Will the National Day of Prayer Hurt Obama?

Today is the National Day of Prayer, which by tradition is celebrated not with cake and balloons but with some attendant controversy. Just a few weeks ago, it looked as though the White House’s biggest problem regarding the day (first designated by Congress in 1952) was the fact that a federal judge ruled in April that the law directing the president to proclaim a National Day of Prayer violates the establishment clause and is therefore unconstitutional. The Obama administration immediately appealed the ruling. And it also tweaked this year’s proclamation subtly to address those concerns. Whereas last year’s proclamation “call[ed] upon Americans to pray in thanksgiving for our freedoms and blessings and to ask for God’s continued guidance, grace and protection for this land that we love,” this year’s document made room secularists as well as people of faith:

I call upon the citizens of our Nation to pray, or otherwise give thanks, in accordance with their own faiths and consciences, for our many freedoms and blessings, and I invite all people of faith to join me in asking for God’s continued guidance, grace, and protection as we meet the challenges before us. [emphasis mine]

Problem solved, right? Wrong. For one thing, the White House will have to wait and see how the appeals court rules. But in the meantime, it’s dealing with one very ticked-off Franklin Graham (son of Billy) who was invited–and then disinvited–to a Day of Prayer event at the Pentagon today. The evangelist’s invitation was rescinded after a wide range of religious critics complained that his participation would be inappropriate–particularly at a Pentagon event–in light of Graham’s references to Islam as “evil” and inferior to Judaism and Christianity.

From a political standpoint, the question for the administration should be not whether it was the right thing to disinvite Graham but why he was invited in the first place. His comments are both well-documented and well-known. Leaving him off the original list would have caused far fewer problems than inviting Graham to speak at the event and then withdrawing the invitation. Furthermore, if the administration was simply looking for a way to reach out to Graham, it didn’t need to give him a speaking slot at a Pentagon event. The White House could instead have invited him to be one of 70 or 80 Christian leaders who attended a post-Easter prayer breakfast at the White House in early April. The White House did not extend an invitation to Graham for that event.

A large part of the problem is that the Pentagon outsources the organization of its day of prayer event to the National Day of Prayer Task Force, a private group run by Shirley Dobson (wife of Focus on the Family Founder James Dobson). The Colorado-based task force is known for making its observance of the day a sectarian affair–it has, for example, prevented Mormons from participating because the task force does not consider them really Christian. It was the task force that chose Graham to be the honorary chair and main speaker for the Pentagon event. It’s not crazy to ask why a group that interprets the National Day of Prayer as the National Day of Evangelical Christian Prayer is in charge of organizing a federal agency’s observance of the day.

Not surprisingly, Graham is taking the opportunity to turn his snub into a grand cause. He declared Tuesday that if Obama did not intervene to reinstate his role in the Pentagon event, it would be “a slap in the face of all Christians.” Obama did not take any action, and today, Graham went further, warning that this affair could cost Obama “millions” of evangelical votes in 2012.

Well. A few comments on that: Graham is misreading the extent to which his views about Islam are shared by his fellow believers if he thinks his disinvitation will be interpreted as “a slap in the face of all Christians.” A 2007 Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life poll did find that white evangelical Christians were most likely (57%) to hold unfavorable views of Muslims. But it found that Christians as a whole were more tolerant–60% of Protestants and 70% of Catholics either expressed favorable views or no opinion of Muslims.

As for the possibility that Obama could suffer from evangelical buyer’s remorse in 2012, the evidence is thin. Obama did improve upon John Kerry’s support from white evangelical voters in 2008, but not by much–Obama won 24% to Kerry’s 21%. It’s a good bet that the Venn Diagram of evangelicals who voted for Obama and share Graham’s beliefs about Islam is fairly small.

Still, Graham and others have argued that evangelicals who had hoped that Obama understood their values find themselves disappointed with the policies he has pursued. Evangelical disillusionment did turn out to be a significant problem for Jimmy Carter in 1980, as those who had supported him in the previous election abandoned him in droves. But the two cases are not parallel. Carter relied on a much higher percentage of the white evangelical vote to reach the White House than Obama did–the Georgian won 48% in 1976. And they weren’t all liberal and moderate evangelicals. Pat Robertson and Tim LaHaye both strongly supported Carter’s first campaign and gave him legitimacy through evangelical and fundamentalists circles. It perhaps bears mentioning that Franklin Graham did not exactly campaign for Obama in 2008.

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  • sacredh

    Oh no! Obama’s going to lose the millions of evangelicals that didn’t vote for him the first time? Meh.

  • sacredh

    “Not surprisingly, Graham is taking the opportunity to turn his snub into a grand cause. He declared Tuesday that if Obama did not intervene to reinstate his role in the Pentagon event, it would be “a slap in the face of all Christians.” Obama did not take any action, and today, Graham went further, warning that this affair could cost Obama “millions” of evangelical votes in 2012.”
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    Franklin sure does have an over-inflated of his place in the world. Who died and made him God?

  • 53_3

    “Who died and made him God?”
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    His dad. That is, except for one teensy little detail…

  • deconstructiva

    They forgot to check with God first? Actually I thought Lloyd Blankfein was doing God’s work. He needed to be consulted too.

  • nflfoghorn

    DARN IT, 53!!! You beat me to it!

