Today In Blogfights: Will Sarah Palin Run?

There are some delicious contretemps going on over at Atlantic.com, home of the mega-watt blogger. Joshua Green doesn’t think Palin will run for president. Andrew Sullivan does. But that’s not all. Sullivan accuses Green of dangerous complacency, and willful myopia.

[W]here the f— have you been this past year?

It doesn’t matter whether she’s uneducated, unprincipled, unaware and unscrupulous. The more she’s proven incapable of the presidency, the more her supporters believe she is destined for it. It’s a brilliant little gig she’s devised. She may be ignorant, but she is not stupid. She has the smarts of all accomplished pathological liars and phonies. And this time, she will not even bother to go on any television outlets other than Fox News. She will be the first presidential nominee never to have had a press conference.

I have edited the above passage to meet Swampland’s less-than-Puritan standards. Sullivan concludes by saying, “Josh can dream all he wants.” Kapow! Green responds in kind:

I know saying so goes against standard blogger bromides about the “corrupt mainstream media” and its boundless capacity for evil, and I know it threatens Andrew’s view of himself as a lonely, embattled tribune and bulwark against the global menace of Palinism–I’m no fan either–but it must be said that for all its faults the media is doing a perfectly fine job of covering Palin and her sundry shortcomings, and has been since the day she flubbed her first interview. No, we haven’t uncovered the Trig stuff (we’re leaving that for Andrew). But basing one’s terrified fantasies of a Palin presidency on the press suddenly swooning and giving her a free pass indicates either disingenuousness or an acute lack of imagination.

Not that you asked, but I find Green’s arguments much more convincing. The press would not go easy on Palin, she still polls terribly despite her media stardom, and it seems that there is little upside to trying to lead a ticket–with all its ancillary limitations and agonies–when you can wield power behind the curtain. But let me add one more observation. We–the media, me, Green, Sullivan, many of you blog readers–are fascinated by this question. Palin is popular catnip. If you want to sell cereal, call in Palin Pops. If you want to “win the news cycle” find some way to get Palin in the headline. The question is whether this power has electoral potential, or whether it more closely tracks other pop-culture entertainment stories with addictive properties–the latest infidelity of Athlete X or the latest club outings of Pop Star Y or whatever the last thing that the woman with eight kids did.

This debate boils down to an interesting question of analysis: Is Palin’s popularity of the political or entertainment variety, is it People Magazine or TIME magazine? (People tends to outsell TIME at the newsstand, but a People cover matters far less in an election year than a TIME cover.) The reason this is such a tough question to figure is that so much of the political debate now is driven by self-described entertainers–Jon Stewart, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck. We don’t know where politics ends and entertainment begins. Either this is a permanent shift in the electoral landscape or a media fad that helps sell overpriced gold coins to gullible political ideologues. The personal attacks aside, this is the issue that Green and Sullivan are debating.

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  • nflfoghorn

    “home of the mega-watt blogger”
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    Home of the Whopper??

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Is Palin’s popularity of the political or entertainment variety, is it People Magazine or TIME magazine.

    Yes. If Palin runs, it will be a business (and ego) decision. I think she will, and it will be interesting to watch her throw red meat to her howler monkey base while at the same time keeping one foot inside establishment discourse. As her ‘endorsement’ of John McCain showed (haven’t seen such a toxic combination of hatred, revenge, and dysfunctional political co-dependency since Joe Lieberman had to smile and eat a shite sandwich while the dirty dirty sex-man Bill Clinton saved his arse back in ’06) Palin is a Republican before she’s Tea Partier.

    I’m glad Sullivan is keeping a spotlight on just how poisonous Palin’s discourse is (as opposed to the non-entertaining “journalist” Mika Brezinski of “liberal” MSNBC, who tells me that Palin speaks for “real Americans”), but he vastly overestimates her chances when votes are counted. Even her supporters, IIRC, say she’s not ready for the White House. She’ll eventually endorse Pawlenty.

    by self-described entertainers–Jon Stewart, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck.

    Very fair and balanced of you, but one of these things is not quite like the others.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Back before the Soviet Union imploded, a popular way to ask if someone was qualified to be President was to ask “Would you want their finger on ‘the button’?” I think that most Americans safely agree that Palin has no business within 1 mile of the White House.
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    However, even confined to the Swamp here, we can see that based on thread length, Sarah is the proverbial ‘shiny object’ that everyone finds irresistible. Even the people who know she’s an idiot nevertheless succumb to the urge to point it out as if it makes a difference. Bear in mind however that she is probably the reason McCain lost. Given a choice, most people prefer to have adults in charge of the particularly important decisions.

  • gysgt213

    “Palin is popular catnip.”

    Michael I too find Green’s arugment more convincing.
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    But I have to ask why the media finds the need to act like TMZ when it comes to Sarah Palin?

  • kbanginmotown

    But let me add one more observation. We–the media, me, Green, Sullivan, many of you blog readers–are fascinated by this question. Palin is popular catnip. If you want to sell cereal, call in Palin Pops. If you want to “win the news cycle” find some way to get Palin in the headline.

    Any chance the Swamp can prove Michael wrong and keep this post under 10 comments?

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer

    But TMZ doesn’t drive people to the polls. (Sorry KBang.)

  • gysgt213

    And neither does Time Mag. What’s your point?

  • square1

    Actually, they are both right. They are just talking around each other. They key is to realize that Palin has multiple flaws. She is not just ignorant and unqualified. She is also lazy.

    Sully is correct that the political and media landscape has changed, such that a charismatic but incompetent celebrity-boob could now be elected President. Incompetence is not standing in the way of a Palin presidency.

    Green is correct that Palin is too lazy and greedy for a quick payday to run and serve as President.

    I would argue that we should still heed Sullivan’s warnings about not being complacent. We will not always be blessed with lazy demogogues. Sooner or later we will get a Palin with real hustle.

    Idiocracy, here we come. Sponsored by Brawndo.

  • queencersei

    In the end if Sarah does choose to run, it won’t be the evil ‘lamestream media’ or the dems who do her in. The ones who come after her with the sharpest knives will be her fellow Republicans. The beat down she would take in the Republican Primary would make the Hilary/Obama match-up look like a genteel tea party.

  • jbaustian

    What must drive Andrew Sullivan especially crazy is that Sarah Palin really is more qualified to be president than he is… and not just because he is foreign-born.
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    I am somewhat ashamed to admit that I used to read his blog almost daily. It was a long time ago, and he’s the one who changed, not me.

