In the Arena

Iran A Year Later

There are various opinions being slung about this week, a year after the rigged Iranian elections. This, by Fouad Adjami, is probably the best of them–though it is marred, in the end, by the notion that Barack Obama could have done more, could have done something to support the rebellion that took place, briefly, in the streets and was quickly crushed by Iran’s disgraceful regime. I’ll get to that in a minute. But first, what Adjami gets right is this:

We are dealing with a new Iranian government now, a military dictatorship camouflaged by a patina of religiosity. The Revolutionary Guard is in charge. The religious community is divided, with many of the most respected figures–the “quietist” followers of deceased Grand Ayatullah Montazeri and Ayatullah Sistani (who lives in Iraq, but is high on the ayatullah-totem-pole in Qom)–opposing the Supreme Leader’s imprimatur on the Revolutionary Guards’ dictatorship. A year ago, I saw mullahs getting beaten up in the streets of Tehran. Ever since, I’ve refrained from the journalistic shorthand of calling the government “the mullahs.” It turns out that some mullahs are willing to shed blood for democracy.

The complexity of the religious situation should warn western commentators and politicians against the foolishness of making broad-brush statements about what President Obama could have done last summer and what the U.S. can do now. The most foolish is that the President should have “spoken out” more forcefully against the regime, as Ajami asserts in his last paragraph:

There is no guarantee that categorical American support would have altered the outcome of the struggle between autocracy and liberty in Iran. But it shall now be part of the narrative of liberty that when Persia rose in the summer of 2009 the steward of American power ducked for cover, and that a president who prided himself on his eloquence couldn’t even find the words to tell the forces of liberty that he understood the wellsprings of their revolt.

The President’s diffidence was awkward, but not unwise. The notion that passionate bleatings from an American President would do anything but backfire  stems from a profound misunderstanding of who and what the Green revolution was. The vast majority of protesters in the streets–even the minority that sought to overturn the 1979 Islamic revolution–were fans of freedom, but not of the United States. The vast majority believed that the US helped Saddam Hussein wreak 1 million casualties on Iran in the 1980s–100,000 of them via poison gas–casualties that are as close as the crippled veteran begging on the streetcorner, the widows who are everywhere (I’ve interviewed more than a few of them).

Furthermore, the idea that the Green reformers would have been more friendly to the U.S. has its limitations, too. Certainly, they would have opened up Iranian society. Certainly, they would have provided an international face more plausible than the loony-tunes Ahmadinejad. But they would not have abandoned their nuclear program–and they would not have leaped to embrace Barack Obama. That was made clear in a series of interviews with leaders of the reform movement I had the week during before the election. None wanted to abandon the nuclear program, or even talk about it–although Mir Hussein Moussavi allowed that Iran should provide evidence that the program was not being weaponized; each of the reform leaders believed that Iran was the aggrieved party in the bilateral relationship with the United States. Each, except Moussavi, said American concessions were necessary before talks could begin. Even Mehdi Kharroubi, considered more liberal than Moussavi, demanded that the U.S. unfreeze Iranian assets and deliver spare parts for Iran’s commercial Boeing fleet before he would even consider negotiating.

Given all this, given the brutality of the regime’s campaign against the Green movement, given the regime’s clear efforts to progress on the nuclear front and continuing support for Hizballah and Hamas, what would a reasonable American policy be? The neoconservative position–taken by politicians like John McCain and Joe Lieberman–is that we should attack Iran, take out its nuclear program and push for regime change (although McCain modified this in a recent speech, happily, to include the desires of the Iranian people–desires usually overlooked by the neo-colonialists of the right). The U.S. military has, in the past, been quite opposed to that course of action. Iran is a real country, with a powerful fighting force and terrorist connections that could wreak havoc against U.S. assets in many venues. It will retaliate.

