John McCain No Longer “One Of Them”

A complete and utter embarrassment.

But the rest of the mainstream press will continue to treat these people as if they serious, won’t they?

“One of Us! One of Us!”

Now, where have I heard that before…yeah…

Michael, I thought this was McCain’s latest ad…
(yes, delicate flowers, there is really bad language here)

“It’ll work this time.”

What was the last time? Maginot Line?

…oops, embedding fails (wish I could tell before linking). Oh well, McCain’s GOML quote / point made.

a) He’s not the CIC
b) What’s between his cheek and gums for goshsakes?

What, in that he’s posturing? He’s pretending to support our laws and borders when we know that – like the Democrats and most Republican leaders – he’s actually on the other side?
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P.S. Click right here to read my Arizona page which lists just some of the many people who tried to lie to you about their law.

In a week, McCain will deny ever filming this ad.

Related to AZ / new I-law, Gov. Schwarzenegger joked while ripping the new law –
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/capitolalertlatest/2010/05/schwarzenegger-170.html#mi_rss=Capitol%20Alert

I have never seen a politician so blatantly flip flip for OBVIOUS political reasons. The man has no principles, and apparently no shame.

It’s not you, decon…I just posted a linky to a youtube clip from Tod Browning’s Freaks, no embed code or anything.

John will be re-elected and continue as a Senator and the great American Hero that he is.
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All you people on the left and the MSM can continue your lies, exaggerations and statements and video clips out of context, but you will not prevent this Patriot from being re-elected.
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All your name calling, personal attacks and demonizing of John McCain will do you no good. It will do him a great deal of good by encouraging Mainstream Americans to support him that much more. He will win by a landslide.

Why must every time someone criticize McCain, the first thing his proponents bring up is his military background. You guys on the right, take umbrage, rightly so in my view, of Obama supporters defending him by saying “he is the first black president”

The man will do anything to win, and SHAMEFULLY SO.

Let’s see the Palin pick was a desperate attempt to attract disaffected Hillary voters, at least Kay Bailey would not have been that Obvious.

He (and the press) always crowed about how he has worked across the aisle, and now he is proud to be a partisan.

He admirably worked with Kennedy on the immigration reform law and now he gets a case of amnesia and refuses to work with the administration on this issue, while Lindsay Graham (from a more conservative state) has.

The people of Arizona should kick him out not only because of his flip flops (GITMO, DADT) but because he has NOT been their senator. For the past decade or so he has been running for the presidency.

I just can’t wait till I see John McCain the sequel, who knows who he will be when he comes back to the Senate. I’m sure it will be a much different John McCain than the one we see now…and sadly a different one from the one we will see when he is up for re-election in six years.

He still had some integrity back when he ran against Bush in 2000, but a couple of years later he shrugged it off and took up residence underneath the oval office desk. Ironically, the Rethugs and teabaggers are stigmatizing him for some of the best things he did, such as reaching across the aisle. Bipartisanship? We can’t have that! But we reserve the right to snivel about Obama when he gives up stretching a hand to us so we can snap at it.

I was really hoping for a Gran Torino/Freaks mashup anyway.

I, for one, disagree with John McCain because of his embrace of conservative and centrist policies.
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I think that John McCain’s plan for health care reform, for example, that he proposed during the 2008 campaign, was woefully inadequate at best, counterproductive at worst.
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I don’t particularly care about McCain’s temper or military background, or other personal details about him, I think that the philosophy to which he subscribes, and the policies for which he advocates are dangerously flawed, and will do more harm than good to the country if enacted.
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I don’t need to attack the man’s integrity, because I think his positions are foolish, and speak for themselves. That he chose a dedicated rightist (that’s my only real criticism of her) like Sarah Palin speaks volumes about what he might do in office to effect rightist policy.
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In my mind, opposing John McCain’s presidential or senatorial candidacy is an expression of how much I care for my country, and how much I know about John McCain’s political-economic philosophy.