  • 70northsullivan

    Since we’re still under 10 comments-
    Agreed. And I think Sully’s (no relation) point is not just that the MSM hasn’t insisted on a proper vetting (and I don’t think it has) but that Palin herself simply refuses to subject herself to the kind of scrutiny (by avoiding anything resembling an actual interview) that would once and for all blow the cover off of her act. And given her enormous ego, a call to run in 2012 might be impossible for her to resist. And that’s scary, because even if she lost, as she most certainly would, her campaign would further polarize the political landscape. You think the teapartyers are scary now?

  • 70northsullivan

    agreed with square 1, that is!

  • centfan

    “We don’t know where politics ends and entertainment begins.”
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    You’re right there Michael. You really don’t. You really, really, really don’t.
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    See also; “leadership ends and popularity posturing begins”; “truth ends and spin begins” ; “common good ends and con game begins”… et al…

  • textee

    Andrew Sullivan? That nut job leftist conspiracy theorist and teabagging fundamentalist homosexualist, who for years has been promoting his whack job conspiracy theory that Sarah Palin’s youngest son is not her son but instead is her grandson, is the go-to source for the self-described “reality based community” (i.e., the fantasy based freakshow).

  • m0mentom0ri

    Texter, please define “teabagging fundamentalist homosexualist”.

  • destor23

    What’s the difference between Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck?

    Lipstick.

  • jsfox

    Textee, I’m sure you have been warned about blogging while off your meds. If not, don’t do it.

  • newfreedomblog

    While the left loons shout, froth at the mouth and overall just melt down at the mere mention of Sarah Palin, the fact that they elected Barack Obama as President with no amount of experience or even knowledge is equally just as outrageous and laughable.
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    I find it not only hypocritical but amazing that a former “Community Organizer” is now Commander in Chief and President of the United States of America. Please do tell us how you all came to that decision to elect this man President? Was it his connections with Bill Ayers? His association with Jeremiah Wright that made your minds up? Perhaps it was his less than one term as a US Senator, which he spent nearly all of that time out on the campaign trail trying to get elected.
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    What experience and qualifications did you base your decision to vote for Barack Obama? I can’t wait to see the answer.

  • queencersei

    Personally, I looked at the alternative and just couldn’t go there.

  • centfan

    “While the right loons shout, froth at the mouth and overall just melt down at the mere mention of Obama, the fact that they nominated Palin as Vice President with no amount of experience or even knowledge is equally just as outrageous and laughable.”
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    That’s what you meant. You’re welcome.

  • destor23

    You got me, it was his connections with Bill Ayers. I’m not going to vote for somebody who doesn’t even know Bill Ayers, I mean how out of the loop can you get? His association with Jeremiah Wright only somewhat swayed me. Honestly, I worried that the time he spent with Wright was a waste of quality time he could have been spending with Ayers.

  • northpoleresident

    Sarah Palin could not handle one term as governor of Alaska. Really? Alaska was to tough for you?

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Your argument is self-defeating. If “experience and qualifications” are your criteria, I assume you supported Bill Richardson in 2008? (and that you think James Buchanan was our greatest president–seen that guy’s CV?) RIchardson had the broadest and most varied resume of any primary candidate in either party. I don’t oppose or dislike Palin because of her skimpy resume, but because she is 1) profoundly stupid and 2) a mean-spirited and toxic presence in American politics.

  • northpoleresident

    The right elected Reagan and Bush the second. The only way to top Bush would be Palin. Never underestimate the premium the right places on ignorance and stupidity as qualities they admire. They actively seek out the uneducated and unaware.

  • destor23

    Honestly, I think it came down to this: Alaska’s ethics rules wouldn’t have allowed her to do the kind of high end book tour that you need to do to sell a book you get a $7 million advance on. She had half a million in legal fees and was supporting a large family on the relatively modest governor’s salary of $125k a year (modest when you owe your lawyers half a mill, anyway).

    So she quit, took the advance delivered the book that her readers wanted and set her and her family up for life. I can forgive her that.

  • Matt

    Why would Sarah Palin embarrass herself with a presidential run when she’s pulling in $12 million every six months as someone who lectures on politics from Facebook?

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • northpoleresident

    If she quit as governor then she is also capable of quitting as President if the position became tougher than she expected. Which it most certainly would.

  • newfreedomblog

    And who did the left elect? Oh, that’s right first Carter, now that was a winner to say the least. Then Clinton, of course it took almost 20 years for the average voter to forget about Carter. And now Obama.
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    Will the next 20 years have to go by before memories fade, and another Democrat is elected as President? You better hopw Palin is elected as the next President after Obama, that is the left’s only hope.
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    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • destor23

    @northpoleresident: Agree entirely. Only saying that I don’t think she quit because it was too hard. She quit because she wanted to be a millionaire. Which is fine. She can be rich. But she can never be president.

    Are you Santa?

  • bobell

    A few things, Rusty, among which are:

    He’s a lot smarter than I am. I went to the same law school many years earlier and did well. He did fantastically. Top of his class, president of the law review. That made him just about the number one graduate from any American law school that year. He could have made a fortune in private practice, but he went back to Chicago and entered politics at the very bottom.
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    He can think and write in large bites. His first book is beautifully organized and written (I say that, I confess, as one who has read large chunks but never the whole book). He knows important matters in important detail.
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    He takes on important issues. His signature issue in the Senate was getting nuclear material under control world-wide. He’s still working on it, making progress.
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    I agree with his politics. Well, you asked, and that was part of it. Despite the astounding quantities of bullsh!t spread by the rightwingnuts, he’s a man with a sound understanding of problems and a serious desire to remedy them. He seeks bipartisanship and compromise wiith the Rs, but he’ll go ahead without them if he feels they’re obstructing what needs doing. Yes, he’s a political animal. Name the last president who wasn’t. Washington, maybe?
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    No, he’s not a saint. He made mistakes before running, and he’s made them since getting elected. And given the opposition ticket — well, as queencersi said a lot more succinctly, look at the alternative. The McCain of 1980 might have gotten my vote. The weary and wearisome old man who ran in 2008 and picked Sarah Palin, of all people, as running mate wouldn’t have received my vote if the Ds had put up Dukakis or even McGovern. In contrast, I can’t think of a single R whom I’d have preferred to Obama. If they’d run Jesus Christ, I’d have voted for Obama … but then I’m Jewish.
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    I know you don’t see the world as I do, Rusty. If we’re lucky we do no more than talk past each other. But you asked why I voted for Obama, and now you have my answer. By definition, nothing you say will change my mind; I’ve already voted. Let’s move on.

