swissArmyBrainBETA

    assertion: all it takes to win elections is being black.
    .
    Alvin Green puts this to the test in november, stay tuned

  • daltonii

    I don’t think I’ve ever read such disgusting and infantile comments from a man of his stature. Between him and his staff, they sound like rednecks, discussing their boos on a construction site, versus the Commander In Chief and their own President.

    Regardless of his expertise, he deserves to be fired and potentially dismissed from the military.

    If an enlisted man or even a low level officer had said such things in an open forum (a national publication like Rolling Stone no less), he or she would be gone.

  • nflfoghorn

    Now that Sowell guy – he’s a TRUE journalist! Plus, he’s BLACK!!!

  • swissArmyBrainBETA

    thing is, its NOT a half measure. its what the generals asked for and agreed to.

  • porkdumpling

    Most of the comments attributed to McChrystal and his aides were juvenile carping, not substantive criticism or insight. It showed insubordination and contempt for his superiors that showed McChrystal as the fool, not his targets. Which is why he’s on his knees today apologizing his *ss off. Which is why figures from both parties and left and right are calling for his head.
    .
    The worst part about that article is that it revealed McChrystal to be a clumsy fool, unable to show discretion or control his immature aides. There is no reason to have such a fool as in charge of such an important mission.

  • kathy

    Joe – Jeffrey Goldberg, agreeing with, says this:

    “I remember once in Iraq being made to feel profoundly uncomfortable by an Army colonel who was openly scornful of President Bush’s tactical leadership of the war effort (this was well-before the surge). I didn’t disagree with his analysis one bit, but I thought it was deeply inappropriate, and even nervous-making, to hear a senior military leader disparaging his commander.”

    The difference is that neither Goldberg, nor you, reported to the world how the military commanders felt about their CIC.

    Know thy profilers.

  • golfballtx

    Decent Libs???? Talk about a contradiction in terms. I would have said oxymoron, but a lot of them would be offended by my calling an ox a moron.

  • mjkoch

    Contrary to what some people think leaving McChrystal in his present position would not make Obama seem strong, it would validate the concern in the Pentagon that he is weak.

    Obama must finally exert some leadership and make a tough, but correct call and remove McChrystal from his command immediately, otherwise Obama will show the world, including our adversaries, how weak he is.

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    Its a win win for the general and those of us who do not agree with the President’s ‘war strategy’. Has it occured to any of you Obama lovers that the general may have known he would be fired but that it was worth it to bring out some information about his boss because its extremely difficult to win a war under this administration’s direction? Whether he’s fired or not, this incident brings out the debate over what exactly Obama is doing with our military. Perhaps the general has weighed the options and decided to come out with his opinion for the sake of saving his soldier’s lives. In case you haven’t guessed I am the daughter of a retired military officer and I can tell you that these generals and high ranking officers are keenly aware every minute of their days that our soldiers’ lives are at stake and if it means saving just one American man or woman, they’ll kiss their entire career good-bye.

  • utilitycurve

    Or did the General act out of an abundance of affection for the U.S., trading HIS position of influence and power for Helen Thomas-styled self-immolation deliberately (unlike Helen, who surely wanted to be the first centenarian to cover the Whiter House!)? Could it be that he concluded that the Administration was headed for failure in Afghanistan, a failure he could not prevent, and decided to declare the emperor had no clothes?

    Yes, from a perspective of military discipline, it would be far preferable to resign before criticizing, but since it would not include the public crucifixion, it would not receive nearly so much attention. (How many retired generals pontificate for the networks?) Indeed, I would argue that without the Crucifixion and Resurrection, Jesus would have been a tragic, but poorly-known historical figure. It is in actually wagering something that our commitment is demonstrated. McChrystal was all-in, that’s for sure.

    Everyone remembers MacArthur, many for getting sacked by Truman as much as his performance in the Philippines. No one disputes that he showed the president great contempt (or at least disrespect) and that Truman was right, by the lights of military discipline and civilian control, to dismiss him. But no one has forgotten him, and the issues on the war-fighting strategy of the Korean War he raised, burn in history books till today, It may be so for the Afghan conflict (though I hope the expenditure of American blood and treasure in Afghanistan produces a better outcome 60 years later than our Korean efforts).

  • freeinpa

    ” The singular failing of the Obama presidency ..”

    It may be a failure but it certainly won’t be a singular one. The MSM media took the guided tour during the campaign. The Community Organizer’s single solution was close it down and withdraw the troops. As I said before it is always easier to lead a country on the campaign trail than from the Oval Office.We are seeing in HC, employment, oil spill a giant empty suit in the White House.

  • porkdumpling

    Exactly what information was revealed? The only things reported were immature comments.
    .
    And if he meant to do this, he’s truly an idiot, as he’s tarred his reputation with all but the nutcases like you. His actions have put the men and women on the front lines in *more* danger, not less. As a military brat, you should see that, if only you weren’t so short-sighted.

  • porkdumpling

    Bush failed to get bin Laden in Tora Bora because he pulled troops for Iraq. Had he stuck to our narrow mission, we would not be in Afghanistan 9 years later.

  • porkdumpling

    You should talk, free. From the current crop of Republicans bandied about for 2012, there is not one that could field that 3 am call. Not one.

  • 76patriot

    This is the guy blacks should respect…not stinkle barry…the worst and most anti-American history in history!

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    How does this put the soldiers in more danger? By the way, when McCain kept saying we needed more troops in Iraq and that Bush wasn’t doing enough I agreed with him. I didn’t vote for McCain but in that instance I had great respect for his opinion. He understood what its like when you’re trying to fight a war and you don’t have full support in Washington. As one of the earlier comments on this blog pointed out, there are a lot of good generals ready to step in if McCrystal goes down. I actually like Obama as a person. I don’t think he’s evil or un-American. I just think he and his staff are coming from the wrong ideology. Just like I didn’t think Bush was economically savvy, I don’t think Obama understands what it takes to win a war (and I don’t pretend that I am the big expert either). I think Mr. Biden has his moments of clarity on this subject as does Hillary but that we need a strong leader who is willing to listen to his generals.

  • 76patriot

    Declaration of Independence…Governments are instituted among Men; deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends; it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it; and to institute new Government.

  • iconoclast1

    Some of the comments here, from libertyballs and others, are just pathetically misinformed. Things were not “running smoothly” when Bush was president. He presided over the worst economic debacle since the Great Depression. The mortgage meltdown was allowed to happen because the Bush administration did not believe in government oversight or regulation. Things started to unravel BEFORE Democrats regained a majority in Congress. The Bush administration totally botched 2 wars and got us into one of those on false pretenses. As for the national debt – all of that is attributable to Republican administrations. It was less than $1 trillion before Reagan and Bush Sr. more than quadrupled it. It took Clinton 8 years to undo that damage and turn over surpluses to Bush Jr., only to see him completely squander that fiscal progress. By the time Bush left office, the economy was in freefall, the projected annual deficit was $1.2 trillion, and he had racked up almost $5 trillion more in federal debt.

