Time is a Left-Wing Rag

Of course Time isn’t a left wing rag. But the country could use a left wing rag with Time’s reach and level of influence.

Clearly your inclusion of Glenn Beck is some left-wing reverse psychology conspiracy meant to throw the true patriots in this country off your true message of OsamaCare and socialism…

LOL…

http://www.political-buzz.com/

“I hope Glenn and Sarah come to the Time 100 dinner next week and meet some of the cosmopolitian, intellectual, multi-racial and hopey-changey folks assembled there from all over the world. They may learn a thing or two.”
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That’s a little like saying “I hope Toby Keith does a rap and hip hop album”.
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No, I think Glenn and Sarah know who is paying the advances on their next three books that repeat the same talking points. Maybe they’re at the end of their fifteen minutes but they’ll ride it until Dancing with the Stars is the only thing they’ve got penciled in.

…or so most of my recent emails keep saying. So, why, then, did we name weepy paranoid-infotainer Glenn Beck to the Time 100? And more to the point, why did we have Her Know-nothingness Sarah Palin (Another honoree!) write about the wingnut blubber?
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*sigh* Look, Joe, we both know that it doesn’t matter how many right-wingers you feature (or let write guest columns) in your magazine; the right-wing media is going to continue to call TIME a “left-wing rag” because it is in their direct financial interest to call TIME a “left-wing rag”.
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If your bosses were smart, they’d take the advice your colleague James Poniewozik recently suggested to CNN: stop trying to be “balanced”, and focus on the truth.

What’s the over/under on how long it takes the conservative blogosphere to seize this post’s title, sheer it of the context and sarcasm, and use it as “Even Joe Klein says Time is a left-wing rag”?
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I say Red State or NRO does it by the end of the week.

Amen to that.
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You will never be right-wing enough for the people who complain. You could morph into the Weekly Standard, and the far right nuts would be complaining that you weren’t as conservative as Human Events.
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Stop worrying about the wingnuts and just do the job.

I say Red State or NRO does it by the end of the hour.
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Fixed if for you, Kevin.

I don’t know.
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Maybe there is an Intellectual Welfare Program for Methamphetamine Addled Wingnuts…

Joe, you finally got it!

And your emails got it perfectly right, those that you call most of them anyway. You also get to get another candidate for the 2012 Elections because the one that you have now will ruin your circulation count by then.

It is a waste of time (Time?) to even debate this.

The Republican Party maintains a cult-like “epistemic closure.” There are only two kinds of information sources: liberal and conservative. Conservative information sources do not violate Reagan’s 11th Commandment. That is, they do not criticize Republicans.

All other information sources, by definition, are liberal. Since Time (and Time.com) is not 100% a GOP cheerleader it is, by definition, liberal.

The problem is not one of perception. Republicans do not misperceive that Time skews left. In fact, Time is a predictably pro-corporate, pro-military, center-right media outlet. Republicans simply define center-right as “liberal”.

Under this twisted, cult-like definition, yes, Time is liberal.

My suggestion is to simply accept that Republicans have an insanely distorted and paranoid world-view and move on.

I would remind people that Ben Bernanke was Time’s person of the year for 2009. If that doesn’t tell you how the Time editors view the economy, I don’t know what does.

It seems to me, any media outlet that isn’t right wing is labled as ‘left wing’ or more obnoxiously “lame stream”. Its time for the mainstream media to stop worrying about their label and just start telling the truth like they used to.

I originally had it as “end of the day” but wanted to give myself some more room.
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But I see Vegas has spoken and moved the line.

“Time is a Left-Wing Rag”

And the string on a tampon is really free dental floss.

Stay classy, sacredh.

Stengel seems to want a balance not between left and right, but between Truth tellers and Masters of Fantasy.

I don’t have a problem with calling either Beck or Palin influential, but leaders? And I like lefty a lot, and I feel for him and think he’s mildly inspiring, but a hero?