  • textee

    momentomori,

    A teabagging fundamentalist homosexualist is a militant homosexual activist, like Andrew Sullivan, who calls the pro-America community “teabaggers” (i.e., someone who practices something that is evidently favored by Andrew Sullivan and other teabagging fundamentalist homosexualists).

  • adamjd

    My question is… how does she get out of running? I don’t think she has any interest in actually being President, but instead just continuing to raise money and fame by preaching to the choir over and over. But the more this goes on and she plays the part of campaigning against Obama over the next 2 years, how does she back away and say she’s not interested without looking hypocritical? I know it’s a pointless question to ask. Her people will believe any and every reason she comes up with (family?), and just blame the rest of us for being biased. But really, just pretending for once that there is some small level of rational thinking out there in the public realm, how does she delicately get out of this one?

  • http://www.twitter.com/jnsmall Jay Newton-Small

    What Michael has omitted in this post is that we have been having a similar (though far less acrimonious) debate. I play the Andrew Sullivan role and he Josh Green…. I think she’ll totally run — there’s no down side for her and it just raises her profile. Scherer thinks she won’t.
    JNS

  • destor23

    Nobody ever suffered for not running for president. You just say “it’s not right for my family” and be done with it. Or, if you’re Palin you can even say something like “I’m more powerful outside the system than within it” and continue your business as an agitator.

  • destor23

    Going with Scherer on this. We should have it out on Swampland when the time is right. Vote here everybody!

  • newfreedomblog

    “I agree with his politics. Well, you asked, and that was part of it. Despite the astounding quantities of bullsh!t spread by the rightwingnuts, he’s a man with a sound understanding of problems and a serious desire to remedy them.”

    .
    So basically you agree with my initial summary, that all Obama had prior to being elected was a sheep’s skin degree from Harvard Law, where he was the “Editor” (cough) of the Harvard Law Review. Again, please point me to any writings he had as an “editor”, I would love to read his opinions. Oh that’s right, there isn’t any. Funny how that is, don’t you think bobell?

    “One thing Obama did not do while with the review was publish any of his own work. Campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said Obama didn’t write any articles for the Review, though his two semesters at the helm did produce a wide range of edited case analyses and unsigned “notes” from Harvard students.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11257_Page2.html
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    Oh yes, and his book writing skills. Did you read Sarah’s book yet, bobell? I guess basing your vote on how well a book is written these days is tantamount on basing your decision to vote yes or no on someone to be President. No wonder so many are writing books these days to hawk like the snake oil salesmen of the past. I suppose this is a new Presidential requirement.
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    But, I digress, sorry. So when he said during the campaign, “we have to spread the wealth, Joe”, you agreed? When he said we should “appease Iran” you agreed? When he said “I will close Gitmo down in my first year in office”, you actually thought he would do it? When he said the “surge wouldn’t work in Iraq, and I will bring the troops home” you fell for his line of bullcrap, do I have that much right so far?
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    Again, I do appreciate your honesty, but a little more clairfication on what exactly led you to base your vote on this complete IDIOT’S qualifications to be President would be appreciated.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Is Palin’s popularity of the political or entertainment variety, is it People Magazine or TIME magazine?
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    Joe Klein isn’t sure there’s much difference. I think he might have a point.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    I agree with Scherer too. Jay is correct that it’s close to a zero-downside move for her, but I don’t see her wanting to make the effort.
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    Level of confidence: 78%.

  • newfreedomblog

    Going with Scherer, Palin will not run for President. She will be a major force however in deciding who is selected to be the Republican candidate. And I believe whomever she endorses will be the Republican nominee.

  • adamjd

    Right, but in her case she shot that excuse to hell by running for VP.

    With all the discussion even now about will she or won’t she run, it will be huge news either way. There’s no graceful, easy exit. Her people will be pleading for her to run, and the rest of us will pick her apart.

  • queencersei

    Scherer. There is too much money to be made in the private sector. Having not to justify her more inflammatory statements is a bonus. I’m not ready to concede that you can run a credible Presidential campaign via just Fox News and Twitter.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Earlier today, you stated CNN is “militantly leftist”. Now, Andrew Sullivan is a “militant” homosexual.
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    I’m not sure that word means what you think it means.
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    However, your expertise on Mr Sullivan’s personal life is quite telling. As is your opinion of anyone who is gay and disagrees with you. Or do you have a uniform opinion of everyone who is gay?

  • freeinpa

    Unfortunately both are examples of entertainment magazines with People being slightly more informative.

    it’s once again fun to see someone like Palin who is so inconsequential, undereducated, not worthy of office draw so much time and attention on nearly a daily basis by the left.

    Either they are wrong in their public pronouncements of her or it gives them a feeling of moral superiority by denigrating someone they can’t begin to understand.

  • theotherjimmyolson

    No, It isn’t.

  • theotherjimmyolson

    For me, it was the exotic nature of his birth in Kenya.

  • newfreedomblog

    freeinpa:
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    If Abraham Lincoln ran for President today the left would undoubtedly not only object, but make him look and sound like a male version of Sarah Palin. His “back woodsy” style I am sure would come across as being “dumb and stupid”.
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    But how was it Obama in his speech in West Virginia seemed to have a twang in his voice as he gave the eulogy for the dead miners? I seemed to have noticed a West Virginia accent when he spoke to those people. Do you suppose he is starting to believe that a folksy, down home-like personality will win him more votes come 2012?

  • grape_crush

    Will Sarah Palin Run?

    It depends. If Palin’s not tpulling the same level of attention as she is now – which affects her income – then she will run for a before dropping out to promote her next business venture.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I think they’re both right. She WILL run. And then – true to form – she’ll drop out halfway through the campaign!