  • mindy7

    I agree that you’re never to criticize the C in Chief in public. But we can only imagine how difficult it must be to keep quiet when you’re dealing with a President who has no military experience, no respect for the military, commands no trust from the military or our allies, and who disregards and disrespects the requests/pleas from the General in 2009 for more troops. Our President took over 2 months to respond when our soldiers were being killed or injured. The President then issues a timetable to start withdrawing in 2011. How naive and does nothing but help the enemy. His actions or lack of action is not only disgraceful, but unethical and immoral to our troops.

    This makes me so angry and sad because it totally reminds me of how the war was executed in Vietnam. We lost, not because we couldn’t win, but because politics interfered with the execution and it became a disaster. Either do everything it takes to win or leave.
    If only the generals had spoken out then. So I applaud General McCrystal. So what if he ignores protocol and/or gets fired? We’re talking about people’s lives…our soldiers and the Afghan people. President Obama is waging an immoral, unethical war(as did Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon) by not giving them the support or directions to do all that’s necessary to win (whatever the definition is) or leave at once.

  • fhmadvocat

    It is amazing how the wingnuts denigrate Obama as Commander in Chief. Please oh please, I would love for one of them to provide a factual basis for that judgment, other than their not-so-humble opinion.

    What has Obama done wrong? Let’s see . . . . . . . . .

    Under Obama, Al-Queda has been on the run not seen since the first days of the invasion of Afghanistan. The Obama administration has put some teeth into the drone program and they are nailing Al Queda operatives in Pakistan like never before.

    Obama is slowly pulling the troops out of Iraq, the war which distracted our forces from fighting the people who attacked us and diverted our resources against a tin pot dictator who couldn’t threaten Kuwait again, let alone be a threat to the United States.

    Under Obama, we rescued American sailor from Somali pirates, without suffering losing one American life.

    As far as taking the fight to the enemy, one American who was held captive by the Taliban spoke of how the Taliban hated Obama much more than Bush because they viewed Obama as a much bigger threat.

    As far as McCrystal goes, I remind people of one great general, much greater than McCrystal challenged a president as green as Obama in an endless war. As that president once said, “The Buck stops here!” That general was fired and the world did not cave in. And so McCrystal needs to be relieved of his command. It is not just the public disrespect he demonstrated to his civilian commanders, but the disrespect he allowed his subordinates to show to the civilian command.

    Granted most of the good things that have happened have little to do with Obama’s ability as Commander-in-Chief. However, the idea that he will bring the country to ruin in 4 years or 8 years is utter nonsense.

    To my knowledge, only one president in recent history has cut and run when the chips were down. That was President Reagan, who pulled troops out of Lebanon after a terrorist attack. That was the first instance that Osama Bin Laden learned to believe America was weak.

    By the way, for all of you Tea Party types. Just remember our founding fathers were very suspicious of a powerful military and most of them used their power to dismantle the military following the War of Independence. They (including George Washington) would be horrified by how big and powerful our military has become. If you don’t believe me about their concerns about a powerful military, look it up yourselves.

  • pintortwo

    What is it that the Generals wanted and Obama has not given them?

  • fhmadvocat

    76patriot,

    I have been reading Thomas Sowell for years. Where was his criticism of the Bush administration when it claimed power under the Patriot Act? Have you ever read the Patriot Act? Well, neither has Congress. The Patriot Act was the greatest power grab in American history and where was Sowell to criticize Bush? Nowhere to be seen!

    For that matter, where were all the so-called American patriots? Those of us who protested were called un-American. I remember telling my conservative friends that they would hate the Patriot Act once a Liberal was elected president and now they are howling!

    I also find it ironic that Conservatives are now arguing for the Due Process of Law, while they ignored Bush holding Americans without the due process of law. Where were they to defend the rights of Jose Pedilla, an American who was held without charges for several years! Now you want to argue Due Process of Law, because the President requested BP pay for the damage it did to the economy?

    So the country should wait while BP is taken to court and the trial lawyers make all the money and people’s claims are not paid for years, while their business go into bankruptcy.

    Please, BP, agreed to this “shakedown” the same way the rabbit wanted to be thrown in to the briar patch. It in the end, BP will save millions of dollars. Obama will look tough, and that he is doing something. Its a win-win for the Obama administration and BP. The only people who lose are the trial lawyers and those who want Obama to fail.

  • porkdumpling

    Abbey, you claim to be a military brat so it should be crystal clear to you. There needs to be unanimity of mission from those at the top that spreads to the rank and file. Any dissent among the higher ups needs to be expressed in private and hashed out, with the President as the ultimate decision maker. Once that command issues forth, it is not the generals or other military to question the edict, only to carry it out. If McChrystal disagreed he was free to resign and let another who can faithfully execute step in.
    .
    This single minded purpose saves lives. What McChrystal and his buffoons did in the Rolling Stone interview is instill doubt about his dedication and undermined his bosses, not only Obama, but Biden, Gates, Mullen, Petraeus and the entire diplomatic corps. That is insubordination of the first order, and a hundred years ago he would have been either hanged or shot, or court-martialed in disgrace. Ask your father if that’s not the truth.

  • colokent

    Yes, from a purely professional standpoint, McChrystal should have realized that he needed to keep his mouth shut.

    However, it is important for everyone to take this opportunity to AGAIN take note of a recurring theme with “The Dear Leader” (aka BHO): The utter venom with which he, Rahm, Gibbs, and the rest of his Chicago political machine thugs will not tolerate ANY (and I mean ANY) dissent from anyone. As usual, I have to chuckle as I watch libs STILL flailing about, as they continue to roll out Bush and Cheney as the ubiquitous scapegoats for ANYTHING that has not been to their liking for the past 15 years. Make no mistake– the thugs in the White House have no morals– only an ongoing and psychotic lust for power.

    Let’s hope we can throw as many of them out on their duffs as possible, and return America to a course with a bright future– Once again, the libs are like a monkey with a football when it comes to governing.

  • colokent

    “fhmadvocat”– I think what you are REALLY angry about is the fact that every dollar spent on defense can’t be spent on libby programs designed to create a nation of economic crack babies that are beholden to “The Dear Leader” and his ilk (Reid, Pelosi, Frank, and the rest of “Crime, Inc.”).

    I for one, don’t plan to stand idly by and let my earnings be siphoned away by “Da Gubment”, so that people like you can decide how it should “best” be spent buying votes and punishing “The Rich” (i.e. anyone not on GUBMENT handouts, and hence controllable by “The Dear Leader”). Remember, poor people do not create jobs– and rich people create fewer jobs when they are being “punished” by “The Dear Leader” for being successful. Thanks to the punitive actions of “The Dear Leader” and his henchmen, I guess there will be a lot of unemployed libs freezing to death in the dark this winter….see, this governing thing is kind of different than being a self-appointed judge of others and community organizer.

