Bubba Did It

Seriously, the Republicans can scream all they want, but there’s nothing there.
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But go ahead, Darrell Issa and pursue “Obama’s Watergate” as much as you want. It’ll end as well for your party as that “Obama’s Waterloo” prediction did.

Bill Clinton? Why him? It’s fascinating that Rahm is using his old boss behind the scenes in this way.

Wasn’t Sestak an early and vocal HRC supporter in the primary? Also, I can’t think of anyone who exemplifies LBJ’s line about “better inside the tent aiming out than outside aiming in” than the frequently thin-skinned and always camera ready Bill Clinton. Consulting him behind the scenes, asking him to have a quiet word here and there, no doubt the role of elder eminence grise appeals mightily to the Big Dog’s Big Ego.

Agree totally with Jim’s thesis. But I think that any connection with Bubba will prove to tarnish, not burnish, Barack Obama’s reputation.

Maybe the Big Dog was repaying Specter for his “not proved” vote.
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All this is so silly.

Which summer political franchise needs to be retired?
> Bill Clinton
> Sarah Palin
> Karl Rove
> Rahm Emmanuel
Why do they never offer “All of the above”?

Oops. strike an “m” please

“You wonder what other quiet services the Big Lewinsky is performing for his predecessor.”
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Couldn’t resist – sorry.

=her=
I’m a gender idiot

Joe, I am honestly surprised you would engage in this nonsense. BTW, we have reached 1,000 dead troops in Afghanistan.

the Obama Administration may have been caught here in the commission of…politics
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…in the service of the incumbency racket.
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Not too meaningful of an offense in the Village, of course, but out here in the rest of the country…

finish your thought please.
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it is a meaningful offense?

It’s not much of a meaningful offense out here either.
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While I find this attempt to alter a primary distasteful, it happens within every administration. You really can’t stop someone from taking a job if it’s offered to them and politicians will continue to make such offers if they deem it beneficial to do so.
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It appears to me that Sestak got carried away in the heat of a primary campaign and tried to score points as an outsider when he floated this scenario. It was a short-sighted effort by Sestak and now he’s under pressure to explain it.

Little kevie, proves yet again, just how ignorant he is. His vision is so clouded by stardust that even obvious chicanery escapes his fragile grasp on reality. Politics, as usual, little kevie, is a nasty, corrupt game. Your esteemed leader has sullied himself….own up to it.

Not sure if you guys are aware of this, but it seems there’s a real issue with the fruits of the major parties’ incumbency rackets.
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People seem especially aggravated by this (link to The Hill report):

Poll: Dems gain, but incumbents still face a steep uphill climb
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By Eric Zimmermann – 05/15/10 11:38 AM ET
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Democrats picked up ground in a new generic balllot poll, but anti-incumbent sentiment remains intense.
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Democrats lead Republicans 45%-40% in the most recent Associated Press poll, a reversal from Republicans’ 44%-41% lead last month.
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But only 36% of respondents want to re-elect their own member of Congress, a 7 percentage-point drop from last month.

Politics –even entirely, predictably, proper and normal party politics for which there should be no unusual outrage or scandal (as in this case)– in the service of the incumbency racket is bad, especially now.
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Liberals don’t want to be in the position of defending this kind of thing. We’re not the ones who benefit from the incumbency racket, we’re trying to change it, despite the major parties’ best (and shortsighted) efforts.

What law was broken, earl?
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How is this different from offering John McHugh the Secretary of the Army job to get him out of NY-23, or offering Judd Gregg the Secretary of Commerce gig to get him out of NH-Sen?
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You think something wrong happened here, when this is as routine as it gets.
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And once again, you bring nothing to the table but name calling. No knowledge, no facts, not even an argument.

I guess I was confused sz.
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I thought you were implying that is meaningful offense in your first comment but then you say “entirely, predictably, proper and normal party politics for which there should be no unusual outrage or scandal (as in this case)”
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On protecting incumbents, or really any big footing from the party like Schummer did in Ohio with Hackett, is anti-democratic. I agree with you..

“change we can believe in”, little kevie…the promise that things would be different! He has broken virtually every promise made during those glorious campaign days and you CONTINUE to snooze (or make excuses) I realize that you are a slow learner, little kevie, but this kind of ignorance is pathological.

Oh, right, they violated the Change We Can Believe in Act of 2008. I forgot all about that legislation.
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Clutch your pearls harder, grandma. Maybe there’s someone out there who cares.