  • bobell

    Rusty –
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    Okay, let’s tease this a bit more.
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    The head person at the HLR is called the “president.” Eveyone on the staff is an “editor.” I don’t read law reviews these days and have no easy way of finding out what work Obama did, so I can’t comment on how well he did his job — except that I doubt he’d have been elected president at the end of his second year of law school if he hadn’t done his job very well that year. In my era, Law Review personnel did’nt get bylines, so it’s possible Obama’s in there anonymously. I haven’t checked on that either, and I’m not worried about it. If you’d gone to HLS, you’d know that he had to be top-notch to get where he got.
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    I didn’t try to cover his entire pre-election resume. I gave you some highlights. Picking at details I omitted scores no points. Nor did I agree with everything he had done to that point, just as I don’t agree with everything he’s done as president. Let’s try to keep this under control.
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    He never said he would “appease” Iran; that was someone else’s misinterpretation of what he did say. He did say “spread the wealth” or something like it, but that was taken out of context and blown far out of proportion. Not that the Ds did any less to McCain. Some of Obama’s campaign promises couldn’t be kept, so he didn’t keep those. I doubt any president has kept all or even most of his campaign promises. And of course I didn’t know when I voted for him (which is what you asked about) how well he’d do on that score. My own view, today, is “not bad.”
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    Yes, I’m a liberal. An old and jaded liberal, and not, I hope, a knee-jerk one. As but one example, I sympathize with Arizona in its efforts to plug a gap the feds show no sign of filling. (I don’t know whether the law is constitutional or not and whether it will do what it’s supposed to do, but I’m prepared to wait and see.) I like to think my views are reality-based, but then I realize that you and freep and jbaus and textee and the rest of the gang feel the same about yours. And just as you can’t understand how someone like me can take Obama’s side without being either an idiot or massively misinformed, so I don’t see how you can stand in opposition the way you do. That gap isn’t going to be bridged. We can try to be civil anyway.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
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    Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
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    But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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    Yeah, he sure had that ‘folksy’ thing down. I think everyone agrees that the “wink” was particularly poigniant.

  • theotherjimmyolson

    I’m going with Jay. Probably because I want her to run.

  • nmp1

    “We–the media, me, Green, Sullivan, many of you blog readers–are fascinated by this question. Palin is popular catnip. If you want to sell cereal, call in Palin Pops. If you want to “win the news cycle” find some way to get Palin in the headline.”

    I’ll call it what it is: dishonest journalism. When you have empirical evidence that close to two thirds of this country has no interest in this woman and doesn’t like her (not just won’t vote for her), the media should be asking itself why are we giving this person so much attention? I guarantee you that the vast majority of Americans are asking themselves that question.

    She’s an extension of or symbolic of the media’s obsession with the so-called Tea Party. Despite plenty of available evidence that this “movement” was exaggerated in size and racially, culturally, and economically monolithic, the mainstream media, also racially, culturally and economically monolithic, tried to convince the world another American revolution was upon us.

    I can’t help but wonder if today’s journalists are just as afraid of the changing demographics of this country as folks like Palin and Tea Partiers and that’s why they are exaggerating the appeal and influence of the aforementioned?

  • theotherjimmyolson

    Wasn’t Lincoln one of those sleazy ambulance chasers?

  • theotherjimmyolson

    I guess not.

  • Commenter 2B named later

    I have to admit it Rusty — as much as I may disagree with your politics, I do adore your insane laughter.

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Put me in JN-S’s column. She’ll run, a Sharpton/Giuliani type run. It’ll be a chance to tour the country, getting that applause and admiration she feeds on, with a new kind of funding that we’ll get her a jet and a new set of underlings, all leading to a prime campaign slot that will, I’ll bet a thousand internet-dollars, backfire on Pawlenty-Jindal like Pat Buchanan’s in ’92

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    This is not a new phenomenon. I seem to remember during the Primaries, a particular obsession over Hillary’s advantage over Obama with White Working Class Voters. All the obsessors on the other hand were college educated journalists who had invested considerable sums on tuition specifically to avoid familiarity with the issues of the White Working Class.

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer

    Not omitted, Jay. I declare my opinion in the post, saying I find Green’s argument more convincing.

  • sodakhic

    It’s great to see the left debate “will she or won’t she” Sullivan is right about Palin political power. It’s amazing that a little woman from nowhere is ruling the political debate. Reagan. Bush,Goldwater, probably Nixon were all considered dumb(by the left) and ready to blow up the world. Palin is much more outspoken, conservative wise, than all those men combined,well maybe not Goldwater, so it is understandable the left is freaking out, With her beauty and cutting edge smile, she skewers Obama and spouts her religious, anti-abortion, capitalist views.If that story is accurate that someone said she could be the next Govenor of Alaska and she replied “I want to be President” I think we have our answer. Yes she will run.

  • nmp1

    I can’t speak for all liberals, but I am one liberal who does NOT fear Sarah Palin. I’m not even angered by her as much as I am angered by the undeserved coverage. Americans rejected her willful and unabashed ignorance and nothing she has done or said since the election has improved her standing with the public. If anything, it’s deteriorated. So why so much attention?

    The media loves a freak show.

  • shepherdwong

    “Why would Sarah Palin embarrass herself with a presidential run when she’s pulling in $12 million every six months as someone who lectures on politics from Facebook?”
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    This is about right. Palin has everything she’s ever wanted: money, fame and adoration. If she did run, it would be only to further those ambitions with no hope or desire to win. As the last Ignoramus-in-Chief pointed out: being President is hard work and Palin is about as self-absorbed and lazy as they come.

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @18.2
    Rusty has changed has criteria for presidential qualifications. Earlier this morning he was all about teh resume. I would’ve thought to him, Abe Lincoln was a small town lawyer, known to sympathize with the terrorist John Brown, who wanted the federal government to interfere in the free entreprise of Southern planters.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    The only reason Palin will not run is because she thinks she can get more money as a celebrity. As for the vetting issue, I’m curious if she’d be the first candidate to never take an interview outside of the hardcore conservative base and how effective people would be at vetting her without that ability and how well she can benefit off of that. She’s already a polarizing figure, it’ll be interesting to see if she’ll play that up or not.

  • ohiolib

    Run Sarah Run!! Here’s a slogan for you” Bailin’ Palin: 2012-2014″

  • newfreedomblog

    “As the last Ignoramus-in-Chief pointed out: being President is hard work and Palin is about as self-absorbed and lazy as they come.”

    .
    I take offense to you calling my President, Barack Obama, “Ignoramus-in-Chief”, but then you add the additional “lazy” to make it sound like some racial dog whistle too boot. Shame on you shepherdwong.

  • bokeh9

    Add a vote for JNS/AS, depending on what “running” means. I don’t think she’ll receive the party nomination but will straddle the roles of candidate/entertainer to maximize exposure/revenue.