  • colokent

    I’m sure glad that Rolling Stone article didn’t have an agenda: “…to keep up the fiction, in essence, that we actually have allies. “. Now that’s a quote that would do Kieth Obermann and the MSNBC news team proud.

    Remember libs, McChrytal’s comments were stock in trade a few years ago when each of you were out dredging up ANY military leader (or former one, for that matter) who was against the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld approach to war. Remember? Sure you do. McChrystal would have been hailed as a “true speaking patriot”.

    But as another poster said, since he’s pointing out the incompetence of “The Dear Leader” and his henchmen…you seem much less enthralled at his plain speaking approach.

    Could it be because perhaps governing– and winning a brutal war is perhaps just a step too far from being a machine politician? Hmmmm….I think so.

  • diecash1

    The utter venom with which he, Rahm, Gibbs, and the rest of his Chicago political machine thugs will not tolerate ANY (and I mean ANY) dissent from anyone.

    I take it from your consistent use of the phrase “dear leader” that you are nothing more than an ignorant troll. None the less, how is it that McChrystal has any right to dissent? What he and his aides did was textbook insubordination and should be treated as such. Lawful dissent is fine and I don’t believe anyone has a problem with that. Last I checked, “free speech zones” were the creation of your pal W because he would cry if dissenters were withing shouting distance of him.

  • diecash1

    the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld approach to war

    What an utter joke that was. Start a war in Afghanistan to root out Al Qaeda and lose OBL at Tora Bora due to a lack of will to commit the necessary troops and later, just when we’re making progress, start a completely unnecessary war in Iraq. Talk about not having a clue. W left office having summarily botched both wars and hoping Obama would clean up his mess. Yep, that W was some leader.

    winning a brutal war

    How exactly was W doing that? By pulling forces away from Afghanistan and miring us in an unnecessary war in Iraq? Yet another brilliant neocon plan.

  • porkdumpling

    You sound completely insane. Cue your rant about “precious bodily fluids.”

  • porkdumpling

    Proof?
    .
    Do you have the name of a single military leader who publicly, on-the-record with reporter, disparaged Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld in an insubordinate manner? Please name him or her.

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    READ THE SECTION ON THE CONSTITUTION PLEASE.
    Article 2 -Section 2 – Civilian Power Over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments

    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    well said porkdumpling. General Shimseki spoke out before we foolishly ran into Iraq and was fired after the Whitehouse did a mudslinging job under Cheney. Where were these tea party fools when the Bush whitehouse ruined us all? I am ok with any and all criticism of Obama, but it must come from consistency and not selective incidents. Bush bungled IRaq big time and went to war in the wrong place. Unbelievable how after being given his troops and even asking them to ship them faster than the army said they could, MacChrystal is trying to pass the buck.

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    remind me again WHO ran up the deficits and who said “Deficits don’t matter ” and destroyed the Clinton era surplus and signed the unfunded prescription drug mandate and ran into war in Iraq under false pretenses and screwed up the real war efforts please? WHO again was it? Conservatives who said we will be greeted as liberators and got us bogged down. It has cost us 1,2 Trillion and the tax cuts for the rich tiers did NOT HELP us one bit. I paid 63,500 odd in Federal Income tax and I am ok with it. Those paranoid uneducated tea baggers dont know how we can fight wars and cut taxes in a massive recession that started under W.. Oh again, wait they did not have to feign outrage now.. Apparently everything was like Disneyworld when they ran this country(to the ground). We are bogged down in two wars we will not extricate ourselves for another 20 years. Time for all of us to pony up.

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    It is only in a Soviet or China or other crude dictatorship where top military generals never voice their opinion when the conviction is strong. Yes, we should have military follow orders and carry out the policies of the commander in chief, but there have been great exceptions when generals are faced with impossible missions such as the one in Afghanastan. I was just listening to Captian Dale Dye who is a consultant for movie makers and a frequent commentator on radio and television out here in the west. He said that McCrystal did the right thing because of the arbitrary deadlines that the Obama administration has imposed on the military. Obama has basically said, if we can’t do it by 2011 then pull out. That’s just plain insanity and no general can operate under those conditions. Imagine Roosevelt or Truman telling General Eisenhower, if you can’t win against Hitler by next year, we’re leaving. McCrystal is no ‘buffoon’ as a previous commentator said here. He is doing what he has to do to get the job done and if it means being called names then that’s what it takes. Its all so easy when you’re back here in the US safe and comfortable to cast judgements on the generals who spend their whole lives training for this kind of thing only to have a bunch of polititian dismantle everything back home. By the way, if you’ve ever seen the movie Patton, check out how many times he got in trouble for speaking his mind and histry has shown that he was one of our greatest generals.

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    well said and with facts. unlike the tea partiers. Wow for them Reagan was a hero !! Reagan got involved in Lebanon and cut and ran after the marine barrack tragedy. And also HOW DO WE PAY for war? Really Can the tea partiers tell us all how we can find the funds for war while as they say “keep the gummint out of our lives but dont mess with our medicare” when Medicare IS A BIG GUMMINT PROGRAM. Try cutting or reducing medicare benefits or upping the entitlement age and they will shout socialist socialist but lo and behold MEDICARE IS A GUMMINT PROGRAM… Oh my gosh.. I know several people who ran and got on it the day they became eligible while saying they dont trust the gummint or that their taxes are too much and they dont want gummint programs, omg omg.

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    how did the economy pan out for you under Bush’s tax cuts? I got benefits..But the recession and the deficits started under him. I bet the economy was flourishing back then eh old chap?

  • http://macacayankee.wordpress.com macacayankee

    Why don’t you watch “Charlie Wilson’s war” in case you are unable to go to a Library or research FACTs and events concerning Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and how Afg-Pak became the hell hole for us please?

  • diecash1

    generals who spend their whole lives training for this kind of thing only to have a bunch of polititian dismantle everything back home

    Perhaps you’re unclear on the relationship between the military and the government; the military answers to our elected leader, the President, and he and the other politicians are answerable to us. If you find that problematic, perhaps you would be more at home living in a country with a tinhorn dictator. Maybe Burma would be more to your liking where the junta makes the decisions and is answerable to no one.

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    Why don’t you look up how the two world wars in Europe came to be? There’s always a lot of blame to go around but that doesn’t take away from the fact that there’s work to be done to keep civilization from eroding into chaos.

  • findzamzuudotcom

    EDWIN STARR SANG IT BEST. These are the lyrics:STOP THE WAR NOW!