McCain has been wearing disguises so he will not look like a Senator. It works for him – perhaps anyone of HIspanic descent should try the idea. ……….

http://thefiresidepost.com/2010/05/01/legalmexican-disguises-to-avoid-arrest/

tstar,
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You have something against a person being a military hero?
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John stayed in a North Vietnam prison and under went terrible torture because he refused to be released without his fellow prisoners also being released. The North Vietnamese offered to release him because he was the son of a US Navy Admiral. John refused and was tortured that much more because the Vietnamese lost a propaganda opportunity. He still bares the disablement today of not being able to raise his arms above his shoulders.
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John McCain is a great American Hero. That is a fact. He deserves the respect of all Americans. It is a shame that so many Liberals are so full of hate for anyone who doesn’t agree with their views, that they would trash someone like John McCain.
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Disagree with him on his political views. Don’t denigrate this Hero.
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Being an American Hero is not the primary reason to elect McCain, but it is a reason to respect the man. He should be elected on the merits of his policies and the issues that he supports.
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He should not be demonized personally. Anyone who does that doesn’t deserve to be a citizen of our great country.

Read tsar again.
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There’s nothing in there denigrating McCain for his service. What is there is a complaint that every time someone tries to criticize McCain on the issues, he trots out his military service as a way of deflecting the criticism. (Much as you yourself just did.)
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Seriously, read tsar’s comment again. There’s no slam on his service, and frankly, there’s no anger — just a lot of disappointment with a man who’s gone from being a principled maverick to one of the more craven politicians out there. (And yes, that’s saying a lot.)
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I actually worked for the McCain campaign in the 2000 primaries. I don’t even recognize the man anymore, now that he’s pulled a 180 on virtually every issue he once championed. Sad.

“You have something against a person being a military hero?”
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No one is against McCain’s military service or him being a hero. But that’s not a get out of jail free card. Depite what Senator McCain went through he chose to be a Senator and he has chosen to run for President twice. The first time, he and his family were savaged on a personal level by his own party.
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Tastar’s obvious point is military service does not deflect him from criticism when he holding or running for a public office.

3x: You are saying John McCain must be respected because he was a military hero. Does that mean that no matter what he did after leaving the military he must not be criticized? Every criticism is disrespectful to his military service. As he goes forward disavowing all his purported beliefs, voters should remain silent because he was a hero.
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John Kennedy was considered a military hero, yet I would not agree with some of his policies. Would that make me disrespectful to his memory? I am sure General Lee was quite heroic but I sure can’t defend his support of slavery.
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The trouble with John McCain is he has no real beliefs.
If he didn’t cave to the North Vietnamese, he sure hasn’t carried that fortitude forward to his political life.
I find the posted ad particularly craven.

You know, I have no problem with enforcing immigration law — I actually think it’s necessary for the orderly running of a country. I don’t feel bad for people who hopped a border, over stayed a visa, etc. who are deported — regardless of color (there are plenty of illegal Irish immigrants here in Boston). And I’ve never bought into the Latino organizations, Mexican government and other groups who tell me illegals are “doing jobs Americans won’t do;” Plenty of Americans do construction, work in factories, run landscaping businesses, etc. After my father retired from IBM, he ran a contracting business and had to deal with what illegal immigrant labor was doing to the costs of running that business, so I’m familiar with how these issues play out in the real world.
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That said, I find the Arizona law silly because it basically substitutes racial profiling for actual enforcement. In other words, instead of actually going after the draws of illegal immigrants — businesses that exploit the cheap labor — it seeks to harrass a bunch of brown people in Arizona, regardless of which side of the border they were born.
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And I’m sure at some point in time, a version of John McCain would have opposed something this reactionary. I’d imagine it would have been the 2000 iteration — the one who was sandbagged in South Carolina for having a “black” daughter. This current character, under seige from reactionaries on the right (a victim of the genie he helped let out of the bottle with his selection of Sarah Palin), apparently doesn’t have the integrity to know that this and that “dang fence” are poor solutions to this problem.

Thanks Kevin and and gysgt

John McCain is a genuine war hero and alot of us could not possibly imagine the hell he went through. However, as others have said that does not give him a pass on outright lies , flip flops and so forth. And it really does cheapen his EARNED status by trotting out that line every time someone criticizes him.

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I make the parrallel with Obama, because there are some who choose to not to critique Obama because he is black, and based on my reading of the president he would NOT want it that way. Unlike M.C Michael Steele who said he finds his job “harder” because he is the first black GOP chairman, the president has never said that. When MLK said judge a man by the content of his character and NOT his color…that went both ways.

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Why do you think so many of McCain’s staffers..Weaver,McKinnon are disappointed in him? Even MS is disappointed (slightly, of course). You can only look back at the lavish adoration the press had for McCain. They were almost at pains to criticize McCain in fear of not being able to serve him donuts or ride on the back of the Straight talk Express or have BBQs at Sedona.