The real question is whether Iran should be treated as Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union (although this question is, in itself, an overstatement–Iran has the power of neither). The neoconservatives, especially the American Likudniks operating with Israel’s alleged interests in the hearts, regularly compare Iran to the Nazis–virulent, anti-semitic, expansionist, irrational. They point to Iran’s support for Hamas and, especially, Hizballah, and fear that the Iranians will pass a nuclear truck-bomb to the terrorists. All of this is entirely unlikely. The Iranian government has a relatively powerless front man, Ahmadinejad, who makes crazy statements, but the government itself behaves well within the boundaries of reason and its own self-interest (which is quite inimical to our national interests, but entirely rational in Iranian terms).

No, Iran is more like a baby Soviet Union. A regional power, with ties  to a dangerous terrorist network–Hizballah–but one that will respond to international diplomatic pressure. It is also a real country, with real assets, and unlikely to take actions that will result in a devastating attack by the U.S. or Israel. It is not Al Qaeda. If it continues to be recalcitrant–and there is no reason to believe it won’t–the strategic answer is containment, just as we contained the Russians. This would involve a regional defensive alliance against Iran–an informal one, perhaps–involving Iraq, the Gulf States and the Sunni powers (plus Israel), a project that David Petraeus has been quietly pursuing as head of Centcom. It would include the provision of anti-missile capabilities and the guarantee of American support if Iran moves on any of these nations. It also assumes that Iran will develop a nuclear weapon, which–as things stand–seems a probability. Most experts believe that Iran’s aims here are defensive, as Hashemi Rafsanjani–the only Iranian leader ever to publicly mention the possibility of  a bomb–said in 2001: as a deterrent to Israel’s nuclear arsenal. Any nuclear proliferation is potentially destabilizing–although it is also potentially stabilizing, preventing adversaries from going to total war, as war the case in the Cold War and now seems to be holding firm (in a nervous-making way) between India and Pakistan.

A year ago, I was looking forward to interviews with two former leaders of the Revolutionary Guard: Mohammed-Bagder Ghalibaf, the mayor of Tehran, and Mohsen Rezaie, who had run for President given Ahmadinejad a much tougher time in debate than Moussavi or Kharroubi. Both interviews were cancelled when the street fighting began. Together with Ali Larijani, those two represent a less extreme form of conservatism than the Ahmadinejad variety, and they are likely to be significant players–candidates, perhaps–in the next Iranian presidential campaign. If Iranian intransigence is to be modified, they are the sort of people who could do it. I’m not saying that will happen. Iran remains a brutal military dictatorship. But it is also the home of a proud, cultured, well-educated people–arguably, better educated than any other in the region except the Israelis–who are embarrassed by their government’s foolish statements and isolationism, and are eager to rejoin the world. My guess is that if change does come to Iran, it will come gradually, almost unnoticeable at first, but that it will not be waylaid once it begins.

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  • danielatlanta

    Our foreign policy, as regards Iran or any other nation, should be based on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Our presidents should refer to it in every speech about foreign policy, repeating its principles over and over again. Most people in the world have never heard of it. We need to let them know, and we need to run our foreign policy by it.
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    The ideas in the Declaration are far more powerful than a hundred armies. When people understand their rights as human beings, they will eventually find a way to get them for themselves. They won’t need much help from us.
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    If you have never read the Declaration, here is a link:
    http://www.un.org/events/humanrights/2007/hrphotos/declaration%20_eng.pdf

  • destor23

    As soon as our domestic policy lives up to those standards I’ll start worrying about our foreign policy.

  • allthingsinaname

    Interesting that you believe that our foreign policy should be submissive to a UN Deceleration.
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    I am with destor on this.

  • gysgt213

    Our foreign policy is disfunctional. The only thing this country could have done more of during the Green movement was get a lot more people killed than already were.
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    Everyone time we have an opportunity to be a positive in the middle east we have taken the opposite tract. So we have no reputation and no one in that region will ever trust us.
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    When it comes to Israel we don’t even know where our interests begin and Israel’s ends. So Israel doesn’t trust us to do anything, but be a silent partner while she makes matters worse on her own.
    .