    All right, yeah
    Make the sound of peace
    And sing now

    (Stop the war) ow (now)
    Everybody
    Don’t put it off another day
    Make your voices roar

    (Stop the war) ow (now)
    Just like thunder, y’all
    (Don’t put it off) hey, another day
    Sing a song now

    (Stop the war) ow (now)
    Listen to me, y’all
    (Don’t put it off) ow, another day
    Listen to me

    A knock on the door
    There’s a letter from the war
    Sayin’, greetings, we want you
    If I refuse to fight
    They say that that ain’t right
    And time you’ll have to do

    Somebody please tell me
    What is war all about
    And why must I kill against my will
    I just can’t figure it out

    Oh, stop the war now
    Good God, hear me saying
    Don’t put it off another day
    Everybody saying

    Stop the war now
    Now, now, now
    Don’t put it off another day
    All we got to do is listen

    (Give peace a chance)
    Don’t throw another life away
    Listen to me now

    This is bout all the soldiers
    That are dead and gone today
    If you asked them to fight again
    Huh, what do you think they’d say

    I’m not trying to be funny
    I’m just trying to get my point across
    War is world’s enemy number one
    And it’s time that we called it off

    Ow, stop the war, now
    Good God, hear me saying
    Don’t put it off another day
    Everybody singing

    (Stop the war) ow
    Now, now, now, now
    Don’t put it off another day
    All we got to do is, Lord

    Give peace a chance
    And don’t, don’t throw
    Another life away, oh

    War casualties pile up each day
    Cemeteries are overflowing
    The leaders of the world claim victory’s near
    But the death list keeps right on growing

    And what does a mother get in return
    For the life of the son she’s lost
    A few measly pennies a month
    A medal, a grave and a doggone cross

    I said, stop the war now
    Good God, hear me saying
    Don’t put it off another day
    Everybody sing

    Stop the war, now
    Now, now, now
    Don’t put it off another day
    Why can’t we just

    (Give peace a chance)
    Please don’t throw another life away
    Can’t you see

    Enough blood’s been she’d
    By the wounded and the dead
    Enough blood’s been she’d
    By the wounded and the dead, ohh

    Enough blood’s been she’d
    By the wounded and the dead, ohh

    (Stop the war) listen (now)
    Good God, everybody
    (Don’t put it off) ow
    Not another day now

    (Stop the war) ow
    Now, now, now, now
    (Don’t put it off) ow, another day
    This is a message to the
    Leaders of the world

    (Give peace a chance)
    Oh, let’s make
    Tomorrow a brighter day
    Stand up

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    Its amazing to me how libs think its so cool for generals and everyone else to protest a war they don’t want to fight but then when a general speaks his mind, you pull out this obey the commander in chief routine. Libs can’t seem to operate without their double standards.

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    Sorry, I meant when a general speaks his mind against their guy.

  • diecash1

    If they wish to speak their mind, they do the honorable thing and resign their commission and retire. Then they are free to voice their opinions on any network fit to have them. Notice how many did just that when W was in charge.

  • stewartiii

    NewsBusters| Flashback: Media Promoted Military Criticism of President Bush
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2010/06/22/flashback-media-promoted-military-criticism-president-bush

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    they tried that in the 60′s and millions died, as Kojak used to say “Kum by ya baby”

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    Great article stewartiii. Thanks for posting. what’d I tell ya guys, double standards.

  • findzamzuudotcom

    You know, they that are in power have used us to fight against one another and have divided us over positions of being too liberal or too left wing, or too white, too black, too brown, too yellow, too red..too gay, too straight, and on and on and on.

    In reality we’re all too broke too pay attention because they have stolen our money and have given it to-Big Oil-to Big Pharma-To Big Corporation and they outsmart us because we are too dumb to see that they do not have the people’s interest at all.
    When was the last time a regular old working man/woman ran our government? They are all priviledged in one way or another and they have run this country in a shi? hole and we allow it. They have brain washed us to hate each other and to love them and their destructive policies which they use against us.

    This hatred targeted toward President Obama should have also been directed at President Bush. Stop supporting any of these guys that refuse to help we the people and lets fight to get our governement back.

    The illegals aint the problem and McChrystal should be disciplined just like anyone of us would be if we said what he said against our superior. If I’m in charge,
    Mc Chrystal’s would be general all right: On the STRATEGO board game.
    I think he would be worth 10 points.

  • diecash1

    It’s a bogus article as the circumstances surrounding Shinseki were completely different than that of McChrystal. Shinseki answered a direct question to the best of his ability regarding what he felt appropriate troop levels were and he was vilified for it and relieved of his command. Apparently McChrystal tolerated or encouraged a culture of insubordination among his staff and for that, he should be vilified.

    A spokesman for General Shinseki, Col. Joe Curtin, said today that the general stood by his estimate. “He was asked a question and he responded with his best military judgment,” Colonel Curtin said. General Shinseki is a former commander of the peacekeeping operation in Bosnia.

    http://globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/167-attack/35435.html

  • eudbell

    Thank you..I so agree.

  • maverick2k9

    My my.. These Drudge drones make Freeper/Rusty sound like a liberal in comparision.

  • diecash1

    Let’s not get carried away now. I think our resident trolls would fit in quite nicely with the Drudge drones.

  • mjwilstein

    watch the video of Robert Gibbs previewing the Obama/McChrystal showdown scheduled for tomorrow:
    http://bit.ly/bD0wki

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    That article is not just about Shinseki. When Bush was president, the lib media jumped on every military person, active duty and retired it could find that disagreed with anything Bush was doing and then trumped it up like the Enquirer puts out headlines about some celeb having lunch with someone other than their spouse. I have lived long enough to see the downward spiral of the mainstream media’s ethics. They have been caught so many times its no longer even in dispute that they are biased. Them and their liberal professors that taught them zero about the real world. They taught Obama too. And that is why he so slow to do anything because now that he is in the White house he is faced on a daily basis with the reality he never knew existed.

  • 2bklb

    I vote for Obama and I also served 8 years in the military. While serving in the Marine Corp regardless of my views I never disrespected my Commander in Chief or my country especially while in uniform. Gen McCrystal a high decorated officer in the military learned this in boot camp, you do not have freedom of speech while in uniform. He knew his views prior to be assigned to his post and if he was unable to adapt and overcome he should of resigned his post and spared his career. After resigning he would of been free to express his problem with the President as well as the war. He needs to be fired not because he disagree with Obama but is violations of Article 88 of the UCMJ, the thing I like about the UCMJ is was written for all military members and there is no black and white. Regardless if you are a liberal or conservative you can’t blame each other about the fairness of the law, it is the law and everyone should have to follow it. Disrespect for the office of the President should not be tolerated by anyone. Those of you who clam to be Pro America should not waver on respecting the officer depending on which party holds it. Ask yourself other than post this comment what have you done for America today. If all you did was find a million things wrong with Obama and McCrystal that is why this country is going down as fast as it is. You can not blame or control the actions one man to make your situation feel way better.

