In the Arena

Memorial Day

Given the current frustration in Afghanistan, Rudyard Kipling’s poem, The Young British Soldier, seems an apt tribute to the insane difficulties of fighting and dying far away, especially the famous last stanza:

When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.

On a more inspiring and contemporary note, there’s this excellent story about women Marines working with Afghan women in Helmand province. Despite the stupidity, bias and brutality of some of their male comrades in arms–Nancy Gibbs has written about the stratospheric rape rates–these women serve us brilliantly.

On a personal note, I’d like to add a tribute to those American diplomats who also serve in Iraq and Afghanistan–and face many of the same dangers, especially ied’s and rockets, that the military does; some never come home, others suffer grievous wounds, all are marked forever by what they’ve seen. My oldest son has just completed a year of service in Baghdad…safely, Thank God.  Welcome home, Chris! Well done, and thank you.

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  • sacredh

    Thanks to all the vets and others that serve abroad to protect our freedoms. Whether we support the wars or not is immaterial, we all support the troops and owe them a debt we can never repay.

  • sacredh

    It’s been almost 2 hours since Joe posted this thread folks. Let’s show a little appreciation for those in uniform. We get to rant and rave because of their sacrifices.

  • sevenoaks07

    Thanks for the call sacredh. We owe a debt which is impossible to repay to our vets and their families. My family offered prayers at Church this morning.

    I am glad Joe’s son is safe. I had forgotten that link of his to Afghanistan.

  • sevenoaks07

    Sorry: I meant Iraq.

  • sacredh

    I’m on a long weekend and I work for Uncle Sam. There’s only a skeleton crew out tomorrow. Both guys are vets and I called a little while ago and told them not to bring in a lunch tomorrow. I’m going to take them in some grilled burgers, baked beans, potato salad and pie.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Just make sure you bring plenty sacred. I grilled for my son and a couple of his Marine buddies a couple of weeks ago. Amzaing what those boys can put away!

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    oops. amazing.

  • allthingsinaname

    Tomorrow we celebrate Memorial day. It is a a day of remembrance for those who gave their lives in the service of their country.
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    As a Veteran I do not wish to accept accolades that rightfully belong to others. I trip to a cemetery, Flower or a flag on a grave, something that a visiting family member widow, widower, child, might see and know that someone else cares what happen, would be a good thing.
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    Us Veterans have our day in November.
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    Thanks for understanding

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    The military, especially when faced with combat is a special place where heroism like very few, if any, will ever need in civilian life.

    We owe our freedom to these men and women.

    We are all aware that they do not choose the wars or choose where or how to combat, but just do so bravely.

  • ohiolibb

    To all the vets out there: you have our greatest thanks!

  • apr2563

    TPM has a running diary where people can express rememberance for someone who has served. There are some heart warming words thanking our service people.
    I have remembered Major Eugene Marx who served as a pilot in WWII and Korea. The jet he was testing during peace time blew up over Kansas and all were killed. He is my hero.
    Whether serving in just wars or preemptive wars, our service people are always to be remembered with gratitude.

  • apr2563
  • earljr1

    A deep, heart felt debt of gratitude and a prayerful remembrance for those who made the ultimate sacrifice on our (and our nation’s) behalf. To ALL veterans, thank you for your service and may God bless you, each and every one.

  • ilikechips

    Wow..Joe Klein. you really are an idiot ultra liberal. You looked like a jackass blaming the oil spill on Bush and saying somehow Republicans look bad..LOL. Do you truly realize how partisan and foolish you look. I don’t think you do. You must be jealous of crazy Keith.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2010/05/30/time-s-joe-klein-oil-spill-bush-s-second-katrina-republicans-look-wor

  • megatronrises

    And do you realize how partisan and foolish you look by citing a website like newsbusters??

  • apr2563

    ilikechips: Do you realize how mean spirited you are to use this thread to express your reactionary views? Really inappropriate.

  • freeinpa

    Don’t you realize you can only use liberal approved websites which are not partisan at all. And you can only be mean spirited if you make fun of Palin, Limbaugh or Hannity. Being against the war but supporting the troops is the liberal way– just ask our Viet Nam vets

  • apr2563

    freeper: Do you have any idea of how many people posting here have lost family and/or friends in an American war? Put away your hostility and try to pay honor to those who served our country no matter the political background and those that have grieved for them and those that just want to humbly thank them.