Square1,

I completely agree with your assessment, only I wouldn’t paint all Republicans with the same brush. I think I would replace it with “Conservatives”. I know plenty of Republicans who don’t think that way, though they are Eastern Establishment types or in Conservative speak, RINOs (Republican In Name Only). Unfortunately, what passes for intellectual conservative has passed from William Buckley to Rush Limbaugh.

Wow. Joe you are a real classless prick.

What?! They didn’t name Karl Marx or George Soros?!

It was a struggle to get that classy. I rejected 5 or 6 comments that were questionable and then went highbrow.

“Wow. Joe you are a real classless prick.”
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Welcome fellow cellar dweller.

As for Adm Mullen, he bothered to come to a deployment ceremony for the Vermont National Guard, something that endeared him to a lot of us.

Looking for notice of that to link to, I found he has his own youtube channel.

“If your bosses were smart, they’d take the advice your colleague James Poniewozik recently suggested to CNN: stop trying to be “balanced”, and focus on the truth.”
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I want to be on Team darius3. But I would add that Time would be wise to counsel their reporters to avoid, he said she said reporting, you the reader decide who is telling the truth reporting, critics say reporting, the grant anonymity for no other reason than access
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Stop thinking that the occupant of the White House is supposed to be your bff and the press secretary your second bestest bff. By nature your relationships with any White House no matter the occupant is supposed to be strained and adversarial. You people should be getting kicked off Air Force One and losing your front row seat in the briefing room every other friggin day. Your editors should be getting yelled at by the WH single day about how much of an a@@hole you are. Quote like this from Richard Wolffe should make reporters cringe: “the White House has been very good to me.”

Better him than Eldrick

Wonkette is claiming you had Ted Nugent write the profile of Palin? If true, I haven’t seen such an improbable blend of pandering and contempt since… well…. since McCain picked Palin to appeal to his own base.

Joe- loved your profile of Adm. Mullen, especially the phrase “rural physician.” Out of curiosity—what’s his relationship with the president? And how does this differ with the president’s dynamic with Gens. McChrystal and Petraeus?

Can you two stop it. I’m in a cubicle and supposed to be working without snorking out loud.

“First they will ignore you. Then they will laugh at you. Then they will call you names. Then, you know you have won”.

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Famously said with a slight variation by Mahatma Gandhi. How true these words describe today’s political environment.
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Thank you Mr Klein for proving my point I have tried to make here in the swamp for over 2 years now.

No, Joe, the America they represent is NOT a boring, third rate, hate filled “Christian” place. It is a great deal MORE than that. It is a nation of hard working, industrious people, PROUD of their Christian foundation and working hard to reclaim their country from the left wing, “anti-Christian” lunatics you so proudly represent. Your commentary is reprehensible but highly indicative of your moral character….sadly lacking and quite transparent. You and your ilk underestimate the outrage many Americans are feeling. The hijacking of our government by the left wing, resonates quite clearly now and I expect a significant turnout in November(by those Christian Americans you so love to belittle) to refute this blatant attempt to change our nations course and foundation.

When someone calls you a ‘left wing rag’ they are saying more about themselves than about you. Personally – I feel some of the real rags are distinguishable from real open-minded liberals. ……..

http://thefiresidepost.com/2010/04/26/the-problem-with-liberals-1965-2010/

Or, in Palin’s case:

First they have no idea who you are. Then you are picked to be a heartbeat away from the nuclear launch codes. Then they laugh at you. Then you say something stupid. Then they laugh at you again. Then you make an embarrassing resignation speech. Then they laugh at you again. Then you type a bunch of ignorant tweets. Then they laugh at you again. Then you read your talking points from your hand. More laughs. Then you go on Dancing With The Stars. Then you win.

Yeah, I’m sure Ghandi would support the side that has dished out oppression and apartheid for the last 200 years. He would really support the side that treats minorities as second class citizens and is trying to rid the country of Mexicans. How clueless can one person be?

