Is the NFIB Really a Voice for Small Businesses?

Today, the National Federation of Independent Business joined the states suing the federal government on the grounds that federal health reform is unconstitutional. Wow – this ups the ante, right?

Politico seems to think so, saying its daily health care alert this morning:

…politically and symbolically, it could make the lawsuit look less partisan, less like an election year stunt by a bunch of Republican governors and AGs. While long opposed to the law, the NFIB is the nation’s most influential small business lobby at 350,000 members and it will now be formally on record saying the law’s mandates affront the Constitution…

But the NFIB, as I pointed out in a story last November, appears to be anti-Democratic health reform even though that reform empirically includes major benefits for small business. Overall and broadly, this sector of the U.S. economy stands to gain far more than it loses under reform.

As I said in my previous story, the NFIB fought hard against the employer mandate despite that most small businesses would be exempt from the rule. The NFIB helped defeat the public option, even though it would have been a cheaper way for its members to insure its workers without any mandates. In short, the NFIB seemed then to be shooting itself in the foot or misunderstanding how health reform would affect small businesses.

Is that happening again? In a press release announcing its plans to join the legal challenges to the constitutionality of the reform law, the president of the NFIB said:

“Small business owners everywhere are rightfully concerned that the unconstitutional new mandates, countless rules and new taxes in the healthcare law will devastate their business and their ability to create jobs.

They are also concerned about their personal freedoms. This law is the first time the federal government has required individuals to purchase something simply because they are alive. If Congress can regulate this type of inactivity, then there are essentially no limits to what they can mandate individuals to do.”

But the employer mandate does not apply to companies with fewer than 50 workers, the vast majority of small businesses. Plus, the law provides major tax credits to businesses with fewer than 25 employees and average wages below $50,000 per year. The NFIB says the tax credits aren’t large enough or available to enough business, saying “Fewer than 1.8 million small businesses will qualify for the health insurance tax credit.” Even if this is true, isn’t a tax credit program for 1 million small businesses pretty valuable? How about 500,000 small businesses?

One of the biggest difficulties of running a small business is losing out on employees who go to work for large companies that offer better compensation, including health benefits. It’s hard to see how a law that will help small businesses which decide to provide benefits, while exempting most from offering any benefits at all will “devastate their business and their ability to create jobs.”

In fact, that’s the situation under the present system, as I said last November:

Some 70% of the nation’s estimated 50 million uninsured are full-time workers or their dependents, many of whom work for small businesses. Just 39% of workers in firms with three to 24 staff are covered by job-sponsored insurance, down from 50% in 1999. Workers at companies with fewer than 200 employees (that offer coverage) pay an average of $4,204 out of pocket per year for family health insurance, compared with $3,182 for workers at firms above the 200-employee threshold.

The NFIB says most of its members have 10 or fewer workers. Are these the business owners the group really speaks for?

Related Topics: employer mandate, Health Care, health reform, national federation of independent business, nfib, small business, tax credit, Uncategorized
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  • Paul-no not that one

    Sounds like they are just another version of the Chamber of Commerce.
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    That’s their history.

  • textee

    Democrat party political activist Kate Pickert asserts:

    “The NFIB helped defeat the public option, even though it would have been a cheaper way for its members to insure its workers without any mandates. In short, the NFIB seemed then to be shooting itself in the foot or misunderstanding how health reform would affect small businesses.”

    Imagine the audacity of those people! People who actually know something about producing products with some value didn’t listen to Obama and Pickert, who know nothing about producing products with some value, school them on the utopia of socialized medicine and how wonderful it will be to America.

  • Ivy_B

    The NFIB says most of its members have 10 or fewer workers.

    But the employer mandate does not apply to companies with fewer than 50 workers, the vast majority of small businesses.

    Most companies with fewer than 10 workers don’t do a lot of production kinds of jobs. Think dental offices, for example. The NFIB needs to get a grip. They are obviously not worrying about their members.

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, Kate. Before Rusty storms in here to rant (and accuse me of sucking up to you), I’d like to suggest that you and Barbara explore this big vs. small biz world view, how laws / lobbying favors big over small, how their trade groups and friends different are really far apart as you’re hinting at here with HCR, etc. It’d make a good dead-tree primer for general readers (cover story? “How Big Biz Royally Screws Small Biz by KP and BK”; we swampies already understand), but please link it here too. Thanks for your thoughts.