  • mikew67

    Nowhere to be found in all the talk of government spending; Defense. Now over $700 billion per year. No problem?

    Lift up the rock to find more slush funds, overspending and fraud, than even in Medicare.

    Balkingpoints / www

  • megatronrises

    Hi Joe,
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    Thanks for the Memorial Day post/tribute.

  • apr2563

    Joe, it would be nice if your son could post on Swampland and share some of his experiences. One of my favorite movies is The Man Who Would Be King by Kipling. It stars Sean Connery and Michael Caine. It tells a story of why it is futile for outsiders to try to change ancient cultures. I wonder if your son has any stories to tell us of the recognition of cultural differences that need to be recognized.

  • michaelfury

    “what if this whole crusade’s a charade
    and behind it all there’s a price to be paid
    for the blood on which we dine
    justified in the name of the holy and the divine?

    just how deep do you believe?
    will you bite the hand that feeds?
    will you chew until it bleeds?
    can you get up off your knees?
    are you brave enough to see?
    do you want to change it?”

    - Trent Reznor

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/payback/

  • freeinpa

    “Whether serving in just wars ”

    Speaking of hostility. Just wars? The service men who put their life on the line do so while folks like you debate “just wars”.

    Their service and memories should always be in our forefront and not just certain days of the year. And they shoud never be a punch line of politics of “just wars”,

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “How would YOU spend $1 trillion?”

    http://apps.facebook.com/onetrillion/

  • megatronrises

    If you should be keeping our troops in mind all the time instead of just one day, then it appears you should still have had some respect, instead of the usual none at all.
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    Also, I was pointing out the hypocrisy of claiming someone to be hyper-partisan by citing something that is also, in fact, hyper-partisan. Good job catching on.

  • apr2563

    jcpan: Thanks. Amazing what we could be doing with that money. Try as I might I couldn’t spend it all.

  • maverick2k9

    In other news, Israel kills atleast 16 people on the ship carrying aid to Gaza
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    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jm2wwDdOGTQUmQNjifdb9rU6f29g
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    I dont know how many more American soldiers will have to die because of Israel’s latest “they are all terrorists and must die” adventure.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Joe, considering the times, wouldn’t you say this is the appropriate Kipling poem?

    Recessional
    June 22, 1897

    GOD of our fathers, known of old—
    Lord of our far-flung battle-line—
    Beneath whose awful Hand we hold
    Dominion over palm and pine—
    Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
    Lest we forget, lest we forget!

    The tumult and the shouting dies—
    The captains and the kings depart—
    Still stands Thine ancient sacrifice,
    An humble and a contrite heart.
    Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
    Lest we forget, lest we forget!

    Far-call’d our navies melt away—
    On dune and headland sinks the fire—
    Lo, all our pomp of yesterday
    Is one with Nineveh and Tyre!
    Judge of the Nations, spare us yet,
    Lest we forget, lest we forget!

    If, drunk with sight of power, we loose
    Wild tongues that have not Thee in awe—
    Such boasting as the Gentiles use
    Or lesser breeds without the Law—
    Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
    Lest we forget, lest we forget!

    For heathen heart that puts her trust
    In reeking tube and iron shard—
    All valiant dust that builds on dust,
    And guarding calls not Thee to guard—
    For frantic boast and foolish word,
    Thy Mercy on Thy People, Lord!

  • kbanginmotown

    Thank you, allthingsinaname, for pointing this out.
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    Sadly, both days have become a “thank the vets+fallen soldiers” mashup.
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    I’m off to 2 parades now, but “Taps” is the song of the day…
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    RIP

  • newfreedomblog

    In a memoriam, one would put those silent thoughts to the air in hope it reaches the ones you pay respect. I do so today for my father, a World War II veteran who recently passed away, and those who I know he is retelling his stories with in the ever-after.
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    His devotion to this country was unwavering. His pride in his country was stalwart against all enemies foreign and domestic. His love of the American flag brought a great smile across his face when he looked out the window as it flew gloriously in the wind.
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    More than 1800 World War II veterans die each day. Soon, there will be only a few left to tell the tales of battles fought, buddies saved, and those who were lost in battles of long ago.
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    I salute you all with respect and gratitude. May God forever bless your souls.