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I’d be far more interested in this article if it contained some mention of the utter absurdity of the whole notion of a “National Day Of Prayer”. If some ecumenical council wants to call on me to pray, I’d cheerfully ignore them as I do on every other day of the year. I don’t want my president calling on me to pray, whatever words are tacked on to mitigate that puerile religiosity.
    *
    Graham’s references to Islam as “evil” and inferior to Judaism and Christianity.
    Yes. I’m sure Frankie shares his pappy’s well documented high regard for the Jewish faith.
    *
    the Pentagon outsources the organization of its day of prayer event to the National Day of Prayer Task Force, a private group run by Shirley Dobson (wife of Focus on the Family Founder James Dobson).
    Sickening
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    As for the possibility that Obama could suffer from evangelical buyer’s remorse in 2012, the evidence is thin.
    Precisely. So the point of this post is….?
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    Evangelical disillusionment did turn out to be a significant problem for Jimmy Carter in 1980,
    Oh god. No pun intended. We’re back to looking at thirty year old statistics to explain how Obama is doomed? Will your next post be about how Obama can’t win the primary/general because of “Reagan Democrats”?

  • Friar Tuck

    Jack Ruby?

  • 53_3

    I’m sorry, foghorn!
    .
    It was just that this particular one was hanging way, way, way down there.
    .
    I had to yoink that puppy! I jist had to…

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, Amy. Please post more often, where ya been lately? Are you now on maternity leave? After today’s market stories and immigration / Cinco posts we can use a different topic. I don’t think Franklin speaks for all Christians, but how can he say Islam is inferior to Judaism and Christianity when all three share the same God? Not to mention all three religions have had their wars and intolerances and other crap, but I digress. Thanks for including polls and links to add more context here. Do you have more thoughts for us, esp. on Lloyd Blankfein’s “work” and other rogues? I’d appreciate it.

  • nflfoghorn

    Maybe Franklin wants Muslims to point southeast towards Boone, NC to pray instead of east to Mecca.

  • Friar Tuck

    Still, Graham and others have argued that evangelicals who had hoped that Obama understood their values find themselves disappointed with the policies he has pursued.
    .
    Which evangelicals? I’m going to be nice this time and not use scare quotes, but I think you made this up.

  • nflfoghorn

    Evangelicals have it in for Jews, Muslims, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Mormons, Wiccans, friends of the earth and those who don’t believe they were created by something they can’t see. How many of them are left now – 12?

  • lepidusxvi

    Did you even read what you quoted? Amy was clearly poking holes in the theory that this will hurt him and Graham’s argument.
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    In other words, you agree. I know this is the Internet and people are expected to argue, but come on…

  • nflfoghorn

    53, all is forgiven – welcome to the club.

  • 53_3

    Has anyone yet pointed out yet that Obama spoke out in support of the National Day of Prayer?
    .
    Oh, well..

  • bobcn1

    I saw the title and was all set to go off on Amy for this post. But, after reading it, I have to say it’s very informative. Kudos!

    ‘Still, Graham and others have argued that evangelicals who had hoped that Obama understood their values find themselves disappointed with the policies he has pursued.’

    Is it really ‘understanding’ that they’re looking for? Isn’t this group more interested in just getting their way? Also, is there any evidence that Graham and the evangelicals on his side of the political spectrum are making attempts to ‘understand’ other religious groups (particularly Islam)?

    Getting back to the title, I don’t think Obama will be ‘hurt’ by the National Day of Prayer at all if people spend it contemplating the meaning of the Sermon on the Mount. He’ll be just fine.

  • Friar Tuck

    It was certainly not one of his better decisions.
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    It would suck a lot more if it was about something that really mattered.

  • nflfoghorn

    To answer the question: No, this won’t hurt BO. I think he understands that we worship in freedom and we should pray in freedom. People who can’t understand our nation’s diversity need the help, not him. Do I think any less of my brother because he practices Islam and I’m Baptist?

  • 53_3

    I’m waiting for snarly crackpots to arrive. I’m certain they will contribute more than a little fire and brimstone.
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    Maybe they’ll convince God to toast Obama’s heart on a stick…

  • nflfoghorn

    Heck, Nancy was playing with Ouija [wee-gee] boards in the White House! Didn’t seem to hurt her husband’s well-carved image.

  • nflfoghorn

    Throw in gay people and we’re down to nine….

  • 53_3

    Obama’s biggest problem is that he has no room to maneuver. He’s the first president I’ve ever known that has to juggle chainsaws while bungee jumping from a Cessna 172 over a freshly erupted lava flow while holding a conversation with his wife and reassuring the nation that his heart is in the right place.
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    And accomplishing that will only earn him scattered, listless applause…

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @lepidus
    So what’s the point of the post? and the title?
    Will the National Day of Prayer Hurt Obama?
    To amplify the whining of a marginal crank, and generate ‘controversy’
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    As for the possibility that Obama could suffer from evangelical buyer’s remorse in 2012, the evidence is thin.
    One paragraph that undermines the rest of the posts, followed by:
    Still,…
    *
    and then she goes on to prattle about Carter? Just because a pompous twit with a Bible and a famous father whines about something most Americans don’t care about, she doesn’t have to give him an echo chamber.
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    I’d like to know what percentage of the American electorate A) knows B) cares that today is a NDoP.

  • 53_3

    Make that eight.
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    You know how they feel about Evolution and science…

  • bobcn1

    “You can safely assume that you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.” — Anne Lamott

  • nflfoghorn

    “Heavenly Father, I ask that thou curseth thy evil black President and smite him with a force so great that thou maketh him change skin complexion”

  • nflfoghorn

    Oh right – the 5000-year-old Earth crowd.

  • apr2563

    Franklin learned his bigotry from daddy’s knee. He must of heard the anti-semetic chuckles that Billy shared with Nixon.
    Also, this means more money for his collection baskets. It takes a lot of money to keep those evangelical preachers living in the style they feel is their right.