  • Art Pepper

    Also, removing caps on damages from oil spills will hurt all of the mom-and-pop offshore oil drilling companies.

  • square1

    Textee, instead of making a smartass comment, go ahead and try to make an intelligent argument for why it would be in the best interest of NFIB members to not have a public option. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

  • shepherdwong

    “Are these the business owners the group really speaks for?”
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    I doubt that all of those business owners are bald-faced liars:

    …healthcare law will devastate their business and their ability to create jobs.

  • gysgt213

    A wise man once said that Americans are deliberately on purpose becoming more stupid by the day.

  • billysumo

    NFIB is an association that sells health insurance to small businesses. That might impact their point of view. Perhaps they will have a hard time competing? It used to be common that the only reason a small business owner joined (i.e. paid dues to NFIB) was to become eligible for their association-based health insurance plans.

  • FlownOver

    Exactly. These groups are beholden to their largest members, whose interests differ significantly from their typical members. The smaller companies go along out of a combination of envy and a desire to curry favor with large potential customers.

  • Cliff

    Hey, this is off-topic, but why am I still seeing Karl Rove’s fat dog-raping face on the left of the comment page?
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    Could Time find someone who isn’t a horrible filthy monster to display prominently on its site?

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Dude, it’s on my right! What’s that about?
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    And that’s what a “dog-raping face” looks like! I always wondered…

  • stuartzechman

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  • Cliff

    Ohmigod I swear I’m dyslexic sometimes. Yes, yes Karl Rove’s dog raping face is indeed to my right.
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    Sorry folks, I get stupid on Friday evenings.

  • 3xfire3

    Textee,
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    This is one of your better posts.
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    Kate and all these Liberal commenters have no idea about running a small business or any business for that mater. Almost all of their posts are anti-business.
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    Now they think they know what’s best for a small business. They don’t have a clue. Their record is stuck on the “Government Control Song.” They would take us down the path of Greece.
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    As a small business owner for over 35 years, I would put my faith in the NFIB and the Chamber of Commerce as to who really understands what’s in the best interest of a small business. They know a lot more about small business then this herd of Social Democrats.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “Sorry folks, I get stupid on Friday evenings.”
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    Sh!t, wish I could bracket off my own.
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    And SZ, though that classic featuring alien-paranoid Dan Ackroyd is fairly awesome, my vote has to go to Pete Schwetty and his balls:
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    http://s231.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/krazykatwomyn/?action=view&current=SNLPete.flv

  • newfreedomblog

    “how their trade groups and friends different are really far apart as you’re hinting at here with HCR, etc.”

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    Are you actually advocating for an investigation on how BIG LABOR was involved in the health care reform debate before the passage of this unconsitutional bill/law?
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    DeconDiva you continually surprise me all the time. I never imagined you would go against one of the major bases of support for your buddies and pals, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and of course, Barack Obama!!
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    Didn’t Big Labor have a great deal of it’s members excempted from the proposed cadillac tax? Is that the type of “lobbyist” reform and exposure by the media you are talking about too?

  • diecash1

    Good point Ivy but facts like those you posted only seem to confuse and enrage the right-wing blowhards in the swamp.
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    Keep up the good work.

  • Ivy_B

    I usually have my sound turned completely down, but this morning had been listening to something on another site. Suddenly over here I heard a commercial for some acne cream and on the next post for a dishwasher product. Have they always been on autoplay?

    And I’ve been wondering how long they are going to venerate Rove as well. Hope it’s not as long as they had Kennedy up – although in that case they were trying to sell something.

  • joyfulalternative

    Yes, as a small business owner, I once investigated joining for the insurance benefits. But their promotional materials were Bircher right, the membership fees were high, and the insurance wasn’t very good.

    I know this outfit doesn’t represent me and my small business. Maybe it represents mom and pop health insurance companies! I supported single-payer universal health insurance for the benefit of the country as well as mine.

  • tstar3

    WELL, Kate this is Politico we are talking about.THE win the morning morons. Figures, since they are an “advocate” for small business, Politico only needs that to cry out FIRE FIRE FIRE. By the way, If I were the Republicans I would be a wee bit nervous. Looks like they might have peaked early, the latest AP and WSJ/NBC poll has the Dems up from the previous month’s poll. AP has them up 45-40, from 44-44 a month ago.

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    Now with this financial regulation bill, which if understand it correctly includes an ammendment that would stop banks from collecting fees when you use your plastic cards at stores..possible making the goods cheaper. So now that the Hispanic vote is gone, the Reps better hold on to what “coalition” they left.