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So spare me the faux outrage 3X and please retire the “liberals hate the military” meme…it is really getting stale. Last time I checked it was a liberal that damn near tripled the amount of troops in Afghanistan.

“All you people on the left and the MSM can continue your lies, exaggerations and statements and video clips out of context, but you will not prevent this Patriot from being re-elected.”
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This was 100% clear and not out of context. It does not distort that he wants the fence finished and the national guard watching the borders. This has been a concept since the Reagan administration.
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“You have something against a person being a military hero?”
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So, 3X I guess you supported his personal friend and fellow war hero John Kerry since Kerry volunteered for a second tour of duty despite the political connections to get out of the first tour of duty and then risked his butt again by protesting against the war.
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If you were not, also, a John Kerry supporter, all of your things about McCain deserving unreserved respect for being a war hero is hypocrisy.
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Either you believe:
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A) All war heroes are too good to be criticized.
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B) War heroes may be criticized at any time except for about their proven bravery in war time or while in enemy captivity.
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If the answer is the reasonable one (B) then tell us exactly what part of the ad is a lie or unfair to McCain in any way.
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Remember the wise proverb:
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“Whenever you want to criticize a man walk a mile in shoes. That way when you do criticize him you are a mile away and you’ve already got his shoes.”
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SNl Stuart Smally aka now US Senator Al Frankin.

Le me be clear at the outset. Sen McCain is a war hero and he suffered terribly. The US has recognised that service. But once he entered politics he has, over time, made serious errors of judgement (Savings and Loan anyone?). He has used his contacts with the MSM to buy him softball interviews. His making Palin a VP contender showed him up as an opportunist big time. And his own people in Arizona are putting the boot in. No Progressive is attacking McCain: ask J.D.

So those who wax indignant about our “attacks” on McCain should check with JD. And his two travelling companions – Lieberman and Graham – haven’t helped, have they?

This is a joke.. McCain is the biggest PROGRESSIVE on the right.. to bad he didn’t listen to the people when they were telling him how they felt.. to bad he is another one of those he thinks he KNOWS better than the people.. time for him to go..

To paraphrase Zuzu, “Everytime Mac rings Scherer, an illegal gets tazed”?

3X,
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Following your logic, you would have supported both Douglas MacArthur and, Democrat, George B. McClellan in his campaign against Abraham Lincoln.
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Great military heroes are not always great political leaders.
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McClellan would have had us negotiate peace with the confederates and have had two separate countries including one with slavery (until proven unprofitable – it is hard to say if that would have been in 1910 or even by 2010).

I have no problem with anyone strongly disagreeing with McCain on political philosophy, policies etc. My point is that he does deserve respect for his wartime service to our country.
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I personally have a difficult time with personal attacks, and the demonizing of a person simply because they honestly have different political views than the one doing the personal attacks and demonizing.
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We live in a democracy where we have the right to disagree with other people’s political views. Those disagreements should not be expressed as hate or demonizing of our fellow citizens.
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I find some conservatives have very closed minds, but I find almost all Liberals have totally closed minds. Most Liberals appear to believe that anyone who doesn’t share their beliefs and political views must be evil and must some how be destroyed. Liberals appear to believe so strongly in the own views that they can not even consider the views of a non Liberal as worth discussing. Conservatives and Republicans are evil. Bad people.
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This inability to work with others, with different political views, is one of the major drawbacks Liberals have of ever achieving any long term political power in the USA. If you can’t work with other citizens, you will never be a major factor in our political system.

Patrick,
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My comments had nothing to do with the AD that is shown above as part of the article.

John McCain.A war hero in every sense of the word, a good man, but a lousy politician. Naieve/senile enough to think that he could please everyone, naieve/senile enough to think he could play nice and defeat a corrupt Chicago thug political machine. More integrity and love of country in his pinky than B. Hussein has in his entire body. That’s John McCain.

This inability to work with others, with different political views, is one of the major drawbacks Liberals have of ever achieving any long term political power in the USA. If you can’t work with other citizens, you will never be a major factor in our political system.
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I agree with your conclusion, but I’m absolutely baffled that you think liberals won’t work with conservatives, but that conservatives will work with liberals. What evidence exactly are you basing this on?
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Compare and contrast what liberals did with Bush and what conservatives did with Obama.
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Ted Kennedy — the “liberal lion” of the Senate — worked closely with the Bush administration on education reform, resulting in the No Child Left Behind Act; worked with McCain on immigration reform (which McCain later campaigned against); and even worked in the early stages on what became Medicare Part D.
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Have strong conservatives in the Senate done the same with Obama? No, of course not. McConnell and company decided that the best hope they had for their own political comeback — not the best hope for the country as a whole — was to say no to each and every thing the president proposed.
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There’s partisanship on both sides, but for you to say that liberals refuse to work with conservatives and conservatives happily work with liberals, sorry, that is not grounded in a single bit of fact.