  • michaelfury

    “Admiral Cosgriff’s caution was well founded: within a week, the Pentagon acknowledged that it could not positively identify the Iranian boats as the source of the ominous radio transmission, and press reports suggested that it had instead come from a prankster long known for sending fake messages in the region. Nonetheless, Cosgriff’s demeanor angered Cheney, according to the former senior intelligence official. But a lesson was learned in the incident: The public had supported the idea of retaliation, and was even asking why the U.S. didn’t do more. The former official said that, a few weeks later, a meeting took place in the Vice-President’s office. “The subject was how to create a casus belli between Tehran and Washington,” he said.”

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/06/09/some-stunt/

  • michaelfury

    “Regardless, Rustmann and Lenczowski say, the CIA may now help set Tehran’s smoldering tinder ablaze by supplying the opposition factions with money, intel, press placement, and weapons–perhaps the most potent of which may be BlackBerrys.

    “What we could do immediately is essentially manipulate Iranian media, especially the media that serves the Iranian diaspora,” says the former CIA operations officer who goes by–and wrote an espionage memoir under–the pseudonym Ishmael Jones. “The internet-driven communication between Iranians worldwide and those in Iran is frenetic.”

    “The CIA already has a cooperative program in place with [certain American publications],” he adds. “Reporters from [those publications] meet regularly with the top CIA officials–not a conspiracy hatched in a smoke-filled room, but the natural result of reporters working hard to develop top-level sources within the CIA. Just switching [those reporters] for journalists who serve the Iranian diaspora would do the trick. These journalists will be eager to [cooperate].”

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/where-are-you-going-where-have-you-been/

  • sevenoaks07

    I have read and listened to Faoud Adjami over the years and he comes across as a neocon. That is not a disqualifier because he has lots of company in that universe. To people such as Adjami the US interfering in Iran is a basic requirement for their support. Do these people ever take time to understand that for all our talk we simply don’t have the resources to engage in yet another adventure in the Gulf. given our current pre-occupations and weak finances?

  • pintortwo

    Mr. Klein. We are all aware of the “recalcitrance” of the Iranian regime. But has the Obama administration made any efforts to bridge this gap? (honest question)
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    From what I’ve observed, administration officials seem to be saying to Iran, in essence: “we want you to make concessions X, Y, Z then we will negotiate”- effectively taking away any “bargaining chips” they may have. This was the tactic used by the previous administration, rightly criticized as disingenuous or even belligerent. Has this administration made any change in their approach toward Iran and the nuclear dilemma before resorting to further sanctions?

  • Joe Klein

    Actually, Pint–there was a real effort made by Obama before June 12…As I say above, there was no willingness by ANY Iranian faction to negotiate without a U.S. concession. There were ways that roadblock could have been finessed, but any chance of negotiations fell apart after the election.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    well within the boundaries of reason and its own self-interest (which is quite inimical to our national interests, but entirely rational in Iranian terms).
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    I’m always amazed by how much warmongering rhetoric is based on amateur armchair psychology. As always, the object of the game is reassure ourselves that our chosen enemies are irrational and incapable of being dealt with short of violence. Unfortunately, the people who insist on such assertions are usually doing so with no basis except the contents of their own hearts and psyche’s.
    .
    I often hear the phrase ‘sworn enemies’ when people are trying to justify barely discriminate killing but the last time I checked, ‘fighting words’ were not a capital crime.

  • pintortwo

    Thank you for responding.
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    The factions mentioned above are candidates to the Presidency of Iran. The only person who’s “willingness” matters is Ayatollah Khamenei’s. Has any attempt been made, prior to June 12th, to get him to the table (perhaps see if he’d revise the Grand Bargain)?
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    Again, I am not aware of any specific outreach– I’d feel better knowing that there was. I am only aware of the administration publicly saying that they want to negotiate and that there will be grave consequences for Iran’s failure to make concessions. What direct attempts at diplomacy have been made?

