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Iran: two more views

Charles Krauthammer, stuck in the unipolar nineties, blames the Brazil-Turkey nuclear deal with Iran on…wait for it, you’ll really be surprised…the Obama Administration. He uses the occasion to vamp on Obama for what he sees as American weakness across the board and, implicitly, calls for a return to the Bush era when we unsuccessfully tried to bully the world, rather than rally it to our side against extreme players like Al Qaeda and the military dictatorship in Iran. His Ameri-centrism is so blinkered, and straitened, that it excludes all possibility of change and development in the world. It ignores the desire of rising powers like Brazil and Turkey to be part of the international diplomatic process–indeed, Krauthammer would try to boss them around and, inevitably, alienate them further. It sees Russia and China as permanent cold-war enemies…and ignores new economic developments, like the growing rivalry between Russia and Iran as competing energy producers. This sort of wishful thinking, and purposeful naivete, will result in a further diminution of U.S. power in a world of rising powers who will seek to find balance without us.

Les Gelb has a much more subtle and knowing opinion than Krauthammer, encouraging countries like Brazil and Turkey to take a more active role in international affairs and hoping–not very realistically, I fear–that some sort of inspection regime can be maintained in order to guarantee that the spread of nuclear power, which is inevitable, remains peaceful and not weaponized. Gelb does get to the heart of the matter, though: Our concerns about proliferation are selective and therefore hypocritical. We have nothing to say about Israel’s arsenal–and I agree with Gelb: we shouldn’t, given Israel’s legitimate need for an ultimate deterrent in a hostile neighborhood. But that makes it harder for us to lecture other countries, including Iran, about getting some deterrent security of their own.

For those who missed it yesterday, here’s my view of the problem.

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  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I’ve occasionally compared military force to a sculptor’s chisel. You can make the world more to your liking by removing the parts that don’t fit but nothing you can do will add to the total structure.
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    It’s easy then to discern then that if force (in the form of guns and explosives) are the only tool you’re willing to use, then the path you have choesen can only lead to widening destruction. Most sane people can see this fairly easily.
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    Your first cited columnist does not qualify.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Well, Iran is an NPT signatory and Israel isn’t. That’s one reason to treat them differently.
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    It’s telling that the intelligent article you quote is on a blog, and the ignorant, bloviating one is in the Washington Post. It’s no accident. The practice of lifetime tenure for MSM pundits has been a disaster for punditry. If only Krauthammer, and Fred Hiatt, favored accountability instead of counterproductive coddling.

  • swissArmyBrainBETA

    I’ve seen a couple people (all among the smarter ones here) make this charge now. I’ve been assuming you are all just taking some license w/ the term ‘tenure’ and there isn’t actually any official POLICY of tenure.
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    if that is in fact the case, then what reason do any of you have for thinking that someone like Krauth is still around because of their employers loyalty or “coddling”? It seems much more reasonable to me to assume its because they have name recognition, are heavily syndicated, have loyal readers, and are generally a good business decision.

  • koabd

    I think, to your point, swissArmy, there isn’t any real evidence that what you point out isn’t the case: Krauthammer and the like are probably a good business decision for the WaPo. I think the question that really needs to be raised is whether or not news organizations, and those they position as thought leaders, should be treated in a strictly business matter.
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    There is an argument to be made (and I have heard and can make it as an old journalism student) that news generation — and concomitant opinion generation — are public trusts. As such, the veracity of the claims being made should be paramount — not the economics. The fact that the latter seems to be the driver, as you have pointed out, leads to the irritation you see on this blog: claims of “corporatist” media; howls against the “MSM”; elevation of the Greenwalds of the world.

