Morning Must Reads: Rolling

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–Rand Paul was on ABC’s “Good Morning America” this morning to run a bit of damage control. It was kind of brutal. He standoffishly dodged the civil rights questions before shifting to a defense of BP and a critique of the minimum wage. Again, the merits of his small government philosophy aside, Dr. Paul appears to have a tin ear for politics outside his comfort zone.

–Interesting nugget: Yesterday’s passage of financial reform hinged on the vote of Scott Brown, and his support was secured at the 11th hour by the efforts of his Massachusetts colleague and House point-man Barney Frank.

–Senator Ted Kaufman says what a lot of people of thinking: The final bill can’t differ too much from current Senate language. The path to 60 is just too narrow, but if anyone doubts Speaker Pelosi’s whipping ability, they’re delusional.

–Edmund Andrews marvels at the fact that as lawmakers rolled the financial reform boulder up the steep hill of the Senate, it only gained mass and momentum.

David Rogers cues up one of the looming challenges on the congressional agenda, a $190 billion tax and jobs bill:

An unwieldy amalgam of state aid, infrastructure investments, tax cuts and extended jobless benefits, the massive bill is a sleeping giant in this political year and uniquely captures the hard choices facing a government beset by record deficits and an uncertain economy.

–The L.A. Times reports California Senate candidate Chuck DeVore has engaged in some some Blumenthal-esque ambiguities when speaking about his military service.

–On a visit to Japan, Secretary of State Clinton took a fairly hard line against North Korea over the recent sinking of South Korean naval vessel.

Marc Ambinder expands on the downfall of Dennis Blair.

–And Mayor Daley gets overly colorful in explaining Chicago’s gun ban.

Programming note: After today, I’ll be away until June 7.

What did I miss?

Related Topics: Barack Obama, Congress, Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, Miscellany, Republican Party, Senate, White House
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  • nflfoghorn

    June 8???

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    RE Pic: “This chair’d be just great to give my boyfriend a massage.”

  • diecash1

    Paul continued: The President’s reaction is “part of this sort of blame game society” where “it’s always someone’s fault.” Paul added: “Maybe sometimes accidents happen.”

    Sometimes accidents just happen? Way to look at the evidence! Paul may be one of the dumbest GOPer candidates for Federal office in some time and that’s saying something.
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    I’m sure when he gets pounded for this latest bit of idiocy he’ll call it a smear too.

  • grape_crush

    I’m sure when he gets pounded for this latest bit of idiocy he’ll call it a smear too.
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    Palin without the dress…For God’s sake, don’t let him near Katie Couric…

  • deconstructiva

    Is Barney giving the shocker hand gesture? Can’t see the pinky extended but still….

  • jsfox

    Rand, now seems to have reached that unfortunate place where a politician opens their mouth and all that happens is a foot gets changed.

    One Obama never said the boot statement it was Salazar

    NPR

    Interior Secretary Ken Salazar who said administration officials would keep their “boot on the throat” of the energy giant to make sure the company does all it can and more to address the problems caused by its uncontrolled ocean gusher.

    Next sometime accidents “just” happen. Yes they do and those responsible for those “just an accident” are responsible for cleaning up the mess. And more to the point had BP paid more attention to doing things safely as opposed to quickly this “just an accident” might not have happened.

    This guy is a tool and does not belong anywhere near the Senate.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Rand Paul looked arrogant and defiant tossing around the concept that there were white house or Rachael Maddow written “liberal talking points” being thrown at him even though the interview barely touched that specific interview.
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    Paul backpedaled on everything he said before giving him zero credibility.
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    I’d love to see how his upcoming defeat will impact Republican choices on who to nominate.

  • freeinpa

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/66423

    If we keep pointing fingers at Wall Street maybe no one will notice that we bankrupted the country. Maybe someone should ask Obama who pays when government screws up?

    ==
    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/534696/201005201839/The-Green-Jobs-Myth.aspx

    No surprise just another Obama lie

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    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/534728/201005201852/Water-Sanity-For-Central-California.aspx

    A moment of sanity from the left nonsense

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    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/european-social-welfare-state-model-running-out-of-time-and-money/

    Apparently Obama and the left didn’t get the memo

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    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2010/05/20/jack-cafferty-slams-obama-mex-pres-calderon-az-law-whining

    A liberal questioning why other liberals hate America? How odd

  • destor23

    That a Republican provided the crucial vote on Financial regs is not surprising. I keep seeing the media portraying this as a Democratic victory over Republicans but it really isn’t. It’s a victory over the progressive wing of the Democratic party. So that a Republican provided a key vote should not be surprising to anyone.

  • deconstructiva

    Adam, who’s on you’re the Call™ today? Please make Amy and Joe show since it’s their turn. Tell them to suck it up and take one for the team since all other swampers have shown up. Is The Call™ on hiatus while you’re out? When back, how about adding other TIME teammates regularly such as Katy Steinmetz, Catherine Mayer, and Alice Park?