  • pintortwo

    Juan Cole discusses the one-year anniversary of the Green Movement (link) :
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    Iran’s Green Movement is one year old this Sunday, the anniversary of its first massive demonstrations in the streets of Tehran. Greeted with great hope in much of the world, a year later it’s weaker, the country is more repressive, and its hardliners are in a far stronger position — and some of their success can be credited to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and sanctions hawks in the Obama administration.
    .
    If, in the past year, those hardliners successfully faced down major challenges within Iranian society and abroad, it was only in part thanks to the regime’s skill at repression and sidestepping international pressure. Above all, the ayatollahs benefited from Israeli intransigence and American hypocrisy on nuclear disarmament in the Middle East.
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    Iran’s case against Israel was bolstered by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s continued enthusiasm for the Gaza blockade, and by Tel Aviv’s recent arrogant dismissal of a conference of Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) signatories, which called on Israel to join a nuclear-free zone in the Middle East. Nor has President Obama’s push for stronger sanctions on Iran at the United Nations Security Council hurt them.
    .
    And then, on Memorial Day in the United States, Israel’s Likud government handed Tehran its greatest recent propaganda victory by sending its commandos against a peace flotilla in international waters and so landing its men, guns blazing, on the deck of the USS Sanctions . . .

  • pintortwo

    I probably should have linked to “Grand Bargain”– here.

  • Ivy_B

    The vast majority of protesters in the streets–even the minority that sought to overturn the 1979 Islamic revolution–were not fans of freedom, but not of the United States.

    Joe, did you mean — were fans of freedom, but not of the United States?

  • earljr1

    Your assertion that a “nuclear truck bomb” being highly unlikely…. is nebulous, at best. When Iranian officials threaten to wipe Israel off the map, should this threat not be taken seriously? Are we waiting for the unthinkable to happen BEFORE we react? Israel now views the United States as a hindrance to its own security and may act on its own accord. It should come as no great surprise if they do so. The ticking clock is NOT ticking in their favor.

  • danielatlanta

    Pray tell, with which articles of the Declaration do you disagree?

  • omaar

    ________________

    1. Nixon: 7 Years

    2. Carter: 7 Years

    3. Reagan: 8 Years

    4. George H.W. Bush: Vice.Pres. 8 Yrs & President 4 Years, Total: 12 years

    5. Clinton: 8 Years

    6. George W. Bush: 8 Years
    _________________

    Face The Hard Core Facts….

    Iran: Already Have [Nuclear Weapons] and they Have a Military Unlike Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia and Sudan…

    They have an Army that can Fight Back, that’s why We’re Smart Not to Play this Mad….

    [Attack Iran Game]

  • omaar

    Earl Jr..

    You’re trying to Paint Iran as a Threat to Israel’s Existence…

    Its [100% Borderline Bull-Spit]

    How can Iran be a Threat to a Nation [Israel] which is Filled to the Gills with …

    [Illegally Obtained Nuclear Weapons]
    _______________

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-barak-says-iran-is-not-existential-threat-to-israel-1.7710

    Report: Barak says Iran is “Not an Existential Threat to Israel”
    ______________

    Defense minister’s remarks seem to depart from recent statements made by Israeli leaders.

    Defense Minister Ehud Barak was quoted on Thursday as saying he does not view Iran as a threat to Israel’s existence, a view that would seem to depart from Israeli statements of the recent past.

    Israel’s mass-circulation Yedioth Ahronoth daily quoted Barak, the head of Israel’s centre-left Labour party, as saying “Iran does not constitute an existential threat against Israel.”

    In response to a question about Tehran’s nuclear program which Israel has said it sees as destined to produce atomic weapons that could put its existence at risk, Barak said in an interview with the paper…

    “I am not among those who believe Iran is an existential issue for Israel.”

    Barak said “Israel is strong, I don’t see anyone who could pose an existential threat,” although he did add that he viewed Iran as a challenge to the whole world.

    Israeli leaders have repeatedly said they view Iran’s atomic development as a threat, pointing at President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s calls for the Jewish state to be wiped off the map, and support for groups seeking Israel’s destruction.

    Iran insists its nuclear program is solely intended for energy production.

    Western countries have sought to toughen sanctions against Iran, alongside efforts at dialogue by U.S. President Barack Obama, in an attempt to pressure Iran to halt its nuclear development.

    Israel is assumed to possess the only atomic arsenal in the Middle East.