  • Ivy_B

    In Flanders Fields
    by John McCrae, May 1915

    In Flanders fields the poppies blow
    Between the crosses, row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
    Scarce heard amid the guns below.

    We are the Dead. Short days ago
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie
    In Flanders fields.

    Take up our quarrel with the foe:
    To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high.
    If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
    In Flanders fields.

  • fhmadvocat

    Rusty,

    First of all, condolences over the lost of your father. I am sure he made you very proud of him.

    Thank you for reminding us that we are losing WWII vets at now, an alarming rate and that we owe these men and women an immense about of gratitute for the service they provided to our country. Even today we have but one veteran left from WWI.

    This is a day to really remember those who have sacrificed for our country. When you look at the number of soldiers who were killed in WWII, that we would lose as many in one battle than we lose in one year of fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, I have to wonder was it was like in those days to lose so many.

    Even today, because the information is so instant, I can’t think about for the families who lose love ones in today’s wars. Really, words can not express my admiration for those who put themselves on the line for this country.

  • sacredh

    2/3′s: I just got back from dropping them off their lunch. We had planned a big cookout for today but both my wife and I are under the weather so we scaled it back to just us here at the house. We did grill some t-bones and porterhouse steaks. The guys at work got one too. One of them proposed to me. What kind of a girl does he think I am? I would never marry a man hairier than me.

  • 53_3

    “This country owes them all a debt of gratitude. The down payment on that debt is making sure that we live up to Lincoln’s charge: to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan. “
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    Dave Obey

  • 53_3

    Our soldiers are the sword. For them, my gratitude.
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    The hand on the sword? It depends on how and why the sword is wielded. Never forget that it is our right and duty to question the brains behind that hand.
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    Let it be clear: Whether war is just or unjust, the soldeirs’ sacrifice should always be a point of honor and pride.

  • Ivy_B

    At 3:00 pm local time, pause for a moment in whatever you are doing and remember those who gave their lives.

  • apr2563

    Guess I could use the balance to pay off the deficit. Now that’s a novel idea.

  • apr2563
  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “…you can only be mean spirited if you make fun of Palin, Limbaugh or Hannity. Being against the war but supporting the troops is the liberal way– just ask our Viet Nam vets.’
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    The Vietnam War ended when I was TWO YEARS OLD. I am now 39 years old!
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    I had a relative who was ROTC in college and was, by no choice of his own, sent to Europe instead of Vietnam.
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    He is a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN and he never saw anybody spit on a soldier during that era except for ON TELEVISION!
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    Even back then, the overwhelming majority of anti-war protesters knew that it was WRONG to spit on or degrade the soldier.
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    I respect bravery! I believe in the United States. I hold war veterans of ALL WARS in high regard.
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    I do not hold all PRESIDENTS in their choices in equal regard. As far as Palin, the mistress of the death panel scare mongering, Limbaugh flaming racial hatred, misinformation and outright lies and his twin brother Sean – a college dropout who did construction for a living and is better suited to tell you how to unclog your toilet than to be a wise commentator on world events – they do nothing but spew venom. Not one of those three ever war the uniform, either.
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    So, taking this day of honoring the dead and making into your own soapbox is like doing farting jokes at a funeral.
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    You’re a real SOB, Freeinpa!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “The service men who put their life on the line do so while folks like you debate “just wars”.”
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    Damn, it, Freeper, don’t you wish that the Germans, Italians and Japanese during WWII had the freedom to debate what is and is not a just war?
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    If they did, there would never have been a WWII or even WWI, for that matter.
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    Those soldiers died so that we can debate what is a just war, an unjust war, a good president, a bad president, a good policy or a bad policy.
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    You disrespect them more than the spitters did when you try to claim that we should not question our government since they fought for a government which is there to be questioned, debated about and owned by it’s people rather than a people owned by their government as it was in both the far, far left of communism and it’s near twin in reality (if opposite in theory) far, far right of fascism.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “A true war story is never moral. It does not instruct, nor encourage virtue, nor suggest models of proper human behavior, nor restrain men from doing the things they have always done. If a story seems moral, do not believe it. If at the end of a war story you feel uplifted, or if you feel that some small bit of rectitude has been salvaged from the larger waste, then you have been made the victim of a very old and terrible lie. There is no rectitude whatsoever. There is no virtue. As a first rule of thumb, therefore, you can tell a true war story by its absolute and uncompromising allegiance to obscenity and evil.”

