Questions Persist About Alvin Greene’s Mysterious Military Discharges

A week ago in the living room of South Carolina’s Democratic nominee for the U.S. Senate, I asked Alvin Greene if there was anything that had not yet been written about by the press that he wanted to get out. “Bring the Air Force discharge up,” Greene replied. “Y’all go and get that.”

This was not the response I had expected. Greene has based his candidacy, in large part, on his military service—a total of 13 years in the South Carolina Air National Guard, U.S. Air Force, Army National Guard and U.S. Army. Tarnishing this record are the mysterious circumstances around what he calls his “involuntary” discharges from the U.S. Air Force and the U.S. Army. In both cases, he has refused to detail the reasons for his dismissal.

Earlier in the same interview, I had asked Greene about his dismissal from the Air Force. His answer was, somewhat typically, cryptic. “I left the Air Force in September ’05,” he said. “I ran through some problems, dealing with rank. It’s a long story. I guess that will be the next thing they will be focusing on.” I asked him repeatedly to clarify further, and he declined to do so.

But less than an hour later, he was encouraging me to pursue the story of his Air Force dismissal. He later declined to help by granting permission to one of his former officers to discuss his service. An Air Force public affairs officer said Greene was discharged through an administrative action, not a court martial, which is consistent with Greene’s characterization of an “involuntary” discharge. Otherwise, Air Force officials said they would not discuss the details.

After serving in the South Carolina Air National Guard during college, Greene served in the active-duty Air Force from July 25, 2002 to September 1, 2005. He served his duty at Shaw Air Force Base, which is located about 25 miles from his family home in Manning, South Carolina. “He was in the intel field,” an Air Force spokeswoman says, adding that when he left his rank was airman first class — to be expected for someone who had been in uniform his length of time. “But it’s a very junior rank.” Greene described his work at Shaw as an “intelligence specialist.”

“I’m not going to go into the duties,” Greene told me. “It’s classified work.”

While at Shaw, Greene won a row of ribbons and medals, according to Air Force records. They included the Global War on Terror Service Medal, the National Defense Service Medal, the Good Conduct Medal, the Armed Forces Reserve Medal, the Air Reserve Forces Meritorious Service Medal, and the Air Force Longevity Service Medal. “They’re all kind of standard,” the spokeswoman says. “So long as you don’t mess up, you’ll get them.”

After Greene was forced out of the Air Force in 2005, he says he joined the South Carolina Army National Guard for seven months, leading to an active-duty posting in the U.S. Army, this time as a supply specialist. He signed up for three years in February 2007, and was discharged from service in August of 2009, according to an Army official. He was promoted to his final rank of specialist — an E-4 rank, one higher than his final Air Force rank – in February 2009. Army officials also declined to describe the circumstances of his early departure, which Greene has characterized as “honorable.”

As in the Air Force, Greene earned a number of standard decorations in the Army, serving both in Korea, from June 2007 to July 2008 and at Ft. Riley in Kansas until his discharge. The Army awarded him the Korean Defense Service Medal, the Non Commissioned Officer Professional Development Ribbon, the Army Service Ribbon, and the Overseas Service Ribbon.

None of this answers the central question of Greene’s military service: Why did two branches of the military feel obliged to discharge him against his will? Greene will not say, though he says he expects the information to come out eventually, and he suggests that he will not be unhappy when it does.

Additional reporting by Mark Thompson and Elizabeth Dias

Related Topics: 2010, alvin greene, South Carolina, 2012 Election
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  • 53_3

    Not to suddenly leap to his defense, I wonder how much influence Bush’s policies had in this.
    .
    It’s interesting that he was in Intel, and, as I remember, there was talk of Intel in both the UK and here of “sexing up” some of the claims Bush made during the runup to the Iraq war.
    .
    Hmmmmm….

  • FlownOver

    Alvin Greene – human shiny object.

    Got anything on issues that affect our lives, Michael? I’ve heard such issues exist.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Michael loves a mystery. Routine confidentiality of military records….not so much.

  • michaelfury

    “as I remember, there was talk of Intel in both the UK and here of “sexing up” some of the claims Bush made during the runup to the Iraq war”

    Remember this man?

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/a-walk-in-the-woods/

  • sevenoaks07

    This guy is hardly forthcoming; and his chances of being elected are nil to noooo. Why waste time on this? Give Phantom Alvin a rest.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Alvin Greene mania has grabbed the attention of all the people (in the media)! Everyone (in the media) is wondering just what will Alvin say next! This is the story that no one (in the media) will want to miss!

  • michaelfury

    Yes, “mainstream” journalists love inconsequential “mysteries”.

    Still waiting for 48 Hours to investigate this “mystery”:

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/barry-jennings-speaks/

  • FlownOver

    Yippeee!!! Return of the Blogwhore!

  • koabd

    Well…I’m sure Palmetto State voters care considering he is the Democratic nominee for the US Senate. I’m just saying…

  • nflfoghorn

    Yeh – “look at MY blog RE comments on THIS blog.” Pass.

  • http://skeets2908.wordpress.com skeets2908

    I read that he was discharged concerning the Military’s height and weight standards. This would be honarable but involuntary.

  • michaelfury

    Does he have a Presidential Medal of Freedom?

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/03/17/lies-on-the-horizon/

  • http://davem1962.wordpress.com davem1962

    Often college graduates go into the military as officers especially if they were in ROTC. For some reason Greene was in the National Guard instead. Apparently Greene went in as if he had no college degree. The media wise people make it seem he could not have gotten into college. A high school reporter with a press credential could find more out about all of that than our media have chosen to tell us. They have a Pro Rawl story line and their editors seem to be determined to stick to it. It is as if they are writing a movie script; not trying to tell us what is going on.