Joe, Glenn Beck is on the Influential list and you are not because he is influential. And he never bashed you before you bashed him.

earljr1:
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There is an itsy bitsy tweensy little problem that our forefathers had to wrestle with that you seem to have forgotten:
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The separation of church and state
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Just thought I would remind you of one of the most important issues our forefathers had to wrestle with.
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Unless, of course, the constitution really doesn’t mean that much to you…

Actually, I avoid referring to wingnuts as “conservatives” because “classical conservativism” is a legitimate and valuable political philosophy. And modern Republicans bear little resemblance to historical, principled conservatives.
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The only principle that I can identify with modern Republicans is the principle that “liberals are evil and we should always do the opposite of what they want, even if purely for spite.”

I think you meant to say “reclaim the country from all the hispanics, blacks, immigrants, or non-christians.”
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You feel like the government doesn’t represent you? Welcome to our world. We haven’t had a government that represents us for over 200 years. We seem to have thrived. What? After 200 years you can’t handle 1 year without power? I love to see the other side have to squirm like a worm for a change. The anger you speak of has been strong in our communities for as long as I remember. We love it that someone else is frustrated for a change.

“”anti-Christian” lunatics you so proudly represent”
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See Joe? They’re just a bunch of “Real Americans” who hate the rest of us – we who apparently are godless, Marxist traitors and not really Americans.
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You know what REALLY offends me Earl? That guys like you who think anyone who doesn’t goosestep along with your little marching band is not a Real American™.

“So, why, then, did we name weepy paranoid-infotainer Glenn Beck to the Time 100? And more to the point, why did we have Her Know-nothingness Sarah Palin (Another honoree!) write about the wingnut blubber?”

The effeminate and strange-looking Joe Klein makes the point of the e-mailers with the above questions. After alkl, where are his ad hominem attacks directed at liberals who were named to the Time 100?

It’s ok earljr. This post by Joe Klein is actually a clarification on his part. He simply meant when he said and I shall quote Joe Klein here “All Americans are dumb and stupid” end-quote.
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Now in a fit to change what he has already said in the recent past, our esteemed Mr Klein is now just calling “people who agree with them”, (Republicans, Conservatives and Tea Party Folks), “wing-nutty dumb and stupid people”.
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Man, I suppose TIME.com and TIME, inc is really happy that Joe Klein has just insulted over 1/2 of the US population. Do I have this right Joe Klein?
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I will venture a guess Joe Klein will also be seeking out other employment like Karen Tumulty did recently. Is the National Enquirer hiring these days Joe?

Did he dedicate a song to all the…Alaska “females” (vis-a-vis Nashville…er, “females”)? “Wang Dang Sweet Something-or-other”?

Stop trying to be “balanced”? You’re a funny one, darius3.

Time (Magazine) — Circulation: 3,400,000 per week (within the U.S.)
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Glenn Beck – Average audience: 2,100,000 (down 30% from last year)
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And the winner is….

“We haven’t had a government that represents us for over 200 years.”

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Gee, northpole, did you steal that line from Michele Obama???

“effeminate”
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Gay jokes? Does your mom know you’re using the computer?

A post that is just trolling for comments.
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So silly.

What did he win, Johnny?
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Darn sure ain’t a new mindset.

“Is the National Enquirer hiring these days Joe?”
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Actually Rusty, I was going to ask you that, given that you are in the rumor business these days…

Hey, momentomori,
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What about the audiences of the other meth addled wingnuts? Are they losing ground, too? Am I just hoping against hope here for what possibly might be a trend?

If Michelle Obama made that statement (no tiny url rumor links, please!), she may have been referring to the course of events in past US history…
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And if that is the case, Rusty, then I don’t think you could dispute that statement.

The effeminate and strange-looking Joe Klein

You have a serious problem with projection. You constantly refer to various posters as “effeminate” while making other comments about their sexuality.
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Is there maybe something you want to tell us? Don’t worry, we won’t hold it against you.
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Psychological Projection

Psychological projection or projection bias (including Freudian Projection) is the unconscious act of denial of a person’s own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, the government, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have those feelings

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2951855/Nasa-Evidence-of-life-on-mars.html
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Breaking News:

“Nasa: Evidence of life on Mars”

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Nasa believes that life is on Mars in the form of POND SCUM.
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Joe Klein a genetic match for pond scum has also just announced TIME Magazine is a “Left-wing Rag “.
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Now who is lying? Nasa or Joe Klein?