I can’t access any article.
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I click John McCain or if I click 2010 it leads me to a screen showing articles and this post again.
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So, it is possible that there is a glitch, but, I do not see any article at all.
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You do have a habit of using the word “lie” like it is going out of style and have barely grasped how liberals in office have been as flexible as Gumby.
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The Democratic Party has several groups:
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1) Blue dogs who love to make deals with Republicans and are fiscally conservative and the reason why that our HCR is not at all like single payer as the majority of Democrats wanted.
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2) Pro-life/socially conservative Democrats. On social issues, we love to make deals with Republicans if they are there.
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3) Progressive Democrats are usually liberal in both parts and tend to be the hardest for Republicans to negotiate with, but, there is a huge amount of leeway.
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Republicans since the last of the Rockefeller Republicans in the 1980s, there are three groups:
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1) Qausi-libertarians. Occasionally there are agreements with Democrats with these people on social issues.
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2) Flexible Republicans such as John McCain was and Bob Dole was.
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3) Militant Republicans who want Democrats and all who vote for Democrats put in gas chambers.
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The Tea Party is most definitely a part of the third group.
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Independents rarely like that third group, but, within your party, they are growing.
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Republicans march in lockstep.
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Getting Democrats into agreement is like herding cats.

Conservatives and Republicans are evil. Bad people.
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Not most of them.
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But the ones who spent eight years calling me and people like me “a traitor” for not thinking that invading Iraq was a good idea — yeah, they’re bad people.

“…integrity and love of country…” + Sarah Palin. Does not compute.

Liberals appear to believe that anyone who doesn’t share their beliefs and political views must be evil and must some how be destroyed. Liberals appear to believe so strongly in the own views that they can not even consider the views of a non Liberal as worth discussing. Conservatives and Republicans are evil. Bad people.

Awfully broad brush you’re painting with, no? This from someone that considers himself open-minded too. Since you are a self-avowed conservative, you should stick to discussing that because you have demonstrated your complete and utter lack of knowledge of liberals and liberalism.

Blog fail. The above post was intended as a reply to 10.10.

“Liberals appear to believe so strongly in the own views that they can not even consider the views of a non Liberal as worth discussing. Conservatives and Republicans are evil. Bad people.”
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From the Liberal game show/talk show on NPR “Wait, Wait, don’t tell me” came this joke about six months ago;
“Democrats now have the majority in both houses and in the White House. The Republicans are in disarray without any clear leadership which is very distressing since the Democrats don’t know who to surrender to.”
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Ask anybody in the middle on left you’d be hard pressed to find one who is not compromising in one way or another with Republicans.

“One of Us?”
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…or…
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“That One!”

Is there any other free McCain stuff you want to hand out, Scherer? Any bumper stickers, or T shirts, or things like that?

Pickett’s Charge…

To tstar @ 10.3,
John McCain is a fake hero….I am a veteran from his era….he lost 5 Navy planes…. 3 were because of his total incompetence….don’t give us that CR**P about his wonderful service to his country….why don’t you tell us about how that scumbag dumped his faithful wife for the bimbo beer queen. I am so sick of hearing those on the right defending this poor excuse for a man.
Every word he utters is clearly for HIS advantage, NOT to the benefit of his constituents! “FLIP-FLOPPER of the DECADE” award goes to the pasty white guy!!!

The same comment that I gave in # 20 goes for you, as well!

I would respect McCain far more if he picked Sarah’s hairs out of his teeth.

Yes, McCain’s a Vietnam War hero. Nobody is disputing that. The thing is, we’ve heard it so much we’re simply of hearing it anymore. It’s as if some of you righties think that just because he’s a war hero McCain can do no wrong. But he’s done a lot wrong. Like flip flopping on the issues. Campaigning on his mavericky history in the Senate, then last month claiming he’s never considered himself a maverick. He’s a centrists, then he’s far right. Just where do McCain’s political views fall? I could never follow them, which is why I would never vote for him when he ran for President. Even if I’d ended up in ’08 with a choice between McCain and Hillary (whom I can’t stand) I’d have had to vote for Hillary because I can’t agree with political views I can’t understand, and that’s McCain in a nutshell–war hero or not. And I respect his history as a war hero even if it is 40+ yrs. old.