  • 53_3

    c’mon guys, you’re about as Rosie O’Donnell in The Texas Chainsaw Masscre.
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    Where’s earljr1 or Rusty when you need ‘em…

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Point of comparison: John Boehner got something called a “Henry Hyde award” the other night. Where’s the five hundred word post examining how, even whether, this will hurt Republicans with pro-choice voters?

  • apr2563

    Thanks Amy for the context of your reporting.

  • 53_3

    …convincing as…

  • nflfoghorn

    Fitty: Rosie’s more Freddy Kruegger to me :)

  • apr2563

    I liked it better when they openly hated Catholics. However, they need Catholics to bolster their anti-choice charade. They need Jews, who they secretly still hate, to fulfill that armageddon thing.
    .
    When I was a kid, their kids used to call us catlickers among more nasty names. One time they came to our house to prostelyze and found us on Christmas eve playing cards and the adults drinking. They were horrified. My cousin Al, who weighed about 300 pounds, came out of the bathroom in his boxers and chased them accross the yard.
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    No longer a practicing Catholic because I became disenchanted with all religious bigotry, I still have a particular disdain for Evangelicals. For one thing, they are no fun.

  • 53_3

    She is pretty fearsome in her own right, but just not in a bloody chunks flying chainsaw hang ‘em on hooks sort of way.
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    She’s more like Barney the Purple Dinosaur in a fit of rage…

  • deconstructiva

    Is Rusty afraid of lovely Amy? He rarely disparages her while he constantly trashes all the other present / past swampwomen …while he only calls Joe a hack and similar easing up on the swampmen. Maybe even he knows not to mess around with a senior editor with angelic superpowers and a degree from the Harvard Divinity School. I wonder if Amy ever got her doctorate.

  • textee

    In Obama’s shout-out to the atheist left, he says: “I call upon the citizens of our Nation to pray, or otherwise give thanks, ….”

    To what do the atheist left and pagan left “give thanks”?

    Dirt? Hydrogen? Ivory-billed woodpeckers?

  • 53_3

    apr:
    .
    They are as persistent as flies, too…

  • 53_3

    Well, I did see a woodpecker out here the other day relentlessly pecking one of those metal dish antennas on the roofs.
    .
    Bbbbbbrrrrraaaaap! Bbbbbbrrrrrraaaaaap!
    Brrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaap!
    .
    I had wondered what that sound was…

  • 53_3

    I hadn’t noticed. I’m going to keep an eye out, now that you mention it. i remember that he has said a few things that left him hanging high above that lake of chauvinism, as the branch cracks.
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    Speaking of swampwomen, I miss demwoman. We ought to have a NDoPiracy for her.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “To what do the atheist left and pagan left ‘give thanks’?”
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    As a proud member of the pagan-a[gnostic] left, I’m genuinely grateful that an ocean separates me from American fundamentalists.

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Here’s some further context on Graham and his stunt:
    [Graham] came anyway, arriving in the Pentagon parking lot just before 8 a.m. EDT – his party of a half dozen people forming a circle on the sidewalk and praying.
    [...]
    Then the group walked to the Pentagon’s Sept. 11 memorial roughly a couple of hundred feet away, where media had gathered because it’s one of the few places were cameras are allowed on the Pentagon property. There, Graham held a news conference that lasted nearly twice as long as the prayer.

    *
    and some contest on NDoP that might help answer Amy’s very fair and balanced question in the title:
    While Graham spoke outside, some 80 people attended a service inside the Pentagon that included Roman Catholic, Jewish, Muslim and Protestant chaplains.

    Teh Google tells me that more than 25,000 people work in the Pentagon.
    25,000:80:6
    NDoP is clearly going to be a huge issue in 2012.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “The Fallen Nature of All People, Especially Homophobic Demogogues Employing Gay Prostitutes”
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    “It’s so cool to see the labyrinthian webs they weave when right-wing hate-mongers get caught in their own slimy hypocrisies. First, George Rekers, who co-founded the homophobic Family Research Council, takes a ten-day European vacation with a gay prostitute he hired from the supremely raunchy Rent-Boy because he needed help carrying his luggage. Now the head of the Council responds to the story with “George who?” and “we all fall down.” Way to go using the Bible to justify anything:
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    “While we are extremely disappointed when any Christian leader engages in the very activities that they “preach” against, it is not surprising. The Scriptures clearly teach the fallen nature of all people. We each have a choice to act upon that nature or accept the forgiveness offered by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.” – Family Research Council president Tony Perkins, presumably not the same one who was so scarily convincing in “Psycho.”
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    http://www.commondreams.org/further/2010/05/05-2

  • bobcn1

    “….the Pentagon outsources the organization of its day of prayer event to the National Day of Prayer Task Force, a private group run by Shirley Dobson (wife of Focus on the Family Founder James Dobson).”
    .
    If Shirley Dobson has been doing a poor job, maybe they should see if they can replace her with Focus on the Family co-founder George Reckers. Now that he’s back from his European vacation with the gay escort that he hired from rentboy.com, he’s probably available (link). I doubt if he’s as busy campaigning against homosexuals as he used to be.

  • bobcn1

    Seriously, why is Obama allowing the pentagon to outsource ANYTHING to an organization with ties to Focus on the Family? That, and the unhealthy domination of the Air Force Academy by evangelical extremists needs to be stopped.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Whew -It’s posts like this that make me so glad baseball season is going.
    .
    jcapan-going to see your Orioles tomorrow. Unless the game is snowed out of course.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    What’s this, chopped liver?
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    http://www.talklikeapirate.com/

  • formerlyjames

    Franklin Graham suffers from a delusion that he possesses the influence of his father. Part of that influence is derived from not having used his pulpit for political crusades and not having engaged in cheap public display. The punk son has no class.