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    A part of me wants them to be in control, so they would have to put their ideas on the table. Like Paul Ryans’ plan of gutting Medicare. At least it’s an idea..that Boehner never let come to any committee or floor vote. And if things don’t “change” if/when they get control…hello Dems and Obama in 2012. Just like the Dems in 06, the Republicans are trying to sell the American people a bridge made of fairy dust and cranberry pies.

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    It would be better telling the truth (i.e We will have to raise taxes and be in Afghanistan for at least a decade) because in the end the Truth always wins out. But, I’m not a pol.

  • nathan7777

    Well then, what exactly in the health care bill will make it harder for you to operate your small business? Is it the mandate? That couldn’t be. If you have less than 50 employees, your business is exempt. Is it the exchanges? That couldn’t be either. Enrolling in the exchanges would be the onus of your employees, not you. It must be the subsidies then! You know, the ones that offer you money to help you provide health insurance.
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    If it’s not any of those, then what exactly is it? Or are you just reflexively against anything Democratic, even when you are set up to benefit the most?

  • nathan7777

    I supported single-payer universal health insurance for the benefit of the country as well as mine.
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    You have a country? :)

  • megatronrises

    @ 3xfire3
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    I don’t understand how this is one of textee’s “better posts” when it is essentially all snark with no substance.
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    Also, instead os simply putting faith in the NFIB like a sheep, I would educate yourself on the issues and put something forward as to why the bill would actually be detrimental to small businesses.

  • 3xfire3

    That’s only the people on the Left side of our political system. The right side is actually getting much smarter as illustrated by the growth of the Patriotic Tea Party Movement.

  • 3xfire3

    joyful,
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    From your comments I find it difficult to believe that you actually ran a small business of any significance. Being self employed is not running a small business.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “That’s only the people on the Left side of our political system.”
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    Really, if America is, obviously, the most right wing country in the developed world, then why would our left be the dumb ones to an outsider?
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    Maybe if it is an outsider from Haiti, which has much lower taxes.
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    Think of Haiti as the end result of conservatism.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “From your comments I find it difficult to believe that you actually ran a small business of any significance.”
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    3X, will you stop plagiarizing from me!
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    I’ve been wondering which lemonade stand you used to run and you now steal this line for somebody else.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
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    You have an interesting biography:
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    Born 1938.
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    Joined the Navy 1956.
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    Left the Navy and worked in a factory from 1960 until 1964.
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    Retired at age 65 in 2003.
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    “As a small business owner for over 35 years, I would put my faith in the NFIB and the Chamber of Commerce as to who really understands what’s in the best interest of a small business.”
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    2003 – 35 = 1968.
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    Four years out of college you started your own business and made a fortune?
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    You, without help from family “on the wrong side of the tracks” your savings from four years of earnings was enough to start a business with 35 million in revenues?
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    You do know that this is extremely improbable.
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    I think you are a pathological liar.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “And so, with a name like Fluckers, it’s got to be good.”
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    That reminds me of getting a burger at Fudruckers and going to Athol, Massachusetts or, the perfect place to be in junior high, Gaylordsville, Connecticut. (On the other hand, both of those towns might be good places for people with alternative lifestyles.. I still don’t know about Rudfu…)

  • 3xfire3

    As a small business owner, I always found that the NFIB and the Chamber of Commerce did a good job of looking out for the interest of small businesses. They tend to look beyond the government hype and look at the likely outcome of new government laws and regulations.
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    As a small business owner of 35 years, I would put my trust in their analysis rather than that of congress and the president. 99% of the time what government says something will cost and what it actually costs are totally different. Things almost always cost substantially more than government projections. There are often many unintended consequences.
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    All you have to do is look at the economic melt down of the Democratic Socialist Model taking place in Europe. Greece, Spain, Ireland, and Great Britain are front and center to this current melt down.
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    Britain’s debt is the worse in Europe and is the result of increased government spending [sound familiar] from 37% of GDP to 53% of GDP in the last decade alone. Our current government is following this model of self destruction.
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    When I started my company almost 40 years ago, there were only 2 employees and myself, a dream, a concerned wife and a very large bank loan. When I retired after 35 years there were 65 employees [we actually called them associates], 22 of which were engineers. Sales averaged $35,000,000 per year.
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    In my business dealings with government agencies. I always found them to be totally inefficient and bureaucratic nightmares. If most government agencies were independent companies, 95% of them would go bankrupt and go out of business through pure incompendence.