TIME said good bye to the Luce days a while back. I really don’t want a left wing or right wing magazine. How about a magazine where conservative, liberal, progressive, and all other views have a place. Conservatives have made a valuable contribution to political discourse over the year, as have Liberals. I am not sure the current crop at the Weekly Standard or NRO are Conservatives. What we need is honest reporting tethered to a fact base; and opinions that draw on evidence. For the rest Rushbo is always on hand.

“Self-taught, he’s become America’s professor of common sense, sharing earnestly sought knowledge with an audience hungry for truth. Glenn, 46, tackles topics other news shows would regard as arcane. Consider his desire to teach Americans about the history of the progressive movement: he’s doing to progressive what Ronald Reagan did to liberal — explaining that it’s a damaged brand.”

Old style conservatism was in favor of preserving the best of the past. It preached a sort of organic theory of history that argued that things are the way they are because of the wisdom gained over the ages. For example, in the past “common sense” was associated directly with logic and other forms of rational expression. But now conservatives have a new meaning for common sense. Today, common sense is associated with the use of false analogies, insults, guilt by association, the creation of straw men and other forms of irrational reasoning, the opposite of clear thinking.

If transforming conservative thinking from a logical process into one that features the search for new forms of ignorance is a great achievement, then Beck and Palin are influential, and deserve to be in the list, in the same way Ivana Trump has been influential on dramatic literature. They have taken common sense and stood it on it’s head.

Bravo.

Sarah had better be careful and keep her girls far away from the ‘Nugent. He has a thing for the young ones.

53, your smugness clearly identifies you for what you are. ignorant, but in denial. The framers of our constitution did not want to create a theocracy, but clearly intended for God to be our foundation. They instructed George Washington to proclaim “thanks be to God” for the creation of our nation and prayer was an integral part of each government function. Any student of American history has these facts ingrained, but some, like you, choose to ignore them. Left wing intellectualism? nothing but a fable.

Joe Klein is such a stupid, leftist moron that he actually declared that he had no idea that Time magazine political activist Jay Carney (husband of the execrable, militant, leftist political activist Claire Shipman) was a Democrat until Carney went to work for the hair-plugged buffoon Biden. Boys and girls, that’s stupidity. Klein probably still thinks that former Time magazine political activist Nina “I want to give a bj to Boy Clinton because he loves abortion as much as I do” Burleigh might be a “Republican”.

Not to be a jerk about this but is it really right to have Palin writing about Beck when Palin clearly stands to gain financially from Beck’s good will and popularity?

earljr1:
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I’m dead on, and here is the proof
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state#United_States
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http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am1

Oh, here earljr1, in case you try to divert:
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US Constitution First Amendment
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

earljr1:
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You looze.
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Hard

earljr1:
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You are one stupid focker…

earljr1:
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Here.
http://www.usconstitution.net/constnotes.html#Am1
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You are one really, really stupid focker, aren’t you?

I’m done. Sorry I had to rap his knuckles with that ruler. But US History is important and he obviously didn’t do his homework…
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Earljr1 can go home now…

53, you have proven my point…ignorance, personified. I clearly indicated that the framers DID NOT want to create a theocracy. If you are a student of history, read ANY of the public addresses made by our founding fathers and they all started by giving thanks to God…why is that so hard to understand, 53? A clear reference that we were founded as a Christian nation, but with individual freedom to worship WITHOUT government interference or prosecution. America is STILL a Christian nation, regardless of how hard people like you and Joe Klein try to dismiss that fact. We will be heard from, 53, this anti-Christian garbage is going to motivate us like no other. Talk about incentive to vote? Keep spewing your hate messages.

How true that is.

We are primarily a Christian nation in that the majority of religions are Christian.
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Hoever, you stupid focker, this is patently not true!
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“They instructed George Washington to proclaim “thanks be to God” for the creation of our nation and prayer was an integral part of each government function.”
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Go home. Do your homework.

Kevin: The prophets of doom will soon be swoping to post on this thread soon. Their tentacles will be touching the ooze that comes from Drudge, Beck, and Politico and they will slime their way here. Hear that squish?

