The Gulf Oil Spill: A Crisis The White House Can’t Yet Answer

President Obama’s press office long ago developed a system for dealing with crisis, whether it be a flu epidemic, a natural disaster or an attempt at terrorism on U.S. soil: After confirming the seriousness of the threat, the president’s aides respond with overwhelming force.

Reporters get emailed updates at all hours detailing the president’s engagement, the latest meetings in the Situation Room and the regular intergovernmental conference calls. President Obama appears before cameras, either solemn or professorial, calm or perturbed, to explain his response in simple, declarative sentences. Aides leak quotes from the Oval Office, in which the president invariably calls for sweeping investigations, the application of all government resources, or a total top-to-bottom review of what went wrong. And then, just as it began, the crisis tends to pass. The terrorist suspect is lugged off to jail. The fallen coal miners are buried. The epidemic runs its course.

But the man-made oil leak gushing into the Gulf of Mexico, now in its second month, has refused to follow that course. On Tuesday April 20, an explosion killed 11 people on the Deepwater Horizon. Three days later, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told the press that he believed the underwater leak had been capped. But it had not. Within a week, it became clear that no one knew exactly how to stop the calamity from spreading.

The press office followed its script, emailing reporters updates of the president’s schedule. Investigations were launched, a presidential visit staged, cabinet-level agencies mobilized. Administration officials told reporters that the White House would keep its “boot on the neck” of the BP officials responsible for the cleanup. That was followed by plans announcing harsher regulation of industry, and new legislation to lift the cap on corporate damages. But the oil kept spouting.

Statistics were distributed—22,000 personnel responding, 1.75 million feet of containment boom, 815,000 gallons of dispersant. President Obama appeared in the Rose Garden to condemn the “ridiculous spectacle” of oil industry executives dodging blame before Congress. Yet still an untold amount of oil continued to flow 5,000 feet below. A poll taken by CNN a month after the spill began found that 51 percent of Americans disapproved of Obama’s handling of the spill. Sixty-two percent of Americans said they were not confident in the federal government’s ability to prevent another spill.

On Monday, the White House attempted to take the burgeoning problem head on, bringing Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen, who is leading the response, into the White House briefing room to explain in detail the government’s efforts. But Allen brought little good news.

He said a well cap at this depth “hasn’t been done in the history of oil drilling before,” and that so far efforts had demonstrated only limited results. “The ultimate solution is going to be to drill a relief well, take the pressure off that well and cap it,” Allen continued. “That will be sometime in August.” In other words, the oil is likely to keep flowing for months more, with potentially horrific consequences for sea life and coastline from Louisiana to Florida, if not beyond.

The government, Allen explained, was doing a lot, but when it came to the actual leak, it could not do enough alone.  BP, the company responsible for the sunken rig, was undertaking the effort with federal supervision. “The government doesn’t have everything we need to solve this problem,” Allen explained. “To push BP out of the way would raise the question to replace them with what?”

In other words, there is no obvious answer for Obama, other than to plod forward and prepare for more agony. The American people, long ago disillusioned by the failures of our national institutions of authority, must now witness another massive disappointment. Meanwhile, the political class is looking for any safe ground it can find. On Sunday, Sarah Palin, the once-proud “drill-baby-drill” pundit, blamed Obama for being too cosy with oil companies, even though she offered no evidence, beyond campaign donations from BP, to back up her claim. Liberal pundit Dan Froomkin, of the Huffington Post, went on MSNBC to draw a dreaded comparison. “Initially, I thought the Katrina moment criticisms were a bit out of line,” he said, “but I’m starting to think that the analogy isn’t completely off.”

In a fact sheet released Monday night, the Administration announced that 10.8 million gallons of an oil-water mix had been removed from the sea. Left unmeasured were the vast, ever-growing quantities that remain.

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  • nflfoghorn

    Better get that Kevin Costner Waterworld Machine ready….
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    http://www.global-adventures.us/2010/05/24/oil-spill-cleanup-solution/

  • maverick2k9

    Why are the republicans looking at govt to step in??

    Whatever happened to the conservative concepts of personal/corporate responsibility and “Govt is the problem”?

  • square1

    Froomkin is 100% right. The Katrina comparison is entirely fair. 3 days after the initial explosion, the WH thought the problem was solved? Heck of a job, guys.
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    For all my distaste of Obama’s corporatist leanings, I suspect that he would have made a decent Senator if he had remained in that job. But while his consensus-building instincts are well-suited to the job of a legislator, Obama’s personality is not one of a chief executive. Obama is pathologically incapable of LEADING.
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    It’s too bad that what we desperately need is a leader.

  • 3xfire3

    Obama’s response to the Gulf oil spill is no better or no worse than Bush’s response to Katrina.
    Both show poor performance by our Chief Executives.
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    Bush could have done more after Katrina.
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    Obama could have done more after this giant oil spill.
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    Both are guilty of poor personal management of these two crisis.

  • deconstructiva

    You could repost this verbatim at the next MS post about DADT. This thought answers my questions there, thanks.

  • Art Pepper

    I’m entirely willing to believe the Federal Government has screwed up its response, but I haven’t seen any concrete suggestions for what they should have done.

    I’m not talking about the larger question of government oversight of offshore drilling. I’m talking specifically about the disaster response.

    The criticism here seems to be that the oil spill is a huge f###ng ongoing disaster that nobody is sure how to stop. Well, I get that.

    The implicit ciricism seems to be that the Federal government hasn’t waved its magic wand and brought out the super secret oil-spew-capping technology (which it was evidentally hiding from BP?)

  • Art Pepper

    So if the WH had realized after day 3 that the spill was not in fact capped, it would have … ? And this would have resolved or ameliorated the disaster by … ?

  • abdullah69

    Stupid cubed, with your apparently unparallelled knowledge of coastal disasters, maybe you could be more specific about the actions that should have been taken in either situation by either President, albeit the hindsight available to a critique of Bush makes the comparison less than fair.

    Or maybe you should just go back to abusing yourself over Timothy McVeigh’s autobiography instead.

  • square1

    Your response, Art Pepper, suggests that the administration should get a pass on its pathetic disaster response unless Obama’s critics can conclusively prove that there was some specific action that the administration should have taken that would have solved the leak by now.
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    Simply put, I reject that standard.
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    If the administration did not know that the well was continuing to gush 3 days after the accident it is for at least one of two reasons: (a) they didn’t take sufficient steps to investigate the scope of the problem or (b) BP affirmatively lied to the administration.
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    If the former, then the administration is every bit as pathetic as the Bush adminsitration was following Katrina. If the latter, then it is simply inexcusable that the administration continues to defer to BP more than a month later.
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    I don’t expect the administration to perform miracles. What I do expect is that they take the appropriate steps to make success as probable as possible.

  • GivenUp

    I’ll have to agree on this count for sure, if you guys want something to be mad at read this: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/11/865387/-Fishgrease:-DKos-Booming-School

    There is something concrete to be upset about, what the really scary thought is, is that what is happening right now may be the best we can do as far as stopping the spill at the the source, what if there is really no way to stop the leak? It is entirely possible that we had the technology to create a problem which we do not have the power to solve.

    Also to put Katrina comparisons in perspective, the administration was on the job from day 1, regardless of the fact that they may have been ineffectual there was not a lag of three whole days.