Oh Good Grief stuart, you and Palin can make a mountain out of a mole hill. You are missing the complete point anyway.
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I could care less about incumbency, just look at the new crop of politicians, what is going to change there? The point that is disappointing to me, is that the White House wanted to keep a Democrat out to keep a Republican in.

I’m going to disregard your having put me and Sarah Palin in the same sentence for a few minutes to ask you what you mean.
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What’s the point that I have missed, and can you please extrapolate on why don’t you care about the incumbency racket (like, don’t you think that primarying is a decent first step toward an accountable major party system)?

Ah, the density of the liberal mindset…quite astonishing, but not really surprising. Where I come from, little kevie, your word MEANS something and the way I was raised, confirmed that honesty was a meaningful standard. Your commentary speaks VOLUMES about your character (or lack of) AND your integrity. Not only are you painfully ignorant, but dishonest, too.

Your continuous use of ad hominem attacks and posts devoid of facts is quite unimpressive earljr1. You are certainly a typical example of the right-wingers that post here.

I mean that you a Palin both over exaggerate the situation.
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Do you honestly believe that all of the primaries that the GOP is facing have helped that Party? There is a certain validity in consistency. I think the same thing can happen to the Democratic Party; throw the bums out is a great idea, as long as we don’t replace the bum with a nut.
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In the case of Sestak and Spector, what the hell it is tit for tat. The difference is Spector was a whore, but Sestak is hardly a newcomer I do not know Spector maybe would have bee a more Democratic vote then Sestak, only time will tell.
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I think you need to look at this case by case

Y’all are missing an interesting point: If the White House and Bill Clinton assert that they were dangling a non-paying advisory position to a sitting congressman and former admiral inorder for him to bow out of the primary, what is the democrat party doing nominating a now-proven liar who claimed the White House offered him a JOB? The voters of Pennsylvania can’t be pleased to know that, at best, Sestak is full of hot air and gasses to self-aggrandize because, of course, we totally believe that Obama and Bill Clinton talked only about the gulf oil spill and war between North and South Korea yesterday when they had lunch yesterday instead of meeting to get their stories straight.

One has to wonder if the highly partisan Joe Klein would be so quick to poo poo the Sestak job offer as “just politics,” if it were to have occurred during a Republican administration. Me thinks not.

And now frack is heard from, so I presume he lumps himself into the same category as frick. Ignorant and dishonest. Great category to be in, frack, but not at ALL surprising. Honesty means nothing to you both…. hence, the total absorption of Obama’s propaganda. Enjoy your wallow in the pigpen, boys, you are truly IN your element.

Thanks for your response.
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Do you honestly believe that all of the primaries that the GOP is facing have helped that Party?
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Yes, if by “helped” you mean “helped to make it a more democratically accountable institution which can serve its long-term interests.”
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throw the bums out is a great idea, as long as we don’t replace the bum with a nut
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I’d say the bigger problem is that incumbents can be both bums and nuts, and that a system of replacing them needs to be fixed, even if we get replacements that are just as bad or worse.
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If we can make the system more agile and more accountable, then we have more of a chance at replacing the bums and nuts with the responsible and the competent, and so I’m willing to tolerate frying pan to fire moments in order to make that change.
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I do not know Spector maybe would have bee a more Democratic vote then Sestak, only time will tell.
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I agree with you that we’re not substituting FDR for RIck Santorum, of course.
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But unless primaries again become the means for electing the candidates we think will do the best job for us, and not the means by which party leadership rewards loyalty to its interests, we’ll be choosing between the lesser of two evils forever, and that system hasn’t gotten us very far as a country in this century, so far.

I always thought it was an exaggeration some stoners made that doctors like to get high on their own drugs, but, Earl is proof that I was not cynical enough about doctors.

Yeah, I guess that,for Republicans you do not try to offer somebody a position in government until after he looses to a dead person when running for Governor of Missouri like John Ashcroft.

We really need people with that kind of charisma that he is more useless than a corpse before he talks about a executive position.

While there are certain advantages to being an incumbent, I think your frustration steams from races you have nothing to do with. You, and I, want to throw the other guys politician out. I do not know why they vote for them either, and I also think that the government would work better with out them, however the other guy doesn’t like my politician, and thinks it would work better without my politician.
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Now I live in TX, in a Republican district, and I would like to throw out my two Senators, my Congressman, and my Governor, and most Republicans in General, but alas a primary will not help.
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A primary will not help me in Alaska, PA, NY, IA, MT, AZ, cuz I can not vote there and it is doubtful that anyone from those states will care what I think.
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I doubt that the Parties have a lock anything. If you want to change things, you have to change the voter. Good luck with that.