Joe, thank you for including Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. As you pointed out, computer gaming is an industry as big as Hollywood but without the celebrity which means that millions of people derive entertainment from it and yet are generally faceless. Without this, gamers too often are perceived as pasty chubby loners who are one cheetohs bag away from going Columbine. For years, Mike and Jerry have been the face that should have been presented. Sure, they’re pasty and (one of them is) chubby but they demonstrate that a passionate love for games doesn’t make a person fundamentally disconnected and indecent. Their charity is not just theirs alone: it’s the collection of personal contributions from thousands and thousands of people who play a game from time to time but also want to give to their local children’s hospital. Mike and Jerry are this voice for the humane but fun-loving among us. Rather than let us gamers be defined in the negative by the likes of Jack Thompson, thank you Time and Joe Klein for spot lighting two of the industry’s best role models.

Oh, btw, earljr1, I’m a Christian.
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But I am also not stupid. I learned my history. And you can’t “take the country back”. Why?
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Look at the constitution…

Just a small addendum 53, I think you have some serious mental issues. Get some help.

“First they will ignore you. Then they will laugh at you. Then they will call you names. Then you fart. Then, you know you have won.”
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I made two corrections Rusty.
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One, the quotes were placed entirely outside the punctuation because, since you modified it, it is not Mahatma Gandhi’s quote.
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Two, I modified it for greater accuracy.

Thanks, earljr1. Next time, come to class prepared.

Good afternoon, earljr,

For my part, freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. The Founding Fathers knew that making any religious group dominant that meant citizens who were not of that group would be treated as somehow less than equal. It doesn’t take a literal theocracy to create that inequality, just a religious entity that feels it’s their country more than anybody elses. No matter how you slice it, a “Christian nation” means that non-Christians are second class citizens, or perhaps not citizens at all. That’s not what the Founders intended.

“Gay jokes? Does your mom know you’re using the computer?”

Being effeminate does not necessarily mean that someone is gay. That you conflate the two tells us much about you.

diecash1:

“You have a serious problem with projection. You constantly refer to various posters as “effeminate” while making other comments about their sexuality.”

Wow, the point of my comment went completely over the heads of the moonbats. Why am I not surprised? If brains were chocolate, the average liberal would be unable to fill an M&M.

http://www.sinsofthehusband.com

However.. Why did the TEA PARTY PROTESTS not make it into the year in pictures.. they do exist and they are A LARGE part of the political scene.. and YET the left has their heads in the sand figuring IF they don’t see them they don’t exist or are not important..

Now as for Palin being a know nothing.. hummmmm.. that would depend she knows more and is more honest than most Politicians we have in the W.H. now..LOL.. and I am not a supporter.. just really honest..

As for Glen Beck your a hoot.. this man can do what NOT one other newspaper of magazine can.. REPORT what’s REALLY going on.. since all the so called journalist are such wimps they are to scared to do any real work and would not know a real story with real importance if it bit them.. besides they wouldn’t admit the chosen one is not so great after all.. You go Times.. your amusing with you insignificant stories.. Nice try at being with the big boy..he puts you to shame and now that should make YOU cry..

Glen Beck can only be said to be in possession of reality in the sense that one can be intentionally directed toward objects, that though they don’t exist in the real world, do exist as content in one’s conscious life. Imaginary objects, possibly caused by an imbalance in certain brain chemicals. He probably experiences real fear toward the array of imaginary objects that populate his consciousness.

Oh yes, you’re quite right. We bow to your utter brilliance.
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You consistently make cracks about JK and various posters being “effeminate” and it’s us that don’t have a clue? Riiiiiiiight.
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Perhaps you could post something on point with that massive intellect of yours. Give it a shot. I’d love to hear a cogent argument versus your constant projection.

If you are a student of history, read ANY of the public addresses made by our founding fathers and they all started by giving thanks to God…why is that so hard to understand, 53? A clear reference that we were founded as a Christian nation, but with individual freedom to worship WITHOUT government interference or prosecution.