    I will now apologize preemptively for any incoherence, if this makes no sense ignore it and chalk it up to the fact that it is 1:20 and i have no business commenting at this hour. Really should be sleeping.

  • deconstructiva

    Given, you sound coherent to me and you’re in central time zone (I’m eastern). No doubt this spill is major problem but creative thinking is badly needed; std. by-the-book methods aren’t working. Should others try also (Corps of Engineers? N.O. levees aside, that is)? There have been many problems that somehow got solved. My fave is Apollo 13. By any normal measure Lovell’s crew should’ve died but everyone found ways to stay alive using only what was on board and LOTS of quick thinking. (hell, if no one will post at MS’s latest dadt piece then will post here)

  • Art Pepper

    I guess I just don’t understand the criticism.
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    Here is what AP reported on 4/23, three days after the explosion:
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    Coast Guard Rear Adm. Mary Landry said no oil appeared to be leaking from a well head at the ocean floor, nor was any leaking at the water’s surface. But she said crews were closely monitoring the rig for any more crude that might spill out.

    The crew was finishing the well about 50 miles off the Louisiana coast when the rig exploded. Officials have not said what caused the blast, and the oil they are dealing with now is left over from the explosion and sinking.

    “If it gets landward, it could be a disaster in the making,” said Cynthia Sarthou, executive director for the environmental group Gulf Restoration Network.

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    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-oil-rig-explosion-20100424,0,1804008.story
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    So the problem is that the Coast Guard screwed up? However, the Coast Guard reversed themselves on 4/24:
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    The Coast Guard says oil is now leaking from the damaged well that fed a massive rig that exploded this week off Louisiana’s coast.
    Guard officials on Saturday estimated that as much as 1,000 barrels of oil is escaping each day from the well head on the ocean floor, increasing the threat to the Gulf’s fragile ecosystem.

    As recently as Friday, the Coast Guard said no oil appeared to be leaking. Rear Adm. Mary Landry said on Saturday that the leak was a new discovery but could have begun when the rig sank on Thursday, two days after the initial explosion.

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    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9F9M8V00&show_article=1.
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    What I do expect is that they take the appropriate steps to make success as probable as possible.
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    OK, but like what? I don’t mean to be a jerk; this whole line of argument has been perplexing to me. The Federal response has been “pathetic” but there is nothing in particular they failed to do, or should have done differently, other than the Coast Guard misestimating the scope of the disaster at first. Basically, it seems to come down to “why doesn’t somebody do something?”
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    To be sure, there is plenty of blame to spread around on the larger question of offshore drilling.

  • redraven937

    Bush’s response to Katrina was criticized because there were more they could have done in the wake of the disaster. Here is a timeline reminder (ThinkProgress is probably partisan, it’s just the first Katrina timeline I pulled off Google):

    http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/

    If you want to draw parallels, by all means, tell us what more Obama, the Federal government, and/or world-class engineers can do about this. If Gibbs said “oil spill is contained” or whatever on Day 3, by all means, that is open to criticism.

    But this “be a leader” nonsense? Do you want Obama to put on a dive suit and fix it himself? How exactly does one “lead” in this sort of situation? It’s like seeing your neighbor’s house on fire: you “lead” by calling the fire department and otherwise letting the professionals do their job, not by telling the firefighters where to aim the hose. Give them the resources and empower them to the degree where they can make decisions quickly.

    If you got some other insights into how Obama (or anyone) could “lead” in the situation better, by all means, share with the rest of the class.

  • ericnwinter

    If this well is not capped this week, I predict it will cost Obama the election in 2012, regardless of anything else that happens.

  • apr2563

    givenup: I posted fishgrease’s Daily Kos comments here a couple of days ago, warning of his salty language. It is important to see what the pros have to say.
    I am tired of the commentators like Chris Matthews yelling for something to be done. He thought a fleet of subs might solve the problem. What a fool.
    Rachel Maddow interviewed Steven Chu this evening. He is the Secretary of the Navy and nobel winning scientist. She was very firm with him. I learned what they are doing and Rachel let him know people expect more efficiency and communications.
    My feeling is nobody knows what to do. I read that in some countries it is regulated that when doing off shore drilling the company drilling must have a 2nd drill hole dug at the same time. That is something BP is just doing and it takes months.
    I knew that Obama would inherit departments that had spent 8 years undermining regulations. That the departments were seeded with incompetent party hacks. The traditional media ignored this for 8 years. Obama should have immediately ordered his department heads to do personnel reviews and to determine what regs had been undermined. MMSA has ignored their duties for too long and have been culpable in the coal mining and oil rig deaths among others.

  • apr2563

    Thanks redraven. Hopefully the media will stop being hysterical long enough to be helpful.

  • apr2563

    Here is mean old Rachel Maddow interviewing Dr. Steven Chu, Energy Secretary. See how easy she is on the administration. See how a reporter does her research and asks good questions with follow ups.
    Mean Rachel Maddow.
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/25/energy-secretary-steven-c_n_588217.html

  • chip1black

    Don’t confuse natural disasters with which humans have generations of experience, on the one hand, and deep sea drilling with which we have much more limited experience.

    If you want to blame Obama for something, blame him for encouraging us to believe that we should depend on more offshore drilling to feed our petroleum habit. Gradually each new bit of oil we drill will be harder and more risky to get at than the last bit. Get used to problems like this. This is what you have to look forward to.

    Yeah. It’ll probably be August before the problem gets solved. It’d be the same if someone else were President.

  • ericnwinter

    I should have added that ANY President who loses the Gulf coast, for any reason, will/would not be re-elected.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    I don’t like the Katrina analogy. Obama shouldn’t be blamed for the spill or the flailing attempts thus far to counter it.

    However, IMO, this doesn’t quite let him or his “leadership” off the hook either. His split-the-baby decision to pursue further offshore drilling, in an utterly vain attempt to secure republican votes, is yet another democratic abandonment of a core liberal position. Krug’s column Monday also underscores how absurd such corporate chuminess is–big oil will continue to hedge their bets and fund both parties’ candidates but we all know where this is going in coming cycles.

    Leadership also shouldn’t involve lying about the dangers of offshore drilling as he did just weeks before the disaster. Leadership might have lead him to abandon his initial, f’ing irrational support of expanded drilling. Leadership, of a liberal persuasion, might even have seized upon this once in a generation opportunity to mobilize a genuine (not faux) movement to reverse the rapacious behavior under his predecessor (i.e. see this as the wonderful teaching moment that it could have been).

    This is, however, both blindly naive given his centrist bonafides, as well as a natural turn of events after HCR and the financial bill. A liberal would have taken these various industries to task in such a way that populisim in America might mean more than strapping a gun to your hip and going to see Sarah or Rand talk. Such leadership would have changed the conversation and thus the landscape. But, hey, it’s not his Katrina, rest assured. It is, apparently, the leadership we deserve.

  • flameworker

    Obama’s Katrina?

    Let’s see. Obama was warned days in advance that there would be a disastrous oil rig explosion and subsequent record oil leak and yet he failed to act.
    Obama should have sent the entire fleet of the ORRT (the US Oil Rig Repair Team) immediately to take over the repair.
    Obama also ate cake(birthday?) with unimportant Mexican official when he should have been directing all of his attention to capping the oil.
    Obama ordered tons of VEMA (Veterinary Emergency Management Agency) dispatched to the coast but evacuate oysters and birds from the area sit offshore, unused.
    Obama ignores reports that hundreds of pelicans are made ill by VEMA cages wreaking of formaldehyde. Avian lawsuits are pending.