  • ricardo4max

    Anything that goes against the “transformation” of this country into a socialist state by Obama, Soros and all the other far left radicals in the media, Hollywood, and education is ridiculed and demagogued by the press.
    Of course, small business are represented by NFIB. The proof? They are against the so-called health care reform bill that hurts America and ALL Americans (but not illegal aliens!).

  • ricardo4max

    Thanks Great Post!

  • ricardo4max

    When everything is easy one quickly gets stupid.

    Maxim Gorkey

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “All you have to do is look at the economic melt down of the Democratic Socialist Model taking place in Europe…”
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    Then how do you explain the meltdown that has already happened here?
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    Are you going to blame the Carter Administration or Lydon Johnson?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “They are against the so-called health care reform bill..”
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    Retardomax, you really have some reading comprehension problems since the bill exempts nearly off their the NFIB’s constituents.
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    Get back to us when you’ve completed the fourth grade. Some of these words are, obviously, not on your vocabulary tests yet.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
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    Ireland has a higher per captia Gross Domestic Product than the US.
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    So, when the slump, they will come down to our level.
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    Did you notice that the Irish bars are not-as-Irish anymore?
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    It’s because Ireland is doing better than the US and few people have been coming here the past fifteen years.

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
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    Still creating your own facts.
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    The melt down in Europe is so bad that it makes ours look situation look good by comparison. The major problems we have is uncontrolled spending and a lack of understanding by this admistration on how to create jobs other than working for the government.
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    Ireland has already been bailed out once by the EU and appears to still be in trouble.
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    Here’s part of an article from Real Clear Politics that you might find interesting. I know I did. Fact sure make things easier to understand.
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    Europe’s Lack Of Discipline
    By George Will
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    Pulitzer Prize Winning Columnist
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    Greece represents a perverse aspiration — a society with more takers than makers, more people taking benefits from government than there are people making goods and services that produce the social surplus that funds government. By socializing the consequences of Greece’s misgovernment, Europe has become the world’s leading producer of a toxic product — moral hazard.
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    It is said that, two decades after the end of Europe’s East-West political division, there is a North-South cultural division. But Ireland’s and, even more, Britain’s debt problems refute that distinction. Britain’s debt, Europe’s worst, is the result of increasing government spending from 37 percent of GDP to 53 percent in a decade. The London Spectator says no other European nation “has expanded its government as quickly — over this or any other decade in postwar history.”
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    The net result is that Europe’s Democratic Socialism is headed toward Bankruptcy. As Margaret Thatcher once said Socialism doesn’t work. Eventually you run out of other people’s money.
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    The U in the EU — the unifying thread — is indiscipline. Increasingly, it is also unfortunately the unifying characteristic of the USA.

  • 3xfire3

    If your comments were true than the NFIB would be whole heartedly supporting Obamacare. It is not for the reason I stated above in post 11.
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    Apparently you didn’t read the whole post.
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    Ricardo’s comments are correct. As usual you are wrong..
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    Also the post gives you some answers to some of the questions you asked. I must admit that your comments about me personally seem to show a lack of memory of answers I have given you in the past.

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
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    Since you cannot keep your facts straight, I will again come to your aid.
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    I went to a Vocational Co-Op High School were students worked 2 weeks and then went to school 2 weeks all year long their junior and senior years. My co-op job was in a factory where I worked for 2 years.
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    I joined the Navy after graduation in 1957. Saved my money for college. Was honorable discharged in 1961.
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    Returned home and lived with my parents for 4 years while I worked my way through college graduating in 1965. There was no GI bill available for people who served between 1957-1961. To late for the Korean Bill and too early for the Vietnam Bill.
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    Went to work for a large corporation in 1965 and was there for 9 years
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    Went to night school for 5 years and received a MBA degree with a major in Business Economics graduating in 1973.
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    Left the large corporation in 1974 and started my own business by selling my home and using the equity from the home and money I personally barrowed from a bank to finance the start up of my own business.
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    Please print this out so you stop making false statements about my background. There getting a little old.