Woww.. According to you:
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God == Jesus H Christ only ??
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America is STILL a Christian nation, regardless of how hard people like you and Joe Klein try to dismiss that fact.

Well, demographically speaking, Yes, America is a Christian nation. But thankfully, not all christians are crazy bigots like you, who keep claiming that Obama is a muslim (Like that old lady who told McCain that Obama is an Arab).

Religion is the last refuge of crazy Repug wingnuts

You said it perfectly!!
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From my college theology classes, with a Catholic nun, this is exactly what the Fathers were striving to accomplish–a nation that guaranteed a freedom of, as well as a freedom from religion.

This isn’t an either or Rusty, but you could use a little schoolerizing in paleontology:
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The “pond scum” is a freshwater feature. Mostly advanced organisms like diatoms and testate algae as well as some protists.
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NASA is referring to conditions that might have existed on earth some 4,200 to 3,800 MYa (Million Years Ago). These were likely high temperature brackish environments where, since no advanced life existed (like the above referred to life forms), the primary means of getting along was autotrophy – in other words, “self feeders”.
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Self feeders are those that metabolize using iron, sulfur and other elements as metabolic catalysts using the sun’s rays. Somewhat different than photosynthesis, but otherwise similar in mechanics. The pond scum reference is simply jargon for the fact that there was no free oxygen, and no ozone layer to stop UV from damaging organisms living in the photic zones. They protected themselves with slimes and other cements, often building limestone houses called stromatolites.

what makes a political media outlet a ___ wing rag is relentlessly advocating a totally uncompromising political ideology and never dealing, in any serious way, with the objections or offerings of other competing ideologies. they’re most distinguishing features are absolute certainty about their opinions and about the absolute stupidity and cruel intentions of those with different views.
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obviously then, these outlets will NEVER develop the widespread influence you speak of. they will only appeal to those who already hate those of other opinions. this EXCLUDES anyone who knows and respects people on that demonized side.

apr2563, sorry but this is why most of the country doesn’t share your respect for the likes of Olberman and why it will stay that way.

its not really the right wing media calling TIME a rag. in fact, a couple years ago i remember O’Reilly saying he thought time was making the best effort to be fair.
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its the people that send emails to Joe Klein. those with radical views are much more likely to be activists and spam these message boards and Joe’s mailbox with outrageous accusations. its like feedback at a store. you don’t hear from NORMAL customers, only really angry ones or really happy ones.

earl, you espouse your Christianity a lot. Are you telling me that you would have stopped to help that man in NYC if you’d have passed by, or even done what he did and risked your life as he did when he saw a woman getting mugged? I don’t know if he was Christian, but he did far more any professed Christian I know. He did far more than the dozens of people who walked over him as he was dying on the sidewalk.
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Common decency and care for our follow man is far more important than worrying about what religion they practice, if they practice one at all. I, for one, am fed up with all organized religions. If one looks hard enough there is corruption at the upper levels of all of them–and religion is no place for politics. Just like politics is no place for religion.

Yep, Klein is at my level: an anonymous Internet poster. I’ll accept that.
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Of course, he wrote a book “anonymously” and then lied about it, so this is no surprise.

So, why, then, did we name weepy paranoid-infotainer Glenn Beck to the Time 100? And more to the point, why did we have Her Know-nothingness Sarah Palin (Another honoree!) write about the wingnut blubber? Well, they are influential, which is all that matters here.

Uh, yeah right, Joe. The influence is what matters, and that’s all that matters. In the immortal words of Col. Sherman Potter: “Horsehockey!” You seemed to think none of us will remember that the 2007 TIME 100 list excluded a fellow by the name of — darn, what was it? Oh yeah: GEORGE W. BUSH.

You all decided the Leader of The Free World somehow wasn’t “influential” enough of a leader to make the cut, but that the following were: Hillary Clinton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Ayatollah Khamenei, Michael Bloomberg, Raul Castro, Queen Elizabeth II (!), Nancy Pelosi, and, of course, Osama bin Laden. (I haven’t checked the entire list for 2010 — is that fresh, clean Obama fellow on it?) No number of Republicans and/or conservatives on subsequent annual lists will blot out that indelible stain lending empirical credibility to the claim of your rag’s ragginess.