  • kevin

    Yeah, I’m with Art on this one. I just don’t understand the criticism.
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    This is nothing like Katrina — no advance warning, no delayed response, no acceptance of responsibility by a private business, no failure on what were clear government duties, etc. etc.

  • kevin

    How does he “lose the Gulf Coast”?
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    He should check the cushions of the couch. That’s where the car keys always wind up.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Again, comparisons between this situation and Katrina should rest on one and only one question. What should have been done different?
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    As I said on a JK thread last night, sometimes we have to face the fact that we’re not in control of everything. Such admissions are political poison, but that doesn’t make them any less true…….

  • bpbeyondphkd

    What else could he have done? How about trying to understand the scope of the disaster at the outset. How about not hiding behind a ridiculously low government oil flow rate. I understand the problem in the fix, but come on how about the cleanup, surely the Administration could have mobilized assets better. How about knocking off the touristy fly-overs by administration officials.

    Oh, and by the way if anyone down on the Gulf Coast is looking for something to do this Memorial Holiday Weekend…I hear Obama is throwing a party in Chicago for the occassion.

    Oh, and by the way…I voted for this joker!

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    differently……

  • gysgt213

    A motherjones reporters account:
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    It’s BP Oil. Running the corporate blockade at Louisiana’s crude-covered beaches.
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    “Elmer’s Island Wildlife Refuge, even after all the warnings, looks worse than I imagined. Pools of oil black and deep stretch down the beach; when cleanup workers drag their rakes along an already-cleaned patch of sand, more auburn crude oozes up. Beneath the surface lie slimy washed-up globules that, one worker says, are “so big you could park a car on them.”
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    It’s Saturday, May 22nd, a month into the BP spill, and I’ve been trying to get to Elmer’s Island for the past two days. I’ve been stymied at every turn by Jefferson Parish sheriff’s deputies brought in to supplement the local police force of Grand Isle, a 300-year-old settlement here at the very southern tip of Louisiana.
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    At the turn to Elmer’s Island Road, a deputy flags us down. Can’t go to Elmer’s; he’s just “doing what they told me to do.” We continue on to Grand Isle beach, where toddlers splash in the surf. Only after I’ve stepped in a blob of crude do I realize that the sheen on the waves and the blackness covering a little blue heron from the neck down is oil.
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    The blockade to Elmer’s is now four cop cars strong. As we pull up, deputies start bawling us out; all media need to go to the Grand Isle community center, where a “BP Information Center” sign now hangs out front.
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    Grand Isle residents are not amused by the beach
    closing. Inside, a couple of Times-Picayune reporters circle BP representative Barbara Martin, who tells them that if they want passage to Elmer they have to get it from another BP flack, Irvin Lipp; Grand Isle beach is closed too, she adds. When we inform the Times-Pic reporters otherwise, she asks Dr. Hazlett if he’s a reporter; he says, “No.” She says, “Good.” She doesn’t ask me. We tell her that deputies were just yelling at us, and she seems truly upset. For one, she’s married to a Jefferson Parish sheriff’s deputy. For another, “We don’t need more of a black eye than we already have.”
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    “But it wasn’t BP that was yelling at us, it was the sheriff’s office,” we say.
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    “Yeah, I know, but we have…a very strong relationship.”
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    “What do you mean? You have a lot of sway over the sheriff’s office?”
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    “Oh yeah.”
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    “How much?”
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    “A lot.”
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    When I tell Barbara I am a reporter, she stalks off and says she’s not talking to me, then comes back and hugs me and says she was just playing. I tell her I don’t understand why I can’t see Elmer’s Island unless I’m escorted by BP. She tells me BP’s in charge because “it’s BP’s oil.”
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    “But it’s not BP’s land.”
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    “But BP’s liable if anything happens.”
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    “So you’re saying it’s a safety precaution.”

    “Yeah! You don’t want that oil gettin’ into your pores.”
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    “But there are tourists and residents walking around in it across the street.”
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    “The mayor decides which beaches are closed.” So I call the Grand Isle police requesting a press liason, only to get routed to voicemail for “Melanie” with BP. I call the police back and ask why they gave me a number for BP; they blame the fire chief.
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    I know I posted to much but the entire thing is worth the read. http://motherjones.com/environment/2010/05/oil-spill-bp-grand-isle-beach

  • freeinpa

    There is one major difference between Katrina and the spill. No federal agency approved any permits for a hurricane. Nor did Bush give FEMA an award for safety. For all the clamoring for more government regulation, it was a failure of government regulation that led the spill. Just like the failure of government to oversee Fannie and Freddie that has crushed housing and the financial markets.

    Obama did not go down to the Gulf for 12 days after the accident. Bush was condemned for not going sooner which would have been nothing but a show of empathy. With the Gulf and drilling at a standstill we have 20% of our energy source closed. A bit of a difference.

    Obama’s response has been consistent— blame someone else. In the end it is becoming an excuse for more regulation and raising taxes. Every problem is now a crisis with the end result of more regulation and more taxes.

    A more interesting question might be: would BP have been drilling this hole one mile deep if other option might have been open like say in Alaska or off the coast of CA that might not have been as deep and fraught with problems associated with that depth. The environmentalists put a stop to those to “preserve the environment” and now we have one that may be ruined for decades. Job well done!

  • gysgt213

    “A more interesting question might be: would BP have been drilling this hole one mile deep if other option might have been open like say in Alaska or off the coast of CA that might not have been as deep and fraught with problems associated with that depth.”
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    freeinpa. The answer is yes they would. The oil companies will drill where ever they are allowed too to find oil. That’s what they do and that’s how they make money. They would drill through your living room if you opened up to them and there was oil there. And they would do this despite the fact there are plenty other places for them to drill.

  • http://jrgilb0729.wordpress.com jrgilb0729

    After the Valdez incident the REPUBLICAN controlled Congress passed a law mandating that the oil companies were totaly responsible (environmentally and financially) for any oil spill that they cause. The Federal Government was limited ENTIRELY to OVERSIGHT ONLY.

    I find it totally amusing that the Republicans now want to stick this whole mess on Obama. Where were you people when the Republicans de-regulalated Wall Street, the Airline Industry and Big Oil. Now it’s the Dems problems??? Freinds like you NOBODY needs.

    With the help of Palin, Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck the Right Wingers have a plentiful supply of “OTHER PEOPLE” to blame for EVERYTHING.

    Try to keep one thing in mind. If the Repubs get control again in November, the’re going to be expected to do something POSITIVE AND PRODUCTIVE. That doesn’t include pissing and moaning. WOW, you’re going to have to learn a new vocation. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT CHALLENGE.

  • diecash1

    blame someone else……..it was a failure of government regulation that led the spill.