    Is Greene incompetent in the same sense as Bush and Thomas are viewed as incompetent by many in the media?

  • tgzzzz

    Can a Nobel Prize be far behind? He’s earned it!

  • m0mentom0ri

    No argument there, koabd, and I hope the local media in SC are all over it.
    .
    But how many other local candidates are getting this level of national attention? And considering much of that attention is a patronizing combination of snickers and puns, I’m not sure the people of SC are being well-served by this national coverage.

  • tinatrent

    Here’s the real mystery: why is it that Michael Scherer and other allegedly neutral reporters feel entitled to treat this candidate differently from other candidates they interview?

    Does Scherer use this tone when writing about other candidates? No. Does he make smart asides about them when they refuse to provide information, or otherwise deflect questioning? No.

    He wouldn’t dare, nor would his editors approve if he did. The narrative he’s wallowing makes him feel justified in behaving this way. And that’s unprofessional and smacks of elitism — and bias. There are ways to ask this man questions without stooping to superiority.

  • Mekhong Kurt

    michaelfury, surely you see that for Greene himself to refuse to go into much detail even while encouraging a reporter to go further into the story (which is what I guess he meant), it does make one wonder, “Why? Is there more to this story, and if so, is it anything worth knowing and reporting about?” My interest would be piqued at least a *little.*

    I read your column, btw, and made a comment on your story about Dr. Kelly.

  • http://thewatchman.wordpress.com/ thewatchman

    Who cares?

    Leave the poor dupe alone!

    The 100,000 Republicans who crossed over and voted for Alvin in the open Democratic Primary – just like they did for Creigh Deeds in Virgina last year – may have had a great laugh at the stupid Democrats for having open primaries, and for letting them send in a pathetic ringer for the bargain price of only $10,400, but currently there is no Democratic in ultra right-wing South Carolina that could come even remotely close to beating DeMint, so this is all much ado about nothing!

  • gocitizen

    On Greene’s military experience…I’m glad he served. Based on an interview floating around the internet, he was a “lazy, lousy” soldier. Ok. Maybe he’s trying another line of work. Good for him. He’s an example of how people should behave if they’re unemployed or are in a job that is not for them. Find some other line of work! Find something that makes you light up and want to get up for everyday. Perhaps he’d make a better senator? At least, he has the courage to try. Another thing I noticed in that same interview was the fact that when Greene was in Korea, he was frugal. He was fiscally conservative. He had a radio in his room and a few clothes. He must live within his means and knows how to save money. (I notice many sarcastic comments about Greene living with his elderly father. Great! He’s family oriented, helping dad out, etc. And he’s not out there buying a home he can’t afford, causing economic crisis! Good for Greene!) An art lots of us need to get back to personally. We’re always on the government spending too much money, but it starts with us. If the majority of us saved, the government would, too. (Reflection of the people and all) It’s funny how some people and the media are asking about his mental health and if he’s on something, etc. They should be asking those questions to folks who spend more than they make.http://beforeitsnews.com/news/79/675/SC_Senate_Candidate_Greene_Was_Lousy_Soldier.html

    Go Greene!!!

  • http://davem1962.wordpress.com davem1962

    The outstanding issue is what the Democratic Party will do to help their candidate if they can’t find another way to get him removed. The media will throw anything against Greene they can. Their judgments are important.

  • phildsnutz

    You guys are morons. An E-3 in the Air Force is not responsible for anything they get coffee and make copies. Allvin Green is not some gun ho Military man, all of is “awards” are basic service awards, everyone who serves gets those medals, there rubbish. Besides, all you have to do is listen to the guy for talk for 30 seconds and it is abundantly clear that he is not the sharpest tool in the shed. He clearly is not some James Bond fellow, he is a dim witted Republican ringer.

    P.s.
    You now you did a double take at the word ringer…

  • http://davem1962.wordpress.com davem1962

    It would be interesting to know about his University of South Carolina education. We are being told things which aren’t consistent with staying in a college. The media could figure this kind of stuff out if they chose to.

  • bigch79

    Here is what we are forgetting in all of this…

    Alvin Greene will not be the next Senator from South Carolina. Jim Demint will win in a landslide. That is why the media has not delved into his past any more than it has. I cannot remember the last time a democrat was elected to the senate from South Carolina. That is not going to change soon, especially when Democrats are in danger of losing control of Congress. So, his military and criminal records are irrelevant. However, watching him in TV interviews, I doubt he ever worked in the intelligence field.

  • http://davem1962.wordpress.com davem1962

    The media are talking about what a mystery Greene is. The real mystery is why they keep talking about him while doing little to find out facts about him. It is pure sell.

  • mortardad

    No big mystery, the army and air force each have an up or out policy and he didn’t get promoted fast enough.
    He shouldn’t have stayed in as long as he did without making it past E-4. At the 13 year point he should have been at least an E-6 and when you listen to him speak his lack of success is no big surprise. By the way for all you conspiracy losers out there, if the Republicans were seeking a ringer, why would they have chosen a guy like Greene? NO one could have imagined this guy would actually have won the nomination. The only plausible explanation for this is that no one took time to take him seriously, and they should have.

  • http://davem1962.wordpress.com davem1962

    Much of what we read in the media are guesses like those. They are doing much research. Or for some reasons they aren’t sharing it.

  • http://davem1962.wordpress.com davem1962

    I meant not doing much research. They can find out all kinds of secrets when they want to do that. Apparently they think the mystery angle is a hook for the public.

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