So why are they REALLY on the list? Because Beck & Palin mean sales, even of TIME. Beck has produced top-selling books in several genres, he has one of the most watched shows on cable television, and has the third-highest listenership in talk radio. And your own publishers conceded that they received a monumental amount of snail mail after the issue with the unflattering portrait on the cover.

Sarah Palin has sold twice as many copies of Going Rogue in half a year as you sold of your 1996 book Primary Colors to date, Joe-nonymous. She’s the second-most admired woman in the nation according to polls, she is in demand as a featured speaker (contrary to predictions nobody would pay thousands to hear her speak), she gave lagging TV queen Oprah her highest rating in over two years when she came on her show, and she has raised the profile and power of the Tea Party movement (while not claiming leadership of it) to a national force that you can no longer ignore no matter how much you try.

And they deserve their due, by people who agree with them…I suppose. But it must be said: the America they claim to represent is not only a fantasy, but a third-rate, mingy, boring, hate-filled “Christian” place. (I placed “Christian” in quotes because the Jesus of the Sermon on the Mount would have been appalled by the inhumane exclusivity of that obnoxious claim.)

Setting aside for the moment, Mr. Klein, that you are creating your own “obnoxious” characterization of your opponents and pretending that they would agree with it — specifically by what is you presume “Jesus of the Sermon on the Mount” would be “appalled”? Are the words “inhumane exclusivity” supposed to be self-explanatory, Joe? They’re not. You’re just throwing a phrase out there, not bothering to explain it, and hoping your readers will fill in the blanks with their own embedded prejudices.

I hope Glenn and Sarah come to the Time 100 dinner next week and meet some of the cosmopolitian (sic), intellectual, multi-racial and hopey-changey folks assembled there from all over the world. They may learn a thing or two.

Of course, Joe. They may learn a thing or two. Or maybe, Joe, just maybe — some of the other guests might learn something. For example, Nancy Pelosi might get a history lesson from Beck that the Great Depression was so-called because it was long and severe, not because people enjoyed going through it (Then perhaps Glenn can explain to Nancy the terms “Civil War” or “Jumbo Shrimp”). Or Pelosi might learn from Palin that people will trust you more, give you higher approval ratings, and care enough about you to buy your book if you shoot straight with your constituents, don’t claim ignorance and/or hide details of pending legislation, or make backroom deals while claiming to be increasing transparency.

Finally, Mr. Klein: You seem to think that hate is coming from Palin and Beck. You’ve got it backwards. True to the Sermon on The Mount you referenced earlier, both Beck and Palin are on record: They don’t hate President Obama; they pray for him. On the other hand, you hate the two of them, and you prey on them.

Nicely done, Smithee. But your basic premise is flawed — you assumed that Joe Klein might actually learn something from being schooled by you.
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But behind his massive ego, there’s nothing. No real intellect, just the ability to jot down a few talking points. A week or two ago he visited Afghanistan, and now he styles himself as a military genius. Why, he knows more than Max Boot, who’s lectured at the Army War College and the Command and General Staff College. Naturally Joe knows economics better than the economists, history better than the historian, and politics better than the political scientists. He is truly a jack of all trades and a master of all trades. (sic)
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When other media figures make blunders like Joe Klein, they usually get reprimanded or suspended — sometimes fired, but not always. This never happens to Joe, he can say anything about anyone. And, he has his own little cheering section right here.

It’s always amusing when your points are supposedly refuted by profane kids who cite Wikipedia.

Today, common sense is associated with the use of false analogies, insults, guilt by association, the creation of straw men and other forms of irrational reasoning, the opposite of clear thinking.

Well, then! It’s a good thing you’re reading Joe Klein, who NEVER does any of that.

It’s even funnier when an amendment to our Constitution, namely the First Amendment, is copied and pasted, verbatim, as in 18.10, and totally ignored, as in 18.16.
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You flunk too. Go back to school.