    Yeah, you’re consistent with that one. Silly me, I thought it was BP’s blatant disregard for safety while attempting to pursue ever greater profit that was the cause of this disaster.
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    But the trouble was just beginning: when drilling resumed, Williams says there was an accident on the rig that has not been reported before. He says, four weeks before the explosion, the rig’s most vital piece of safety equipment was damaged.
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    Down near the seabed is the blowout preventer, or BOP. It’s used to seal the well shut in order to test the pressure and integrity of the well, and, in case of a blowout, it’s the crew’s only hope. A key component is a rubber gasket at the top called an “annular,” which can close tightly around the drill pipe.
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    Williams says, during a test, they closed the gasket. But while it was shut tight, a crewman on deck accidentally nudged a joystick, applying hundreds of thousands of pounds of force, and moving 15 feet of drill pipe through the closed blowout preventer. Later, a man monitoring drilling fluid rising to the top made a troubling find.
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    “He discovered chunks of rubber in the drilling fluid. He thought it was important enough to gather this double handful of chunks of rubber and bring them into the driller shack. I recall asking the supervisor if this was out of the ordinary. And he says, ‘Oh, it’s no big deal.’ And I thought, ‘How can it be not a big deal? There’s chunks of our seal is now missing,’” Williams told Pelley.
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    And, Williams says, he knew about another problem with the blowout preventer.
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    The BOP is operated from the surface by wires connected to two control pods; one is a back-up. Williams says one pod lost some of its function weeks before.
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    Transocean tells us the BOP was tested by remote control after these incidents and passed. But nearly a mile below, there was no way to know how much damage there was or whether the pod was unreliable.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/16/60minutes/main6490197.shtml
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    Government oversight appears to have been lacking in this case, on W’s watch no less and possibly extending into Obama’s too.
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    What I find truly pathetic is that you place the blame for the accident not upon BP, the company in charge of the operation, but upon the government. Don’t you want government to get out of private industry’s way so they can do the job as they see fit?
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    I suppose that you’re now going to blame the cleanup effort on the government too, right? After all, they are supposed to clean up corporate America’s mess, aren’t they?

  • 53_3

    “A more interesting question might be: would BP have been drilling this hole one mile deep if other option might have been open like say in Alaska or off the coast of CA that might not have been as deep and fraught with problems associated with that depth.”
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    freeinpa:
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    This isn’t a case of just sucking the oil out from under the ground from another location. In the first place, the oil that was tapped was only available at that location.
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    There may or may not have been (or isn’t) any oil to be found at any of the drilling leases offshore either in CA or AK.
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    You might have a case if the Earth was just this giant balloon with oil inside it and a sort of rocky crusty scum floating on top, but really freeinpa, the Earth ain’t built like that!
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    Go ask any geologist…

  • newfreedomblog

    As I have said previously, Obama is responsible for this oil mess as Bush was responsible for Katrina. The hurricane in and of itself was not the problem. The flooding as a result 3 days post hurricane did impact the people in NO. This is a relevant comparison, both Presidents failed at their jobs. Period.
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    But the difference is we are now 34 days into this environmental crisis, and this Administration is all over the news shows trying to fend off criticism. I haven’t seen so many different Admin croonies on Fox News in a year, they have litterally come out of the woodwork to spin this as fast as possible to deflect the $hit which is now hitting the fan.
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    Why is that, anyone?

  • kevin

    For all the clamoring for more government regulation, it was a failure of government regulation that led the spill.
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    No, it was a failure of Republican government regulation that led to the spill.
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    Just because Republicans didn’t take the job of regulating seriously — to the point that they took BP’s assurances that they would be safe as good enough for them, and then traded in sex and drugs with oil company representatives — that doesn’t mean that government regulatory oversight itself is a failure. It just means that Republicans failed at it.
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    There’s a old saying that applies here: Republicans are the ones who campaign on the premise that government is incompetent, and then get in office and prove it.

  • 3xfire3

    bpbeyond,
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    Good logical Post.

  • bpbeyondphkd

    Why don’t you look into how many environmental deepwater drilling waivers have been issued by the Obama Administration SINCE the Deepwater Horizion exploded? What about Obama opening up new areas for oil exploration off the East Coast just weeks before this disaster? I do not consider myself Republican or Democrat, but American. These politicians are all full of it as far as I’m concerned. I voted for Obama and I’m less than thrilled with the results.

  • flameworker

    You said: What else could he have done? How about trying to understand the scope of the disaster at the outset. How about not hiding behind a ridiculously low government oil flow rate.

    So Obama should have been yelling that it was a bleeping humongous disaster with bajillions of barrels of oil spewing instead of what BP was telling him.

    And that would have changed the outcome HOW exactly?????

  • dthoran

    Instead of throwing everything on the shoulders of BP and sitting back criticizing, in this scenario, you throw the full might and resources of our country at the problem until it gets solved. You pull out all the stops and use everything at our disposal to stop the entire gulf coast from being destroyed. Many people’s livelihoods are in jeopardy, not to mention the severe impact to our ecosystem.

    Do whatever it takes to fix it, spare no manpower, resource, or expense, then after it is all said and done, make BP repay the cost.

    Don’t just sit back and say its BP’s problem, continue to go golfing and wait while millions more gallons are pouring into the sea.

    This has a potentially farther reaching, and more catastrophic consequence attached to it than even Katrina.

    Side note: Personally I have no knowledge of oil rig drilling, but it seems that there should have been more safety precautions in place? Emergency shut off valves? I don’t know, I need to do my homework there.

  • allthingsinaname

    I also do not see the connection with Katrina, the dislocation of tens of thousands of people, and the destruction of as city,
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    Tell me how the US government is better able to deal with the oil leak then BP. It is not something that our Military exactly practices for.
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    What concerns me is the lack of direction, like banking, how do we prevent it. It seems that neither Party wants to do anything about that.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    For all the clamoring for more government regulation, it was a failure of government regulation that led the spill.
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    There’s only one person I know who can type this sentence without their head exploding.
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    Note to freep:
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    In this instance “failure” of government regulation is synonymous with “not enough” government regulation.

  • http://jrodm.wordpress.com jrodm

    Doesn’t the president realize now….
    Today is the day to take this over and bring the full force of the American Government and necessary divisions to stop this leak. What a great time to show his leadership skills… We know his marketing skills are excellant… now is the time to demostrate his leadership skills..

  • bpbeyondphkd

    You say, “instead of what BP was telling him”. Bp’s initial estimate was 1,000 barrels per day. The 5,000 barrels per day estimate was NOAA’s estimate – our government. Outside experts have said the 5,000 bpd estimate is at least 10 to 20 times too low. The administration knew there was more oil pouring out than their estimate. You could therefore extrapolate that they should have anticipated greater damage and the response should have been quicker and larger in scope.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Do whatever it takes to fix it, spare no manpower, resource, or expense.

    So the fact that I’m at my desk 1800 miles away, instead of in a dinghy sucking oil out of the water with a drinking straw suggests that we aren’t doing everything we can!!!!!!