  • omaar

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
    _________________

    Earl, You’re AIPAC TOOL
    __________________

    Israel & Weapons of Mass Destruction !!!
    __________________

    Although no official statistics exist, it has been estimated that Israel possesses up to [400 Thermonuclear Weapons] believed to be of Teller-Ulam design, including strategic warheads in the [Megaton-Range]

    Delivery mechanisms include Jericho intercontinental ballistic missiles, with a range of 11,500 km.

    Additionally, Israel is believed to have an offshore nuclear second-strike capability, using submarine launched nuclear-capable cruise missiles.

    The Israeli government maintains a policy of deliberate ambiguity on whether it has nuclear weapons, saying only that it would not be the first to “introduce nuclear weapons in the Middle East.”

    Former International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei regarded Israel as a state possessing nuclear weapons.

    Israel has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. However, on July 13, 2008, Israel took part in a regional conference of the Union for the Mediterranean which pledged to pursue a Middle East Zone free of weapons of mass destruction.

    Chemical weapons

    Israel has signed but not ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC). There are speculations that a chemical weapons program might be located at the Israel Institute for Biological Research (IIBR) in Ness Ziona.

    190 liters of dimethyl methylphosphonate, a CWC schedule 2 chemical used in the synthesis of Sarin nerve gas, was discovered in the cargo of El Al Flight 1862 after it crashed in 1992 en route to Tel Aviv. Israel insisted the material was non-toxic, was to have been used to test filters that protect against chemical weapons, and that it had been clearly listed on the cargo manifest in accordance with international regulations. The shipment was from a U.S. chemical plant to the IIBR under a U.S. Department of Commerce license.

    In 1993, the U.S. Congress Office of Technology Assessment WMD proliferation assessment recorded Israel as a country generally reported as having undeclared offensive chemical warfare capabilities.

    Former US deputy assistant secretary of defense responsible for chemical and biological defense, Bill Richardson, said in 1998 “I have no doubt that Israel has worked on both chemical and biological offensive things for a long time … There’s no doubt they’ve had stuff for years.”

    [edit] Biological weapons

    Israel is believed to have developed an offensive biological warfare capability.

    Israel is not a signatory to the Biological Weapons Convention (BWC). It is assumed that the Israel Institute for Biological Research in Ness Ziona develops vaccines and antidotes for chemical and biological warfare.

    While Israel is not known to be producing biological weapons currently, there remains speculation that Israel’s ability to start production and dissemination, if necessary, remains active

  • earljr1

    All the more reason, omaar, to view this saber rattling by Iran to be foolish and potentially dangerous to their own existence. The vast majority of Iranian’s, I’m sure, want only to live their lives peacefully and harmoniously. The militants are putting them in a position of great risk. If Israel is armed the way you described, are these militants insane? This is tantamount to playing Russian roulette, using the Iranian people as pawns. I have no doubt that Israel will do whatever is necessary to protect itself, history has proven this. The only question remaining, is how long do they wait before action is taken.

  • omaar

    Earl, You’re Kidding Yourself

    Israel’s the Reason why Other Nations in the Region will Nuclear Arm themselves.

    Israel has No Right to have Nuclear Weapons, Their [Illegally Obtained]

    Israel Does Not Want Other Nations in the Region To Have the Right to Nuclear Weapons, Israel being the [Exception]

    Its Called a Double Standard.

    ________________

    1. Nixon: 7 Years

    2. Carter: 7 Years

    3. Reagan: 8 Years

    4. George H.W. Bush: Vice.Pres. 8 Yrs & President 4 Years, Total: 12 years

    5. Clinton: 8 Years

    6. George W. Bush: 8 Years
    _________________

    Face The Hard Core Facts….

    Iran: Already Have [Nuclear Weapons] and they Have a Military Unlike Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia and Sudan…

    They have an Army that can Fight Back, that’s why We’re Smart Not to Play this Mad….

    [Attack Iran Game]

  • omaar

    Unless Israel is Nuclear Attacked By Iran, that would make Sense, but that won’t Happen.

    But If Israel Nukes Iran, Pakistan, India, Russia and China would Do Like Wise…

    No One Wins.

    So, You can Put All that Biblical Bull-Spit to Bed.

    Your Dooms Day Scenario, Aint Gonna Happen.