  • earljr1

    Gee, Joe Small, did it ever occur to you that Charles Krauthammer just might be right? What has Obama accomplished in the mid-east? Iran is even MORE belligerent, continuing an all out effort to arm itself with nuclear weapons. Israel has been minimized and insulted, considering America now to be an impediment to its own security. Yes, indeed, a sterling example of how apologist diplomacy never works. Israel will be forced to take matters into their own hands and Obama will continue to make excuses, aided and abetted by left wing journalists such as yourself.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    SwissArmy– Of course you are right, there is no official policy of tenure. However, any pundit who’s had a column for a couple years seems to be guaranteed lifetime employment like at companies in Japan in the 80s.
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    As for why that is so, you suggest that it might be a good business decision. I am not convinced; entrenched pundits don’t seem to have been boosting newspaper and magazine subscriptions. I don’t know if all too many people buy the Post, or the Toledo Blade, because they expect to see famous syndicated columnists.
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    But let’s take that proposition to be true for the sake of argument. That is much, much worse for journalism. Remember, Krauthammer has been completely wrong about everything. Read him on Iraq, Iran, pretty much anything the last five-ten years. And he’s what the MSM markets as a big seller? I mean, it’s fine that Miley Cyrus is really famous despite not being all that good, but she’s just entertainment. Is institutional journalism really that committed to hyping and promoting the disastrously incompetent?

  • sevenoaks07

    The Beinart piece has brought us back to the problem we have with the other actors in the Middle East; and underlines why we have not yet managed to re-establish a working relationship with Iran. Israel ties our hands; and many here are happy to have their hands tied. All the frothing about Iran without any mention of Israel’s nuclear arsenal shows the hypocrisy at the base of our ME “policy”. Forget the restraints on the President; we can have a major financial crisis, a couple of wars and oil leaking in the Gulf of Mexico. If someone wants to pass a motion (no pejorative intended) in support of this or that on Israel it will day a couple of hours to get a vote in Congress offering unconditional support for this or that.

    Brazil and Turkey are just adding to our troubles by looking at Iran in terms of their trading, not strategic, interests. And there is little we can do about that.

  • koabd

    That is much, much worse for journalism. Remember, Krauthammer has been completely wrong about everything.
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    Just to play devil’s advocate, Krauthammer isn’t paid to be a journalist; he’s paid to be an editorialist. Right or wrong, he’s hired to pontificate. So, I don’t see Krauthammer’s continued presence at the Post as being bad for journalism; I see it as poorly reflecting on the WaPo’s ability to hire credible (outside of a very narrow niche) opinion writers. And that is unfortunate, because opinion writers are “thought leaders,” helping frame the discussion on news items.

  • charlieromeobravo

    What did Bush accomplish in the middle east that would make his a good role model to look to as an example of how we should be handling things there now? The Bush administration was MIA in the middle east for the first six months they were in charge. Their policy for the last 7 and a half years can be described as “Yeah, what Israel wants”. What Israel desires and what actions they take are not automatically correct and just. Also, was Iran a problem for us as long as Saddam Hussein was in power and they kept each other busy?

  • http://melissasouza.wordpress.com melissasouza

    I don’t bother to read the Hammer anymore. He has lost every last ounce of credibility and his columns are nothing more than knee-jerk tirades against anything and everything Obama. I think his colossal ego is smarting from the fact that he’s been cut completely out of the loop of Presidential schmoozing, cocktails, and tit-for-tat–he’s no longer in the White House circuit, for good reason. Even his colleague, Michael Gerson, another conservative (albeit significantly less annoying and hysterical than Krauthammer), has the grace to praise Obama once in a while where he thinks credit is due (he wrote a column a couple of months ago lauding Obama’s education initiatives), and his tone is substantially more civil in his criticism.

    The Neo-Con fest at the Post coincides with the Paper’s financial meltdown and its running around a tin cup for bucks; they had those infamous lobbyist salons a while back, and there are probably enormous, very reactionary dollars behind the hiring of so many discredited neocon babblers. As you’ve said in your columns, Joe, Krauthammer, thankfully, has been banished to the wilderness, and his dangerous talk rings hollow with those power players that matter now. The problem is that he’s very dangerous, and I’m still quite nervous about the Rethugithans regaining power in some fashion and bringing these people back into the loop. We need two more election cycles to put these people to rest–this November and 2012. The Democrats must retain power at all costs.