“b) What’s between his cheek and gums for goshsakes?”
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He likes to pretend that he’s Marlon Brando in the Godfather. He’s going to make us an offer we can’t refuse.

What hair? Grass doesn’t grow on a racetrack.

This conversation went right where I was desperately hoping it wouldn’t go.

“I, for one, disagree with John McCain because of his embrace of conservative and centrist policies.”
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Your full of BS. One can not be a Conservative and a Centrist all at one time. Well perhaps you can be a Centrist and a Liberal all at one time.
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John McCain is for John McCain, it is all about his ego, that is that. Fact is I think you and he are a great deal alike.

Well, let’s see. Joe Klein thinks that perhaps we need to stop Mirandizing people who are accused of terrorism. I would classify that as “conservative.”
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He also thinks that we shouldn’t go back and investigate the crimes committed during the Bush Administration. Conservatives would definitely agree with that.
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He was for immunizing the telecomms against prosecution for violating our privacy and violating FISA. He was with the conservatives on that one, too.
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And if you look waaaaaaaay back, Klein supported the invasion of Iraq.
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And I can’t think of a particular example right now, but I know I’ve heard of centrists discussing how the middle class needs to make sacrifices in these tough economic times.
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If you really want, go search through Balloon Juice for an infinite number of conservative ideas spouted off by Brooks, Broder, Cohen and Ignatius.
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So while centrists may not go along with the whole “Obama is a crypto-Muslim Marxist Kenyan” train of teabagger thought, they do embrace many conservative ideas (such as the expanded security and surveillance state).

Thank you for your service.

Abdullah and sacred, I’m sending you the repair bill for my laptop after I spit coffee all over the keyboard due to laughing at your posts.

Quoting myself:
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One of the problems with “Centrism” as currently practiced is that you end up with either the worst of both worlds or an absolutely incoherent and unprincipled position.
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To take an obvious example. Many liberals think that torturing prisoners is wrong and should be treated as a war crime pursuant to laws currently on the books in this country. Many conservatives think that torture is AOK because obviously anyone who ‘wants to kill us’ deserves every moment of agony that can be managed. Centrists on the other hand agree that torture is wrong and illegal but that nevertheless the people who actually did it should be rewarded for their service.M
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Not much in the way of moral clarity in THAT neighborhood….

utterly pathetic. I’m not even sure he remembers that he used to be for immigration reform.

“And I can’t think of a particular example right now, but I know I’ve heard of centrists discussing how the middle class needs to make sacrifices in these tough economic times.”
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I make $50,000 a year, my wife doesn’t work, and I make sacrifices all the time. What planet do you live on?
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You don’t like the war in Iraq, require everyone to serve, that will put the power in the people’s hand.

Stop the belly aching, if you are not invested, you do not care.

“Quoting myself:………Not much in the way of moral clarity in THAT neighborhood….”
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I am absolutely convinced that your moral character is far and above the rest of us, after all I have your belief on that.

Are you kidding? He’s keeping those for the shrine.

yes Bard, same here, except in my case it was a high priced, snooty Belgian ale…..

Ya know, I’m just waitin’ for one of these Teabaggers to just go ape-scat crazy. Why not guard towers to just hose down the short little brown people with automatic weapons? How ’bout a few hundred thousand anti-personel mines. Anything to prevent the ultimate apocolypse of your marginal tax rate going up by 3-4%. Really, that’s what this whole things all about anyway, ain’t it?

…come to think of it, they already are ape-scat crazy. Is there a metaphor beyond that?…

Raise my tax rate by 3-4% to help the illegals. If the Teabaggers ever get a lunatic like Palin voted into office we may need a safe place to live.

The comments above bash McCain which leaves me to believe that some of you think JD is worthy of your vote…again…did you forget what that blowhard did to us last time he was in office??? He left his seat vulnerable for Mitchell (dem) to take it over b/c of his lack of ethics in taking money from convicted criminal lobbyist Jack Abramoff. JD, the big spender in Congress, the big earmarker, the blowhard, the boozer, the most unintelligent member of Congress, does not deserve any votes, regardless of how much you dislike McCain…McCain is our best candidate.