  • 2bklb

    I severed and I agree with you complete.

  • diecash1

    You’ve yet to make a cogent response. Again, what military leader criticized W as McChrystal and his staff did to Obama? You’ve provided nothing thus far. The remainder of your posts contain little more than non sequitur.
    ..
    It’s amusing how you go on about Obama being out of touch with reality. Answer me this: Did you vote for W? Do you believe he was “in touch” with reality?

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    You may have served in the military and it sounds like you have a lot of respect for the military and our country, but you were not at the general’s level. At that level its a whole different ball game. As I stated before my dad was an officer. He was a colonel who regularly reported to the pentagon and served under many presidents. Never in the history of our country has there been a president who behaved so contrary to our basic policies during a war. Whether President Obama is doing this out of ignorance or dislike of our country, he is doing it never-the-less. Check out Mark Levin’s radio show website to see the background of what General McChrystal has been dealing with in the Obama administration.

  • diecash1

    Never in the history of our country has there been a president who behaved so contrary to our basic policies during a war

    Yet more ridiculous and unsubstantiated BS. Have you ever heard of the concept of evidence? Try providing more than empty rhetoric if you want to be taken seriously.

  • maverick2k9

    Check out Mark Levin’s radio show website to see the background of what General McChrystal has been dealing with in the Obama administration.

    .
    Seriously, you want us to listen to an empty suit who does nothing but talk talk on the radio?
    .
    Since when did Mark Levin, of all people, become an expert on the military?

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    Read the article on mark levin’s radio show website to see what McChrystal is dealing with. There is your evidence. But of course you will find some excuse not to believe it. Its always this way. Libs didn’t want to fight the Nazi’s either. They had the exact same arguements as you are giving here. That is why Patton and Eisenhower took German citizens and journalists through the death camps after the war because they knew that people keep denying the reality of the world’s bad people just like you are doing now. You think that war was so cut and dried? and that everyone was on board with fighting the germans? If you don’t want to go to mark Levin’s website for your evidence, go back and read Thomas Sowell’s archives about the mainstream media, read Bernie Goldberg’s ‘Bias’. There are plenty of books that substantiate the constant bias of the lib media, but I’m sure you have reasons each and every one of them are just a lot of “unsubstantiated BS”.

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    Mark Levin has more military expertise than Professor Obama. Do you even know Levin’s background?

  • diecash1

    Unsubstantiated BS certainly describes the content of your post. Do you lack for reading comprehension? It would appear so as no one here has made any of the allegations that you accuse us of doing. Your entire series of posts are utter garbage. You’ve failed to address all questions and you continue to cling to the tired canard of the “liberal media”. Pathetic.

  • alfieaf

    “‘Dissing’ the Commander in Chief is certainly bad form, and not good for your career – but there’s nothing unconstitutional about it”

    However, Clinton’s administration had a Major General retire and fined $7000 for calling him ‘dope-smoking,
    draft-dodging, skirt-chasing….’

    “The rumblings have raised enough concern at the Pentagon that military authorities have at least twice in recent weeks responded by warning that Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice explicitly prohibits officers from speaking “contemptuous words” against the President, the Secretary of Defense and other civilian leaders of ·the armed services. Each service has similar rules for enlisted personnel.” –Times article from Oct98. Not un-Constitutional, but against the UCMJ.

    Seems strange that the military has little love for Dem presidents. Or maybe not. The military has generally been treated like an ugly-redheaded stepchild, from using junior officers as waiters on one occasion when the White House was short (Clinton), to cutting funding to the extent that personnel weren’t paid at the end of the year (Carter), to the current president’s use of unarmed National Guard at the border and cutting the troop request of his commanders in the field. McCrystal has a right to be unimpressed.

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    I have just given you plenty of articles to look through in Thomas Sowell’s archives and a book to look through (Goldberg’s Bias). Are these fellows writings nothing but utter garbage too? If you read the article on Levin’s site it talks about how Obama has approached the management of the war in Afghanistan and how it has put the generals in a bind in trying to fight it.

  • colokent

    Ooooh….attacked by libs from every direction on the TIME site– what a huge surprise– NOT.

    War is a terrible thing, but not the most terrible of things.

    For a man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing that he values more than his personal safety, is a miserable creature who must be kept safe by the exertions of better men than himself.

    Libs: Aren’t you willing to at least fight and die for the “freebie” gov’t handouts you live on, cheap Barney Frank house loans that you are defaulting on, and the “free” healthcare that “The Dear Leader” recently rammed through Congress to secure your votes for eternity (or at least until someone promising to steal even more money from working America comes along? Oh, I guess not– that would require each of you to give up pontificating at Starbuck’s while sipping a latte (that my money bought), about how much money those in society who are ambitious and productive should shovel your way.

    I LOVE how angry and incensed you all get when your ignorant positions are questioned. There is no discussion or discussion, simply disdain for anything that The Great Leader himself has not approved.

    What a bunch of worthless wards of The Dear Leader’s State…and Oxygen thieves to boot…

    So…how’s this Changey hopey $hit working for all of you?

  • diecash1

    There is no discussion…..simply disdain for anything that Obama has proposed

    That appears to be a more accurate statement regarding your ignorant postings. You are an abject moron without a clue. You have yet to do more than rant; no argument made.
    ..
    BTW, if you’re so eager to fight in such a just war, why haven’t you signed up yet tough guy? Scared to leave the confines of mom’s basement?

  • maverick2k9

    “Do you even know Levin’s background?”

    No. But I know enough to know that he is an empty suit nobody.

  • maverick2k9

    So…how’s this Changey hopey $hit working for all of you?

    Pretty good actually:

    * Now we have an end date for the Afghan War.
    * HCR passed – Now Jim Demintt now has water all over his loo.
    * Financial reforms – almost done.
    * After Obama’s successfull “Apology tour”,
    - China and Russia agreed to implement Iran sanctions,
    - Israel agreed to talk with PA and practically lifted the blockade on Gaza.
    - China agreed to US demands on currency reforms.
    * Instead of fighting BP for years in the Supreme “corporations have right to free speech” court, folks from the Gulf now have a $20 billion compensation fund.
    .
    What more can we Hope for from President Obama?

  • colokent

    Hey diecash1…..

    RE: Your comment about signing up…entered the military in 83, deployed for OIF/OEF in 03 and 04.

    Well diecash1, guess it’s time for you to go shopping for a new paper a-hole (or at least a job).

    Nice try at bravado….too bad the rake you just stepped on hit you in the groin.

    Looks like your environmentally friendly Starbucks latte needs topping off.