  • shepherdwong

    Barack Obama makes George Bush look like Alfred E. Newman. Oh, wait…
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    http://www.mindspring.com/~mike.wicks/AEBush.html

  • http://twitter.com/poniewozik James Poniewozik

    FWIW, though I am an ignorant TV critic, I too have had this debate with Michael, and am on Jay N-S’ and Andrew Sullivan’s side. People run for President because (1) they want to be the President and (2) they have even the faintest of reasons to convince themselves they can do it. Sarah Palin has given plenty indications that she wants to be the President. And people with far less chance have run, sometimes multiple times. Chris Dodd moved to Iowa. She can do it from the confort of a TV studio.

    Now whether she will run and whether she can win are two separate arguments, but let’s not confuse them.

  • newfreedomblog

    A Douglas statement about Lincoln;

    “He is the strong man of his party – full of wit, facts, dates – and the best stump speaker, with his droll ways and dry jokes, in the West. He is as honest as he is shrewd, and if I beat him, my victory will be hardly won.”

    .
    I know Barack Obama wanted to compare himself so badly to Abraham Lincoln, but I do believe Sarah Palin has him beat on the “wit, facts and dates”, as well as being a better “stump speaker”.

  • http://twitter.com/poniewozik James Poniewozik

    PS: Scherer can come to Tuned In anytime and tell me whether he think the Man in Black will actually turn out to be a bad guy on LOST.

  • square1

    I have a serious question for you, Rusty?
    .
    What the hell do you have against “community organizing”? Republicans love to throw this term around as an insult as if it is self-evident that it is bad for someone to work with the poor, work with minorities, work in poverty-stricken urban areas to improve the lives of the people living there. Guess what? It isn’t.
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    Honestly, Rusty, it sounds racist. It sounds like you don’t like anyone, including Obama, when they try to help poor, black people.
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    Republicans sometimes wonder why people think they are racists. They can’t figure out how, if they aren’t wearing a sheet or calling people n*ggers, anyone could possibly think they are racists. Well, it might have something to do with the fact that they ridicule people for helping minorities.

  • sieben13

    What for “DOG CATCHER” ????????

  • newfreedomblog

    Jim:
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    I haven’t changed my criteria for a President, just pointing out the fact that the liberals on this site who feign outrage that someone like Sarah Palin should even consider being President is nothing short of an oxy-moron for anyone who supported Barack Obama as President in the last election.
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    Again, what is it that made you vote for him? I am still anxiously awaiting some response that makes any sense, and is not filled with “he’s a liberal, that’s why I voted for him”.
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    As Hillary Clinton so famously said, and was so true,

    “I think you’ll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say,” she said. “He’s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002.”

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    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-502443_162-3896372-502443.html

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh poor little square1, I have nothing against community organizing. I do believe it to be a noble profession, and have done much of it myself over the past 40+ years. But, I also equally believe that it is not “experience” one can run on to be “qualified” to be President of the United States of America, let alone to sway someone’s vote to vote for that person.
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    I would consider past experience as a Governor or even the Mayor of Wassila to be more experience in government thus qualifying you more for the Office of the President than a “community organizer”. Calm down, it has nothing to do with blacks or poor people.
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    I am just curious how liberals can go all ballistic on Sarah Palin, how the Press as represented here by Michael Scherer and others that have since commented can even make a negative statement about Sarah Palin based on anything they have justified Barack Obama with. Even today with over a year in office I still do not see what this President has done outside of ramming a totally worthless health care legislation down our throats.
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    1. we still have Gitmo, yes?
    2. we still have Iran on the verge of nuclear bombs, yes?
    3. we still have unemployment at nearly 10%, yes?
    4. we still have troops in Iraq when he promised they would be out by now, yes?
    5. we are no further ahead in Afghanistan than we were 8 years ago, yes?
    6. we still have a Patriot Act which is fully against our Constitutional rights, yes?
    7. we still do not have a better situation in the Middle East so far as Israel and Palestine is concerned, if anything it is worse now, yes?
    8. No “clean energy” plans, no green jobs, nada, zilch, a big fat zero, yes?
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    What I do see is a budget and deficit that is completely out of control. Out of control to the point that all of the spending has placed this country in the most dire of fiscal positions it has ever been in for over 234 years. Obama has all but bankrupt this country, and what do we have to show for it?
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    I am just pointing out, what has been done in nearly a year and a half that makes everyone say anything negative about Sarah Palin that you cannot equally say about Barack Obama. I will give him one thing, he can read a teleprompter and deliver a speech very well. But, I fail to see how that makes him Presidential, or even a successful President at this point or before as a Presidential candidate.

  • kevin

    One of them is an emotional deranged woman who cries at the drop of a hat.
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    The other was governor of Alaska for a half term.

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @NFB: Just to clarify, I voted for him because, yes, he’s a liberal. We agree on most issues. I also think he is smarter and has better judgement than most politicians. That quote from HRC, that you offer as some kind of proof of BO’s lack of qualifications, was to me proof of HRC’s being out of step with the Democratic Party and the country at large. That speech, and the subject of it, which she dismissed so snidely and arrogantly was proof that his judgement was better than hers.
    Also, you say that HRC’s statement was “so true”. Um, she was arguing that the “lifetime of experience” (an utterly empty and meaningless phrase, by the way) meant that Obama couldn’t beat McCain. Obama did beat McCain. You noticed that, didn’t you? Like a rented mule with an attiutude. So her statement really wasn’t “so true”, was it? And the reason Obama beat McCain so badly, just to bring this back to the topic, was that the mediocrity McCain picked the idiot Palin to be his Veep. BO would’ve beat McCain anyway, I think, but the idiot Palin was the nail the old fool drove in the coffin of his own campaign.

  • kevin

    I pray to God that she runs. But she won’t.

  • kevin

    Well said, nmp1.
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    The comparison to the Tea Party is dead on. Palin and the TP crowd are essentially fringe movements rejected by the vast majority of Americans, but the media has so deeply internalized the critique of conservatives that they’re biased against them that the media is overcompensating badly.
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    Listen, reporters — Spiro Agnew is dead and gone. He can’t hurt you with his mean, mean words anymore. Stop pissing your pants in fear that some conservative will call you biased and start doing your job.

  • kevin

    With her beauty and cutting edge smile, she skewers Obama
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    I have seen some stupid, stupid things on this blog, but that might just take the cake.
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    “Sarah Palin: She sure is purty. Let’s make her the preznit!”

