Free Speech, Cinco de Mayo and the Politics of the Flag

With the debate over Arizona’s new immigation law raging, it was inevitable, perhaps, that this year’s Cinco de Mayo festivities would be politically charged. In Washington, where every shindig serves some political purpose, President Obama used the occasion to blast SB1070 and urge Congress to press ahead with immigration reform. But at a California high school, the holiday was tainted by an incident that raises First Amendment questions. Five students at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Calif., were ordered by school officials to remove or cover up American flag attire yesterday. The school, which has a large Mexican-American population, told the students their clothing was “incendiary,” according to reports.

Galli says he and his friends were sitting at a table during brunch break when the vice principal asked two of the boys to remove American flag bandannas that they wearing on their heads and for the others to turn their American flag T-shirts inside out. When they refused, the boys were ordered to go to the principal’s office.

“They said we could wear it on any other day,” Daniel Galli said, “but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it’s supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today.”

To avoid suspension, the students went home. Administrators defended the measure, saying they sought to defuse a potential confrontation before it occurred. At least one student told a reporter that she found her peers’ attire offensive. “I think they should apologize cause it is a Mexican Heritage Day,” Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, said. “We don’t deserve to be get disrespected like that. We wouldn’t do that on the Fourth of July.” The school district, however, released a statement disavowing the principal’s decision. The students’ parents were predictably outraged. “I think it’s absolutely ridiculous,” said one mother. “All they were doing was displaying their patriotic nature. They’re expressing their individuality.”

This is a willfully myopic statement, but that doesn’t mean the school didn’t make a mistake. Proper context — the level of tension between Hispanic and Caucasian students, the students’ history and behavior that day, etc. — is probably necessary to fully understand and assess the decision. The AP notes that the kids insist they weren’t trying to start trouble and reports at least two of them were Mexican. (I’m noting this in the interest of additional context.) Donning the Stars and Stripes on this specific day, and amid a heated national debate over issues of racial profiling, immigration and border security may well have been “incendiary.” Clearly it’s indelicate. Even so, the right to free speech includes incendiary free speech. That’s part of the bargain.

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  • northpoleresident

    They should be able to wear whatever they want as long as it is deemed appropriate for school on any other given day. Obviously they were trying to be disrespectfull and intentionally wore the clothes to offend the minority students but there is no law against being a royal bag of doosh.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Just to agitate: What if they were wearing Confederate flags on Martin Luther King day?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    The thing about Free Speech is that it allows speech that is self-discrediting to proceed unabated. If you don’t like someone’s message, you should just get out of the way.
    .
    Regardless of whether the kids wearing flag attire had a point to make or not, the fact that they were asked to remove accomplishes nothing but harm. Tea partiers cries about eroding freedom would elicit a lot less sympathy if they weren’t provided with real live examples of eroding freedom.

  • Paul-no not that one

    It’s all pretty silly.
    .
    It sure sounds like the vice principal doesn’t have much respect for the Mexican American students.
    .
    The “they can’t control themselves” attitude is insulting.
    .
    Of course there might have been a little bit of dinkishness by the kids sent home.-
    .
    From the AP link-”The boys’ shorts and shoes also had American flags”
    .
    But it is high school afterall.

  • destor23

    American flag attire is always tacky.

    http://www.edfsuperstore.com/catalog/otomix_500FLAG.jpg

    The teachers in this case have a responsibility to teach their students to be fashion aware and fashion forward. Especially on the coasts where examples are set for the rest of America.

  • lepidusxvi

    High school isn’t the real world. They police all sorts of things regularly that would be allowed in a general context.
    .
    The same rules should apply at schools that do at work. If you wore something to work to incite your coworkers, you’d be lucky to just get sent home.

  • textee

    Alex Altman asserts that American students wearing “American flag attire” in school is “indelicate”!

    Had these America-hating leftist loons running this Morgan Hill, California “school” (i.e., leftist cesspool) provided the punks in its “school” American flags to burn at “school”, Altman and Time magazine would not have called such burning of American flags “indelicate”, Altman and Time magazine would have celebrated it.