  • apr2563

    Sorry, Billy was very political. He just didn’t let everyone know. He was also a bigot. He was anti-semetic, paid no part in the civil rights movement, and kept his closest counsel with Reps.

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    One might even say there’s a better story in that buried lede. I’ve looked at a couple of posts on this, and neither the MSM nor the blogs mention the Dobson connection to all this. Even leaving aside the curious connection to partisan fringe outfit like the Dobson mob: Why does the office of the Pentagon Chaplain need to “outsource” a gathering for 80 people? I could put together a gathering that size, I could even cater it myself.
    *
    It’s almost as if AS were trawling for hits and comments with that nonsensical headline as she strained to make this into a story about presidential politics.
    O, Politico, your pernicious influence is everywhere!

  • apr2563

    correction: should be played no part. This was a time when many clergy were marching with MLK.

  • Art Pepper

    “Carry my luggage” is the new “Hiking the Appalachian Trail.”

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “To what do the atheist left and pagan left “give thanks”?”
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    We thank our fellow man that we no longer have people like George W Bush speaking for his God to ruin the economy and to attack extra countries to help him get re-elected.
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    I don’t know any pagans. I never met one.

  • formerlyjames

    apr, I guess not letting everyone know is the basis of what I was saying more than the fact of what his prejudices and voodoo beliefs are. Personally, I can’t abide any religion, but especially those that actively muck about in government and politics as most these days do. Billy was courted by every President in my life time. I watched his religious crusades (religion is a spectator sport with me) and was never offended by what he said. I am happy with religionists keeping out of my secular government or at least keeping their cult beliefs private. Even Obama comes closer to crossing my line than Billy did. But I understand your point.

  • sacredh

    Nobody has said it yet and it’s hanging over us like a thundercloud. I’ll take one for the team.

    This is good news for the McCain campaign.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I liked it better when they openly hated Catholics.”
    .
    At least they were more honest about it decades ago.
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    I was wondering, having been raised Catholic with all of the other Catholic holy days like Ash Wednesday, the feast of the Immaculate Conception and the feast of the Assumption (which is the day Catholics all take a guess what’s for dinner and presume that it is correct) that I never heard of this day before. In 1952 Catholics were not considered “real” Christians despite being the only Christians for the first thousand and half years of Christianity.
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    “I still have a particular disdain for Evangelicals. For one thing, they are no fun.”
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    Their eleventh commandment is “Thy Shalt Not be interesting.”

    As for my own break with religion, it was because I noticed that when people talked about “miracles” it seemed as if there was a god specially tuned to suburban white kids winning football games but prayers from elsewhere, especially the Third World seemed to be in a bad reception area. It’s like if there really was a god, his satellite reception over Africa has been broken for a few centuries and, I guess some solar flare cut reception during the Holocaust.

  • kevin

    It was a low-hanging curve, but nice job hitting it all the same.

  • bobcn1

    Or, as Colbert put it, “handle my bag”.

  • deconstructiva

    McCain’s still running for ’08? But good job noticing this, sacred. However, if we matched Franklin Graham’s divine superpowers vs. Amy’s, even if Sarah Palin’s witch doctor helped out Graham’s team, Amy would still win.

  • ruben40

    Obama will lose all of those people who are praying for him to die. It seems their prayers have not been answered.

  • ruben40

    All the people who claim to be holier than me are the lunatics who have secret lives. Anyone who tries to impose their beliefs on someone else just to manipulate them are the ones who desperately want churches to have political power. Just like the Vatican which is an organization of men who collect donations from their franchises around the world so that they can be lazy and not work. Anyone who gives everything including their selves to a church I consider a lunatic or mentally unstable. I believe in God but I do not believe in a man talking to me about God. Men are the worst creations on earth they care more about money than God or this planet.

  • sacredh

    Refardless of if we like Billy or not, I think that everyone would agree that Franklin will never be half the man that his father is. Not the respect. Not the influence. Not the following. He’s a shadow and he knows it.

  • gysgt213

    Amy-Did molesting children hurt the Catholic Church? Did being caught with a gay hooker hurt a prominent anti-gay activist who co-founded the conservative Family Research Council hurt the Christian movement?.
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    Now I know I will probably be accused of taking cheap shots with these questions. But you know, I don’t ever remember seeing you address them. At all. And before you worry about Obama offending these people, you need to worry about and address their leadership.

  • Cliff

    Well, we don’t get ivory-billed woodpeckers here in Phoenix so I have to stick to saguaro cacti and cicadas.
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    Hydrogen is a good one though – it keeps us warm and provides the building block for all other non-dark matter in the universe!

  • Cliff

    I love that Amy is silent for a month, and then rousts herself out of bed to write a few hundred words of concern-trollery for Obama.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Wow!
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    You’re so much more negative than I will ever be.
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    I think of priests and clergy, for the most part, as decent enough people who spend an unimaginably long part of their life talking to the ceiling.

  • lepidusxvi

    Jim: You’re correct that some people will just read the headline and jump to a conclusion, but you did the same thing. I prefer to read an entire article before coming to conclusions about what it means.
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    Fact is, someone is out there accusing Obama of wrongdoing…. This post on a political blog fact checks those claims.
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    So why attack the author if you agree with her conclusions?