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Rand is the political equivalent of a great battle plan. It looks good on paper, then the bullets start flying and the whole thing goes to $hit. He’s a walking crap-sandwich.

  • Adam Sorensen

    I’m afraid there’s no podcast today. It’s on hiatus til I’m back.

  • allthingsinaname

    Paul still defending his “Peculiarism”, Calling a President Un-American for criticizing a foreign Company for a major oil spill off an American coast, and opposing a minimum wage.
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    The gift that keeps on giving

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks for letting us know. A different issue: the moderation / servers won’t let me post links to late yesterday stories about Sen. Ben Nelson’s lack of knowledge of using an ATM. It’s a good story. Why is this happening? (no “comment is in moderation” warning, the post simply doesn’t show up no matter how often tried – is this common?) Can you get the High Sheriffs to fix the problem of replies getting eaten re: certain links?

  • freeinpa

    YesObama is quite the man pointing fingers at any business he doesn’t like (which is most) while terrorists and countries like Iran, N. Korea et al are treated like precious cargo while he continually apologizes for America.

    Yes Obama is a hero to liberals who hate America

  • nflfoghorn

    Hey guys – the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. There are several racist comments attributed to Ron as well.

  • Joe Bftsplk

    As the engineer again…

    Some accidents can’t happen.
    You don’t get to drive off a cliff.
    Neither of the 2 dudes with pistols gets to accidentally bump into the launch button.
    Nuclear reactors can’t be allowed to melt down.
    Deep-sea oil wells can’t be allowed to “blow out”.
    Companies (and regulatory agencies) can’t not know how they’re going to respond when accidents that can happen (even though they should have been put in the “can’t be allowed to happen” category) do happen.

    Redundancy, monitoring, testing, analysis, maintenance, response plans, rehearsals.
    The only excuses are incompetence and unfettered greed.

    And rounding out the point, people who don’t understand this shouldn’t be in charge.

  • nflfoghorn

    Let’s not even discuss the wide stance and stall knock….

  • freeinpa

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703880304575236602943319816.html?KEYWORDS=employer+sponsored+insurance

    Companies giving up insurance to pay the fines. It’s cheaper.

    Anybody with a 3rd grade grasp of economics would have predicted this would happen. So either all of the lauded liberal academics aren’t as smart as they keep telling us or Another Obama lie (if you like your insurance you can keep it).

    Correct answer is both.

  • freeinpa

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/20/tea-party-protests-nier-f_n_507116.html

    Still waiting for Clyburn, Cleaver and Lewis to account for their race baiting. Or for the media to ask. Regardless of what Paul may or may not have said he has gone to the media unlike the typical gutless race baiting left who hit run and hide while fools here ignore it. But will immediately jump on a conservative for any implied slight.

    Then again responsibility and truth are punch lines to liberals

  • kbanginmotown

    decon: Is there a gay shocker? Maybe it’s just the two fingers? What’s he doing with his other hand?

  • kbanginmotown

    as lawmakers rolled the financial reform boulder up the steep hill of the Senate, it only gained mass and momentum.

    Adam: p = m * v. An increase in mass is, by definition, an increase in momentum. I believe you meant to say “mass and velocity”.
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    - your Phriendly Physics Nazi

  • nflfoghorn

    I’m just guessing that the impact of your short-sighted views on anything remotely favorable of our prez being laughable at best and nonsensical at worst is entirely lost on you.

  • nflfoghorn

    And why aren’t Miss Prissy and the other MS helping a brother?

  • hellslittlestangel

    Paul and Lowden, the Pee Potty’s latest heroes du jour, put me in mind of Obama’s trenchant observation of August ’08: “It’s like these guys take pride in being ignorant.”

  • kevin

    Calling a President Un-American for criticizing a foreign Company for a major oil spill off an American coast
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    Seriously, he’s criticizing British Petroleum for committing a colossal environmental crime on American territory, and that’s … un-American?
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    Yes Obama is a hero to liberals who hate America
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    Go Cheney yourself.

  • kevin

    Of course they do. Just look at Rusty, Freeinpa, and 3xfire here. They wallow around in their ignorance happier than pigs in sh!t.

  • nflfoghorn

    “He’s a walking crap-sandwich”
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    Image of the Week.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Still waiting for Clyburn, Cleaver and Lewis to account for their race baiting.”
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    Yeah! I can’t believe how they forced people to spit on them and hurl racial epithets at them. What were they thinking?
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    Freepy, do you realize how racist your comment sounds? I don’t know what’s in your heart, but statements like that don’t paint you in a good light.
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    As far as Rand being portrayed as a racist: Do you agree that CRA was an unfair imposition of federal regulation and that businesses should be allowed to discriminate against minorities, if they so choose?
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    Do you think Rand Paul is right? Or do you just want to whine about the media? Again.