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
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    Since you cannot keep your facts straight, I will again come to your aid.
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    I went to a Vocational Co-Op High School were students worked 2 weeks and then went to school 2 weeks all year round their junior and senior years. My co-op job was in a factory where I worked for 2 years.
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    I joined the Navy after graduation in 1957. Saved my money for college. Was honorable discharged in 1961.
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    Returned home and lived with my parents for 4 years while I worked my way through college graduating in 1965. There was no GI bill available for people who served between 1957-1961. To late for the Korean Bill and too early for the Vietnam Bill.
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    Went to work for a large corporation in 1965 and was there for 9 years
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    Went to night school for 6 years and received a MBA degree with a major in Business Economics graduating in 1973.
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    Left the large corporation in 1974 and started my own business by selling my home and using the equity from the home and money I personally barrowed from a bank to finance the start up of my own business.
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    Please print this out so you stop making false statements about my background. There getting a little old.

  • ricardo4max

    I just ignore patricksgator because, as exemplified by his juvenile remarks and personal attacks, he is incapable of debating honestly and logically. The louder the name calling, the more likely that my (and yours) argument is right on the money and the far left can only deflect, deny,obfuscate, and demagogue, and, of course, resort to personal attacks.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    So, by age 65 you had managed and owned a business for thirty years, not thirty five years since you have been retired for six years.
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    2004 – 1974 = 30 years.
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    Apparently your retirement is due in part to your losing the ability to so third grade math.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I just ignore patricksgator…can only deflect, deny,obfuscate, and demagogue, and, of course, resort to personal attacks.”
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    “Anything that goes against the “transformation” of this country into a socialist state by Obama, Soros and all the other far left radicals in the media, Hollywood, and education is ridiculed and demagogued by the press…”
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    I think this is the pot calling the kettle black here.
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    I am not sure why I would care one way or the other if you think that I am similar to one of the oldest and most successful species of animal, the alligator, but, you did the same thing to my name as I did to yours.
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    Tossing in Hollywood, which is bizarre since Fred Thompson, Reagan, Sonny Bono, Fred Grandy (Gopher from the Love Boat) and Charlton Heston are all Republicans.
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    I have no idea why you bring in George Soros when billionaires like Perot, T Boone Pickens and, of course, mercenary army owners/trust fund child of the vanity mirror Eric Prince were all supporting right wing causes for years.
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    Considering that the United States is, in terms of health care and most government services the most conservative country in the world, calling any of this “left wing” is bizarre.
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    Calling this “socialist” is, clearly not in line with any definition of socialism.
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    So, without the obfuscating, here is your statement:
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    “Anything that goes against the “transformation” of this country by Obama,is ridiculed..”
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    True, because you do not have any facts behind you comparing how well other countries are doing in terms of health care compared to the United States. No facts in a debate is like showing up to fencing match with no sword. It is amusing.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
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    You were, supposedly, when you were three years younger than I now am, starting this business, but do not realize that this is not 2014. It limits my confidence your abilities if you seem to be unaware of what year it is and what year you retired.
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    More importantly, your source of information is yourself.
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    Well, in that case I use this quote,”Universal Health care is the only way to go. The Republican Party does not represent small to mid sized business well. It is obvious because, even with the huge business community in NYC, it is harder to find a conservative than it is to find a nice place to go in Toledo, Ohio.” – Patrick Sartor, Swampland, May 17th, 2010.
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    That statement has as much credibility as yours does in 11.
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    However, since most small businesses are exempt, the vast majority of the NFIB members are neutral to HCR. It is the largest and most conservative of it’s members who support this.
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    Ivy, who, also, owns a small business is more familiar with NFIB than I am. She gave a good explanation for it’s opposition: it would interfere wth the NFIB’s ability to sell it’s own insurance and reduce it’s ranks occupied by businesses who are neutral to or disagree with the politics of the NFIB.
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    That is, so far, the best explanation.
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    “Patrick Sartor is the most knowledgeable person in the Swamp” – Patrick Sartor, in Swampland May 17, 2010.
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    (To be honest, Stuart and a few others really, really have many issues much better than I do.)

  • http://thebestshave.wordpress.com thebestshave

    It’s all very simple when you realize the NFIB is a marketing front for the Texas Mutual Insurance Company. The organization, while it purports to pool the interests of small business owners to get better group buys and to lobby on their behalf, exists only to sell insurance. It is very similar to the NASE (National Association for the Self Employed), which is also a marketing front for the insurance company Mega Life. (try googling this insurance company for the massive profits and consumer fraud over the years).

    So when you understand that the NFIB is a marketing front for an insurance company (and only really exists to help sell insurance), you can understand these lobbying efforts that negatively impact its own “members”.

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