    On that subject, I’d like to see you comment on a Post article today about major shifts in Corporate donations to the Republican Party before the mid-terms. This contrasts to what happened in 1994, when corporations changed their support to the Republican Party AFTER the elections, and not before. This suggests that Big Corporate Power is growing increasingly uncomfortable with the Democrats’ change agenda, which aims for the public good and needed reform at the expense of cutting into corporate profits. They WANT a Republican Congress, and hopefully a Republican Presidency in 2012. They want to roll back reforms–health care, financial, and probably energy, and they also want to halt any future reforms (the article points out Big Pharma’s generous giving to Republican candidates to hinder efforts at controlling prices on drugs).

    Big Corporate Power gave enormously to Democrats in the past years, but I think they never imagined that Obama was actually serious about implementing reform, or that he would really be successful at it. I would like to know how the rest of the media reacts to this article, which is very troubling.

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  • stmichaeltraveler

    Once Israel has agreed to join the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty and had dismantled her nuclear bombs, then the civilized world may listen to them. Iran is member of NPT, and does not have any nuclear bombs. The civilized world must work to create a nuclear free Middle East. We do not want to expand the number of the nuclear states in the region.

  • swissArmyBrainBETA

    just read Gelb’s piece. fanciful and impotent. almost no support offered for his opinions. don’t waste your time.

  • formerlyjames

    It is good to have Krauphamer to remind us of where we have been and where we may go. Misguided people (I first thought of the term “idiot”, but backed off of that in deference to the mentally challenged), do serve a purpose.

  • rdw56

    Charles is doing quite well with an ever expanding audience. He is without question the most influencial thinker and writer on the right. Joe wishes he had near his level of influence. No other witier is as well respected by his peers for both his intellectual depth and his writing skills. Just watch the Fox roundtable to see what it’s like when one man stands alone as excellent. Juan. Mara, Brit, etc., all defer to Charles.

  • http://melissasouza.wordpress.com melissasouza

    Yes, by this comment it really does seem that you’re a big Fox watcher. It’s true–the Kraut is respected–by the most reactionary, violent, right-wing fringe of the country. He is light years away from mainstream influence. Even his commentary on the Post is losing steam–it seems his anti-Obama tirades are starting to tire even the more conservative Post readers. A few months ago Kraut columns were almost always in the most read box; recently they’ve disappeared. Once in a while, like this morning, he still does pop up, but the trend is definitely toward the “irrelevant” direction. Yes, he is an excellent writer, I grant you that. But “intellectual depth” is pushing it a bit too far. He sees the world as did many of the less enlightened Roman emperors; it’s America’s for the taking and for the dominating, and screw everyone else. He wants us to get into a third war with Iran, even after his catastrophic pet project the Iraq War almost sent the mightiest military in the world running with its tail between its legs from a half-dozen kooks in a god-foresaken, crushed country. And having the Fox panel of nitwits “defer” to Charles does not say much for his intellectual ability, either. I’ll stick with Joe Klein, thanks. His audience is way, WAY bigger, his influence much MUCH greater with a broader audience worldwide. And he has the ear of the President. Kraut should stick to his nano-audience. Not even moderate-mainstream Republicans take him seriously.

  • allthingsinaname

    I do not know much, but I do know that world power isn’t what it use to be.

  • earljr1

    melissa is so obfuscated by the rainbow’s glare, her reality perception is completely out of tilt. Talk about sanctimonious blather…she gives us a FULL dose. The ONLY thing that would have us “running from Iraq with our tail between our legs”, would be liberal defeatist’s like melissa and our apologist President. Joe Small has the ear of this President ONLY because he panders to him. Charles has the enviable courage to stand UP to him and calls the shots exactly as he sees them. Fawning melissa can go back to her dream world now and count unicorns, as she returns to her vegetative state.

  • http://johnvelvetbrown.wordpress.com johnvelvetbrown

    1. Brazil and Turkey are emerging global powers.

    2. Turkey wants to go nuclear, too.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    “I’ll stick with Joe Klein, thanks. His audience is way, WAY bigger,…”
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    Wow!
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    Dr. Earl, is there a prescription or antidote for this type of dementia, or has poor mellissa sadly slipped beyond hope? So sad.