  • deconstructiva

    kbang, I don’t know but am trying to find out (not easy, google isn’t always our friend). However, apparently the normally “A-OK” gesture in certain countries has highly gay connotations (circle representing “a hole”).
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    http://www.languagetrainers.co.uk/blog/2007/09/24/top-10-hand-gestures/

  • freeinpa

    How is people losing insurance and promised they would not lose short-sighted and favorable to the Prez.

    Please enlighten me with that genius logic

  • m0mentom0ri

    I get that snickering over someone being homosexual is an American past time, but do you really want to be in the same club as textee and the other adolescents?

  • porkdumpling

    Looks like more details about the April jobs number came out today from the Labor Department, indicating a broad-based recovery:
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    Job increases in 38 states, led by Ohio (37K), Pennsylvania (34K) and New York (33K).
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    Unemployment rate decreased in 34 states and rose in 6, though national rate went up from 9.7 to 9.9. The states with the worst unemployment rates, not surprisingly, are Michigan (14%), Nevada (13.7%) and California (12.6%).
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    Yesterday, it was reported that in my own backyard of New York City, the rate dropped below 10%.

  • freeinpa

    Wow an accident is now a crime. And liberals wonder why companies move all operations off shore.

    Liberals still love government and yet government inspectors were responsible for OKing this platform to operate.

    And the response?? Hang business and add more government regulation. Incompetence compounded by stupidity they name is a liberal.

    I guess when you demonize and point fingers at others it takes the focus off the governments inability to do anything it claims it will do.

  • freeinpa

    Still a step ahead of arrogant and ignorant as liberals operate. And when called on it just lie. They lie to themselves and anybody dumb enough to listen which at this point is only liberals

  • chupkar

    Oh man, this is such a perfect definition.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I guess the only way you will stop calling me arrogant, freeper is if I ignore you like everybody else.
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    Nope.
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    Just like everybody else, I am not clicking even one of your links to find out how wrong you are today.

  • porkdumpling

    Actually, it would be good to get away from the employer-based model, which is subsidized with tax exemptions and unnecessarily inflates the cost of health care. And going to an exchange-based system would increase competition among insurers to get customers instead of having mini-monopolies within companies.
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    But that would interfere with your narrative that conservatives care about cost containment/reduction, competition or effciency.

  • chupkar

    Soooooo, freepers are OK with massive devistation of American land by foreign companies? Wow, money really does talk.

  • nflfoghorn

    Where do I begin? YOU made the Evel Knievel Snake River Canyon jump in logic about losing insurance. Based on what, exactly? The prez said if you want the same insurance you have now nothing will change. Do you want to get mad at Scott Brown while you’re at it, Brainiac?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Rand Paul is performing a valuable service. He’s taking the core assuptions of the Conservative movement and unabashedly following them to their inevitable conclusion. Most Conservatives aren’t that courageous. The fact that the inevitable conclusions are appaling to most people just highlights what’s been under the radar for years.

  • porkdumpling

    Yes, sometimes accidents are crimes, when the accidents could have been prevented by following regulations and safety protocols. Just like drunk driving “accidents” result in prosecutions.
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    Remember that 11 workers died on that rig in an “accident” that maybe was a result of violations. We may see homicide prosecutions of BP yet.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Wow an accident is now a crime. ”
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    Hey, the guy I had working on was unlicensed, took some shortcuts to save me money, but, freeinpa, don’t point fingers just because my septic system is leaking into your well.
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    I mean, where’s your American spirit?
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    You know that good ole conservative ‘Merican spirit of, if somebody else screws up you eat sht.
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    If I were a careless neighbor of yours, that would be very literally.
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    Oh, by the way, sorry about that extra large spill into your yard yesterday. If I eat too many buffalo wings it just goes right through me.

  • porkdumpling

    Why do you say “it’s a victory over the progressive wing”? In what way?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    freep,
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    I don’t know if you find vodka a taste morning beverage or if you are loosing your mind.
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    Without seeing you or smelling your breath it is hard to tell.

  • northpoleresident

    This Scott Brown is my kind of guy. First his election rallies democrats to revive and pass health care. Since then he has voted for Obama’s initiatives as the deciding vote at least twice. Well done Mr. Brown.

  • kevin

    What lies? Do you even know what you’re complaining about anymore?

  • kevin

    Whoops, meant for freeper below.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Paul Dirks,
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    True
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    One thing I can say about Rand Paul, is that he has courage.
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    Unfortunately, he is exposing exactly why libertarianism is as toxic as Marxism by being at the other end of a long spectrum.

  • northpoleresident

    To the right wing war nuts any time you choose not to invade or bomb a country you are “apologizing for America”.
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    Funny how the people who want war are the ones who have gone out of their way to not fight themselves. Bush the second, Cheney, Romney and his sons. They have no value for human life on either side. Might as well be playing a video game to them.

  • allthingsinaname

    “Go Cheney yourself.”
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    I thought all of free’s writing was the release?