    BTW, wtf is an American school doing celebrating freakin’ Cinco de Mayo? Answer: the schools are run by America-hating leftists.

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    Until the whole American racial tension is laid bare and people are able to discuss it, these types of laws and sporadically escalating tension will be recurrent.

    The tension between browns and whites came to a boiling point in AZ because of raw politics. McCain, a semi liberal nut in wolf clothing and Hayworth, a teaparty crazy who should be in a strait jacket. These two clowns are in a fight for the primaries and so the fall out was this crazy broad law which profiles and targets darker skinned Hispanics.
    Okay, now we know AZ despite its porous borders and limited enforcement of Federal laws, have zero tolerance for illegal immigration. How boring!

    It will be interesting to see if this does not resolve itself after McCain is re-elected.

    The obscure state of AZ should strive to be known for more than a place where strung out or sex addicted, porn drenched celebrities come to clean out.

    Now they are known as the silly state which has legally endorsed racism.

    Let me digress though by adding that AZ is a beautiful state and until I saw this law, I always thought of it as just precious. *Sigh*

    LM
    http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/network-security-criminals-can-crash-planes/

  • deconstructiva

    (I’m noting this in the interest of additional context.)
    .
    Alex, my thanks for this post but no need to apologize for adding context. Context is good. Named sources are too. Ignore those ding dongs in orientation training who told you otherwise. As for incendiary stuff, I’ll leave that debate to others here. I don’t see why there has to be any tension over this holiday or any other. That aside, is Cinco de Mayo just a minor event in Mexico but much bigger here? (I had a nice meal with several drinks anyway.)
    (Alex, I tried to add a link but the server ate my reply.)

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    This is what the press loves. News and fall out from the sensationalism.

    LM
    http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/network-security-criminals-can-crash-planes/

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    Until the whole American racial tension is laid bare and people are able to discuss it, these types of laws and sporadically escalating tension will be recurrent.

    The tension between browns and whites came to a boiling point in AZ because of raw politics. McCain, a semi liberal nut in wolf clothing and Hayworth, a teaparty crazy who should be in a strait jacket. These two clowns are in a fight for the primaries and so the fall out was this crazy broad law which profiles and targets darker skinned Hispanics.
    Okay, now we know AZ despite its porous borders and limited enforcement of Federal laws, has zero tolerance for illegal immigration. How boring!

    It will be interesting to see if this does not resolve itself after McCain is re-elected.

    The obscure state of AZ should strive to be known for more than a place where strung out or sex addicted, porn drenched celebrities come to clean out.

    Now they are known as the silly state which has legally endorsed racism.

    Let me digress though by adding that AZ is a beautiful state and until I saw this law, I always thought of it as just precious. *Sigh*

    LM
    http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/network-security-criminals-can-crash-planes/

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/05/06/free-speech-cinco-de-mayo-and-the-politics-of-the-flag/#comment-161959#ixzz0nAjYcVZG

  • square1

    Republicans love the debate-by-anecdote. Their favorite weapon is the “dumb school teacher/administrator”. Fortunately, with thousands of school administrators and teachers across the country, it is trivial to find some fool who has infringed on a conservative’s rights. There is always going to be someone somewhere who tells a Christian that she can’t wear a cross to school, tells students they can’t sing a religious Christmas carol, or, in this case, tells a citizen that they can’t wear the national flag.

    These isolated incidents of bad judgment demonstrated by usually well-meaning but misguided government employees then get emailed at warp speed to every Republican as proof — PROOF! — of a global liberal conspiracy to attack conservatism.

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    oops. I corrected a typo and ended up over pasting.