    If Israel were this Big Bad War Machine, why are they Not Attacking Iran ?
    ____________

    Because they Don’t Pick On Countries that Can Defend Themselves [Iran].

    Gaza, Palestine, Syria,Iraq have No Defense and are Defenseless [Crude Rockets] that’s about it.

    ______________

    Israel is trying to get Us [USA] Involved in Striking Iran, President Obama should say…

    Israel, what’s Stopping You ?

    I have Iraq, Afghanistan,Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia & Sudan to Contend with..

    Israel, you’ve not Participated in the 8 Year Long Iraq-Afghanistan Wars…

    Attack Iran on your Own, as You can [CLEARLY SEE] My War Schedule is Full, by All means, Bomb Iran, on Your Own.

  • earljr1

    YOU were the one touting Israel as a “big bad war machine”, omaar, not me. Should Iran be foolish enough to attack Israel with a nuclear weapon, Iran will cease to exist. If Israel were to preemptively remove Iran’s nuclear capability, it would be with conventional weapons. I have no doubt they are perfectly capable of doing this….it is just a matter of when. We can only hope and pray that elected officials in Iran come to their senses before this event is FORCED on them. What can you possibly mean by “Bible split”? At no point was the Bible even mentioned. You seem awfully paranoid, omaar.

  • omaar

    Israel Won’t Nuclear Attack Iran [Dummy]

    Leave that Bible Bull-Spit where it Belongs.

    If Israel ever Nuked Iran, it would also mean All Nations in the Region Close to Iran, not to mention, Mass Murder.

    You are a Hateful and hate Filled AIPAC-Zionist.

    You don’t Live in [Real Time-The Real World]
    ________________

    Continue Perpetuating Mass Murder.

    There is No Justification-Advocating of [Mass Murder.]
    _________________

    I Don’t SEE Israel Threatening China, India, Pakistan, France Or N.Korea ?

    Why is that ?

    Answer: They Only Pick on Insignificant Miliitary-Inept-Deficient Nations.

    Never Nations that can Fight Back.

    They’ve been Threatening to Bomb Iran for 5 Years [Tough-Talk]

    Their Scared, They just want Us [USA] to Involve ourselves so we can be Hated as they are, their Trying to PUNK Obama, he shouldn’t do it.
    ___________

    Let Israel Attack Iran, by Themselves and prove to the World their the Baddest Military Machine on the Planet [Ha !!] and stop trying to Involve [The USA]..
    ____________________

    We’re Too Busy with …

    [Iraq-Afghanistan-Yemen,Pakistan, Somalia & Sudan]

  • omaar

    _____________

    Israel is trying to get Us [USA] Involved in Striking Iran, President Obama should say…
    ______________

    Israel, what’s Stopping You ?

    I have Iraq, Afghanistan,Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia & Sudan to Contend with..

    Israel, you’ve not Participated in the 8 Year Long Iraq-Afghanistan Wars…

    Attack Iran on your Own, as You can [CLEARLY SEE] …

    My War Schedule is Full, by All means, Bomb Iran, on Your Own.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “The vast majority believed that the US helped Saddam Hussein wreak 1 million casualties on Iran in the 1980s–100,000 of them via poison gas…”

    And you don’t!?

  • haman1

    What a surprise and journalistic work! What does anyone expects Iran to do in a time or war? to sit on her hands or play cards? They will prepare and will get ready when they see they are surrounded by us. We have over 3 carrier task force stationed off of their coasts, over half a million troops stationed around them in Iraq and Afghanistan, WOOO that takes a Genius to figure out!!

    We have got us in a situation that has no easy way out. Iran has not threatened our territories or interests. We have moved into their neighborhood and yes they will defend themselves and they have done it for over 3000 years. So, get ready. They have been there for a long time.

    They have not forgot about our intervention into their domestic politics and the 1953 Que De ta that toppled their democratically elected government and 33 years of brutal Shah regime.

    So, think before you wish for somethinik.

  • dwightjones

    Iran is easy to “deal with”.
    Leave them alone.

    Leave Iraq alone, leave Afghanistan alone. Leave Pakistan alone.