  • porkdumpling

    There is not a Republican of note defending Rand Paul’s statements re: civil rights, not even Jim Demint.
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    Even Paul is backing away from his own statements, prompting the Dan Savage headline, “Rand Paul Distances Himself From Rand Paul.” But not freeinpa, who would rather sound like a completely deranged bigot than concede a conservative said something bad.

  • freeinpa

    patrichturd

    You give new meaning to the expression full of crap

    “Hey, the guy I had working on was unlicensed, took some shortcuts to save me money”

    I would fully expect this of you. You have stated its a misdemeanor to have illegal workers so what is the big deal?

    But as with BP and your unlicensed plumber both show the failure of government to effectively regulate anything from oil to crap. So you suggestions is to add more regulation to inefficiency. Excellent!

  • nflfoghorn

    Mori, you oughta know by now that we’re equal opportunity offenders.

  • freeinpa

    patrickturd:

    Not surprising, you have difficulty walking up right so thinking is well above your pay grade.

  • nflfoghorn

    “…unlike the typical gutless race baiting left who hit run and hide while fools here ignore it. But will immediately jump on a conservative for any implied slight.

    “Then again responsibility and truth are punch lines to liberals”
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    Ladies and gentlemen of the jury I hereby submit Exhibit A.

  • freeinpa

    Equally as funny are liberals who will never fight against someone who will shoot back. Only character assignations in the media or abortions on the defenseless unborn. Real profiles in courage. They will only wage war against America

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “As the engineer..”
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    Joe,
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    My late father was an engineer.
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    You sound like an engineer.
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    Freeinpa claims that he is a chemical engineer.
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    Maybe, someday, you can ask him a question about engineering and see how wrong he gets the answer.
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    I hate it when people lie about themselves.
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    If I were going to make up stories, I would be a hell of a lot more interesting than I am.
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    Then, again, wouldn’t most people?
    . :)

  • Paul-no not that one

    “One thing I can say about Rand Paul, is that he has courage.”
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    He spent the latter part of this week taking/talking back his view on the Civil Rights Act so I’m not so sure he’s that brave.
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    But in the main I agree with you and PD.

  • freeinpa

    The prez said if you want the same insurance you have now nothing will change
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    I am sure having to use an intellect to reason any statement jumping across tea cup looks like the Snake River Canyon to you

    Obama told folks will change. If a company drops the insurance you can’t have the same insurance. It was one lie after another with a goal to nationalize healthcare. And yes no one may have said it out loud but anyone with a 3rd grade education (sorry you, Kevin and patrick will need help understanding this). can put the pieces of a government board with final say as to what an insurance company must offer, a panel as to what medical services are given to who and financial incentives to effectively drop providing insurance.

    So blowhard spare me your indignation (have mom look it up for you)

  • allthingsinaname

    “Only character assignations in the media or abortions on the defenseless unborn”
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    free the only thing you care about the unborn is how you can use them for your political gain. You and your party do little for those that are born and absolutely nothing for those that haven’t been, including doing anything to prevent abortions.
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    You and, your whole party, are anti-social and Un-Christian, and Un-American

  • diecash1

    But as with BP and your unlicensed plumber both show the failure of government to effectively regulate anything from oil to crap

    So, because the Federal government has oversight authority over a given industry, anything that happens, accident or malfeasance, is the fault of the government?
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    I guess that I shouldn’t expect anything more from the “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” crowd. If a private business screws up or fails, it must be the government’s fault. Only in the mind of a wingnutter.
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    Whatever happened to corporate (and personal) responsibility?

  • Paul-no not that one

    So by your logic liberals only will fight people that won’t fight back and then you say liberals are at war with America.
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    So you are calling America a wimp?
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    Shame on you!

  • freeinpa

    And you base all of your assumptions on me based on .. hate and stupidity. Yes a liberal to the core.

  • nflfoghorn

    “Take our country back!”
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    If this isn’t on its face a racist statement, would we hear it if the current SOS was the prez instead?

  • northpoleresident

    I would agree with you if we were being attacked by a specific country with armed forces to fight. Terrorists come from all over and are a very small percentage of any particular country. I guess the question is do you go to war with an entire nation over a small amount of terrorists who can cause BIG damage? How many nations could we possibly invade at one time?
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    The problem with the war on terrorism is that anyone at any place at any time can become a terrorist and inflict tremendous amount of damage. Look at the vast amount of nations that terrorist have originated from. Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, Afghanastan, really the entire middle east, and now even europe and the U.S. I don’t necessarily believe that the armed forces can take this on with the same old war tactics. I really don’t know what the answer is but the problem is more of a grey area than a simple black and white. At least in my eyes.

  • freeinpa

    So you are calling America a wimp?

    No and America is now fighting back. And it annoys whining bitchy little girls like most of the left here. Stick to derision to Palin, Beck and Limbaugh. They won’t read your crap so you all can go around congratulating each other on how brilliant you are and high -fiving your stupidity.