  • gysgt213

    Cliff-Its amazing isn’t it. It almost as if Obama has presented himself some type of reglious leader. Mean while Amy is silent on all the sexually active reglious leaders.

  • Cliff

    Maybe because fundamentalist Christians bangin’ dudes is old news?
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    I know I was like “Big deal, show me a evangelist preacher who HASN’T f–ked twenty guys in the back seat of a Cadillac.”
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    (Of course, that still doesn’t make sense as this National Day of Prayer nonsense isn’t news either.)

  • sue_n

    As a practicing Catholic, I don’t understand why we even have a national day of prayer. Either you pray or you don’t. If prayer is important to you, you don’t (or shouldn’t) need an “official” day to remind you to pray. If prayer or religion isn’t your thing, then it’s, you know, Thursday. Hell, except for all the hoopla, I wouldn’t even know when the NDoP is!
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    It just seems to me like another excuse for Christians to impress upon the world how special we are. Or to b!tch and moan when the world doesn’t recognize our specialness. We want to have our cake and eat it too – we want everyone to see how very very important we are (“don’t mess with us or we won’t vote for you”) AND how very very persecuted we are (“OMG, they’re all out to get us!”). And the evangelicals are the worst of the lot. (Could we retire the so-called, non-existent War on Christmas, please?)
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    We’re not persecuted in this country. We don’t know what persecution is. We’re pampered and pandered to shamelessly, and all it has done is turn us into a bunch of whiners that no one takes seriously. The biggest “threat” to Christianity today, true Christianity, is Christians. I’m one, and even I can’t take us seriously.
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    So to Franklin Graham, Shirley Dobson and others of that ilk, come down off the cross. Somebody somewhere needs the wood.

  • Joe Bftsplk

    Well, I’ll be dadgum (don’t worry — runs in the family, but we get over it quickly).
    I even used the search tool to be sure, but there’s not one instance of the word “abortion” in this entire post.
    Whaddaya think, guys — merely amazing coincidence, or does it rise to miracle status?

  • 53_3

    Tethys?
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    Sorry jcapan, you’re 30,000,000 years late…

  • 53_3

    Actually, on a more serious note, you can count yourself very lucky that you’ve got the largest of the oceans on the planet as protective moat.
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    But just wait. Crawling your way at the rate fingernails grow, we are relentlessly closing that distance. Sooner or later…
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    About 70,000,000 years.

  • 53_3

    How about dirty hydrogen-filled woodpeckers?

  • deconstructiva

    Alas, I think you’re right. I’m scanning Amy’s archives now and not yet finding these topics. Strictly imho, I think her best work does NOT appear here. She’s written moving TIME stories, such as pregnant teen girls in foster care, Detroit’s last Catholic high school, and Therese Borchard interview on depression …but none are posted / linked here (and I’ve asked before). Other reporters are doing this more, e.g., Kate wrote stories NOT linked here such as a recent failed Russian adoption. Then again, I went back and read Amy’s first post here. The first comments to her… wow. At least your first comment was nice (c. 64).

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    or John Edwards’ sex life! So Amy Sullivan now has three topics that she can blog on. You can see why they brought her in.

  • 53_3

    Well, I’ll be a two bit tin pan hornswoggled varmint ifn’ you ain’t right!
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    JF (just funnin’) = LOL
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    But, hells bells, you blew it. You wrote it. Now you gone and done it, dag nabbit!
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    slap
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    Uh, ok. Back to reality. It’s a miracle. Won’t happen twice…

  • mstruck30

    He told these lemmings that this was not a christian nation when he was elected!! Obviously, he thinks he is a messiah!! More like it, he’s a mess!

    He went to Billy Grahams home only to get signed bibles as a souvenir just like he did when he did his worldwide tour at our expense! His son should have refused him entry!!

    I am so sick of muslims, and getting a little weary with illegals period!

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    I am a little sad about Graham’s little tizzy. No, it will not be a slap in the face of anyone if he is not re-invited to the pentagon for this or any other events.
    What possessed Franklin Graham to make this sort of dramatic declaration. He is not my spokesman even though I am a devoted Christian.

    I am an Independent and voted Obama because he was the best choice. I love Graham’s commitment and his sermons but even though I am a Christian and conservative on some issues, Graham’s absence from the event will not prevent me from voting for Obama again in 2012.

    It is what it is and Obama is not exactly the epitome of “faith” presidency. Not that I care these days after all Bush claimed he was Christian and yet we slaughtered so many people abroad and tortured others without batting an eyelid.

    I think Christianity is deeply personal and should encourage people to think for themselves. Graham is not the spokesman for all Christians and Christians should steer clear of politicking our faith.

    Franklin needs to take a leaf from his fathers cool approach to these sorts of things. There are times which call for words and exchanges, this is NOT one of those times. :)

    LM

    http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/network-security-criminals-can-crash-planes/

    http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/2010/05/01/fully-support-gun-ownership-and-pity-women-who-do-not/

  • mstruck30

    Hello all you haters..its a free country and Graham can do what he wants!! bama has his way, we’ll all have our butts turned up in the air facing mecca!!

    Go take your meds, its getting late!

  • mstruck30

    He will not be in the white house 2012!! Maybe one he painted white in Kenya!

  • Cliff

    I can’t tell if this is a joke post or not.

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    This cliff troll is still crawling around this site. How disgusting.

    LM
    http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/network-security-criminals-can-crash-planes/

  • 53_3

    Who is that masked man?

  • 53_3

    “…we’ll all have our butts turned up in the air facing mecca!!”
    .
    Would someone tell him that they pray with their butts facing away from Mecca?