    Get rid of the cancerous Pentagon justifying $700B a year for wars that are 100% criminal.

    Go home.
    Stay there.
    Pay your bills,

    Comprende?

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Word

  • anon76

    Sounds like a stealth Borgen campaign.

  • apr2563
  • pintortwo

    When Iranian officials threaten to wipe Israel off the map, should this threat not be taken seriously? -earljr #10
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    They didn’t (link):
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    Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad (is charged) with incitement to genocide, given his alleged call for Israel to be ‘wiped off the face of the map.’
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    As most of my readers know, Ahmadinejad did not use that phrase in Persian. He quoted an old saying of Ayatollah Khomeini calling for ‘this occupation regime over Jerusalem” to “vanish from the page of time.’ Calling for a regime to vanish is not the same as calling for people to be killed. Ahmadinejad has not to my knowledge called for anyone to be killed.
    (…)
    I renew my call to readers to write protest letters to newspapers and other media every time they hear it alleged that Ahmadinejad (or “Iran”!) has threatened to “wipe Israel off the map.” There is no such idiom in Persian and it is not what he said, and the mistranslation gives entirely the wrong impression. Wars can start over bad translations.
    (…)
    (Ahmadinejad) compares his call for an end to the Zionist regime ruling over Jerusalem to the Western call for the dissolution of the old Soviet Union. Was Ronald Reagan inciting to genocide when he called for an end of the Soviet regime?

  • pintortwo

    Per Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program ended by ’03 (link):
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    WASHINGTON, Nov 8, 2007 (IPS) – A National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran has been held up for more than a year in an effort to force the intelligence community to remove dissenting judgments on the Iranian nuclear programme, and thus make the document more supportive of U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney’s militarily aggressive policy toward Iran, according to accounts of the process provided by participants to two former Central Intelligence Agency officers.
    .
    But this pressure on intelligence analysts, obviously instigated by Cheney himself, has not produced a draft estimate without those dissenting views, these sources say. The White House has now apparently decided to release the unsatisfactory draft NIE, but without making its key findings public.
    (…)
    Former CIA officer Philip Giraldi… told IPS that intelligence analysts have had to review and rewrite their findings three times, because of pressure from the White House.
    .
    “The White House wants a document that it can use as evidence for its Iran policy,” says Giraldi. Despite pressures on them to change their dissenting conclusions, however, Giraldi says some analysts have refused to go along with conclusions that they believe are not supported by the evidence.

  • pintortwo

    More on the alleged nuclear program (link):
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    I have no way of knowing what really happened in Iran in 2003. But I do know this: the Russians didn’t begin construction on Iran’s first nuclear reactor until September 2002, and the International Atomic Energy Commission concluded there was no evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program in October 2003. So what kind of nuclear weapons program could Iran have possibly had at any time in 2003 that it supposedly halted?
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    If it existed at all, I’m thinking, it must have been the kind that only exists on the back of a bar napkin.

  • factsarefacts

    Dear Mr. Klein,

    Iranian people desserve a little more respect than “The vast majority believed that the US helped Saddam Hussein wreak 1 million casualties on Iran in the 1980s”. The entire world does not believe that the US helped Iraq during the invasion of the 80′s, the entire world knows that the US sold weapons to Saddam Hussein during these years.

    President Obama has not been willing to negotiate with Iran. When he first took office White House correspondents would hear him say: “that we respect the aspirations of the Iranian people, but we also have certain expectations of how an international actor behaves.” This was a clear message asking a concession from Iran if any direct talks were to happen.

    The “only real effort” made by the United State on this issue was the continuation of covert operations started by the Bush administration. On this you are right, “a real effort was made by Obama before June 12″.

  • GivenUp

    Actually Iraq had a military as well, for all the good it did them, and I seriously doubt the US needs to be worried about the Iranian Military:

    http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.asp

    Also, that Iran has nuclear weapons already is at best speculation, not a fact.

  • GivenUp

    Dang, link is broken, but the site has Iran at 18 and the US as 1 in world rankings for military strength, if it came down to it there is little doubt the US could win a shooting war, winning against the inevitable insurgency is another issue of course.

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