  • allthingsinaname

    “And you base all of your assumptions on me based on .. hate and stupidity. Yes a liberal to the core.”
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    No free, based on the writing that you post.

  • nflfoghorn

    “a liberal to the core”
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    Based on Webster’s (not your) definition of “liberal,” we’re dang proud to be, too!

  • square1

    –Senator Ted Kaufman says what a lot of people of thinking: The final bill can’t differ too much from current Senate language. The path to 60 is just too narrow,

    Please. Its all Kabuki. Isn’t it wonderful how, magically, there are only 60 votes for exactly what Obama and his merry band of Third-Way pranksters want?

    Oh, and only the Amendments that the Obama and Reid didn’t want were subject to 60-vote thresholds…if they got votes at all.

    Here’s the deal. Its just like HCR and the insurance lobby. The big Wall Street financial institutions know that some form of FInReg is inevitable. So they let Congress pass a bill that only tinkers around the margins. No breakup of too-big-to-fail institutions. No banning of naked CDSs. A knee-capped consumer protection agency. No Volker Rule (isn’t it nice to have the government give Wall Street free money to invest?)

    Obama and the Dems get to play reformists to their base. The GOP gets to pretend to oppose the bill while still being complicit — the GOP’ll engage in the Kabuki to the extent of not filibustering the amendments that Wall Street can live with and letting the whole bill pass cloture. They just want to be on the record in opposition.

    The whole mess is a sham and the media plays along.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Whatever happened to corporate (and personal) responsibility?”
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    Correct!
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    If I were your irresponsible neighbor (believe me, this would not be good for me, either to be your neighbor) and the police do not fine me for using an unlicensed plumber nor my plumber himself (who, would usually get the fine) you would blame… the police?
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    How about when your daughter is on her bicycle and somebody going way over the speed limit comes within inches of clipping her, you would blame A) the driver or B) the police.
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    The Police do handle speeding in PA. I know. I got caught doing 85 on Rt 80. (You wouldn’t think a hybrid could go that fast, but it does). Fortunately since I was driving relatives home from Thanksgiving he wrote it up as 72 MPH.
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    Obviously any responsible parent would be infuriated if somebody were dramatically speeding and nearly clipping their child.
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    So, who would you hold responsible?
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    (Hint, a liberal would get the plate number of the speeder and see if the police could take a report or something if this guy is a regular idiot on the road.)

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Not surprising, you have difficulty walking up right so thinking is well above your pay grade.”
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    Your statements are making less and less sense as time goes on.
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    You are deteriorating from grumpy old man to mental patient.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “The prez said if you want the same insurance you have now nothing will change.”
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    Obviously the party paying for the insurance he specifically meant.
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    It’s like when your Mommy takes you to McDonald’s for a Happy meal, it isn’t McDonald’s fault that she thinks you should grow up and stop living with her at age 64.
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    However, you failed to explain why a company already insuring would decide to stop insuring due to tax laws increasing taxes when they do no insure.
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    That would be like saying that, since there was a sign posting the speed limit at 65 on route 80, that caused me to want to get the fine, therefore, it is the PA State Police fault for my breaking the speed limit.

  • kbanginmotown

    @nfl: Right on!
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    IIRC, a couple of weeks back the “1000 Words” post was a picture of Obama pointing across a table at some unseen individual. The thread descended into a series of “Pull my finger” comments…happily!

  • bobcn1

    Rand Paul has the potential to be a huge windfall for the Dems. Going forward, every time a goper starts reciting his standard “I stand with the tea parties” talking points, he’ll be asked if he stands with Rand Paul (and, more importantly, Rand Paul’s views). How he answers will either end his political career or, more likely, leave him showing himself as more slippery and evasive than usual. In either case, it’s a gift for the Dems.

    Let the ducking and dodging begin!

  • Paul-no not that one

    I look forward to Rand discussing his Truther feelings about 9/11.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “we’re equal opportunity offenders”
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    So you’d be ok making black jokes if he was black? Or misogynist jokes if he were a she? Its funny how people who’d be offended at those, are completely comfortable mocking people because they’re gay.
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    I’m ok with generic poking of fun at people, even in a somewhat juvenile way (like the ‘pull my finger’ jokes), but your jokes here only work because Sen Frank is gay.

    I tag textee and his ilk for this sort of bigoted behavior when they display it. I’ll tag the non-right-wingers for the same: I’m an equal opportunity defender against bigotry.

  • apr2563

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/05/the-net-worth-of-the-us-presidents-washington-to-obama/57020/2/
    Interesting article listing the net worth of all US Presidents. Includes how they made their money and what they had after leaving office. Amazing how many had slaves. I knew a couple had slaves but there were more than a couple before the Civil War.
    Perhaps Ron Paul thinks the Civil War interferred with private business.

  • freeinpa


    Maybe, someday, you can ask him a question about engineering and see how wrong he gets the answer.
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    I hate it when people lie about themselves.
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    If I were going to make up stories, I would be a hell of a lot more interesting than I am.

