If At First You Don’t Succeed

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid this afternoon made a second pass at starting debate on financial reregulation but to no avail: the vote ended exactly as it did yesterday 57-41, mostly along party lines. The scene is starting to feel a bit like Groundhog Day: isn’t doing the same thing repeatedly expecting different results the definition of insanity?

“This bill needed a lot of work before we turn to it on the floor,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters.

Less than 30 minutes later standing in the same spot, Reid fired back: “The Republicans are saying, as one senator said to me last night, ‘Well, we want a product before we allow it to go forward,’” Reid said. “That is really unsenatorial. That is very unlegislative, that they want in the United States Senate an agreement before they’ll even let us go to the floor… We want to bring the bill to the floor so we can discuss it, debate it, amend it, and if necessary, improve it. We want to do it in the open.”

It’s a foregone conclusion that the Dems will prevail in their quest to debate the bill – George Voinovich of Ohio, amongst other moderate Republicans, has told McConnell he’ll give him a few cloture votes but after that he does think holding the debate is important. Not to mention that polls show the issue resounds with voters and today’s Goldman hearing was like a giant exclamation point, underlining the dire need for legislation.

So why drag it out? McConnell says he wants to give Senator Richard Shelby, whose been negotiating with Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd, more time. McConnell also seemed to note today with some surprise that the bill “is mostly about Main Street,” saying Republicans wanted to examine its impacts further (he must have missed the last week where Dems have been howling that this is all about protecting Main Street – “seven million homes lost, 20% of retirement savings, $11 trillion in household wealth and 8.3 million jobs,” as Dodd likes to repeat – from another banking meltdown).

Republicans also unveiled a 20-page outline of a GOP alternative which would also regulate derivatives; would ban the use of taxpayer funds for bailing out megabanks; and calls for a weakened version of consumer protection than proposed by Dodd.

Meanwhile, the unvarnished glee with which Dems have approached these repeated votes, which they believe demonstrate irrevocably that the Republicans are in bed with Wall Street, is starting to have some unintended consequences: many of the moderate Republicans they’re counting on for final passage are starting to get turned off by the degree of rancor and partisanship. So, though they may be winning the battle – they will eventually get their debate – they might be losing the war if they don’t have the votes to pass a bill.

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  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Not sure where you’re coming from in that last paragraph. It sounds like the McCain/Graham school of temper tantrum followed by taking your ball and going home.

    If the Republicans who are voting against cloture don’t like the partisanship, then suck and it up and vote to start the debate. Jesus Christ.

  • kbanginmotown

    …isn’t doing the same thing repeatedly expecting different results the definition of insanity?

    Were you talking about the GOP or the Dems, Jay?
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    I don’t recall you using this turn on phrase during the HCR debate, when the GOP was bringing 100s of nonsensical amendments to the floor to force the Dems to make “uncomfortable” votes to obtain ultimate passage of the HCR bill.
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    The shoe is on the other foot, now. Please be consistent.

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, Jay. The blinding obvious is how much the Goldman grilling (literally?) of “Doing God’s work” Blankfein will change the voting landscape for the debate tomorrow (and later). What are your sources whispering in your ear (literally)? Will Blankfein unintentionally put more pressure on R’s or will they dig their heels in? Thanks for your recent movie analogies (Groundhog Day, Animal House).
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    OT (kinda), late to the prom (was at cat shelter all day) on your Sarah Palin debate with MS. I’m on your side: she WILL run because of her quitter nature: she “quits upward”. I went on the record in Feb. (at your post, btw) –

    For now, I’ll bet she runs. Sarah’s history is to “quit upwards”: quit Wasilla town council to become mayor, joins AOGCC after mayor post but quits, becomes gov., quits, etc.

    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/02/04/bring-on-the-tea/comment-page-1/#comment-130621
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    I didn’t link timeline but it’s easy to find. Jay, please feel free to use this against Michael; he can’t refute it.

  • kbanginmotown

    I’d be nice if Reid and a few others complained about “just wanting an ‘up or down’ vote”…like we heard ad nauseum during 2000-2006…

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    If they don’t have the votes for the final bill after its been through the floor debate then the charge that McConnell and Co are in bed with Wall Street will be even that much more plausable.
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    Color me utterly unconvinced. I think one of your sources is playing you…….
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    There will be a bipartisan bill.

  • deconstructiva

    …kbang, thanks for Jay’s quote / Groundhog Day. Now remembering, Bill Murray’s character actually tried many different things, mostly to win the girl (and when she’s Andie MacDowell, go for it!). Of course, the real point of the film was to make him change for the better if he wanted the trophies (sleep with Andie and to break the time loop). Why do movies still insist on subliminal morality messages?

  • FlownOver

    Seems to me Reid is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting the same result. GOP spreads its legs repeatedly for Wall Street in full public view – the more often the better for the Democrats.

  • grape_crush

    So why drag it out?

    For the same reason the Goldman Sachs execs dragged out their testimony: The longer it takes, the less attention it has and the more easily it’s muddied up.

    …many of the moderate Republicans they’re counting on for final passage are starting to get turned off by the degree of rancor and partisanship.

    That’s a nonsensical statement, Jay, and you should be calling it out as such…It’s like an abusive husband being upset that his wife finally called the cops.