  • zaolaminin

    Franklin Graham honors God who blessed you and me to live in this land. I fear for those who do not set their hearts to honor him (read Malachi 2 and learn). Thomas Jefferson said “I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice annot sleep forever. ” You can speak ill of Graham publicly but I pray inside you will think of his great love for you that wants you to have your name also written in heaven–as hell is real and we wish it on no-one.

  • 53_3

    After seeing his next two posts, it’s not a joke.
    .
    But damn! Can’t they do something original with their tripe, for a change?

  • destor23

    I think it’s pathetic that TIme is treating a non-issue so seriously.

  • 53_3

    zaolaminin:
    .
    You do know that the 10 Commandants were written in stone, don’t you.
    .
    I’m no theologian, but a very, very good guess would be that there are no exceptions.
    .
    Even for Franklin.
    .
    Or you…

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    Reply to Zolaiminn etc.

    That quote was interesting but Christians know that Hell was made for some people. Eve Sharon Moore of the website http://www.akbarshabazz.com will rot in hell for the violent acts of criminality she continues to commit against innocent folks living their own lives.

    Some people will be in hell and are in hell. She will be one of those folks. Vile vomit of a rhinoceros pig!

    LM
    http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/network-security-criminals-can-crash-planes/

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I find this paragraph significantly more troubling than any of the stuff about Obama OR Graham……

    A large part of the problem is that the Pentagon outsources the organization of its day of prayer event to the National Day of Prayer Task Force, a private group run by Shirley Dobson (wife of Focus on the Family Founder James Dobson).

  • zaolaminin

    I think you might want to read Jude 14-16. George Washington issued a National Day of Thanksgiving where he said “It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor”. Those are noble reasons wouldn’t you agree with him? Or have so many us found we no longer need God? I pray he will heal your pain and anger. May the Lord bless you and shine his face upon.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Oh my. I like this.
    .
    The only thing I’d like to add is that I always felt [insert religious group here] wore their beliefs on their sleeves, or otherwise put it out there for all to see – among other forms of obnoxiousness – because they were weak in their beliefs. They need all of the reinforcement that they can get to keep them on the straight path. The slightest jostle, and they’d fall off the wagon, so to speak. Otherwise, why should they care if I don’t share their beliefs? As long as I’m not interfering with their observations, they should be happy. Do my alternate views cause them to doubt their own?
    .
    Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were perfectly content to keep their beliefs to themselves – where they belong. I agree with them.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    @19.3: The same could be said for a lot of people. Like McCain.

  • zaolaminin

    To Mr. Nice Guy–Thomas Jefferson in 1774 personally introduced a resolution calling for a Day of Prayer and Fastin while serving in the Virginia Assembly. In 1803 Pres. Jefferson also recommended that Congress pass a treaty which invluded annual support to a Catholic missionary priest of $100 to be paid out of the Federal Treasury. Also Ben Franklin at age 81 delivered a powerful speech on June 28,1787 to the 55 delegates attending the Convention which he ended saying “I therefore beg leave to move-that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven and its blessing, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business.” They knew the value of prayer–God heard them and helped them form this great nation you are so blessed to live in. I hope you will claim Matthew 7:7 and bless you and your family forever.

  • kbanginmotown

    @53: re: demwoman
    .
    Fortunately, we said goodbye to Pirate Wench in a truly memorable fashion…
    ,
    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/09/19/underplayed-story-of-the-day-acne-could-make-you-uninsurable/#comments

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “Tethys?”
    .
    Nope, given my geography, the far more pedestrian Shintoism. We who venerate stone, tree, mountain, foxes… My wedding vows included. Fits perfectly with my naturalist tree-huggy tendencies.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “handle my bag”
    .
    Big smile. I’m a “bag handler”
    .
    I miss Colbert–wish I could get into watching tv online.

  • zaolaminin

    Benjamin Franklin is such an awesome example of faith and politics. At the age of 81 he was the President(Governor) of Pennsylvania and he spoke to the rest of the 55 delegates attending the Constitutional Convention. I pray you will read his entire speech but here is a portion of it:
    We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that “except the Lord build the Houose, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the Builders of Babel.” He ended it with request that they prayed every morning before they started. He was much wiser than you and I and I hope we can learn from him before it is too late. May God bless you with wisdom.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    They also argued for the Separation of Church and State, recognizing the volatile combination of the two, and publicly and privately wrote that they believed that a person’s religious beliefs should be between them and their Maker, and that the State had no business meddling in their affairs.
    .
    As I mentioned, above, people like you, who parade their convictions so openly, are probably the least firm in their beliefs. Keep your blessings to yourself. I think you need them more than me. Besides, I know where I’m going…
    .
    http://www.lyricsfreak.com/a/ac+dc/highway+to+hell_20003337.html

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Can I have some of whatever you’re smoking? The Bacardi 151 is wearing off…

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Well, it _is_ Amy, you know. Bible Girl’s gotta write about something…

  • zaolaminin

    To Mr Nice Guy:
    Hope you go to this place:

    I am blessed and so are you–you just can’t see it all yet. I’ll pray for you–I know God listens for He has been so good to me and he loves you just as much!

  • codepoet2

    And what a great loving-thy-neighbor Christian Billy’s kid turned out to be. Franklin: you who is without sin, throw…well you get the picture.

    What a little man!

  • Cliff

    jcapan, if you’re reading this, I want you to appreciate the willpower it’s taking me to not make fun of lawyermommy.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Duly noted Cliff. But, as my zen buddy Alan Watts says, “Saints need sinners”

  • apr2563

    I was offended when Obama had James Warren speak at the inauguration. I know there has to be some religious pandering, and Obama may be a very religious person, but there are some pastoral people that are simply contemptible.