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    You would be dull and stupid in any language in any planet. But at least you are consistent- You make assumptions (wrong ones) about subjects and people you don’t even know then arrogantly claim how much smarter and correct you are.

    I guess being a failed well everything leaves you with no self respect— a perfect liberal

  • freeinpa

    “I hate it when people lie about themselves”

    How do you feel about people who lie TO themselves? That’s what liberals do daily but in fairness if I had to stand for philosophy devoid of principle, truth and reality I would have to off myself. Stay away from open windows.

  • freeinpa

    http://bigjournalism.com/acary/2010/05/21/d-c-metro-police-escorted-seiu-protesters-to-greg-baers-home/

    Now we have a police escort for domestic terrorists. Where are the rabid left screaming Nazi Facist and and other name– or right Bush isn’t President anymore so you ignore what you whined about for years.

    The National Hypocrite Party of Democrats

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “You would be dull and stupid in any language in any planet. ”
    .
    So, you are saying that you believe you have been to other planets?
    .
    “.. You make assumptions (wrong ones).. people you don’t even know..”
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    I know that you are not even slightly typical of any engineer I met, you make mathematical errors, jump to conclusions at the drop of a hat and are very loose with facts and figures.
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    “.. then arrogantly claim how much smarter and correct you are.”
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    What I find most interesting about your claim that I am so arrogant is that you, when challenged by three to ten people insist that you are right and that the others are all delusional or stupid.
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    There is the concept of projecting.
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    1) Until you said you were a chemical engineer, I never said I had a good guess at your profession.
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    You insisted that, despite my saying otherwise, that you knew for a fact that I was a life long or “professional” student.
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    You insisted that I had or am accepting welfare or some kind of government assistance when I am not.
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    You then came up with earlier today that, even though I told you that my mother is a chemistry teacher in the suburbs, that I work for my mother.
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    I make assumptions about people?
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    2) “…then arrogantly claim how much smarter and correct you are.”
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    Just look at this single post. How many people have you called dumb or delusional?
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    To be frank, since you are, obviously, somebody who projects, I am concerned when you, in your heartfelt kindness and high morality, told me to put a gun in my own mouth and pull the trigger and now make a reference to open windows, I do wonder if you, yourself, are suffering from suicidal depression.
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    Honestly, I truly hope that you (nor anybody else for that matter – you are not special) are not.
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    I’ve had a tough year for commercial real estate, but, I’ve had far tougher years before and am doing just fine myself.

  • freeinpa

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/66222

    Yes lying as a way of life

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “How do you feel about people who lie TO themselves?
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    Yes, I hate it when you lie TO yourself and when you inappropriately use capital letters.

  • freeinpa

    “If this isn’t on its face a racist statement”

    And you can always count on liberals to race bait. It’s their stock and trade

    Fifty-five percent of Hispanic Democrats and 38 percent of Hispanic Republicans say there is a lot of discrimination against Hispanics, and Hispanic Democrats are more likely than those in the GOP to say they have personally been affected.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I told you before what my one conservative cause is: I am pro-life.
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    In 1990 and in 1991 I was at pro-life marches in Washington.
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    Police on horseback were there to protect us from any type of disturbance or from causing any type of disturbance.
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    So, when a liberal group gets police protection but trespasses, then this is an act of “domestic terrorism”.
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    I told you that they had trespassed, but, that is a very minor offense. I am sure that they paid their fines and went on their way.
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    I did not see this myself, but, it is my understanding that the Tea Party protests, also, have police present to both to protect them and to prevent them from causing a disturbance.
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    You could mean:
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    1) You want far, far, higher penalties for trespassing.
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    2) You want police to only be present for conservative protests but not liberal protests.
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    3) You are making no sense whatsoever.
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    Do, please, explain.

  • apr2563

    Sorry everyone but I am with momento on this.
    .
    By the way, a friend of mine had a daughter who was an exchange student in Turkey. She had her hair cut and gave the ok sign when asked how it was. It caused quite a stir in the beauty shop.
    .
    I do think jokes about homosexuality are off limits. I love a sick joke better than most. However, I don’t make jokes about minorities because it is in very poor taste and hurtful. The same is true about jokes about homosexuality.

  • apr2563

    Freeper: Have you ever watched Monty Python’s Mr. Creosote?
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    .
    He is so you. You ingest all of the bile fed to you by the fear mongers and extremists on the right and then you spew it all out. Very unpleasant.

  • nflfoghorn

    Is your name, perchance, “Webster’s Dictionary”?

  • kbanginmotown

    I apologize to all Swamplandians for my remark. I did not mean to offend; just to snark.

  • 53_3

    Patrick:
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    You could make this a slogan for some company or other:
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    “How wrong are you today?”

  • bobcn1

    Rand Paul has just canceled his appearance on “Meet The Press David Gregory” (link).

    “Rand did Good Morning America today, set the record straight, and now we are done talking about it,” said campaign spokesman Jesse Benton. “No more national interviews on the topic.”