    Ah…you self-appointed intellectuals….better start thinking of new methods of voter fraud for this fall or you libs will find yourselves stillbron the morning after the election– well, maybe “Immigration Reform” will be the ticket that will get your thugs reelected. You never know what “The Dear Leader” will dream up next.

  • colokent

    Hey diecash1…..

    RE: Your comment about signing up…entered the military in 83, deployed for OIF/OEF in 03 and 04.

    Well diecash1, guess it’s time for you to go shopping for a new paper a-hole (or at least a job).

    Nice try at bravado….too bad the rake you just stepped on hit you in the groin.

    Looks like your environmentally friendly Starbucks latte needs topping off.

    Ah…you self-appointed intellectuals….better start thinking of new methods of voter fraud for this fall or you libs will find yourselves stillborn the morning after the election– well, maybe “Immigration Reform” will be the ticket that will get your thugs reelected. You never know what “The Dear Leader” will dream up next.

  • colokent

    That’s right– Health Care Reform– let’s bankrupt the country to gain another freebie for those who choose to freeload off of society. Get a haircut and get a real job….then you won’t be worrying about healthcare.

    Shouldn’t all of you lib scums be over on the Daily Koz dreaming up conspiracies and counting your new entitlements?

    Tonight convinces me that perhaps work DOES make one free (versus being an Obamadrone).

    Toodles lefties….I’ll keep all that hard earned money coming your way so that you can spend your time on important things like protesting about how you (and the unions) deserve even more.

  • springer67

    All you liberals, conservatives, democrats, republicans and who knows who else?, you fight over stuff that is not worth fighting over, like Obama. You support him, you despise him or you are indifferent. That man in the W.H. does not care about America or its white people, he does not care if the oil platform blew up or not, if the oil leaks into the Gulf of Mexico or not, if we win or lose in Afghanistan, the same goes for Iraq. He does not care if his health care system works or bankrupts America, if unemployment is high or low, if companies go under or hire new workers. That is all for show only. Watch what he says and what he does and you will find there is a gap as big as the grand canyon. He does the opposite every time of what he should have done or proposed. Example: to increase business he should have stabilized the business-climate. He creates turmoil in a thousand different ways. To induce small and big business owners to hire new workers he should have decreased taxes and change onerous rules, he keeps on increasing taxes and comes up with more ridiculous rules. To pick up the oil in the gulf he should have let every boat in the world capable of such a function come and help since April 25, 2010 , he is stopping everything he can. He says he wants America to be energy independent but what is he doing, he comes up with a moratorium to shut down all drilling rigs which will finish off the oil industry for good in America. By the time he might allow drilling again there is no drilling rig in American waters left anymore. I could come up with many more examples, but think for your self. A man like that is not honest. I don’t care if he is the president of America or the Kaiser of China, he is dishonest to the core. Look at the weak sycophants he hired to advise him, they all combined couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag and that bunch is allowed to run this once great nation into the deepest excrement hole there is. That is exactly what he has planed all along, study his campaign speeches he gave clue after clue what his intentions were. Just for kicks, read some speeches from Fidel Castro, Lenin, Stalin and Hitler your eyes are going to open up.
    God have mercy on all of us!!!! .

  • colokent

    maverick2k9….be careful….drink that Kool-Aid s-l-o-w-l-y. I bet you are REALLY Robert Gibbs trolling the blog…

    Seriously, all of the withing sneers from you libs are hilarious…typical brainwashed TIME readers.

    Hey! Here’s an idea….why don’t you guys open a radio network and have only libs on it? Oh darn….that’s already been tried and didn’t work so well did it? Want a business tip? People typically don’t pay for things they can get for free….aka The MSM, and their Radio Moscow-like allegiance to the Obama regime.

  • colokent

    Thanks, springer67….outstanding words to the deaf mob.

  • maverick2k9

    I bet you are REALLY Robert Gibbs trolling the blog…

    LOL.. Is that the best insult that you can throw?
    .
    Well, my fault – I expected the Drudge Drones to be more intelligent than the usual swampnuts we have here.

    Hey! Here’s an idea….why don’t you guys open a radio network and have only libs on it?

    Radio is sooo 19th century…even Lady Sarah uses facetwitter to screech and shout.

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    I actually don’t see anything in Obama that says he hates or disrespects America or its people. Maybe its there but I don’t see it. I even see him and the first lady talking to the troops and being very respectful. I was at some republican thing not long ago and this lady was going on and on about how she saw Obama get off a plane and not salute the military guy respectfully, but I have seen nothing but the opposite in his behavior toward the military guys and women. However, I do think that he’s been educated by a mother who had issues with authorities and our government and capitalism. Basically, she was a loser who didn’t make it and hung out with commies and low lifes. And then he went to colleges with liberal professors and they all pretty much hated America. That Bill Ayres guy was not an exception to Obama’s crowd, he was typical. And he sat in a church where they used to say God D__ America and it’s all whities fault for all the evil in the world. He never served in the military himself. He thinks we should pull out of Afghanastan if we can’t ‘win’ by July 2011 which is a self fulfilling prophecy for disaster right there but its a typical lib fantasy. Its exactly the stuff that lost the war in Viet Nam and yet the libs keep doing it over and over. Regarding the Obama apologists and people who don’t want us to fight in Afghanistan or anywhere else the terrorists are hiding out and terroising the local population, Chris Mathews (a lib hero if there ever was one) said it best when he admitted that he remembered the day everyone started protesting the war in Viet Name was when they announced they would be drafting and he and all his buddies right there decided the war was a mistake, in other words they were afraid. Hey, I can’t say I blame them for being afraid. Everyone is. But you fellows on this forum need to face the fact that what may be driving your political views has more to do with you personally not wanting to go fight than whether its the right thing to do.

  • colokent

    Actually maverick2k9, it’s not radio that’s so “19th century” (what weak-a$$ comeback THAT was, BTW), it is your fetish for anything that smacks of Marx/Engels that is so 19th century…

    The bottom line remains the same: The libs Eff-up everything they touch…wasting their energy on stealing money (and votes) from the American people, and trolling for another Watergate, so they can reclaim their glory days.

    Actually, Clinton is starting to look good to me at the moment– I’d vote for him any day over “The Dear Leader”. I wonder when the Obama re-education camps will begin opening????

    I hope McChrystal does resign, and “The Dear Leader” accepts it–why should the General fall on his sword for BHO, a man who bows and apologizes to every world leader he meets (except our staunch allies, who he kicks in the groin every chance he gets).

  • maverick2k9

    Colokent. The Dear Leader is dead, Long live Ronald Reagan.

  • colokent

    Well Abbeytherepublican….he’s certainly respectful when he’s on stage.

    Remember, this whole thing is a house of cards enabled on a daily basis by the media. Remember, this guy doesn’t go to the bathroom without taking a poll and carefully analyzing what all of his supporters think.