    *sigh*

    LM
    http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/network-security-criminals-can-crash-planes/

  • lepidusxvi

    Oh come on. Should they have been allowed to wear those? Sure… Free speech may cover being a jackass, but that doesn’t mean it should be encouraged.
    .
    Anyway, truth is, no one here knows what the intent was. If they wore those just to antagonize the other students, that’s their right, but it’s still being a jerk for no good reason.
    .
    What would you say if a school administrator sent home kids for wearing atheist t-shirts on Easter?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    True, but that doesn’t prevent me from wishing that such administrators would acquire a clue at some point.

  • spob

    “Republicans love the debate-by-anecdote.”
    .
    This from a crowd that used isolated anecdotes to sell HCR.
    .
    Alex Altman, you are a disgrace. First of all, you denigrate the students who want to wear their country’s colors, yet you absolutely fail to acknowledge the indelicacy of being offended by the display of the nation’s flag. Second, it’s pretty likely that many of the Mexican-American students had more on their mind than simply pride in their heritage–but I guess it’s only the students wearing American flags who are the bad guys. Third, you utterly fail to acknowledge the inherent problem with “Mexican flag ok, American flag no ok” IN AMERICA.

  • Alex Altman

    Sometimes I wonder if posts like this Textee gem are written by people, or some computer algorithm that performs keyword scans for examples of perceived liberal bias and then automatically cobbles together an aggrieved, hysterical reply.

  • afguy

    First of all, you denigrate the students who want to wear their country’s colors, yet you absolutely fail to acknowledge the indelicacy of being offended by the display of the nation’s flag.
    .
    Strange, but when I was growing up, wearing the American flag as an article of clothing was considered an act of disrespect, regardless of why it was done and BY WHOM. You also didn’t let it touch the ground or fly it in bad weather until it was a mass of faded ribbons, either.

  • spob

    afguy, talk about a make-weight argument. The fact is that these kids weren’t being asked to remove their American flag clothing because of disrespect to the flag, but because it might offend people who apparently don’t like the sight of their own nation’s colors.

  • earljr1

    The liberal rush to defend this abysmal behavior is disturbing and highly indicative of their misplaced priorities. Innocent American citizens are being murdered by illegals, but that’s okay, the display of a cross, honoring our war dead is an “affront” to liberals, but that, too, is okay. (thank God for the sanity of our Supreme Court in overturning this travesty) Keep at it, liberals and the America we know will change from the land of opportunity and hope, to a land of government mandated rules designed to impede individual liberty and incentive. The tea party has it right…time to kick the liberal bottom feeders from the public trough!

  • kevin

    Alex Altman for the motherf*cking win.

  • afguy

    …who apparently don’t like the sight of their own nation’s colors.
    .
    You’re coming to a whole lot of conclusions about other people’s motives here, spob. Care to enlighten us as to how many of those students you talked to about why they did what they did? On BOTH sides?

  • spob

    Sometimes I wonder if urbane reporters really are patriots or consider themselves above even that. Your post, Alex, oozes disdain for these students. But of course, you cannot see the utter folly of your position, which is that the Mexican flag is ok, but the American flag, well, um let’s talk.
    .
    Perhaps, just perhaps, you may think about one completely unreported issue about unchecked Mexican-American immigration. It is fundamentally changing the the ethnic makeup of many places. Now some people may say, “well, that’s life.” And perhaps that’s the right answer, but the reality is that “We the People” did not vote on this. And with unchecked immigration from Mexico, we have ethnic preferences and social issues that have arisen. Perhaps wearing an American flag is a response, in part, to that, and I don’t see how that’s at all illegitimate.

  • virginiagentleman

    That comment about computer algorithms would seem to work here as well.

  • kevin

    Innocent American citizens are being murdered by illegals
    .
    Really? Could you provide some evidence of this?
    .
    I ask because all the evidence I’ve seen — provided by law enforcement officials, government agencies, and academic studies — suggests that illegal aliens are less likely to commit crimes (partially because they need to keep a low profile).
    .

    The perception of high crime rates by illegal immigrants is pure myth. And it is misdirecting public policy about what we really should do to stop illegal immigration. A century of studies has consistently shown that recent immigrants are in fact less likely to commit a crime or be in jail than native Americans.