  • apr2563

    textee: I give thanks to those people who tried and are still trying to build a just society.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    From Bill Moyers final broadcast last week:

    You’ve no doubt figured out my bias by now. I’ve hardly kept it a secret. In this regard, I take my cue from the late Edward R. Murrow, the Moses of broadcast news.

    Ed Murrow told his generation of journalists bias is okay as long as you don’t try to hide it. So here, one more time, is mine: plutocracy and democracy don’t mix. Plutocracy, the rule of the rich, political power controlled by the wealthy.

    Plutocracy is not an American word but it’s become an American phenomenon. Back in the fall of 2005, the Wall Street giant Citigroup even coined a variation on it, plutonomy, an economic system where the privileged few make sure the rich get richer with government on their side. By the next spring, Citigroup decided the time had come to publicly “bang the drum on plutonomy.”

    And bang they did, with an “equity strategy” for their investors, entitled, “Revisiting Plutonomy: The Rich Getting Richer.” Here are some excerpts:

    “Asset booms, a rising profit share and favorable treatment by market-friendly governments have allowed the rich to prosper…[and] take an increasing share of income and wealth over the last 20 years…”

    “…the top 10%, particularly the top 1% of the US– the plutonomists in our parlance– have benefited disproportionately from the recent productivity surge in the US…[and] from globalization and the productivity boom, at the relative expense of labor.”

    “…[and they] are likely to get even wealthier in the coming years. [Because] the dynamics of plutonomy are still intact.”

    And so they were, before the great collapse of 2008. And so they are, today, after the fall. While millions of people have lost their jobs, their homes, and their savings, the plutonomists are doing just fine. In some cases, even better, thanks to our bailout of the big banks which meant record profits and record bonuses for Wall Street.

    Now why is this? Because over the past 30 years the plutocrats, or plutonomists — choose your poison — have used their vastly increased wealth to capture the flag and assure the government does their bidding. Remember that Citigroup reference to “market-friendly governments” on their side? It hasn’t mattered which party has been in power — government has done Wall Street’s bidding.

    Don’t blame the lobbyists, by the way; they are simply the mules of politics, delivering the drug of choice to a political class addicted to cash — what polite circles call “campaign contributions” and Tony Soprano would call “protection.”

    This marriage of money and politics has produced an America of gross inequality at the top and low social mobility at the bottom, with little but anxiety and dread in between, as middle class Americans feel the ground falling out from under their feet. According to a study from the Pew Research Center last month, nine out of ten Americans give our national economy a negative rating. Eight out of ten report difficulty finding jobs in their communities, and seven out of ten say they experienced job-related or financial problems over the past year.

    So it is that like those populists of that earlier era, millions of Americans have awakened to a sobering reality: they live in a plutocracy, where they are disposable. Then, the remedy was a popular insurgency that ignited the spark of democracy.

    Now we have come to another parting of the ways, and once again the fate and character of our country are up for grabs.

    So along with Jim Hightower and Iowa’s concerned citizens, and many of you, I am biased: democracy only works when we claim it as our own.

    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04302010/transcript2.html

  • apr2563

    formerlyjames: Ii understand your point of view. But, I also was well aware of Billy Graham. Being raised Catholic we were aware that he and other Evangilists did not consider us Christians but Papists and idolators. Many Evangilists still feel that way. Never could figure out why they thought there were crucifixes in our churches. This did not make us sympathetic to him or his followers.
    Now, of course, I understand the harm that most religions have done in the name of their totems and myths. Christianists are particularly egregious.

  • apr2563

    So far there are over 1 million on Facebook. Makes you feel warm and fuzzy doesn’t it?

  • apr2563

    Or as Joey Brown said in Some Like it Hot..ZOWIE!

  • bobcn1

    Moyers is a national treasure. He has always spoken out for the working man with passion, honesty, and decency. His last show was extraordinary — I strongly recommend it to any who missed it. His presence on the air will be missed.

  • michaelfury
  • http://udtek1.wordpress.com udtek1

    Pray for thanksgiving for our freedoms and blessings and to ask for God’s continued guidance, grace and protection for this land that we love。

  • danielatlanta

    Franklin Graham is driven by money (the desire for it), and this flap is simply (as he probably sees it) a God-given fundraising opportunity. Or, maybe he is getting guidance from that talking cow at his daddy’s museum. Whatever the case, Graham should look to Jesus’ example. Jesus did not once try to achieve anything through poilitical connections or influence. The Grahams have a long history of being cozy with Republican presidents and causes. As a Bible-believing Christian, I want no part of the secular political shenanigans of Franklin Graham or his Republican-oriented agenda. And, iIf he really wants to be relevant at the Pentagon, let him join the Army!

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    1 “Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
    2 “Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
    3 But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
    4 so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
    5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
    6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
    16 “And when you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
    17 But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face,
    18 that your fasting may not be seen by men but by your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

  • hotbbq

    Blegh. Organized religion is a complete waste of time and resources. Why must we have these ridiculous controversies over and over again? Why can’t religion just be a personal thing? Why must we always make a scene of it? Get over it already.

  • 3xfire3

    Thought You Might Be Interested.
    .
    According to a new Gallup Poll.
    .
    Only 5% of Americans are opposed to a National Day of Prayer.
    .
    It appears Swampland is a little out of balance with the rest of America.
    .
    Why does that not surprise me.