  • square1

    Sorry, Rusty, your explanation doesn’t hold up. You and other Republicans are fixated on the “community organizer” thing. You clearly use the label as an insult.
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    You don’t think that being a community organizer qualifies one to be President? When did anyone ask you to? Last time I checked, Obama vacated his seat as a U.S. Senator to become President. He didn’t resign from ACORN.
    .
    People criticize Palin because she is an ignorant fool. She went to five colleges before she graduated. She doesn’t read the newspaper. And her McCain’s own campaign team made fun of her stupidity.
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    I really don’t care if you think that Obama was too inexperienced to be President. He certainly isn’t too stupid. Why are Republicans incapable of admitting that Obama is highly intelligent? Why do Republicans try to compare a mental midget like Palin to a guy who graduated at the top of his class at the most prestigious law school in the country?

    Democrats might not like Newt Gingrich, Dick Cheney, Mitt Romney, but we don’t call them stupid. We don’t pretend that they need a teleprompter.

    It is hard to avoid the conclusion that the “teleprompter” comment is racially motivated.

  • 3xfire3

    Sarah Palin had the highest approval rating of any Governor in the country. Having the people of your state rate you as the best in the country is a true measurement of success for a Governor.
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    Liberals and the Media fear her ability to relate to Mainstream Americans and her ability to help other Republicans beat Democrats in November.
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    She will not be running for President in 2012 but she will be a major factor in defeating Obama.

  • newfreedomblog

    “I really don’t care if you think that Obama was too inexperienced to be President. He certainly isn’t too stupid. Why are Republicans incapable of admitting that Obama is highly intelligent? Why do Republicans try to compare a mental midget like Palin to a guy who graduated at the top of his class at the most prestigious law school in the country?”

    .
    Well square1 I will answer your questions like this. HE IS STUPID.
    .
    Just because he graduated from a prestigious Ivy League school under affirmative action based admission standards and the need for the liberal based Harvard University to have it’s “first token black student as the Harvard Law School Review” still does not justify his intelligence or ability to be President. That is a fact. He has done nothing short of showing me he knows how to read a teleprompter to define his intelligence. I could also read the teleprompter as well. So could you.
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    Don’t give me your “he graduated from Harvard” bullcrap as justification. Give me proof of it, and then perhaps you can then talk to me about his supposed “intelligence”.
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    I know and have met thouands of people who have graduated from college, even Law School and they are nothing close to what I would deem as “intelligent”, let alone be considered qualified to be President.
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    Obama is nothing more than Sarah Palin. She also graduated from college, but yet gets ripped by the liberals on this site and in the media all the time for no fact based accusations. Show me where as Governor she messed up, that she did something stupid. Show me where she even messed up as Mayor of Wassila as proof. Show me anything except your well documented bias, and totally baseless accusations. Just because Katie Couric tells you Sarah is “stupid” because she asked her what newspapers she reads is a test of her intellect. Give me a break. Just because Gibson asked her about the “Bush Doctrine”, when there wasn’t such a thing to begin with? Give me a break. Just because you are a totally biased and ideological nitwit? Give me a break.

  • newfreedomblog

    JimFoolish:
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    Again, you fail at justifying other than stating Obama is a liberal, and you believe that because he is a liberal he is in lock step with your liberalism. That is all you have proven in your statments.
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    Hillary did state that Obama’s experience was from one speech he happen to get right in 2002. That was the extent of not only his experience, but his ability to be President. It had very little to do with beating McCain, but even more so about his being qualified to be President. I would challenge anyone, including TIME.com reporters to ask her to further clarify the statement.
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    You shall find out that Obama is as equally polarizing as Palin in the next election. The polls indicate this right now with all the voter dissatisfaction on his current performance. Time will be the judge as to whether he goes down in history as simply the first black President ever elected, period or anything near one of the greatest Presidents ever. My bet is on simply a black man liberals elected.

  • apr2563

    MS: It is the traditional media that has kept the Palin meme going. My lord, her musings on Facebook are quoted. She is to politics as Paris Hilton is to acting. Instead of giving her credence, ignore her and see how fast she loses influence. Chicken or egg Michael, chicken or egg.

  • sacredh

    When the book publisher yelled “Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?”, Sarah raised her hand and ran giggling down the aisle to collect her booty. The NASCAR crowd went nuts. Much happiness. Much swelling.

  • 53_3

    No, Rusty and 3xfire3, you are totally wrong.
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    I, and many others are not only in favor of her tossing her red-white-and blue star spangled whip in the ring for the GOP nomination, I want her to win!
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    But I won’t be voting for her in 2012…

  • sue_n

    I don’t think she will. As others here have said, I think being president is just too much hard work for a woman who couldn’t even focus on being governor of what is essentially a welfare state. It’s just so much easier (and more profitable) to be a celebrity, and to be able to say whatever the hell you want without having to worry about it being, you know, right.
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    And, in all honesty, I’m not even sure I want her to run, even if it meant (which it almost certainly would) that Democrats keep the White House and possibly Congress. I keep hoping the GOP will eventually return to something approaching sanity and rise role of a rational, intelligent opposition that might actually have something useful to contribute to the national discourse.
    .
    But if Silly Sarah garners enough support to run for president, I think that will signal that any hope for Republican sanity has died, and that the party of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt will have finally become completely and forever irrelevant.

  • 53_3

    I think that Palin should run for president, and Guiliani should be her vp pick.
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    That way, you with a dominatrix and a cross dresser running for teh top slot in the USA, the would capture all the votes. How could they miss?
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    It would be the shot heard ’round the world…

  • sacredh

    Two scenarios for Sarah.

    (1.) She does run and gets blasted by the other republicans in the primary because she wins a couple of early primaries. She claims the republican party is out to get her and sets in motion a goal of heading her own party. (The Teabaggers)

    (2.) She doesn’t run but gets to have major influence choosing the republican nominee by endorsing him. Yes, HIM. She would never allow another woman to share the stage..

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Rusty- Do you want to go through issue by issue so I can tell you which issues I agree with Obama on and which I don’t? I don’t have time. I told you I liked Obama’s intelligence and lucidity. I guess if you’re not just a Republican but a Palinite Republican, you don’t get why someone would think those qualities are good things to have in a President.

    My bet is on simply a black man liberals elected.

    And we get to the heart of the matter, and you’re real issue. Thanks for playing.

  • notfooledbydistractions

    Oh please. Spew this nonsensical blather over on redstate where they’re probably still buying it.