    The last comprehensive national report, by Ruben G. Rumbaut, Walter A. Ewing and the American Immigration Law Foundation, found two years ago that while the number of unauthorized Latino immigrants in the country doubled between 1994 and 2005, violent crime during the same period dropped nearly 35 percent.
    .
    Other studies show that the drop fell faster in major illegal immigrant destinations such as Los Angeles and New York than in cities with lower immigration rates. Rumbaut and Ewing reported that U.S-born men ages 18-39 were five times more likely to be in jail than foreign-born ones, even though nearly 30 percent of those foreign-born were here illegally and often jailed for only that offense.
    .
    In California, home to the largest illegal immigrant Latino population, immigrants in 2005 made up about 35 percent of California’s adult population but accounted for only 17 percent of the prison population, according to the Public Policy Institute of California.

    .
    http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/mar/01/co-the-illegal-immigrant-crime-myth/news-opinion-commentary/
    .
    So, again, do you have any evidence of “innocent American citizens … being murdered by illegals” on a significant scale? Or are you, once again, just making it up as you go?

  • http://www.flickr.com/hubbmax hubbmax

    I agree with you.
    [but THAT design would surely be tacky in any colors....]

  • virginiagentleman

    spob, awesome stuff.

    I especially like how you attack Dems for using anecdotes to pass healthcare, than come out with this: “Second, it’s pretty likely that many of the Mexican-American students had more on their mind than simply pride in their heritage.”

    You come up with anecdotes by READING PEOPLE’S MINDS. FROM HUNDREDS, MAYBE THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY.

    Now that’s how to use anecdotes, hermano.

  • m0mentom0ri
  • virginiagentleman

    spob, great point about immigration: “It is fundamentally changing the the ethnic makeup of many places.”

    Funny, that’s just what the Native Americans said about 370 years ago…

  • virginiagentleman

    BTW, to be honest, the vice-principal was probably wrong here. It is indeed possible the kids wearing the American flag gear (shoes? really?) were trying to do a little instigation but it’s also possible they were just expressing themselves. I would think a good school administrator would have figured out a way to talk to the kids first and deliver a message that, as long as they’re polite to others, their outfits are fine.

    I also think Ms. Nunez, the student quoted in the article, should know we think it’s possible to show the American flag on Mexican Heritage Day. Now that they’re breaking out the Dos Equis, we’ve totally forgiven them for the Alamo. And the Zimmerman Telegram. And Corona.

    At least, I have. Not sure about spob.

  • destor23

    @Alex Altman: Only a socialist sympathizer like you would imagine that rugged individualist right wing web commenting heroes would need some sort of computer algo to pick apart your pathetics attemps to turn the United States into the a second Venezuela, ruled not by Hugo Chavez but by an out of work cross-dressing Fidel Castro bodydouble.

    No, has to be a computer program. I can’t even do it without trailing off into nonsense.

  • afguy

    The tea party has it right…time to kick the liberal bottom feeders from the public trough!
    .
    So that the Tea Party members can take their place, earljr?
    .
    Isn’t Michael Vanderboegh, one of the more militant leaders of the Tea Party, on government disability? How does the chant of “keep the government out of my Medicare and Social Security” NOT make your head explode?
    .
    We might not be tracking the one of the worst oil spills in history off the Gulf Coast if one of those “government-mandated rules” had actually been enacted rather than removed at BP’s behest. I’m sure they appreciate that the U.S. government was “kept off of their backs”. Ditto Goldman Sachs. They certainly made the most of their “opportunity”.

  • Ivy_B

    afguy, I grew up in the same environment you did. Every year some class went over the Flag Code and etiquette. While I think the flag is a symbol as opposed to a holy object, it still bothers me to see them popped around people’s yards touching the ground. And wearing the flag as a piece of clothing is always bad taste.
    .
    http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html

  • nflfoghorn

    It’s MSU as usual. Good for Alex to pick up on that.
    .
    The “Los (Phoenix) Suns” thing is pretty good debate as well. Their Canadian point guard is right there in solidarity with that constituency.