    That’s why he talks constantly about shaking down corporations and working citizens for their cash so that he can use it to create new handout programs for those who promise to vote for him– it is a message that resonates with the majority of his sponsors, who feel “entitled” to “Gubment” handouts.

  • maverick2k9

    I am truely surprised to see a somewhat sensible comment from you.
    .
    I have a somewhat different view on whether the Longest war in American history still needs to continue and consume American blood and treasure (the tax money that colokent accuses that I steal from him). But you have a right to think otherwise.

  • colokent

    Maverick, I agree Reagan was just who we needed at the time…

    “Goverment isn’t the solution…..goverment is the PROBLEM”.

    RIP, Ronnie.

    The Dear Leader is my reference to BHO’s similarity with Kim Il Jung…another person who lives in a brutal world of his own making, and subjects others to his thuggery.

  • maverick2k9

    “Goverment isn’t the solution…..goverment is the PROBLEM”.
    .
    So what do you propose to do? Stop paying taxes? Get the Army (part of US Govt) out of Afghanistan and use the money saved (from not paying your tax) to send Blackwater to Afghanistan to fight for ya?
    .
    While you are at it.. Do please tell us which private corporation is going to replace the Police and Fire dept.

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    Well, I guess this little debate could go on and on but I have a little something special I’d like to share with my fellow repubs, when the conservatives start winning more and more on election night, turn away from Fox for a moment or two to see the look on the lib reporter’s faces, its so much fun, I turned to MSNBC when that guy won Kennedy’s old seat in Mass, man oh man, the look on Chris Mathew’s and Rachel Maddow’s faces were a sight to behold. They looked like they were either going to throw up or cry or both. I went out and got me some popcorn and came back for the fun. I remember the night Ronald Reagon won the presidency the first time, I was watching that grand old lib Dan Rather (we didn’t have fox back then, nor Rush Limbaugh, all we had was William Buckley and his National Review coming in the mail), as the night wore on and the little map of the US kept turning up state after state for Reagan, Rather got lower and lower in his seat and looked like he was going straight to the bar after work. After living through the Jimmy Carter 18 percent interest rates and Iranian hostage crises it was such a breath of fresh air to see blowhard Rather watching his little lib world falling apart.

  • pintortwo

    There has been comment upon my contribution to Democrats… But it happens that I vote for Viacom. Viacom is my life, and I do believe that a Republican Administration is better for media companies than a Democratic one.
    .
    - Sumner Redstone, Chairman + CEO of Viacom, parent co of CBS (link)

  • pintortwo

    There is some strategy to it [bashing the 'liberal' media]…. If you watch any great coach, what they try to do is ‘work the refs.’ Maybe the ref will cut you a little slack on the next one.
    .
    - Rich Bond, then Republican Party Chairman
    .
    .
    I admit it, the liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures.
    .
    - William Kristol, PNAC member and conservative columnist
    .
    (link for both)

  • porkdumpling

    Abbey, it’s a shame that you don’t seem to know much about history or about the chain of command. Ask your father the colonel how he would have reacted if a captain or sergeant or soldier under his command openly disparaged your father to others under his command. Or to the press. Ask your father how that would have been dealt with.
    .
    It’s clear that you are letting your political views override any sense about what is acceptable and not in the military. The individuals in the military come from many backgrounds and hold very different views; how could they not? But the cohesion of the group is more important than the individual’s personal views. That cohesion and unity of purpose saves lives. McChrystal violated that tenet.
    .
    Go ask your father if that’s not the truth.

  • porkdumpling

    Mark Levin didn’t serve even one day in the military. He has not even one iota of expertise or background in military matters.
    .
    What are you talking about?

  • porkdumpling

    So re-enlist. The army has relaxed all sorts of requirements and they would take you back. Go back and volunteer for Afghanistan.

  • 53_3

    Friar referred to this as “INSANOTY”…

  • porkdumpling

    Sorry you don’t like the president elected by the majority of our country. That’s how democracy works. You will have a chance again in 2012 and again in 2016. Until then you can fume and stew, but you have to accept what your fellow citizens want.

  • porkdumpling

    That’s ok, abbey, that’s how our democracy works. You try to get your guy/gal, others try to get their guy/gal. For now, the Democrats hold both houses of Congress and the Presidency. Just like 6 years ago, Republicans had them. Enjoy your little moments, even though Scott Brown (the guy who took Ted Kennedy’s seat) has voted with the Dems as often as the Repubs. Funny, huh?

  • http://rkxjkdkm.wordpress.com rkxjkdkm

    “Stanley McChrystal is precisely the sort of man who should be leading American troops in battle.”

    Is this what you really believe? An effective leader has to be able to follow and realize his place in the grand scheme of things. He (McChrystal has done some good things, but how can he expect respect and order from his subordinates if he cannot give the same thing?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Libs didn’t want to fight the Nazi’s either
    .
    I spoke about self-discrediting speech at the top of the thread but I certainly didn’t expect this level of ignorance. Opposition to our entering WWII was of course led by the “America First” contingent of the Republican party. Liberals and antiwar sentiment did even begin to be associated until the VietNam era.

    I recall being told by a teacher in 1967 – if you want a depression, elect a Republican, If you want a war, elect a Democrat.

  • http://kathyfromlosangeles.wordpress.com kathyfromlosangeles

    This morning I heard that this may be a move by the Hillary bunch for her 2012 White House bid. Just like Ted Kennedy challenged Jimmy Carter and made him a one termer. First you had James Careville running his mouth about Obama not doing anything about the gulf oil thing, now McChrystal (who is a dem) has stepped forward (albeit obliquely) to diss the big O about his handling of the war. I love it when the dems crack up and implode.

  • http://mav1457.wordpress.com JMav

    Clearly the OP has no actual military experience as what the General did is a violation of UCMJ law and inexcusable as an Officer. He is tasked with commanding soldiers who he himself would punish if making the same remarks to the public, this is not the behavior of a General but rather that of a private.

    So he went and had a meal with the soldiers who were pissed, the same article I read said that the soldiers were still pissed at him when he left.

    All you have to do is look at all the toes the man has stepped on to realize he is not an adequate person for the job he has been tasked with.

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    One things for sure. The general’s actions have brought about a much needed discussion about Obama’s war strategy that by most accounts is a failure and needs to be revamped. Perhaps ole Blood and Guts Hillary could step in and help the little guy out.

  • diecash1

    The general’s actions have brought about a much needed discussion about Obama’s war strategy

    Still having trouble with the facts, eh? The war strategy is that of W and the generals and advisors that he put into place. Obama’s only failure here is that he didn’t scrap them and put new people into place to devise a new strategy for Afghanistan. It’s been an abject failure since W started the Iraq war and lost focus on it. Your attempt to paint it as Obama’s failure is patently false and results from your obvious bias.

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    Check out Pat Buchanan’s comments on the subject of the Afghan war and Obama’s dilema.