  • http://quantumcosmos.wordpress.com morgansjc

    I think it says something about the news media, and us, that all that is talked about is the spill. I’m not surprised that it’s not capped, read the diver reports on what they’re dealing with. I’m not surprised that the White House response is lagging and inept. I’m not surprised that BP is trying to find cover, they’ve been hit with a $100 million dollar fine. What I’m surprised at is that there is no one talking about the 11 human beings that died, the cause of the explosion, or that 22,000 people are involved in containment and cleanup. Anyone remember the Exxon Valdez?
    Without minimizing the impact of what’s happened, or that it’s a tragedy, it’ll pass. The ocean will break the oil down, though it will take time. Unlike plastics, nuclear material, and the rest of the truly horrific things we dump in our seas and oceans. What’s happening right now is a drop in the bucket compared to WWII. The amount of oil and other fuels leaked from that war is truly staggering.
    What makes things like the Gulf spill and the Exxon Valdez terrible is the concentration. Naturally produced hydrocarbons by plankton far exceeds what humans spill. In the same vein, a single volcanic eruption can produce more ‘greenhouse gasses’ than what humans have, are, or ever will produce. The effects of volcanoes on climate was noticed as far back as Benjamin Franklin. Compare the total weight of what humans produce to the total weight of the atmosphere.
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-do-volcanoes-affect-w

    My point? This is locally and immediately horrible. It will pass. I’m far more concerned by by the nuclear and fissile materials that have been dumped or lost in our oceans. The fact is we don’t know where and how much has been lost. Just that it’s a huge amount. As the song says “Deadly for 10,000 years is carbon-14″.

    http://science.jrank.org/pages/4848/Oil-Spills-Oil-pollution.html -
    The total spillage of petroleum into the oceans through human activities is estimated to range from about 0.7-1.7 million tons (0.6-1.5 million tons) per year, equivalent to less than 0.1% of the quantity of petroleum transported by tankers. In comparison, the production of hydrocarbons
    by marine plankton is about 28.7 million tons (26 million tons)/year. These “natural” hydrocarbons contribute to background concentrations in the oceans, but they are well dispersed and not associated with ecological damage or pollution. In addition, natural oil seeps contribute about 6-13% of the total petroleum input to the oceans, sometimes causing local damage.

    Read more: Oil Spills – Oil Pollution http://science.jrank.org/pages/4848/Oil-Spills-Oil-pollution.html#ixzz0owmmcVEo

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    SEND THE MARINES!!!!!!!

  • allthingsinaname

    Yada, Yada,Yada, after months of the evils of Government, how it is incapable of doing anything correctly, now it is going to save us from BP? No you guys are just trying to shift the blame, from what Americans apparently want, Drill Baby, Drill, to blaming the government for the results.
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    Had the government imposed the strict regulations necessary to preventing this leak, we would have heard how it was weakening the economy, our National Security, hurting jobs, etc.
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    Just can’t have bothways.

  • http://afrank8.wordpress.com afrank8

    What, exactly, do you want the President to do? Clean the coast with a mop and bucket? Who better to stop the leak than an oil company?

    What he CAN do is to legislate safer drilling practices so that this never happens again.

    Or, as may have already commented, he could pull a Bush and do nothing. Just like Bush did for the victims of Catrina.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I see this as the inverse of Katrina.

    The in Katrina, the levies were neglected by administration after administration.

    That neglect was only one fifth Bush’s fault as Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan and, possibly, Carter neglected those levies.

    Bush needed to get the National Guard to New Orleans within hours of the disaster.

    He failed to respond.

    MMS was already a scandal ridden agency for Obama to look at and work on repairing, but didn’t.

    After that, there was nothing in place for him to do.

    Most importantly, we have dead seagulls, dead fish and only a few dead oil rig workers.

    In Katrina, people were dying in their own attics waiting for help when none arrived for days.

    In Katrina, the prevention was not obvious, but the solution was in-your-face obvious.

    In the oil spill MMS was on the radar, but, what to do after the spill is totally unknown.

    I would say that this is 100% due to events prior to the accident and, therefore, far more the fault of the MMS being allowed to become a place of sex, drugs and bribery under the previous administration.

    No, Obama isn’t perfect.

    Yes, he could have done far, far more, but only before the accident. After the accident, a lack of equipment had his hands tied.

    Everybody knows what a rescue boat is. With a tiny bit of training a vast majority of us could operate one to save dying people from Katrina.

    Capping a deep water oil well?

    Now I haven’t the slightest idea how to do that and, unfortunately, neither does the government.

  • http://afrank8.wordpress.com afrank8

    After reading about this disaster I have read that other countries mandate safer practices for deep water drilling than the US but I see that you are in favor of keeping the status quo. No more regulation? Really?

    However, I like your idea about drilling in deep water being necessitated by tree huggers blocking drilling in Alaska and the shallow CA coastal areas.

    I think we are all frustrated by this mess and want somebody to stop the leak, clean up the mess and start the long healing process. One opinion or another, that’s what we all want.

  • kevin

    To underscore my earlier point, here is what Republican-style government regulation looked like when Republicans ran the MMS:
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    Federal regulators responsible for oversight of drilling in the Gulf of Mexico allowed industry officials several years ago to fill in their own inspection reports in pencil — and then turned them over to the regulators, who traced over them in pen before submitting the reports to the agency, according to an inspector general’s report to be released this week. [...]
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    The report includes other examples of troubling behavior discovered by investigators. In mid-2008, a minerals agency employee conducted four inspections on drilling platforms when he was also negotiating a job with the drilling company, a cover letter to the report said.
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    And an inspector from the Lake Charles office admitted to investigators that he had used crystal methamphetamine, an illegal drug. Investigators said they believe the inspector may have been under the influence of the drug during an inspection.

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    Read the whole thing:
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/us/25mms.html

  • centfan

    If you’re an engineer you do the simplest, most effective things first. In the meantime you plan for the more permanent, long-term solutions. If the simple stuff fails then the timeline gets drawn out. If you’re like BP, and all you have in your pocket is solutions that work fine in 300 feet of water then you don’t have a clue… and these are the EXPERTS people. They work around this stuff EVERY DAY and make a PROFIT as long as nothing blows up.
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    I say we ask BP and the oil industry to step aside and we do everything at once. We’ll get federal employees with no experience to direct the effort. We’ll drop people with shovels 5000 feet below the surface, we’ll dump all the used Nike shoes available on top of the leak, then we’ll nuke the whole site as long as the bomb casing doesn’t implode from the water pressure. THAT’S what Obama should do.

  • kevin

    MMS was already a scandal ridden agency for Obama to look at and work on repairing, but didn’t.
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    Well, they did put in place new ethics rules in early 2009 and fired the head of MMS recently. But there’s much more rot in that agency left over from the Bush years.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    In Katrina, the project of saving lives was so easy to understand and easy to do that Liberal actor Sean Penn was able to save people himself.
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    When I see Fred Thompson or a right wing actor in a wet suit jumping in and plugging the whole himself, I will say that this is Obama’s Katrina.
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    Then again, Fred Thompson is a wetsuit may result in his being harpooned by Wale hunters…. but I digress.
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    In the meantime, MMS had 111 months of neglect by April 20th: 15 months of neglect by Obama and 96 months of neglect by the Bush Administration.
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    Hence, this, totally unlike Bush refusing to stop cutting brush at his ranch to get people to save people’s lives, the vast majority of the cause of this was the anti-government administration prior to Obama and has no even vaguely easy resolution.
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    I would love it if a wingnut proves me wrong by diving in themselves and plugging this up themselves making the government look bad.
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    I invite all of the wingnuts in Swampland to find a way to plug this leak up themselves and, you’ll not only get me to vote Republican, you’ll even get me to vote for you for president.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Well, they did put in place new ethics rules in early 2009 and fired the head of MMS recently.”
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    True, Kevin.
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    With the repair being out of reach of government, this is nearly 100% the result of poor management at MMS and that is at least 90% the fault of our anti-government Bush Administration.
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    I was going too soft on Bush in my remarks above.