    Do you honestly believe that palin is capable of discussing the issues with the same degree of depth and comprehension as Obama does? Pick a topic – foreign policy, health care, immigration, finance reform – baseball, the weather – pick one. Without assistance and prescreened questions (and answers) palin would fail miserably. If you can’t see past your bitterness to at least recognize this basic and glaring fact, you’re beyond hope.

    It’s truly a shame to see that the presidential standards for the republican party have fallen so low.

  • shepherdwong

    That’s another reason she won’t make a serious run or, certainly, win. Right-wing authoritarian Republicans would never vote for a woman president. They can’t even be trusted to decide whether or not to bear children.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    JP, thanks for stopping in! I’m sure I’m not alone in saying you have as much insight to share as the of lords of CW. If Time really wants their blogs to flourish, such cross-pollination would be encouraged/mandated.
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    It’s April 2010, so my opinion about Palin is [ ]. Christ on a bagel, isn’t there some non-horserace stuff to talk about. You know, like issues, things that affect the lives of American citizens, slaughtered civilians in Afghanistan. I dunno, maybe I’m out of tough here in the Orient.
    .
    I would like to side with Green on this:
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    “Andrew’s view of himself as a lonely, embattled tribune and bulwark against the global menace of Palinism”
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    No, not merely Andrew’s OCD seasoned with penis-envy & misogyny, but the general tone AS takes on most issues. Iran and all the green for instance. He’s the pied piper of self-absorption.

  • nflfoghorn

    “Show me where as Governor [Miss Prissy] messed up, that she did something stupid.”
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    Like having state workers work on her home? You can look it up yourself.
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    Freep: Not only racist, but stupid too.
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    Yes, you can take that as an insult.

  • sacredh

    I’m probably in the minority on this, but I do think she could win the republican primary although not the general election. Her star power, appeal to the base and fundraising abilities are through the roof. The primaries tend to be dominated by the diehards and Sarah has them by the short hairs.
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    Whatever the outcome, 2012 should be entertaining political theater.

  • 53_3

    “I know Barack Obama wanted to compare himself so badly to Abraham Lincoln, but I do believe Sarah Palin has him beat on the “wit, facts and dates”, as well as being a better “stump speaker”.
    .
    Is a “stump speaker” anything like a horse whisperer?
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    If so, it is probably the only accurate statement Rusty has offered today…

  • shepherdwong

    Interestingly, considering my thesis, Palin has an even bigger problem with Republican women than Republican men:

    Republican men deem Palin “qualified” by a margin of 60-38. But Republican women? Not even half think she is qualified: only 49%. 50% of Republican women say Palin is unqualified for the job.

    Seems like a deal-breaker to me. Assuming Republicans can come up with someone they think is qualified. And they voted for George Bush. Twice!
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    http://www.frumforum.com/sarah-palins-woman-problem

  • 3xfire3

    I agree. She will not run in 2012. Confidence factor 80%.

  • http://twitter.com/poniewozik James Poniewozik

    @jcapan: Sullivan IS monomaniacal on all things Palin. Doesn’t mean he’s wrong on whether she’ll run. But yes, talking about the GOP 2012 nominee now is like speculating on the likelihood that I can have my 75th birthday party on a holodeck. That said, as a TV guy the idea of TV/pop culture as a political credential is pretty interesting to me–that’s my bias–and I suspect that’s where we are headed, if not with Palin, then with Candidate TK at some point in the future.

  • 53_3

    shep:
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    Take a look at 27. This is an absolutely perfect example of your contention!

  • 3xfire3

    nmp1,
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    According to a recent Rasmussen Poll, 25% of likely voters nationally said they were Tea Party members.
    That substantially larger then those who said they were Liberals.
    When Liberals keep saying the Tea Party is irrelevant and see these Numbers, it must be a little embbarressing.

  • sacredh

    shepherdwong, I have a pretty low opinion of republicans in general (not counting old school conservatives like apollyon07 and Exiled) and don’t really think that being qualified is very important to them. Belief in God and being “just like me” seems to carry far more in importance than something elitist like intelligence or command of the issues to them. Being perceived as an outsider (think ignorant) appeals to many people. They might want to call it a fresh approach, but being clueless seems closer to the mark to me. Over 45 million people voted for McCain with Palin on the ticket. She drew the crowds. She pulled in the big bucks. I don’t think we can ignore her appeal. They might not be able to elect her as prom queen, but they can get her to the big dance.

  • 3xfire3

    Kevin,
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    Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
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    Sodakhic thinks Palin is beautiful.
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    You think Obama is beautiful.
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    I like Sodakhic’s choice better.
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    All Liberals are going to like Obama. Through your Liberal glasses he fits your views perfectly.
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    Mainstream American don’t wear Liberal glasses and now that they have learned his true agenda they don’t like it. That’s why Democrats will lose in 2010 and 2012.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “the idea of TV/pop culture as a political credential is pretty interesting to me”
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    And, as I’m sure you would agree, pretty terrifying.

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Mainstream American don’t wear Liberal glasses and now that they have learned his true agenda they don’t like it.

    Really? Then shouldn’t his numbers be a lot lower? When you consider that the economy is still in the tank, and that I think even you would concede some of the non-approval of Obama (we could conservatively call it 5%) comes from those who think he hasn’t been aggressively liberal enough, shouldn’t his poll numbers be around half of where they are? Down around where, say, I don’t, Sarah Palin’s numbers are?

  • kevin

    My point wasn’t that I don’t think Palin is beautiful.
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    My point was that only a mouth-breathing idiot thinks that her beauty and “cutting edge smile” somehow “skewer” a politician of the opposing party. (And then you come along to prove the point. Thanks!)
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    If you pick your candidate based on who’s the prettiest or most handsome, then you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

  • kevin

    And David Vitter (R-Pampers) for Secretary of State?
    .
    What about that Republican state leader (Florida?) who was found wearing two wetsuits with a d!ldo up his behind?

  • kevin

    “Show me where as Governor [Miss Prissy] messed up, that she did something stupid.”
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    How about the Bridge to Nowhere — the fact that she asked for a colossal waste of tax money, and then had the gall to claim she said “thanks, but no thanks” when it became unpopular?
    http://www.adn.com/2008/08/31/511471/palin-touts-stance-on-bridge-to.html
    .
    How about the fact that in just a half term in office , she saddled Alaska with the largest state debt in the entire country?
    http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0331/postpalin-alaska-largest-debt-burden/
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    How about the abuse of power charges and ethics panel criticisms over her Troopergate scandal?
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/palin.investigation/
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    As for stupid, Jesus Christ, where do we begin?
    http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/a/palin-top-10.htm
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    Again, as a liberal Democrat, I beg the Republican Party to make her their presidential nominee in 2012. It’ll be such a freaking trainwreck, it’d be the end of the party.

