Religious Leaders Press McCain on Immigration

What do you get when you put a rabbi, a mega-church pastor and two bishops together? Half of the Arizonan religious leaders that showed up on Capitol Hill today asking Senator McCain for some answers on immigration.

Bishop Minerva G. Carcaño, a bright-eyed Methodist leader who looked much more comfortable lobbying than many of her peers, emerged from the senator’s office and told the press that the group came to D.C. because they’re concerned about the controversial immigration law in their state and because they believe it’s gotten as far as it has — beyond the governor’s desk and to the brink of being implemented this July — because federal immigration laws are “broken.”

“We’re very concerned that what we’ve seen in Arizona is flooding over into other states,” Carcaño said, referencing similar laws, which allow (and in some cases require) police to check a person’s immigration status after any lawful stop, detention or arrest — and which opponents argue will lead to racial profiling. “It does nothing to help Arizona. It will do nothing to help those states.” Those states include places from Utah to Missouri, and their number currently hovers around 10. Supporters say that such laws, while perhaps confusing, are being dramatically misinterpreted and that immigration checks only kick in when another law is violated. Hence, the argument goes, racial profiling, at least at its wanton worst, would not be possible.

Bishop Gerald Frederick Kicanas took the mic next and set out roughly what the group feels is missing from current immigration laws. McCain had told them that his shift from a long-time champion of comprehensive immigration reform to supporting the divisive, border-centric Senate Bill 1070, was because of increases in danger — be it from drug trafficking or human trafficking — along the border. While many others have pointed out that political pressure applied by his right-wing primary challenger J.D. Hayworth is a more likely culprit, the bishop said he took McCain at his word. “We need to address these criminal elements,” Kicanas said. “But we need … policy that will provide legal entry for people who need to work and who we need to have as workers … People contend this is a call for amnesty. It is not a call for amnesty but a call for an earned pathway to citizenship for the 12 million people who are in this country without documents and who are now living in the shadows.”

The bishop addressed some of the contentions he has been hearing in his crusade against the law in his most recent Monday memo, a weekly online address. A few examples of arguments he’s come up against, as he laid them out: “You say these migrants and immigrants are not criminals, but they have broken the law. They are criminals. What part of ‘illegal’ don’t you understand?” “The Catholic Church is only interested in this issue to appease Hispanics who make up such a large percentage of the Catholic population.” “The Church and its bishops have no right to meddle in politics.” According to a poll released yesterday by the Pew Research Center, the Arizona public now supports the law; some measures, such as requiring people to provide documents proving their legal status if police ask them, was supported by more than 70% of respondents. Meanwhile, the nation remains split, 45-46, on their approval of the law. Jan Olav Flaaten, a leader of a multi-faith religious council, said that among leaders of his 18 represented denominations, including some Jewish and Muslim, everyone was “on the same page” in opposing the law, even if their flocks might be more divided.

Gary Kinnaman, the mega-church pastor and father of Christian pollster David Kinnaman, diplomatically described the meeting with McCain as “challenging” because “there are so many emotions about the issue.” He said he planned to talk to Hayworth, too. What would he say? “I would say the same thing that we said to Senator McCain, that we need people who will lead us out of this.”

Meanwhile Flaaten said Hayworth “isn’t a player.” He was also willing to admit that McCain’s position might have political motivations: “I’m not sure that it’s not just a lot of fear-mongering,” he said of McCain’s increased-border-violence justification. “We all kind of know what the political game is, so, yeah, it’s obviously part of what’s happening.” FBI reports have shown that the crime rates in many Arizona border towns, such as Yuma and Nogales, have remained flat over the past decade.

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  • Paul-no not that one

    “McCain had told them that his shift from a long-time champion of comprehensive immigration reform to supporting the divisive, border-centric Senate Bill 1070, was because of increases in danger — be it from drug trafficking or human trafficking — along the border….
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    FBI reports have shown that the crime rates in many Arizona border towns, such as Yuma and Nogales, have remained flat over the past decade.”
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    Interesting report, thanks.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    One thing I noticed that’s been utterly lost in the National level conversation is that the text of the law has been modified once aready since it was signed. The provision over what kind of contact was needed with police and the fact that an AZ D/L qualifies as an adequate ID has been updated since the controversy erupted.
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    The other problem with the debate though, is that everybody is assuming that the people affected will either be resident or illegal aliens. But nothing in the law precludes citizens from having to have the same level of documentation.
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    I wonder how my VI license will go over, or one from Puerto Rico….

  • newfreedomblog

    Is there a link to the FBI report? Ahhhh…..nope. But, here is the link to the rise in crime over all in Az, espcecially in the kidnapping which has made Phoenix the number 2 kidnapping capital of the world, right behind Mexico City. Imagine that, Mexico City. Where do most of the illegals in this country come from?
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    Imagine that!
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    “But there are other crimes, many of which are drug-related. Furthermore, illegal immigrants and smuggling organizations have been linked to some specific violent crimes in Arizona. Local officials frequently cite the rash of kidnappings in their state in defending the new law. The Department of Justice’s latest National Drug Threat Assessment says there were 267 kidnappings in Phoenix last year and 299 in 2008. The report said the victims usually have a connection to immigrant smuggling groups or drug traffickers.
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    The report also showed that assaults against U.S. law enforcement on the southwestern border are on the rise. The report found that the number of attacks on Border Patrol agents increased 46 percent to 1,097 incidents in fiscal 2008. The report said the assaults were mostly related to immigrant smuggling.”