  • flameworker

    What would Sarah “Less Government” Palin have done?

  • dthoran

    So the fact that I’m at my desk 1800 miles away, instead of in a dinghy sucking oil out of the water with a drinking straw suggests that we aren’t doing everything we can!!!!!!

    No Paul.

    Any rational person would realize I was referring to all manpower, resources and infrastructure that our government could mobilize that would have any effect in helping to stop this serious environmental catastrophe. Just like resources were brought to bear on Katrina, Haiti, ect.

    However, your sorry excuse for sarcasm aside, if you feel like taking a drinking straw and getting down to business, by all means….at least we wouldn’t have to suffer your less than helpful comments…

  • http://scrimbul.wordpress.com scrimbul

    Evidently, freeinpa, 3xfire3, square1 and newfreedomblog would be better served to shut their faces and let the adults speak.

    They’re doing a better job of making @$$es of themselves than a normal political conversation, with their conflicting calls for more government action and less government regulation without acquiescing to the fact that no one has any choice but to defer to the experts here, who are currently B.P. regardless of how hard they boned this with the explosion.

    To imply the government did something wrong or didn’t do enough is infantile posturing that even a high school student could see through if they cared to look.

  • dthoran

    It’s not about who did this or didn’t do that now. That can be argued to death ad nausuem once the LEAK IS STOPPED.

    For now, The Fed, State, Local, BP and anyone else who can help figure this thing out need to stop BICKERING about who’s fault it was and get to FIXING it.

    Blame it on Bush, Obama, hell blame it on ME for now if it helps stop the posturing and political maneuvering and get the JOB DONE.

  • Ivy_B

    Blame it on Bush, Obama, hell blame it on ME for now if it helps stop the posturing and political maneuvering and get the JOB DONE.

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    Since all the experts I have heard say they have no idea how to stop it that they are sure will work, what is it you think should be done that isn’t being done? As someone said above, solutions that work in 300 feet of water don’t work in 5,000. Nobody knows for sure anything to do that isn’t being done or planned (drilling the relief well that won’t be done until August.)
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    Do you really think people who have some expertise are sitting around down there bickering and not doing everything they can to get the d@mn thing stopped?

  • tacitusdominatus

    INSTEAD of finger-pointing and political damage-control, why doesn’t someone pull their head out of their collective asses and fix the problem?

    Not an expert on the matter but if I were in charge this is what I’d do:

    Order the military to plant high-explosives in a radius pattern around the damaged well, such that a simultaneous detonation would implode and seal off the bored wells.

    After all, the well was dug by boring holes through thousands of feet of earth below the ocean. The above would do nothing more than utilize the earth and the thousands of pounds of pressure at 5000 ft. to re-seal the holes that man created. End of Story! Well, at least until some other nimrod thinks that drilling at a depth that they can’t fix is such a good idea!

    Brian Kilcullen
    Enemies in War,

  • GivenUp

    I wasn’t necessarily saying that this could not have been handled better and there undoubtedly should have been a major bout of housecleaning when Obama took office, especially at the environmental agencies.
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    I Suspect the agencies were left alone in part because no one wanted to hand the right wingers another line of attack, (not that they need facts for those) obviously not a good idea but I could follow the reasoning if that was it.
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    The thing I suspect is that there is no amount of creative thinking that will find a way around this, I sure as h*ll hope someone is trying though.

  • GivenUp

    Because of course everyone will vote for the party of “drill baby drill” after a massive disaster of this sort. /snark

  • afguy

    Order the military to plant high-explosives in a radius pattern around the damaged well, such that a simultaneous detonation would implode and seal off the bored wells.
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    What you just roughly described is the precision timing needed for the detonation of a nuclear warhead – all of the explosives have to go off simultaneously or you get a really big mess… but no nuclear reaction.
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    If ALL of the explosive charges don’t go off as they are supposed to, you don’t get a sealing of the well, but a much bigger hole than before.
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    Imagine trying to arrange/connect all of those explosives at PRECISELY the right distance by remote control at a depth of 5000 ft.

  • sarasotafla

    The government has taken over 30 days to come up with the idea to request scientists and experts to determine the actual size of this leak- 30 days of parroting BP’s insistance the leak was only 5000 barrels a day. Curiously the administration remains silent as to the actual amount- no doubt it’s exponentially more than what has been the pat answer to date.

    The government has allowed BP to use chemical dispersants in unprecedented amounts while readily admitting that they are toxic and they do not know what the long term environmental implications are. When required to use something “less toxic”, BP’s reponse was no. So now the EPA has asked”pretty please- could you use maybe less of it?” Leadership anyone?

    The government (NOAA) has disputed the findings of scientists that found vast underwater plumes of sub surface oil- and still have not attempted to confirm or disprove those findings.

    Is there any wonder that people like myself feel the government are now percieved to be complicit with BP in this debacle?

    Only when pushed and prodded- and in some cases, shamed- has the current administration made any efforts at accomodating the public (read lip service) as to what exactly is going on?!!

    With supposedly over a 1000 boats and countless personnel (according to the administration), oil is now in the sensitve wetlands and rookeries of Louisiana- areas that should have been cordoned off and protected. Now we can only bear witness to the catastrophy as most people know they can do nothing but watch the wetlands and animals die!

  • bpbeyondphkd

    “Curiously the administration remains silent as to the actual amount”

    Not that curious at all…just trying to limit BP’s and US government’s liability over this disaster. The more the official estimate of oil – the more they are on the hook for. Let’s remember that our government allowed BP to drill in this area without proper permits or proper oversight.

    Hope all of you down there come out of this OK.

  • tacitusdominatus

    A. I didn’t say nor intend nuclear.
    B. Simultaneous detonations are routine for explosive experts.
    C. According to everything I’ve read, there is thousands of feet of earth between the ocean floor and the reservoir.
    D. Lastly, driling at 5000 feet doesn’t seem to be a problem.

    Therefore: Planting high-explosives at some hundreds of feet below the ocean’s floor such that the force will have a high likelihood of collapsing the wells is well worth the try. We’re not talking about blowing up the ocean floor here, just using the all ready existing high-pressure at 5000 feet to collapse a pipe!

    Brian Kilcullen
    Enemies in War,

    PS IF anybody else has any better ideas, you had better start putting them out there because the EXPERTS aren’t doing so well! Pardon the pun.

  • caldwellelle01

    Unfortunately for the Gulf Coast states, it’s not “drill baby drill” but “spill baby spill.” Unless we get serious about reducing our dependency on fossil fuels, we’re doomed to repeat this tragedy.

  • mommychristmas

    Kevin Costner’s brother is a scientist. They have a good idea and a decent way to start the cleanup (Not a joke) They even have working machines for proof! WHY are we not doing this with haste? Please watch this. Its less than 2 minutes. Spread the word!!!