    The rumors that McConnell had him kidnapped are probably not true.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    We should get together and open a progressive newspaper for conservatives to read and have that as our slogan.
    .
    The Daily Big Government.
    “How wrong are you today?”
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    I love it!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Whoops, meant for freeper below”
    .
    Don’t worry, Kevin. You could put: “What lies? Do you even know what you’re complaining about anymore?” in just about any spot a wingnut is typing and it would apply.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Hispanic Democrats are more likely than those in the GOP to say they have personally been affected.”
    .
    Assuming this is true, despite no links to show that it is a fact rather than just vomit, first a Hispanic person experiences discrimination, then they become a Democrat since Democrats, since the end of the civil rights movement, have consistently been the party more vigilant about protecting people’s rights.

  • sacredh

    I’ll bet Mitch sent him straight to Michael Steele for advice on how to help the party.

  • sacredh

    McConnel: Michael, move away from the door and put your hands behind your head. We’re going to unlock the door and bring you a visitor.

  • sacredh

    “What did I miss?”

    The Playboy interview for June with Michael Savage. It’s a must read.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Apr,
    .
    That video was totally immature and disgusting!
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    I liked a lot!

  • sacredh

    I’ll pass today, but I’m not letting anymore pass by without being offensive. I had a good one too. Let’s just say it had somethng to do with why every guy in the picture was smiling. Political correctness is evil. I am too but in a good way.

  • freeinpa

    Gee I wonder if everyon loves the pathetic anecdotes of your life?
    ==
    So, when a liberal group gets police protection but trespasses, then this is an act of “domestic terrorism

    Police escort from another jurisdiction that would nto stop the disturbance? First let’s not worry about the waste of taxpayer money form an area that already can’t afford it. Second if the Tea Party got and escort by police to another jurisdiction to harass someone your head would explode. ANd finally the looney left and the media has called grandmother and old retired men who protest with the Tea PArty terrorist despite the only ones ever getting hurt are the conservatives usually by the union thugs.

    Amazing no matter what the post you can never understand. So you must truly be funtionally stupid.

    And one last thing, here is a news item fo rthat misdeamenaor you love to defend.

    So, when a liberal group gets police protection but trespasses, then this is an act of “domestic terrorism

    http://www.ktvb.com/news/regional/Rape-suspect-deported-4-times-94305884.html

  • apr2563

    Is he Palin’s long lost brother?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “In 1990 and in 1991 I was at pro-life marches in Washington.”
    “Gee I wonder if everyon loves the pathetic anecdotes of your life?”
    .
    So, your calling the pro-life movement pathetic?
    .
    “Second if the Tea Party got and escort by police to another jurisdiction to harass someone your head would explode.”
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    No, they spat on people without moving anywhere.
    .
    Next, out of the blue, out of 12 Million undocumented workers, you found one who committed a terrible crime.
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    With some research, I have no doubt that I could find one hundred registered Republicans convicted of rape.
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    The crime rate among immigrants is half of that for all American born people. If that area had, instead, been occupied by American born people from another part of the country, maybe we would have had two rapists instead of one.

  • 3xfire3

    destor,
    .
    Your comment is correct but I’m afraid you are probably the only Liberal on this site to understand it.

  • 3xfire3

    As usual Ignorance is Bliss for most of the Liberals on this site.
    .
    When I was working on my MBA in Business Economic I learned something very important. Making good decisions was not really that difficult if you followed the following formula:
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    1. Gather as much information and data as you could find.
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    2. Analysis the information and data thoroughly.
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    3. When you accomplish steps 1 and 2, good decisions come very naturally.
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    4. I found by using this analytical approach in my own business my batting average on good decisions was around 900.
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    It is interesting to see how few Liberals are willing to even look at information and data that doesn’t support their view. I guess that’s why their batting averages are around 100.

  • 3xfire3

    Unfortunately for you Liberals, he will win the Senate seat in KY. Your attempts to demonize him will have no effect. Watch the polls. He is much more capable than you children of the Left realize. So go try to create a negative situation out of words out of context and maybe someone will give you an ice cream cone for your losing efforts.

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
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    Actually I thought freeinpa’s comments were right on.