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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/29/border-states-dealing-illegal-immigrant-crime-data-suggests/
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    In what officials caution is now a dangerous and even deadly crime wave, Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone.
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    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1
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    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/latinamerica/la-na-drug-kidnappings12-2009feb12,0,3279986,full.story

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Because immigrants tend to be young, male and less educated, there would be reason to expect a higher level of criminal activity, not a lower one, the report says. But the foreign-born accounted for 35 percent of California’s adult population and 17 percent of the adult prison population.”
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    http://immigration.lohudblogs.com/2009/06/24/fact-check-illegal-immigrants-and-crime/
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    “The researchers said that, although some crimes involving blacks and Latinos have been “sensationalized,” the overall crime statistics suggest that offenders preying on people of their own group is a much bigger problem and should remain the focus of police attention.”
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    http://articles.latimes.com/2007/sep/22/local/me-report22
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    As a general rule in criminology, ethnic groups and races commit a vast majority of the crimes against people who are a part of their own group.
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    So, if anybody, Latino citizens of Arizona and, more so, illegal immigrants from Mexico in Arizona are the ones who should fear this crime spree more than anybody else.
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    As a general rule, however, they have lower crime rates than nuts like you, rusty.
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    I know I wouldn’t trust you.
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    I, also, have to love it when conservatives turn on religious people if they disagree with them.

  • 3xfire3

    Strange how TIME Reporters and Liberals usually have no interest in what Religious Leaders have to say unless it happens to support one of their political view points.
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    The Hate Republican Liberals are piling on against John McCain. They can’t believe he has a right to modify his position on Immigration simply because of crime problems coming across the boarder. How dare he. Let’s find some data that appears to suggest crime is actually down in AZ. Yes that a good way to demonize him. Hold the press. We have an idea.
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    Can’t you Liberals ever allow a Republican to change his position on an issue without screaming liar? Democrats [Obama on many occasions] change their positions and all you do is make excuses for them and him.
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    Does Hypocrite ring a bell with you? It should because most of you wear it proudly on your arms like a Boy Scout marit badge.

  • edsahara

    Don’t worry Bishop Minerva, there are already half a million illegal aliens in AZ.

    That’s already far too many for the police, the National Guard and all of the military to deport.

    You have succeeded. AZ belongs to Mexico. You will soon have the other states, as they are too stupid to stop you.

  • 1bobpat

    I don’t know how people can be so blind to the world around them. This Country can not afford or support open borders because millions of people from all over the world want to come in on their terms and not our legal immigration rules. If we don’t control our borders we no longer exist as a Country and your kids will live in poverty and never know the promise of liberty.

    What is up with the voters in Arizona? McCain was the king pin in past amnesty efforts, without securing the border, and now he is lying about it. You have to be stuck on stupid to vote for him in the primary.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Was thinking along those same lines 3x. If these were religious organizations in favor of the law, the lefties would be all over them with their ridicule and indignation. Ole sacred, who cant resist a good snark when it comes to religion, would be in his glory. Dems have always been good at using religion when it’s to their advantage, ridiculing, demonizing, or just plain ignoring it when it’s not.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Time happens to have a reporter who writes about absolutely nothing EXCEPT religion and what Religious leaders have to say. But to acknowlege that would spoil the pity party.

  • kbanginmotown

    PD: Snap!

  • http://cordopolitin.wordpress.com cordopolitin

    Race is not the issue unless RACE is the only thing you see.

    50-100 BILLION yearly profit is (some think) worth protection or even murder or even ( Phillip Moris but much worse) Missinformation campain to take the heat off of the real issue.