  • centfan

    I’ve heard the explosion idea many times since this crisis started. It’s probably been used a few times for leaks… and certainly to put out well fires.
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    The problem is the depth. I’m sure it’s easy to drill at 5000 feet exactly where you want as long as you’ve stablized a brand new platform over the target and assembled the pipe and drilling equipment.
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    After that all you have to do is punch into the sea floor, drill down about 200 or 300 feet, drop an explosive down the pipe that’s large enough to do the job in a casing that won’t leak seawater under extreme pressure and short out the detonator or contaminate the charge (if that’s possible), and figure out how to connect it to a central firing circuit that won’t send a premature signal… and then repeat that about 5 times… symetrically… close enough to collapse the leak hole but far enough so that the oil pressure doesn’t crack its way into the holes you just drilled.
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    It’s not a wild idea. It’s being discussed right now. There’s just these complications…

  • earljr1

    What a crock! patrick, as usual, thinks he has ALL the answers. First, start by blaming it all on Bush, then produce a multitude of excuses why Obama, stands helpless in this crisis and then sum it all up by blaming Bush, yet again. You and your ilk, remind me of a flock of Magpies, squawking to beat the band, but saying nothing. Your duly elected officials, democrats all, are big on hearings and finger pointing, but powerless when it comes to meaningful solutions. (big surprise!) One final note: You castigate Bush for not Federalizing the Guard, but you forget that the Democratic Governor, said it was “under control and NOT necessary” a salient point, you conveniently left out.

  • http://smselg1.wordpress.com smselg1

    All political positioning aside. Should we really take this time to bash one political party over another? Jockeying for position in the next election will not do us any good today. This truly is an environmental disaster and there appears to be no sense of urgency to stop oil from spewing into the Gulf. Notice that the first two attempts to stop the leak weren’t designed to stop the leak…but to collect the leaking oil in an oil tanker waiting on the surface (guess BP needs all the oil they can get to help pay for the clean-up). Perhaps a boycott of BP’s U.S. based companies (i.e., Amoco, AM/PM stores, ARCO, BP, and Castrol Oil) would signal to BP executives that the American people (including those that make their living fishing off the Louisiana coast) are ready for action. Perhaps a global boycott of BP would signal even more. BP – STOP THE LEAK!

  • red554

    Correct me if I’m wrong but it seems like no one really knows how to deal with this well. We have lots of precedent for how to deal with it badly, and lots of people quick to assign blame in hopes of political profit. I’ve been watching the video developments via Frequency and it paints and heartbreaking but totally compelling picture:

    http://www.frequency.com/topic/bp-oil-spill/33855

  • bwshook

    I don’t believe the federal government by itself can fix the leak; and I don’t believe BP can by itself repair it. The federal government and BP will have to solve the problem together, using all their resources. If they continue to work by themselves, it will take many, many months before a true solution is found. And together, they had better come up with a way to clean up the mess.

  • sarasotafla

    bpbeyondphkd -

    Thanks for the response, all of us down here are very worried- especially if this leak is allowed to continue for another 2 months. So far Florida has been spared, however, if this leak is allowed to continue unabated unitil a relief well is completed, I fear there will be little to help any of the gulfcoast states that are in the path of this monster.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “One final note: You castigate Bush for not Federalizing the Guard, but you forget that the Democratic Governor, said it was “under control and NOT necessary” a salient point, you conveniently left out….”
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    Does that mean you are giving up on trolling?
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    If you knew how to read, Earl, you would notice that I held your man, dubbya only one fifth responsible for the levies breaking and gave equal blame to Clinton, Bush Sr and Carter.
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    What you seem to forget is that the president has an obligation to follow through on disasters.
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    Obama has followed through despite no probability of any additional deaths after the initial explosion.
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    Dubbya cut brush.
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    Unfortunately nobody has any ideas how to cap a well that deep, but, if you want to convert me, you can do the job the government is supposed to be doing the way Sean Penn – outside of fame a very ordinary man (no superhuman powers, no military training, etc, etc) – started solving it yourself.
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    Go do a Sean Penn, Earl, and plug that well up yourself.
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    Either that or plug your pie hole and stop trolling.

  • sarasotafla

    “In a fact sheet released Monday night, the Administration announced that 10.8 million gallons of an oil-water mix had been removed from the sea. Left unmeasured were the vast, ever-growing quantities that remain.”

    Funny how the administration seems eager to announce how much they have collected, and still remain silent about how much is leaking!!

    This administration has at its disposal experts in the field, and academics that have studied the phenomenon for years that have offered their services- and yet this administration remains silent. This is pathetic!

  • earljr1

    “90% the fault of the Bush administration” I was too soft on Bush in my previous comments” What a joke you are, patrick. When do you losers start taking responsibility for your own actions? I have asked this question before and the answer remains the same….NEVER. You do not even UNDERSTAND the word, much less implementing it! Talk, talk, talk and then talk some more. Your mouth, as well as your brain, is a reservoir of meaningless trivia. Do you understand productivity? Society would be better off if you actually started DOING things, instead of just talking about them. Try it on for size, it just MIGHT make you a happier person. I’m going back to work now…I suggest that you do the same.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Do you understand productivity? Society would be better off if you actually started DOING things, instead of just talking about them. Try it on for size, it just MIGHT make you a happier person. I’m going back to work now…I suggest that you do the same.”
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    WTF does what I or other people who take time to write here have to do with the well pouring tens of thousands of barrels of oil into the Gulf of Mexico?
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    Nothing.
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    You just don’t want to do a simple math problem.
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    MMS was functional in January of 2001.
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    Before Obama took office MMS was a wreck.
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    April 20th 2010, nine years and three months after Clinton was in office MMS had been asleep at the wheel for this disaster.
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    9 years with 12 months in a year is 108 eight months plus three more months from January until April is 111 months.
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    96 of those months were under Bush’s control when they decayed.
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    90% of 111 is 99.9.
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    If you just want to go on months of neglect, then it would be 96/111 would be 86.486%
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    So, if you ignore how reforms began (as Kevin reminded me to put in) it would be 86.486% Bush’s fault and 13.514% Obama’s fault.
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    “..it just MIGHT make you a happier person.”
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    Your projecting again.
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    I find the market very discouraging at the moment, but, I would not go as far to say that I would call myself an unhappy person.
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    You seem very upset yourself, Earl.
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    Maybe you should pray to calm down.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Nobody, in any job, likes to broadcast failure or mediocrity to their boss.
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    We’re Obama’s boss, so, just like any other employee, his people put a smiley face on this.
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    Grimace too much and you’ll go down like Jimmy Carter.

  • bpbeyondphkd

    Mediocrity? What part of the country do you live in? It doesn’t matter. This will effect you. This will effect all of us. Even with the best efforts put forward and all resources…this will effect us big time. Grimace…I’m in I can’t believe this is happening mode…We may have broke the camels back on this one. At the very least we have messed up many more people in this country than any terrorist has ever done. Not to mention possibly the Artic and Europe.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “What part of the country do you live in?”
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    NYC.
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    So many alarming things have happened the past fifteen years that I guess that I am perpetually unconcerned if it is not in-my-face.
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    I will agree with you that, in terms of economic damage, this is going to dwarf either Katrina or 9/11.
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    Human deaths: 11.
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    Obviously one or more human deaths is extremely awful, but, I am pleased that the number is so low.
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    Maybe I am just under-concerned about this or, maybe, outside of gasoline and seafood prices, the harm will be minimal so long as all of the local businesses get reimbursed for losses over the next ten years or so while things get cleaned up.