  • sacredh

    “It’ll be such a freaking trainwreck, it’d be the end of the party.”
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    If two terms of Bush/Cheney and then running McCain/Palin didn’t end the party, her getting the nomination won’t do it either. As long as Fox is on the air to tell it’s followers what to think, they’ll be OK. Maybe not mentally healthy, but OK.

  • maverick2k9

    Oh please. Spew this nonsensical blather over on redstate where they’re probably still buying it.

    Ahem..notfooledbydistraction, You dont know how wrong you are.
    .
    Even redstate isn’t buying New FreeRusty Blog’s ridiculous arguments any more. Redstate has banned him from ever posting his garbage there.

  • sacredh

    See Sarah. See Sarah run. Run Sarah, run. Sarah runs fast in those hot red pumps.

  • kbanginmotown

    Jiminy Christmas! I leave to take the little kbangs to soccer and scouts, and come back to see 110 comments!
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    I guess pouring sugar on the ground doesn’t drive away ants… ;)

  • kbanginmotown

    *sigh*
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    My point, exactly, apr. Alas, SP is the Cheetos(tm) of politics. Once you start, you can’t stop.
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    Michael: Thank you for responding. Touche.

  • kbanginmotown

    JB: Do you still read LGF? Or, did Charles’ “awakening” drive you away as well…?

  • kbanginmotown

    Yeah…Sarah’s got that “stump” part down, alright…

  • diecash1

    Kbang — Shouldn’t you be watching the Wings take it to the Coyotes right about now instead of worrying about this pathetic Palin posting?

  • ignatzh

    “Delicious contretemps”- if you’re a fly.

  • joehark

    I did not vote (and work my ass off for almost a year) for Obama’s “experience.” I wanted to see him POTUS because

    1) he had the clear good sense to oppose the illegal Iraq war even before he was a US Senator. On the very same day that the elected senators were supporting it, he stood up in Chicago and based his newly announced candidacy for Senate on that intelligent and principled position. In other words, I voted for Obama because he had the good sense and the political courage to speak up against that war at a time when he was a lone voice, with no chance of winning. That’s what I wanted in the White House.

    2) as a presidental candidate he presented an attitude and persona that would restore (and has restored) the faith of Americans and foreigners alike in the integrity of our system of politics and justice.

    As for the birthers, tea baggers and racists, I am not afraid of them. They are just another example of the lunatic fringe that will always exist in a truly free and open society. Please, let them say all they will, as often and loudly as they will. They are their own worst enemy. Like Palin, McCain, Beck and Limbaugh, the more they talk the more ludicrous they show themselves to be.

    For all the inherited mess that he is dealing with, for all the compromises that must be made, for all the opposition he is confronting, I think O is doing a great job of fulfilling my hopes for him and for America. FDR and Eleanor and Harry Truman would have been proud of him.

  • 53_3

    Was he found alive or dead?
    .
    Just asking. It wouldn’t make a difference. I’m sure the GOP would still find a way to get him on the ballot…

  • http://noevidenceofacrime.com jlbworld

    Please spare us Sarah any run for a higher office. The GOP might just be able to get our country back, the one that Obama and his extremely Liberal agenda have tried to hard to destroy. However if another less than stellar candidate is once again the choice (and sorry Sarah that would be you) we are doomed.

  • maggotbrane

    Sarah Palin will run for the presidency of the United States for the same reason the successful bank robber Willie Sutton robbed banks, because: “That’s where the money is.” So far Sarah has raked in 12 million dollars as Sarah Palin the darling of the teabaggers. I guess she is pushing to gross 36 million just running against President Obama. The 2012 presidential election will just be a contest between Sarah (dumb) and her followers (dumber).

  • Mekhong Kurt

    newfreedomblog, in 101.10 you wrote, in part,

    “Don’t give me your ‘he graduated from Harvard’ bullcrap as justification. Give me proof of it, and then perhaps you can then talk to me about his supposed ‘intelligence’.”

    That part that especially caught my attention is “Give me proof of it.”

    Do I sense a “Birther-Goes-to-Harvard” in the offing?

    Just what constitutes “proof”?

    Besides, what do we call people who doubt the President’s formal educational backgroud? “Schoolers”? Maybe we can refer to this “scandal” as “Harvardgate”?

    If so, then there’s likely nothing that will convince people Obama either didn’t go there at all or that he wasn’t passed right through as a token.

    How are candidates in the future supposed to “prove” this stuff? They can’t go door-to-door to every home and workplace in America to show their birth certificates, transcripts, rent or mortgage receipts (to prove current residency), etc. And even if they could, apparently a fair number of people would reject even *original documents,* instead claiming the documents were photoshopped (or whatever).

    You think that couldn’t happen? Twenty years ago my wife and I were going on a road trip, and soon after we left home with me at the wheel, I realized I had left my wallet — with my driver’s license — at home, so I switched to let her drive.

    She got stopped by a Texas Highway patrolman. For some reason, he asked for my ID. I happened to have my passport in my briefcase with me, so I offered him that — but he said that in the first place, it wasn’t my passport because my picture didn’t look like me. (Following embassy instructions, where I lived and renewed my passport, I had my photo taken without my glasses). And in the second place, according to him, a passport wasn’t valid ID.

    I got him to summon a supervisor, who chewed him up one side and down the other for bothering me in the first place, when all he was doing was stopping my wife to give her a verbal warning for some minor traffic infraction, and in the second place as to be so dumb as to to recognize that a U.S. passport is valid ID. It helped that I’m a legal resident of Texas, own property, am registered to vote, etc., at least in the supervisor’s eyes.

    Did the trooper have any call to do that? No; I’m like most of us, an unknown nobody. But without the supervisor, I might have been in for several hours’ hassle, maybe even overnight, since this all took place in the early evening.

    I am *not* anti-cop; I worked in law enforcement and security for some years, and I am not a disgruntled ex-, not at all; in fact, I miss it.

    I guess we ought to drag out all the stuff that some tried to argue about McCain not being an American citizen, though he clearly is.

    Except to people whose minds are made up and who don’t want to be confused by the facts.

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