    FOLLOW THE MONEY

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “The Hate Republican Liberals are piling on against John McCain.”
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    3X has a senior moment. Or he fails to proofread.
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    “Can’t you Liberals ever allow a Republican to change his position on an issue without screaming liar?”
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    I’m not sure what blog 3X is reading, but no Democrats or liberals here are calling McCain a liar. We are saying that he supports something unconstitutional.
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    “Dems have always been good at using religion when it’s to their advantage…”
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    Twothirdsbrain, you know that the last time there was a liberal social movement consistently backed by clergy it was the civil rights movement. Are you saying that is bad?
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    I just wish there were some reasonable statements to debate with.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “You have succeeded. AZ belongs to Mexico.”
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    How about Mexicans belong to Arizona?
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    Unless you are reading a different article than I did, it does not appear to be a military threat from Mexico in the least. It appears as if individuals are crossing the border illegally not to be Mexican, but to be American.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “If we don’t control our borders we no longer exist as a Country and your kids will live in poverty and never know the promise of liberty.”
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    Read your history books.
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    The Know Nothing Party was saying this about the Irish and Germans.
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    German is the biggest ethnic group among American born people and Irish is second. Guess what? Did America start speaking German? Did America start speaking Irish Gaelic? No, America grew and thrived.
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    The laws of our ancestors coming to America was this: If you have TB or one of a few other communicable diseases you must go home. If not, the police officer in the corner will give you a lecture on law and you take your oath of citizenship an hour later.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    That’s my concern. I’m worried about the 2nd, 3rd + generation Latinos in AZ wo naturally lack immigration paperwork because they are not immigrants and may not have birth certificates on hand. And even if they do, it seems illegal to require these people to carry ID with them at all times. The way I understand the law, if somebody is cited for violation of a city/township ordinance of failure to mow their lawn, their immigration status could be questioned. This could quite easily devolve into harassment of any and all Latinos in AZ. Then to top it off, AZ is now banning “ethnic studies” so students will get only the “white” European-American version of history and nothing else.

  • 3xfire3

    Holder hasn’t read Ariz. immigration bill.
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    In television interviews over the weekend, Attorney General Eric Holder warned that Arizona’s new anti-illegal immigration law could lead to racial profiling and might prompt Latinos to stop cooperating with police.
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    However, it emerged at a House hearing Thursday that Holder hasn’t actually read the statute.
    “I have not had a chance to. I’ve glanced at it. I have not read it,” Holder acknowledged in response to questions from Rep. Ted Poe (R-Texas).

    “It’s ten pages. It’s a lot shorter than the health care bill, which was 2,000 pages long. I’ll give you my copy of it, if you would like to — to have a copy,” Poe quipped during the House Judiciary Committee oversight hearing.
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    Unbelievable. Holder goes on TV several times and makes all kind of statements about problems with the AZ Immigration Law and hasn’t even bothered to read this 10 page law.
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    This is about as dumb as it gets. The head Legal person in the country runs off at the mouth and doesn’t take the time to read a 10 page law.
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    Hard to believe. If a Republican AG did this Liberals would be all over them saying how misguided Republicans are. I doubt we will here from any Democrats regarding Holders poor performance or stupidity.
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    I do expect some Liberals will make statements trying to defend Holder in this situation. Defending the indefenceable is not a very good practice. It only shows a lack of rational thought.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “If a Republican AG did this Liberals would be all over them saying how misguided Republicans are.”
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    Our second to last Republican AG, John Ashcroft in a Red State lost the election for governor to a Democrat who had already died.
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    I wouldn’t be comparing attorney generals if I were you 3X.
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    I am sure that in a blue state Holder could easily win over any dead person.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Mexico City. Where do most of the illegals in this country come from?”
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    More than 40% of the illegals in this country crossed the border legally and overstayed their visas. US-VISIT has biographic and travel info on these people. Why do I never hear Rusty suggest going after them?
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    Illegals generally come here for work. Why do I never hear Rusty talk about going after employers who employ illegals?
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    But continue to demonized the Hispanic population of this country as thugs and criminals, Rusty. Great PR for your GOP. I guess they’re you’re new “welfare Blacks”*.
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    * http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/01/10/california-bust/#comment-122301

  • http://the44diaries.com betsm

    erieangel I agree w/you. I also wonder if they will ask anyone that they stop for their papers. What about Italians who also are olive complexion. This is crazy because who carries anything other than a drivers license or a state ID with them.
    The problem is that AZ is becoming a police state. Don’t forget the Nazis and the Jews and what they did to them.

  • miscparty

    Teapartybell.com features this as one of the top ten articles under Immigration category.

  • robtemery

    I live along the border and really like to hear someone tell me what it is like here. Every night convicted murders, rapists, gang members or drug dealers are apprehended attempting to cross back into the US and those are the ones they catch. My neighbor installed a 6 ft chain link fence around his property, he grew tired of illegals peeking in his windows and stealing everything locked up. All these misguided bleeding hearts who never lived here should take them in and put their lives where their mouth is.

  • robtemery

    Christianity doesn’t have any business involved in political issues and presuming to speak for GOD nor take Biblical verses out of context to support a political agenda. Jesus said his kingdom was in Heaven and did NOT attempt to change law or demonstrate against the majority. The murder of Arizona rancher Rob Krentz by Illegals along the border and failure of the Government to enforce present immigration law and PROTECT the lives of American citizens prompted the Arizona law.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Christianity doesn’t have any business involved in political issues and presuming to speak for GOD nor take Biblical verses out of context to support a political agenda…”
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    That was what the “Christian” Knights of the Ku Klucks Klan used to say about Martin Luther King Jr if I am not mistaken.
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    (I am an atheist, myself, but, I know what Christianity is from my youth and know that the KKK is nothing like Christianity and, out of respect put the quotation marks around the word “Christian” for them.)
    Rob,
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    I’ve never seen you post before, but, if you do, then I will, probably, remember this post. So, I hope you, also, are unhappy if these same religious leaders support conservative causes.

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