    “How to Tell a True War Story,” Tim O’Brien, 1990

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “The fallen gave their lives so we might enjoy freedom: However comforting, this commonplace assertion qualifies at best as a half-truth. Who can doubt that the soldier killed in battle at Gettysburg or on Omaha Beach died while advancing the cause of liberty? Whether one can say the same about the Americans who lost their lives assaulting Mexico City in 1847, suppressing Filipino demands for independence after 1898 or chasing rebels in 1920s Nicaragua is less clear, however.

    “In recent decades especially, the connection between American military intervention and American freedom has become ever more tenuous. Meanwhile, competence has proved notably hard to come by. Rather than being a one-off event, Vietnam inaugurated an era in which the United States has routinely misunderstood and repeatedly misused military power. Even as political authorities sent U. S. forces into action with ever greater frequency, decisive results — what we used to call victory — became more elusive. From Beirut and Bosnia to Iraq and Somalia, the troops served and sacrificed while expending huge sums of taxpayer money. How their exertions were helping to keep Americans free became increasingly difficult to discern.”

    Andrew J. Bacevich

  • mycophile

    This is a hit-and-run. Still immersed in an important project, I have not checked-in to Swampland for many months until today. And, momentarily, I shall return to that mode.
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    The subject of fallen soldiers is serious, calling us all to deep reflection. Were I to opine futher upon that, it would be long and complicated.
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    To many, it seems easily expressed in simple terms. All sodiers who died did so bravely. All who died in service did so protecting our freedom. Etc.
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    Some of those simple terms scare me. But at least they are on-point. Remembering soldiers who died.
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    Because then there’s the likes of ilikechips and freeinpa. What angry, helpless-feeling, sad individuals they must be to have such desperate needs to grab at any opportunity to spew political stereotypying invictives.

    Perhaps they are to Swampland the equivalent of the pollution entering the Gulf estuaries — stinky crudes to which there is no response that can mitigate their toxic effects without creating more damages.
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    Only because I shall now return to my self-banishment from Swampland do I dare having taken their bait to post this — for ilikechips and freeinpa will know that reply would not reach my eyes. Maybe they’ll just think about it.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Ass

  • apr2563

    http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/making/warprayer.html
    .
    Mark Twain’s War Prayer in response to Philipine War.
    “Ye prayed it, if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits!”
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    Powerful prose poem. Twain couldn’t get it published. He ordered it published after his death.

  • apr2563

    Welcome back mycophile. Try to comment more often.

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  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Twothirdbrain,
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    Have I ever told you how brilliant your responses are?
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    You just brilliantly refuted jcapan.
    .
    I wish there were a special font for sarcasm, since I would be using it right now.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “All sodiers who died did so bravely. All who died in service did so protecting our freedom. Etc.”
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    Agreed, but with limitations. Sure, some brave men were killed while sitting on the latrine when an enemy threw a grenade. Some of our first causalities in Vietnam were killed watching a movie by an enemy who hid behind the screen the soldiers were watching the movie. For those we grant them the benefit of the doubt that, had they had a chance to be, they would all have been brave.
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    Second, a huge majority of our soldiers believe that they are fighting for our freedoms, even if they are mislead by our political leaders.
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    “What angry, helpless-feeling, sad individuals they must be to have such desperate needs to grab at any opportunity to spew political stereotypying invictives.”
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    Spending way too much time than I should here, I have wondered what people who post here look and act like. I can imagine a huge majority of us, should you see us in person, well adjusted, mature and self assured people. But, with some of the wingnuts, I can imagine angry, bitter, maladjusted and, possibly, physically frail individuals overwhelmed with envy and bitterness.
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    I have a certain type of hunter-like instincts, and, sometimes, an excessive amount of time to take these people on in endless and, sometimes, meaningless debates, but, some of these people are, almost definitely very unhappy people who just like to spit venom whenever possible due to their own misfortune.

  • allthingsinaname

    I have refrained from responding to this post until after the observance of memorial Day.
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    I am a Vietnam vet, and I was against the war, as were many of the 58,000 teenagers who gave their lives so that you could post whatever you like.
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    It doesn’t mean that you should abuse the privilege, or use the opportunity to put words in their mouths to spread your hate.
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    Just a thought.

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