ISSA is just doing what he does best… making false accusations and undermining democratic rule of law:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/06/25/ISSA.TMP

This whole thing is designed by TeaBaggers like Issa to tank Sestak in the election.

Dirty politics from a dirty pol.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/06/25/ISSA.TMP

But people, earljr is a Christian, doctor, and rich man. He tells us everyday how holy and successful he is. Would he stoop to ad hominems and unChristian dialogue? No. He is too good.

Why are we always so shocked at political manipulation. I watched an excellent 1987 documentary on TCM called Broken Rainbow. It chronicled the forced removal in the 70s of the Navahos from their tribal reservation in Arizona for the benefit of coal and uranium mining interests.
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The documentary featured 2 political leaders who supported this dislocation. They sat stoicly as Native Americans came to testify before them pleading to stay in their homeland. The leaders were Barry Goldwater and Mo Udall. Although I disagreed with Barry Goldwater’s political philosophy, I always considered him a straight shooter. Mo Udall was one of my political heroes. Why am I suprised? Political corruption has been in existence forever.

My goodness, april, you, too, condoning dishonesty! Surely as a school teacher you condemned such practice. What is happening in America that subterfuge and slimy are now acceptable standards? You forget, april, I am an independent voter(albeit, conservative) who voted FOR Obama, because I believed his promise to make things better and to always tell the truth. Truth MATTERS to me (a great deal) None of those promises were fulfilled….he is just another scheming politician and the luster has faded. If the polls are any indication, a great number of Americans are feeling just as disillusioned as me.

As citizens we are all a bunch of idiots to tolerate this kind of behavior. Grow up, people – this isn’t a TV show. The people in DC are dealing with real lives. I’ve made a commitment to myself to not vote for a single incumbent this year, regardless of his/her party. Can everyone else do that? Probably not. Why? Because you’re part of the problem. “I don’t want my congressman to be voted out because he has a lot of power – I want all the other ones voted out.” Anyone that does not have that a freshman congressman can be just as effective as a 40 year veteran has no faith in the Constitution, no faith in their fellow citizens. To me, that’s about un-American as it gets. Vote them all out!

anyone that believes this BS is a fool.. I voted for Clinton “I did not have sexual relations with that girl” .. He is as bad as Obama a LIAR.. it’s not what they do it’s the lies.. I had 3 kids and the one thing they knew would bring them grief is not the actions but the lies.. first of all WHY would Clinton offer ANYONE a job FOR anyone?? He is NOT anything anymore.. but a has been President.. at which he was not that great his first term.. and WHY if that was all it was did it take so long to come up with that BS story?? Than we have the little thing with the IL governor who seems to have the same problem with this adminstration.. seems where ever they go they spread misspoken, misunderstood, and MIS everything.. seems strange to me.. every time we deceive a tangled web we do weave.. and when the chickens come home to roost, there will be many who’s goose will be cooked…

“An inside job? An inside job? How dare you! How dare you!”

- Bill Clinton

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/valor/

I guess the real question here is: Does anybody really care?

earljr1, totally agree with all you said, so rightttt!!!!! kevie is an idiot, think about it kevie, they bring in clinton Thursday most likly rahm emanuel since he knows clinton very well and did his dirty work for him, to have ” lunch” with obama, then they come out with the big revelation Friday, when if its as simple as they try to make it out then why the hell did they not just end it months ago and tell it like it is, because its a big fat lie! I think that obama made the job offer and I think it was a big job everyone knows thats how chicago politics is, and it boggles the mind that anyone would really believe that our expresident is going to offer just a measly non paying job that as a sitting congressman he cannot really do so please everyone who is lying???? President Clinton was the scapegoat here, they used him, an expresident whose wife is the Secratary of State , pleaseeeeee!! This smells to high heaven, and the press and media fall for it, they will just let it pass as time mag. is. no wonder time mag is losing readers, who can trust it at all, the guy that goes on morning joe every Thursday from time when asked if he was covering it, he did not even know anything, if its anything that might be negative to obama they don’t cover it. and joe klein thinks the oil spill disaster is Bush’s fault, now talk about delusional!

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