  • nflfoghorn

    Young African-American males are doing a pretty good job of killing themselves off, sadly.
    .
    http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-05-05/story/study-homicide-leading-cause-death-among-young-black-males

  • virginiagentleman

    Alex, I think it was totally out of line for spob to question your patriotism.

    On the other hand, it did call you “urbane” so you’ve got that going for you…

  • nflfoghorn

    Kev @7.3: Wins seduce moms? ;)

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    The liberal rush to defend this abysmal behavior is disturbing or would be if it existed.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Someday, someone is going to have to explain how a nation gets to this level of insanity…

  • earljr1

    An Arizona rancher was murdered by illegal’s around thirty days ago and yet liberals decry the “tightening of security” by Arizona officials, “racist” and overreaching. At what point, Kevin, are we allowed to protect our citizens? Your barrage of rhetoric does nothing to dispel the problem….the people of Arizona feel threatened by this influx of illegals and have every right to take whatever steps they deem appropriate. Al Sharpton’s dialogue got an innocent person killed in New York and now he takes his sideshow to Arizona, with liberals fawning and encouraging him.Your “indignation” is self serving and your accusation of “making it up”, right out of the liberal, cry me a river, playbook.

  • afguy

    virginiagentleman,
    .
    My main beef is how the students are “showing respect” for the flag in the first place.
    .
    The flag was always supposed to be cared for in a respectful manner. If on shoes (in the past, THAT would have been a non-starter), then the shoes would be kept clean because of the presence of the flag.
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    A bandanna? Do they ever wipe their face on it? Blow their nose on it, even without thinking?
    .
    The American flag is becoming a political prop. Those that fly it haven’t a clue how to care for it or even the rules for flying it.
    .
    A number of years ago, while doing writing work at a GM plant in TN, a company bigshot died. The president of the company had the US, TN state and corp flags lowered to half-staff out of respect for the death.
    .
    Someone had to tell him that HE didn’t have that authority – THAT had to come from the president of the US.
    .
    The ignorance is deep – and widespread. Small wonder that the kids use it like they do.

  • jnb987

    I’m with ya, Alex, but aren’t you being a little too insulting towards computer algorithms?

  • afguy

    Someday, someone is going to have to explain how a nation gets to this level of insanity…
    .
    It takes years of hard work and dedication to the effort, forgotten. Doesn’t happen overnight, for sure.

  • jnb987

    Over-pasting indeed. Ironic typos are what blogspammers get.

  • Ivy_B

    Of course the latest news from the investigation of the Arizona rancher is that it was not a random killing and there is no proof it was done by illegals. They say the suspect is in the United States as opposed to having fled to Mexico, which is what all the right wing sources were saying in March.
    .
    http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/article_35ef6e3a-5632-5e58-abe7-e7697ee2f0d5.html

  • northpoleresident

    Ladies and gentleman Mr. Alex Altman! Now that is a reply.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Well, considering, at least 2 of these kids were Mexican American I think their attire was all in fun and the assistant principal was out of line.
    .
    And furthermore, many posters should take more care in reading the articles before posting on them.

  • kevin

    the people of Arizona feel threatened by this influx of illegals and have every right to take whatever steps they deem appropriate.
    .
    So their feelings — even if they’re not borne out by “facts” and “evidence” — are enough to give them carte blanche to do whatever they want to do here?
    .
    Seriously? If people get emotional enough about something, they can do whatever they want? That’s the new conservative position?

  • kevin

    Comments like that sure should.

  • virginiagentleman

    afguy, it’s probably hypocritical of me to say this since I know I have a tee shirt upstairs with a flag on it, but I respect your point. I may not be as rigid in my thinking as you (I remember being deeply touched during the Super Bowl halftime show in 2002, when U2 performed and Bono revealed the inside of her jacket had flag lining), but I do think respect should be a part of anyone’s decision about how they make use of the flag, whether it’s kids putting it on their shoes or, ahem, every right winger in the media wrapping themselves in one on their book jacket.