I am a physician, erie, so helping that man would have been a natural reflex. I would also be praying that God help me staunch the flow of blood and help me preserve this man’s life. Does this shock you? Well it should not. Helping those in need is simply applying Christian doctrine and praying for divine assistance is our admission that we need God’s intervention in matters sometimes beyond our control. I am not ashamed of my Christianity, Erie, nor am I ashamed of admitting my human frailty and faults. Try it sometimes, you might be surprised at the power it gives you.

You know what earljr1?
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18.10 and 18.16 remain a monument to your inability to respect the Constitution of the United States. Your statement, copied from your original post at 18, directly contradicts the First Amendment, copied verbatim, from the Constitution of the United States.
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Now something has to give here, and I can safely say that it won’t be our treasured Constitution.
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And, further, I don’t think anyone ever questioned your Christianity. No siree!
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Any more than they have questioned the Ayatollah’s adherence to Islam…

“I am not ashamed of my Christianity, Erie, nor am I ashamed of admitting my human frailty and faults.”
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Here. I’ll admit that I was insulting and will apologize for being so. I apologize for being insulting without conditions, I was out of line.
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But now, let’s put your claim (in bold) to the test.
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Hint:
18 (your claim)
18.10 (verbatim from the First Amendment, US Consitution)
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53-3,
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Your above comments show a serious intelligence deficit.
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A large majority of Americans are Christians and that makes us primarily a Christian Nation. That’s the same for a country where a majority are Moslems. That makes them primarily a Moslem Nation.

Your misinterpretation of American History only shows your ignorance.
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Unlike many countries of the world, other minority religions do have the rights in the USA to practice their faith without any interference for the government or the majority Christian religion.
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That’s one of the things that makes the USA the greatest country in the world.
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Like a broken record you keep saying you won but you have not won a rational argument yet.
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Your views are too far out on the extreme edge. Maybe Earl is right when he diagnosed you as needing psychiatric care. After all he is a doctor.

3xfire3:
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With all your hot air blowing, it’s pretty hard to stand up straight.
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Since you claim that i had no proof (A verbatim copy of the First Amendment wording is no? Wow!), then perhaps you would grace us all with the reconciliation between his statement at 18, and the wording of the First Amendment linked to in 18.9 and copied verbatim at 18.10.
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Show me!

I agree. TIME is not a Left Wing Rag.
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It is a Progressive Rag.
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Certainly not a Magazine that give any balanced news.
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TIME’s Motto is ” It’s Either Obama’s Way Or The Highway”.

53-3,
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As any rational, intelligent person knows, the written word can be interpreted in different ways. The point of the first amendment is that the Government should not support or impose a religion.
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That has nothing to do with the FACT that a majority of Americans are Christians and we are therefor primarily a Christian Nation.
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I am now finished discussing this issue with you. You are not a rational person.

I know of only one opened minded Liberal who comments on Swampland.

Moment,
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2,100,000 times 6 shows per week equals 12,600,000 viewers per week. That’s a larger number than TIME’s 3,600.000 viewers per week.
Now if we look at the fact that FOX News programs are on 24 hours per day 7 days per week we come up with approx 200,000,000 viewers per week.
That’s a lot more than TIME.

Our founding fathers came from a country that had a state religion that answered to the King. People were forced to be apart of that religion.
Religion was very important to them and they wanted every American to be free to worship or not worship their own choice of religion.
This is in no way contradictory to the fact that a majority of Americans have chosen to be Christians.
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So a statement that says America is primarily a Christian Nation is simply a statement of fact. Not a lot different than saying a majority of the citizens of France are of French heritage.
Stop trying to make this an issue of importance. It is simply a statement of fact. No more no less.
To keep arguing the point only gives the impression that you are anti Christian. I hope that is not true.

Earljr1,
Please excuse 53-3 for his name calling and rants. He is a hopeless idiot.
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I try hard not to call people names but with 53 it’s very hard to describe him without using words such as idiot.
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His need to use foul language has earned him the nick name of IQ53 which is probably a little generous in that his true IQ is probably a negative number.
Sometimes it’s best to just ignore him. He is totally irrational and therefor not worth the time to debate.