  • bpbeyondphkd

    NYC..I’m originally from CT.

    I’ve lived on the NC coast for the last 12 years.

    Thanks, for the agreement on economic damage. However, you are missing the bigger picture in ecological damage. This poison is being carried through the Gulf Stream…the starting line for our world’s ocean current. This oil could spew for months. The food chain…which includes us (might take years, but still) will be affected. Posssibly the ocean currents. Certainly evaporation rates near the heaviest concentrations. You soon will have more to worry about than gasoline and seafood prices.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I’m originally from CT”
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    I grew up in Darien, Connecticut, but have not lived there in 20 years, what town did you grow up in?
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    On topic: On an intellectual level, I believe I am as aware as you are, but, on an emotional level, all I ever see in responses to oil spills are videos of college students washing seagulls.
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    I know that is not accurate and that blue green algae among other microscopic life as well as fish and other sea life dying underwater are the real problem, but, something in me won’t let me get too upset about this.
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    Maybe it was the idiot in Time Square, about a mile from where the headquarters of my company is (I work from home in Queens) who did nothing but set off fireworks and didn’t harm anybody.

  • earljr1

    Instead of standing around with your hand out all the time, why don’t you and your liberal friends get your lazy butts down there with a shovel and clean up materiels….. do something productive, for ONCE in your misguided and poorly managed lives. Nah, it’s too easy to blame Bush and wait, impatiently, for your next entitlement program. You are boring, ignorant and a waste of my time.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Government is the problem only when things are going as they should for business. It’s always the same. Republicans have been screaming for months for Obama to “fix” the job market and get people back to work. Republicans don’t like welfare programs that take care of the needs of the poor but corporate welfare is fine.
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    The republican refrain since Reagan (at least) has been to privatize the profit and socialize the risk.
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    It’s not the government’s job to “get people back to work”. Unfortunately, that’s not job of business either. The job of business is to employ as few people as possible in order to get the job done and increase profits. Why do so few seem to understand this? As long as we have mega-corporations that produce such a huge percentage of our goods and huge banks that control more than 60% of our GDP, we will never get out of this hole we have marketed ourselves into.

  • bpbeyondphkd

    Fairfeld,

    right between Westport and Bridgeport,

    And now back to topic:

    On topic: On an intellectual level, I believe I am as aware as you are, but, on an emotional level, all I ever see in responses to oil spills are videos of college students washing seagulls.

    Just check wikipeki or google on what exactly is in crude oil. The fact that 90 percent of this stuff is not reaching surface and outgasing and that it is fractioning into the water column is a scentific experiment in the making. This is not oil you put in your car.

    “Maybe it was the idiot in Time Square, about a mile from where the headquarters of my company is (I work from home in Queens) who did nothing but set off fireworks and didn’t harm anybody.

    That’s cause…our news is tainted…guy tries to set off car with a couple of methane tanks, M-80′s, and some gas…and left the keys to the getaway car in the blow up car…and we’ve got Diana Saywer from Times Square…..hmmmmm

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    The answer is “YES”. BP has at least one other rig in the Gulf. It is drilling at nearly twice the depth the Horizon had been drilling. Why? Why did not the drill as secondary, relief well concurrently with the one now leaking? Why did they not use the remote blowout preventer that would have cost them merely half a million dollars?
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    The short answer to those questions is Profit. BP did not willingly use proven technology to prevent this disaster because it wasn’t required as the blowout thingy is required in many countries and Canada requires a relief well in the Arctic. The fault for that could be laid on the doorstep of whichever administration and Congressional body that decided these steps did need to be regulated. However, if one were to follow the conservative line of thnking, regulations are bad, business will always do what is right.
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    This is what we get when we allow business to make up the rules.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Instead of standing around with your hand out all the time, why don’t you and your liberal friends get your lazy butts down there with a shovel and clean up materiels….. do something productive, for ONCE in your misguided and poorly managed lives…”
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    Earl,
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    I don’t ask for handouts.
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    Nobody here asks for handouts except you when you get big government bucks for working on uninsured people.
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    So, while I run my own business, and you tell us that plugging up the hole is as easy as driving a boat through New Orleans like Sean Penn did, why don’t you take one of your yachts out there and see what you can do with this well.
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    Either that or plug your pie hole shut.
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    Now, you obviously need to go pray since the god I was raised with would be infuriated to see you type lies like that about people you never met.
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    Pray and relax.
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    It’s what you tell us is good and you say is not annoying, then you should not be annoyed at me.
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    Note, that I am not mocking your religion. I am just asking you to relax.
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    You, as usual, lost one other argument against a chat room filled with knowledgeable people.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    bp,
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    I did see the video here and it looks really F’ed up.
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    I think that I, like many people, are desensitized due to fake crises and, a healthy intake of war and gangster movies.
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    I think the microorganisms are going to be the worst hit and, take down a huge share of the food chain for a period of time.
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    I haven’t even the slightest guess how long it will disrupt the food chain, but, as far as I can tell, the experts don’t either, yet.
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    BTW: I know Fairfield, Bridgeport and Westport. I have relatives who stayed in that area and are still there now.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    @earl, I would go to the Gulf and do whatever I could to help, but I work for a living. I work for a nonprofit so I don’t make all that much and don’t have much vacation time. I own my home (no mortgage), pay all my bills on time, even my property taxes.
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    Can you say the same earl????:?

  • http://renegade98.wordpress.com/ renegade98

    Yeah, and so how would anything be any different today? If it wasn’t for this disaster, what would all the reporters, pundits, politicians and others have to write and complain about?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Earl,
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    Your previous comments got you in way over your head.
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    That is, you just painted a huge number of people you don’t know with a big, insulting brush.
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    I think an apology is in order.
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    I am just saying that, anybody who sees these quotes – like a few other ones calling people a waste of humanity – will think of you as a jackbooted fascist who just pretends to be a doctor and a good Christian.
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    As I told you, I was not raised atheist. I am very familiar with the Christian ideal and you are sounding more and more like the Reich’s Church than any known existing form of Christianity right now.
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    You will loose any respect you have left if you do not learn the humility to apologize.
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    Then again, if you don’t mind being thought of as Swampland’s worst Nazi and want to come back, expect no trace of respect.
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    Freeinpa, you will notice, gets no respect because he gives none.

  • amysueshatz

    re: Fed Gov’t Responsibility for oil clean up

    I think we should all read the 1994 Clean Water Act
    to define the President and Federal Govt’s role. It is stated in there.

  • amysueshatz

    I agree.

  • amysueshatz

    re: Fed Gov’t / President’s responsibility part 2

    Lets all read:
    Clean Water Enforcement Act of 1990

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Amy,
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    Do you expect us to read the whole thing and trust you that the answer you say is there is in there or, could you link and copy and paste a legal opinion on that matter so that we can have an actual, reliable source for people who, like you most likely, do not have a law degree?

  • tharwatfawzi

    All in the world pray for the victims of the rig explosion and offer sincere condolences to their relatives and to all American people. The timing of this ecological catastrophic disaster is suspicious , coming just three weeks after President Obama announced an expansion of offshore development , and necessitates a thorough investigation from President Obama.

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