  • lcky9

    I am not over religious like the left wants all to believe of the right.. I know for a fact since I spent my entire life as a Democrat until 2006.. but I will say this.. even DEMOCRATS are offended by this move.. but than other than the 18-30 year old supporters Obama has lost most of his base.. even my son who voted for him is offended at his lack of tradition and family values.. next election he won’t be voting for him..

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Yea, too bad about that pesky Constitution!

  • 3xfire3

    Paul,
    .
    For over 230 years the Constitution has had no problem with this type of prayer time.
    .
    The Constitution has no problem with a
    “National Day of Prayer”,
    as long as it is not mandatory and does not specify a specific religion.
    .
    Get a life.

  • 53_3

    As long as it is not required, and does not favor any religion over another, I think that a National Day of Prayer is ok.
    .
    However, there are some here who would, if given an inch, try to take a mile…

  • 53_3

    Oh, and I forgot:
    .
    As long as it is not a required activity at governmental functions, be they administrative or whatever.

  • 53_3

    http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am1
    .
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
    .
    There is no question that earljr1′s claims the other day are in conflict with the First Amendment but in this case, as long as it is not required, a nonbinding proclamation* can be issued so long as it favors no religion.
    .
    *A question might be, can a government functionary issue such a proclamation?

  • 3xfire3

    Icky9,
    .
    I’m always amazed how the 5% think their rights are more important then the 95%.
    .
    The National Day of Prayer doesn’t force anyone to do anything. It just a tradition for those of us who are believers, regardless of our particular religion, to give thanks for our blessings and to ask for help for our futures.
    .
    How the 5% can claim this some how harms them is hard to understand.

  • 3xfire3

    53,
    .
    They’ve been doing it successfully for over 230 years.

  • 53_3

    I was wrong anyway, jcapan. Japan has never been anywhere near Tethys.
    .
    Still, just wait! We have a sh!tload of miscreants we’d like to foist off on someone, anyone!

  • 53_3

    The provider of the video wrote this:
    .
    “I think Muslims know the truth about Jesus it is only that they dont want to accept it or continue some of their beliefs what I know God loves them too and Jesus does the same. “
    .
    I have a sneaking hunch that not far underneath zaolaminin’s professed love for all is an unrelenting hatred.
    .
    Of course, I pointed out to him that the 10 Commandments were cast in stone, unlike all other passages in the Bible.
    .
    It failed to impress him…

  • 53_3

    zaolaminin:
    .
    Read the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
    .
    http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am1
    .
    Particularly the first phrase!

  • 53_3

    3xfire3:
    .
    This is only the second time that I will agree with you, however, it is only limited to the National Day of Prayer, and not an endorsement of any of your other views.
    .
    FYI, you might want to give Obama credit for having come out in favor of it, but I don’t think I will hold my breath here.

  • sevenoaks07

    My guess: Obama has no time for concern trollery, I never understood why Presidents had to kow tow to father Graham. After listening to Franklin complaining about the cancellation of his invite to DOD he looked less appetising.

    It is amazing how many of these evangies make such a good living off Christ.

  • 53_3

    It would be great to see her drop anchor in our harbor occasionally.
    .
    I miss the pillaging…

  • 53_3

    Has anyone noticed that ayotollah zaolaminin has a nice ring to it?
    .
    Wonder why…

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
    .
    Who here actively opposed the day of prayer outside of your imagination?
    .
    Since 50% of all Americans attend church on weekly basis and about 70% consider themselves a believer in a particular religion, then, approximately 70% of all Americans are already praying.
    .
    My opinion: it is as useless as national brush your teeth day: if it something most people do daily, then you can make an official day out of it if you really feel like it.
    .
    I’m wondering when they will have a national eat your vegetables day.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Evil twin of 3X,
    .
    Your good twin was telling us all not to demonize or insult people online. Obviously this is your evil side who has no idea what he is saying when he tells another poster to “Get a life.”
    .
    “For over 230 years the Constitution has had no problem with this type of prayer time.”
    .
    It was passed in the last Republican congress of 1952 before Newt Gingrich since in 1952 Republicans thought America was becoming too heathen and unchristian. This is not 2182. If you are still online in 2182 and this does not get overturned, then you can say that it has been 230 years. As of now, it has been only 58 years.

    “I’m always amazed how the 5% think their rights are more important then the 95%”
    .
    First and foremost, this is what the constitution is all about: preventing the tyrant of the majority.
    .
    Your good twin wanted 18% of all Americans who wanted no HCR at all to hold the other 82% of us hostage. So, I think this is the pot calling the kettle black.
    .
    I, myself, am as unopposed to this as I am National comb your hair day. So, I am with the 95% in not being opposed (even though, as an atheist, I am not a supporter, either) but, can see why it is against the constitution.
    .
    Evil twin of 3X, you really need to meet the kind and gentle 3X someday.

    .
    Next evil twin of 3X, you, unlike your good 3X who loves the constitution, you don’t even grasp what the constitution is. It is against making laws concerning religion. It is not about if this particular day is harmful or not, it is about preventing a slippery slope towards a government mandated religion.
    .

  • apr2563

    I don’t know. He is a fraud. Go to town Tonto and find out.

  • pittsburghpoet

    Some religions do. Some don’t. Christians believe that God created the universe, and that living beings are important to God. This means that those who hate God and their neighbor go against what God wants. If a Christian believes, for example, that God condemns slavery, he or she will not say “What’s true for me is true for you.” Whether or not the main society likes what is thus condemned, and or that some Christians like it, is irrelevant. It ought to be eliminated. The law of a democratic republic is one of many instruments which can be used. On the other hand, government is not identical to God. Those governments which tell us not to pray are evil: so are those which tell us the way to pray.

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