    There’s a real easy way for the ‘moderate Republicans’ to tone down the partisanship: put on their big kid undies and stop supporting their side’s filibustering.

  • greenlyfe

    So, though they may be winning the battle – they will eventually get their debate – they might be losing the war if they don’t have the votes to pass a bill.

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/04/27/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed/#ixzz0mMpl5pZC

    Seriously? That doesn’t make sense. The Republicans will vote to move the debate forward for the same reason that at the end of the day they will not be the vote to kill financial reform: that is a made for tv campaign spot. It writes itself. The best thing that could happen would be for Repubublicans to filibuster, vote to debate, and then REFUSE to vote cloture to bring this bill to a simple majority vote after this country nearly collapsed finanically and headlines blare about Goldman Sachs, Wall Street, and how Main Street is being screwed.

    Wow.

    I’m sorry, but that kind of bs concern trolling just makes me think you feel we’re idiots. The democrats standing firm is win-win-win and it’s political hardball that they should have been playing earlier; and these Republicans you talk about should think over the smile GWB gave to Daschle when he suggested pushing the war vote beyond the midterms to depoliticize the issue.

    I hope Time isn’t trying to become Politico, because on Politico is bad enough.

  • deconstructiva

    …I thought Jay was referring to Voinovich when talking about “moderate” R’s (there still are some?). If V is smart he’ll switch votes to avoid hurting his hopeful replacement Rob Portman. Count on the likely D challenger Lee Fisher to go after Portman, esp. on this. Fisher used to be Ohio’s Atty. Gen. and would make a good Sen. teammate with Brown.

  • Cliff

    many of the moderate Republicans they’re counting on for final passage are starting to get turned off by the degree of rancor and partisanship
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    Really? Really?
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    How many Republican votes did the HCR bill get?
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    How many lies did they tell about it? (And I know Serious Journalists hate to call a lie a lie, so how many times did they “accidentally” say certifiably false things about the bill?)
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    How about the stimulus bill? How many Republican votes did that get?
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    How many GOP Congress people have accused Obama of not being an American? Or a socialist? Or a traitor?
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    How many appointees are they holding up?
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    How many filibusters have they attempted?
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    And most importantly, how did you manage to forget all of this?

  • redraven937

    [...] many of the moderate Republicans they’re counting on for final passage are starting to get turned off by the degree of rancor and partisanship.

    So… wait.

    You’re saying that the moderate Republicans voting against this bill even being debated right now are getting turned off by the degree of rancor and partisanship? The same rancor and partisanship that, I dunno, is leading moderate Republicans to vote against even debating the bill to begin with?

    Jesus Christ this sort of reporting is terrible.

  • Art Pepper

    Yes, Democrats are causing rancor and partisanship by wanting to be serious about legislating. Those poor downtrodden Republicans. Doesn’t mean ol’ Harry Reid understand? The GOP just wants to do a bit of grandstanding, a little demogoguing, maybe trot out some bald-faced lies for old times’ sake. Is that so much to ask?

    Also, I like the 20-page outline.The hedge fund managers were too busy prepping their legal defense to finish drafting the GOP bill?

  • http://xuallan.wordpress.com xuallan

    You’re saying that the moderate Republicans voting against this bill even being debated right now are getting turned off by the degree of rancor and partisanship?

    http://www.wallpapereden.com/

  • bacotawordpress

    Is the Democratic leadership trying to get a “do over” on the HCR debate or what?

    I wonder how this plays out with the average independent voter, or if they even notice.

    For me, as a Democrat, it makes the Democratic leadership look like they are more interested in political theater than in governing. They could just as easily have started these cloture votes in 2 or 3 weeks. They could have asked key moderate Republicans when they would like to see the debate begin and held them to that. They wouldn’t have had to accept an answer they don’t like.

  • kbanginmotown

    decon:
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    Good point. In the movies, getting the girl by being a nice guy beats getting the girl by being a d-bag.
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    In the real world, nice guys finish last. (Or the other way around, as evidenced by the multi-bazillionaires on display on the Hill this week.)

  • Matt

    No question whether a fin reg bill will pass, but does this streak of filibusters of what is a popular bill aimed at reigning in a target of rage like Wall Street hurt the Republicans for the elections? How many times can voters stand to hear of another GOP block of “Wall Street reform”?

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • Paul-no not that one

    “many of the moderate Republicans they’re counting on for final passage are starting to get turned off by the degree of rancor and partisanship.”
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    There are *many” moderate republicans?
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    Without names-and JNS has established Lindsey “I’ll filibuster my own bill” Graham as a moderate-I will assume this is bs.

  • chicagoindependant

    The Democrats have the votes to pass the bill, they don’t yet have the votes to get passed the Filibuster.

  • gwbc

    Are the so-called moderates being turned off ? Why don’t they filibuster? Make them stay up all night and then vote their consciences? It is not about being turned off, Ms Small , it is about doing what is right

  • freeinpa

    Definition of Insanity:

    Trying the same thing over and over expecting different results.

    Insanity meet Harry Reid and the Demos

  • http://xuallan.wordpress.com xuallan

    Yes, Democrats are causing rancor and partisanship by wanting to be serious about legislating.

    http://www.wallpapereden.com/

    It is not about being turned off, Ms Small , it is about doing what is right.

    http://www.wordpressthemescity.com

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