  • 3xfire3

    Apr,
    .
    You are totally blinded by your Liberal glasses. freeinpa speaks of the real world. You and most of the Liberals on this site don’t understand the real world. You only understand your dream world which is not real.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “It is interesting to see how few Liberals are willing to even look at information and data that doesn’t support their view. I guess that’s why their batting averages are around 100.”
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    3X,
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    About every other morning I check out the morning post here in Swampland.
    .
    I find bizarrely unrelated subjects Freeinpa brings up.
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    About three quarters of the time, at least one of the three or four articles, if not more, come to exactly the opposite conclusion that he says it does. A majority of the time the article comes to a totally unrelated conclusion than his.
    .
    Thursday, like today, Freeinpa went on another verbal rampage about how “arrogant” I am.
    .
    So, finding that irritating, I am not even going to go through article after article to make fun of him.
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    You are better behaved than Freeinpa (which is a low bar, like saying that you are taller than Danny DeVito). I do read any links you send and even ask you to link to things you claim to know are facts but contradict previous experiences and/or previous articles I or others have seen.
    .
    From what I have seen, Freeinpa doesn’t even read more than just the headlines and just links them with a random, unfounded comment.
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    “I found by using this analytical approach in my own business my batting average on good decisions was around 900.”
    .
    For a man who does not use his own name, you do a huge amount of bragging.
    .
    I should use a fake name and say wonderful things about myself.
    .
    Using my real name, I am stuck using only the truth.
    .
    I have no way of knowing even one thing about your achievements. Hypothetically, you could even be understating them.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Not surprising, you have difficulty walking up right so thinking is well above your pay grade.”
    .
    “Actually I thought freeinpa’s comments were right on.”
    .
    3X,
    .
    Before you jump in with your street gang-like mentality defending one of your boys, make sure that you are clear and specific with what you say.
    .
    Freeinpa is doing random mud slinging.
    .
    I’ve never said that you were an ape. Comments like this he is making aren’t even ape like. I think they were more like Neanderthals, not apes. Apes were bright enough to stay alive. Neanderthals, like angry right wingers such as the Know Nothing Party and Freeinpa, go extinct.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “He is much more capable than you children of the Left realize.”
    .
    Except for one independent on either side of my family, everybody born before 1950 in my family is Republican.
    .
    Everybody in my family born after 1950 in my family is a Democrat.
    .
    Also, except for one, nobody in my family born before 1950 went to graduate school (and some didn’t go to college at all).
    .
    Except for me, everybody in my family born after 1950 finished graduate school.
    .
    I am not a “child of the left”.
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    I am a middle aged man who had been a child of the right.
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    (I’m not going to marry Sher.)

  • apr2563

    sacredh: Take a look at the expression on Elmer Fudd Lieberman. Now that’s funny.

  • apr2563

    Only 2 others have canceled appearing on MTP: Prince Bandar or Saudia Arabia and Louis Farakkan.
    Nice company. Didn’t he know Gregory would find a false equivalency to help defend him?

  • sacredh

    That’s Lieberman? I thought Barney had a really nasty festering pimple.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    A priest and a homo walk into a bar…..

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
    .
    “I should use a fake name and say wonderful things about myself”.
    .
    If you did that it would not be true.
    .
    In my case it is true. I’m not bragging.
    I’m simply stating relevant facts that add to the points under discussion.
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    Patrick, you are the only one on this site that has ever questioned my background.
    .
    Don’t try to shoot the messenger.
    Listen and learn.
    You have a lot of knowledge but little experience.
    If you learned to talk less and listen more you would gain a lot of practical information that would make you a better person and help to achieve your goals in life.

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
    .
    “I should use a fake name and say wonderful things about myself”.
    .
    If you did that it would not be true.
    .
    In my case it is true. I’m not bragging.
    I’m simply stating relevant facts that add to the points under discussion.
    .
    Patrick, you are the only one on this site that has ever questioned my background.
    .
    Don’t try to shoot the messenger.
    Listen and learn.
    You have a lot of knowledge but little experience.
    If you learned to talk less and listen more you would gain a lot of practical information that would make you a better person and help to achieve your goals in life.

  • sacredh

    Same guy?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “If you learned to talk less and listen more you would gain a lot of practical information that would make you a better person and help to achieve your goals in life.”
    .
    Such as I could learn to respond in completely incorrect places?
    .
    If this were a blog about business and industry, particularly one about commercial real estate, there is a great deal relevant to me here. Since this is about politics and I grew up in a very, very Republican town out in the suburbs where your work history and credentials would be just about average (my best friend’s father in high school was chief tax lawyer for Pepsi, for example) I am very aware of what has been called Wall Street-like conservatives.
    .
    You are saying a, now, far, far more conservative version of what CEO fathers in my hometown were saying 20 to 25 years ago as our country went further and further to the right.
    .
    You have little to teach me in politics and I do not a correlation between steel work and leasing Manhattan office space (there is very little industrial space in Manhattan today).
    .
    You’ll notice that nobody else here uses their claims of work experience or biography the way that you do except Kevin Groenhagen who, engaged in illegal harassment and illegal threats in addition, since he used his real name, I discovered was lying about himself a great deal.
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    For all I know, instead of 71 you could be 17 years old and never kissed a girl yet.
    .
    So, in my experience here I have seen two people claiming amazing work experience. One is a liar and the other is you.
    .
    I am not saying that you are lying per se. However, I am saying that if you choose, for security purposes, to hide your real name, do not expect anybody to treat your work history seriously.

  • 53_3

    Let me guess:
    .
    These comments were all made before 1995, right?

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    ….says Barney with a grin as he whipes off his chin…

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