  • rdw56

    melissa, you need to pull your head out of the clouds. Liberals have been trying to marginalize Fox and the conservative media since Fox went on air over a decade ago. Check the ratings. It’s not working.

    For the record I get most of my news off blogs and watch only the last 20 minutes of Fox news to get the roundtable. I watch an average of 3 nights a week. I’ll periodically watch ABC to get a chuckle at their version of objectivity.

    The Fox roundtable is superior because Charles is the best and the other conservatives good and I think Mara and Juan excellent and the other libs good. It’s called fair and balaned for a reason. I saw the into to Meet the Press this day and of the 5 person panel 4 were exteme libs like Thomas L Freidman and the token conservative Paul Gigot. ABC generally only has George Will.

    One other clue sis; Gallup does an annual poll asking if we consider ourselves liberal or conservative or something else. The last time it was 40% conservative, 20% liberal, about where it’s been for a long time. So when you call the conservative view extreme and the liberal view mainsteam you merely prove youself to be an airhead. That might be unkind but it’s also demonstrably true.

    But keep up the good work. Obama has been doing the same thing. Demonize Fox and Limbaugh. And then watch the ratings.

  • rdw56

    “I’ll stick with Joe Klein, thanks. His audience is way, WAY bigger, his influence much MUCH greater with a broader audience worldwide. And he has the ear of the President.”

    Sorry, Melissa but facts are stubborn things. one of the liberal publications did a top 100 most influencial list of both parties a couple of months ago following on the heels of a UK paper, The guardian I think. CK made the top 10 in both publications. Klein wasn’t mentioned in the top 100 in either. On the Fox rountable alone CK gets more exposure than Klein and his columns are linked to by almost every conservative blogger. The National Review, a top 10 blog, reprints his Fox transcript every day as a routine. It doesn’t have to fit a topic. It’s charles. It will be well written (spoken) and insightful.

    As far as the ear of Obama so what? Obama is more extreme left than Joe. Joe’s frustration is he doesn’t have the ear of the public as Charles does. Obama and Joe have their panties in a twist over Arizona yet 2/3′s of the public support Arizona. Mexican President Calderon just came to this country to trash a US State and Obama stood there and smiled and cheered. Libs like Joe have no idea how unseemly that is to the vast majority in fly-over country. Even before you get to the fact Mexico is a vastly corrupt nation with far more odious immigration laws, and in no place to lecture ANYONE on civil rights, Calderon came off as a horses ass as did Obama as did the Democratic Congress giving him a standing Ovation.

    Now thing about this from the conservative perspective. How cool is it that ABCNews and Joe Klein totally ignore Mexico’s own immigration laws AND the corrupt and often barbaric nature of their enforcement, YET thanks to people like Charles most of us still know. True, there are people who just get their news from Time and ABCNews. We call them the clueless. But at least 80% of Americans who actually follow the news understand Calderon is a total horses ass in no position to lecture even North Korea on civil rights.

    Do a google search on the polls for the Arizona governor if you doubt how pathetic the liberal media and Obama has been on this. The republican governor a month ago was losing to her democratic opponent something like 47% to 38%. A few days ago it reversed in her favor 52% to 39%. That is a rarely in politics and it is due entirely to Obama, Joe Klein and Charles Krauthammer.

    This damage is worse than you know. Obama’s great advantage in 2008 was in being a blank slate. He’s now a reckless tax and spend liberal as well as a blame America 1st liberal. Conservatives have been asking if anyone can remember an American President standing side by side with a foreign leader while he trashed America and patted him on the back for doing so. It’s not an image that sells well outside the far left.

  • rdw56

    Turkey and Brazil are not emerging global powers. Per capita incomes in each are not in the top 60. They have no technology infrastructure and lead in nothing.

  • earljr1

    2thirdsrocks, prognosis is poor…..she has had too much exposure to toxic elements.

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