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=37568

  • colokent

    Wrong Mav…..It’s a constant F’ing drumbeat with you people. What I have a problem with is paying entitlements to freeloaders, and listening to libs pratle on about how their “kinder, gentler (and in their mind, more intellectual)” views ARE the answer.

    Obama has been in office 18 months. He refuses to take responsibility for anything, and the press is his willing accomplice. All administrations have had their screwups. NONE have approached the level of GROSS incompetence this one has (I can hear the libs shieking a they read this: “America IS the problem! Bush and Cheney are war criminals! Stalin was simply misunderstood! Chavez is my hero!….NO other position is acceptable!!! In fact, no one should be allowed to differ with our “enlightened libby philosophy!!!!”

    You libs are f’ing PATHETIC– and you distort and lie pretty much every time you open your mouths– you can’t win with your ideas– they simply don’t work (no matter how much you shriek at Bush/Cheney in response to EVERYTHING), and you can’t govern– look at the ineffectual, thuggish “man-child” you elected. Face it– the allure of “gubment freebies”, and “checking the [minority] box” is what this four years is apparently all about.

  • colokent

    Hey Porky…I’d rather stew than spend my days sliding from one mental orgasm to the next, cooing over an ineffective “rock star” with NO executive governing experience, who thinks bullying corporations and taking over entire industries is his right. He’s a temper-tantrum throwing clod, and his henchmen are thugs.

    I heard a CEO the other day make the statement that if BHO and his thugs continue to shake down industry with their extortion schemes, he was simply going to fold his US ops and relocate to Brazil. I hope that begins happening on a daily basis. Since you so eloquently pointed out that the majority of Americans voted for this guy, I guess the majority of Americans can continue to line up at “Gubment” run soup kitchens and talk about how wonderful things are going under “The Massiah”. Gotta love this “Hopey Changey” $hit.

  • colokent

    And the lib drumbeat drones on and on. It simply doesn’t matter what BHO does….the “Lib Dead-enders” will blindly follow their Massiah and spew Obermann-isms along the way…

    “Obama’s actions today were…simply BRILLIANT” (said in the cooing,breathless, orgasmic tone of voice that the MSM uses.)

    Of course….in the battle between conducting the war and showing the other kids in the sandbox who is boss, BHO’s ego wins out– AGAIN (the good news is that McChrystal’s firing won’t cause us to lose the war, because BHO and his henchmen are already hard at work on that one. We can win (“Whatever that means…” said an American-hating, defeatist, lib relative of mine).

    Here’s how to win. It’s a big, complex theory– so read v-e-r-y c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y. Here’s the big secret practiced by ALL who have won wars since the beginning of time: You employ the forces, and take the actions required to be the meanest, strongest force on the block by a factor of at least 3:1. Then, you add additional force above and beyond that to reduce your own casualties, and ensure victory. Make no mistake– we CAN’T win this through debate with these– people (and I use that term loosely). Ultimately, it would require liquidating hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of Islamo-fascists, and I do mean killing them stone dead. And yes, despite our best intentions and efforts, some innocents would get fried too– that happens in war.

    If that scenario is simply too painful to take, fine– let’s pull out. However, recognize in doing so, this won’t be the end of this problem– only a delay as the enemy gets wiser, stronger, and more determined to regroup and take us out. And don’t doubt for a minute they won’t.

    The sad part is, I know that many of you ACTUALLY believe that if only Bush and Cheney had been “nicer and more compliant” to the Taliban and Al Queda, none of this would have happened. If only we had had BHO in place years ago to go over and snivel as he bowed and kissed their robes, nothing would have happened. Guess all I can say is….if you think like that, your time will be better spent throwing burkas on your wives/daughters, and getting conversant in that epistle of the “peace-loving” religion called “Islam”.

    Toodles….

  • http://billis13.wordpress.com billis13

    the point is mcchrystal did not say any of that, that quote was from and aid that was not present at that meeting characterizing what he thought the meeting was like. That qoute does not characterize what mcchrystal thought of the president

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    Why do liberals never want to fight for their freedom until the enemy is upon them, sticking his loaded gun in their face on their own turf? that is the real question i’ve wondered and will continue to wonder. Barak O and his minions are so busy handing out welfare checks to people who don’t want to acheive anything on their own and bashing our capital institutions that provide jobs, they don’t have time to pay attention to a true life enemy standing at the gate waiting for the least sign of weakness to break in and take our livelihood, our freedom away. They twist their knickers into knots inventing arguments why they will not fight and then after they’ve put us in a bind to where it will take so much more of our resources to combat the enemy, so much more time, and so many more young people’s lives, they run and hide under rocks until the fighting is over, then they crawl out, look around and start whining about their welfare checks again. Amazing.

  • http://abbeytherepublican.wordpress.com abbeytherepublican

    I don’t think most of you libs are facing the fact that Obama as a commander of this war is mismanaging a lot of the work we’ve already done in Afghanastan and the military leaders over there are having to deal with the results of this and to say it is frustrating for them is a gross understatement. Someone said on this blog that Obama’s strategy is Bush’s strategy, No. Obama has imposed a deadline to win or get out, oh he has since ‘revised’ that to say he didn’t mean if we’re not winning we’d just turn off the lights but he is sticking to this deadline never the less and it is probably the single stupidest thing any president or commander can do is to tell the enemy if they just hang out for a while in the woods or in this case in the hills, we’ll be pulling up stakes and going back to disneyland. If you were the taliban what would you do after hearing this? bush said repeatedly we’re coming after you no matter how long it takes, no matter how far we have to go, we’re in this to win, never never did he impose a deadline saying that if we didn’t win by such and such a date that we would pack up our pink underpanties and go home as Obama and Biden have done.

    Obama is now facing the consequence of his completely wrongheaded, ignorant decision to inform the enemy that we are not prepared to stay to win. Whether McChrystal let his subordinates dis the president and his staff and chimed in a few digs of his own on purpose or whether it was by accident, I think he is well aware that Obama is not likely to win this war and would do nothing but further hinder our well trained military’s best efforts. He was completely frustrated and blocked in.

    In addition it has come out that VP Biden and others have been bad mouthing and setting him up. They don’t like him. Biden is a strange person. His fellow dems did not like him when he was a senator saying he was difficult to work with and not nice. Over the years he has undermined the military many times and then pretended to be their best friend in public. He, apparently did the same thing to McChrystal. His suggestions and strategies are continually laughed at and feared for their off the wall nature by most military people.

    One thing that has come out of this is that Obama can’t continue to fire generals, even his most dedicated groupies will begin to wonder what his problem is. He is weakened by this decision for sure and will have to go along and get along more with the new general’s strategies although it is doubtful, given his upbringing and continual ideological retardedness, he will ever win any war at all that happens on his watch.

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