    One of the most memorable moments for me at my father’s funeral years ago was seeing the flag draped over the casket, because he was a WWII vet. And I remember distinctly coming home from work early on 9-11 and making sure the flag was flying outside our house.

    So, even some of us lefties care about the thing…

  • afguy

    An Arizona rancher was murdered by illegal’s around thirty days ago and yet liberals decry the “tightening of security” by Arizona officials, “racist” and overreaching.
    .
    earljr,
    .
    Just read up on that case and found that the authorities don’t know who did it or even have a person of interest. The only thing they know is that the person is probably STILL in the US. So… given that the authorities don’t have a suspect, how are you so sure that an “illegal” is to blame?
    .
    Since drug trafficking is a problem across that part of the US-Mexican border too (with American citizens involved), why is that not also a possibility, given the lack of suspects or proof of illegal immigrant involvement?
    .
    Could it be that “death by illegal” fits the narrative you want to pursue?

  • afguy

    Oh, I’m not rigid in my thinking. But some of the most “patriotic” businesses have a flag flying that is an absolute disgrace (if they actually respect it).
    .
    The articles of clothing are a commercial decision by a clothing manufacturer.
    .
    There is a ceremony for the flag over the casket and it is touching. It is used and removed in a proscribed manner. it IS a ceremony.
    .
    As for the flag outside the house, I have the feeling that you display it properly and in the right spirit.
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    A question – do you raise and lower it daily? Take it down in bad weather?
    .
    I’ve got 2 Eagle Scouts who are very familiar with the flag retirement ceremony.

  • virginiagentleman

    afguy, the flag is on a pole that’s inserted into a holder. I try not to leave it out in bad weather. I’m not an Eagle Scout, but I seem to remember you’re supposed to bring it in when it rains.

  • afguy

    You’ve got the right spirit, virginiagentleman.
    .
    I give points to those that at least try to take care of the flag. Businesses that fly the really big ones and just let them disintegrate really rub me the wrong way
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    I don’t look down on those who don’t fly one but, if you’re gonna do it, DO IT RIGHT.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Spobbie, back in the 60s, conservatives like yourself went completely nuts when Abbie Hoffman wore a shirt made out of an American Flag and disgraced the Flag.
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    Now, you’re throwing a fit because some students were admonished for doing the same thing.
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    My question for you, spobbie, was Abbie Hoffman a patriot? Or were these high schoolers disgracing the Flag?

  • artraveler

    You know that about 15% of any group is looney as a teapot. Just look at the Republican members of the U. S. House of Representatives. And we still allow them to actually act like they know something, except for Michelle Bachman, who just can’t seem to find anything rational to say.

  • apr2563

    Amen. The grown ups in charge of that school should have been able to handle the situation. I could have become a teaching moment on the first amendment and understanding others sensitivities.
    As an ex-teacher, I would have loved to write the lesson plan.

  • apr2563

    correction: It could have become…

  • apr2563

    textee and spob: You will find few liberals defending the schools actions. But your knee jerk reaction is typical. Unlike you and a lot of the tea baggers, we encourage freedom of expression and diversity.

  • apr2563

    People should be required to watch one of my favorite movies, “The Oxbow Incident”. It was made many years ago but is a chilling reminder of how destructive the lynch mob, vigilante mind set is. That is what the Arizona law reminds me of…A rush to judgement brought on by ginned up hysteria.

  • apr2563

    After 9/11, when everyone was in a frenzy to display their patriotism, the abuse and disrespect for the American flag was on full display.
    Sorry my right wing friends, even though I am a liberal, I have reverence for the flag. I don’t want a law banning burning the flag. It is a freedom we have. Anymore than I want people prosecuted for putting them on their cars, wearing the flag as clothing, letting the flag touch the ground, disposing of it improperly, or flying it after sunset, but I sure wish we had more respect.

  • http://miermj.wordpress.com miermj

    They should be able to wear whatever they want as long as it is deemed appropriate for school on any other given day. Obviously they were trying to be disrespectfull and intentionally wore the clothes to offend the minority students but there is no law against being a royal bag of doosh.

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/05/06/free-speech-cinco-de-mayo-and-the-politics-of-the-flag/?replytocom=161946#respond#ixzz0nBzhdrUL

    What country were they in? Oh yeah, that would be the U.S. Wore clothes to offend? Don’t they see the flag U.S. flag every day at school? Is that offensive?

  • http://miermj.wordpress.com miermj

    ‘In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.. And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.’
    Theodore Roosevelt 1907

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Yes and no. Public schools are extensions of government, and, therefore, can’t officially stifle freedom of speech. However, that said, they are required to provide a “safe and conducive” learning environment. If a garment is designed to provoke, then it can’t be tolerated.

    A private company – IBM, for example – can make their own rules and you either play by them, or you don’t work there.

  • husein11

    The only thing that is even more “incendiary” to liberals like Altman is wearing an American flag shirt on July 4th.

  • sacredh

    Alex Altman @7.2. My hat is off to you sir. When we ask for interaction, we’re happy with just about anything. But this? This is a Hall of Fame reply.

  • http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com lawyermommy

    What an asinine remark. Spammers?? Are you drunk?

    OLODO!
    :)

    LM
    http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/network-security-criminals-can-crash-planes/

  • Commenter 2B named later

    The only thing worse than being ignorant is not knowing how ignorant you are. That’s Time Magazine’s problem. You see, I certainly believe that Time Magazine is guided by the ignis fatuus of interdenominationalism. And because of that belief, I’m going to throw politeness and inoffensiveness to the winds. In this letter, I’m going to be as rude and crude as I know how, to reinforce the point that it will not be easy to break the neck of Time Magazine’s policy of clericalism once and for all. Nevertheless, we must attempt to do exactly that for the overriding reason that my number one priority is to bring strength to our families, power to our nation, and health to our cities. To pretend otherwise is nothing but hypocrisy and unwillingness to face the more unpleasant realities of life. Finally, any mistakes in this letter are strictly my fault. But if you find any factual error or have more updated information on the subject of Time Magazine, Time Magazine-inspired versions of hedonism, etc., please tell me so I can write an even stronger letter next time.

    http://www.pakin.org/complaint/

  • lcky9

    I have to say that in MEXICO they don’t make such a deal out of May 5th.. This is AMERICA I don’t approve of the POLISH independence day.. Mexican independence day or ANY other countries independence day being celebrated in the U.S.A. July 4th is the ONLY INDEPENDENCE day that should be celebrated here and if they don’t like it LEAVE.. and the AMERICAN FLAG is the ONLY FLAG THAT SHOULD BE FLOW.. again don’t like it LEAVE.. end of story.. BTW I am French, American Indian, Irish, Polish, Scottish, English and Dutch my family has been her since the Revolutionary War (which they fought in against the British).. 4th generation on my ma’s side who came from Poland and we have NEVER celebrated anything other than July 4th as independence day nor flown or wore anything but the American Flag and are PROUD of it..

  • pbmama

    I agree w/ the first sentence from lcky9 – I’m choosing to roll my eyes at the rest.

    The point is this – Cinco de Mayo borders on a fabricated holiday, and is “celebrated” more actively in the US than it is in Mexico. It’s essentially an excuse to get drunk and act like and idiot – something we Americans excel at, especially on our own Independence Day.

    I think before people get all high and mighty on who’s offending whom, they should be better educated on why there’s ‘offense’ in the first place.

  • cink24

    And I’m sure Icky9 rants against St. Patrick’s Day celebrations as well because those icky Irish shouldn’t be celebrating things either.

    What I’d like to know is if there are no influences from cultures outside the US, why is there always such a long line at my local deli?

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