Thank You, Sir, May We Have Another?

The cloture vote to stop a GOP filibuster on the Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd’s bill to overhaul just failed in the Senate 57-41. The vote took nearly an hour as Senators rushed through Washington traffic to make the first vote of the week. All Republicans voted Nay. Republican Senators Bob Bennett of Utah and Kit Bond of Missouri were absent and Democratic Senators Ben Nelson and Harry Reid voted against the bill — Reid in order to be able to bring the bill back up again as is required under Senate rules.

Dems left the chamber gloating about how Republicans were “taking a stand with Wall Street against Main Street,” as Senator Byron Dorgan, a North Dakota Democrat, told reporters after voting. Indeed, with negotiations still ongoing between Dodd and the top Republican on the Banking Committee, Alabama’s Richard Shelby, one might ask: What was Senate Majority Leader Reid doing holding a vote prematurely? The answer is: Dems believe that forcing Republicans into a perceived stand with fat cat bankers is playing well with not only the Dem base but with independent voters. Indeed, an ABC/Washington Post poll out today shows that nearly two-thirds of Americans want to see the bill passed.

So, this is a scene you’re going to see replayed as often as Dems can manage before Republicans agree to pass the bill. “We will give them a night to think about it and then we’ll hit them hard with another vote on Tuesday,” said a senior Democratic aide involved in the process. “And if that fails we’ll really ramp it up — repeated UCs to go to the bill, possibly an all-nighter, live quorum calls. Our caucus seems pretty resolved; I think we stay on this until something gives.” UCs are unanimous consents: the majority of Senate business is done under UC — which is blocked when someone has an objection. Catch is: if there’s not a Republican in the chamber when a Democratic senator calls for unanimous consent to go to the bill — even if it’s 3am — then they can’t block it.

At the same time several senators have told McConnell they don’t want to see him cave and they’d like to hold out for substantial changes in the legislation — something won’t happen if Republicans swerve in this game of chicken. At the same time, Republicans say they may produce a GOP alternative.

Still, senators on both sides expressed confidence that a bill — in some form — would pass this week or next. Dems only need two Republican votes and several are close to signing on as negotiations continue. Dodd “may yet get broad bipartisan support,” Senator Chuck Grassley, an Iowa Republican, said emerging from the vote this afternoon. “Not today, but they’re still talking.”

As Karen would surely note, this is the closest the Dems have come to make ‘em fiibuster yet.

Update:
As if to underline the point, Reid has brought up a surprise vote on a “motion to instruct the sergeant at arms to request the attendence of absent senators.”

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  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, Jay. How anticipated was this result? How is Nelson being treated by fellow R’s, I mean, D’s for his no vote …and by R’s too? Does this raise the odds of a real filibuster next vote? If there is one, I’d guess YOU would cover the late night shift, unless Kate or Alex are night owls too.
    .
    …and welcome back! I’m glad you’re back safe. Could you see the Mt. Jindal ash cloud in flight? Were airport counters / security checks back to “normal” or still messy? I hope your envir. training went well so you can face anything from Afghanistan to Tea Parties. Do you have touristy pix to share? Thanks also for working with Catherine. Please post her thoughts (and yours) more often …and per your tweets, I hope Bella is doing better, best wishes for a quick recovery.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jnsmall Jay Newton-Small

    his result was highly anticipated. Everyone knew that it’d fail. And by now, I think most Dems accept Nelson’s ways – he’s from a Red State and often does his own thing.

    I’ll be posting Catherine’s walk up and analysis to the final debate Thursday here. Plus, I think Adam will do a podcast with her on Friday. And Bella’s better, thanks for asking!
    JNS

  • jbaustian

    Quote: an ABC/Washington Post poll out today shows that nearly two-thirds of Americans want to see the bill passed. (end quote)
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    No, they want to see A bill passed — not necessarily this one. Not more than 1 in 100 know enough about the Democrat proposal to say accurately what is on it and what is not. I, myself, do not have a clue — but I would have opposed on general principles because if there is to be a good bill then it should pass 90-10 instead of 60-40 along party lines.

  • deconstructiva

    It’s great to hear Bella’s improving. I’ll look forward to Catherine’s analysis for that debate and yours for this debate. Hopefully Reid will stay po’ed enough to force all-nighters. I really will check out CSPAN at 3am to see cots / sleeping bags and if McConnell snores. Thanks.

  • carotexas1

    Thank you Jay, I may enjoy this if the Republicans hold out that long.

    The Republicans will have to have something really good to hold out very long on this. I hope the press will not let them off the hook if they do not offer really good changes only loopholes and weaken the bill.

  • carotexas1

    Thank you for the update, do they have to vote to do that?

  • kevin

    So when the polls were slightly against “health care reform” — vaguely defined, it polled about dead even — that was repeatedly touted by the conservatives on this blog as a sign that Democrats were “ignoring the will of the people.”
    .
    But now that the polls are strongly for “financial reform” — just as vaguely defined, it polls 2-to-1 in favor of reform — well, that’s a sign that the people just don’t understand the issues.
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    You all should really try to hide the hypocrisy a bit better.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jnsmall Jay Newton-Small

    No, they don’t have to vote- but Reid was making them. I love that the final vote was 50-31 which means that they lost 17 senators since the 5pm vote. Dinner, I imagine.
    JNS

  • kevin

    At the same time, Republicans say they may produce a GOP alternative.
    .
    I’m assuming they’ll get to that right after they produce the comprehensive health care bill they promised to have for us by the end of the summer in 2009.
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    I’m starting to think the Republican habit of saying “no, we need to start over” to every single issue is a Tourette’s tic.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “…which means that they lost 17 senators since the 5pm vote”
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    Jay, hadn’t you heard, the southern states just seceded? Their senators are now representing the confederacy. That’s like the NIT.
    .
    Many other options spring to mind: being whisked off away to a black-ops site, maybe to Guantanamo, to be dropped into Eyjafjallajokull. I love me my senate.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “Thank You, Sir, May We Have Another?”
    .
    Is that title supposed to reflect teabagger support for the very politicians and elites who have been spanking their arses and taking their sh!t for the last 30 years? You know, the equivalent of the Scottish in Braveheart thanking the British scum for raping their virgins.

  • deconstructiva

    …or perhaps the battling frat houses Deltas (D’s) vs. Omegas (R’s) from Animal House? But I wouldn’t give up the fight on finance reform. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Ah, Decon, now we’re getting to the rub of the matter. As Otter said:
    .
    “But you can’t hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn’t we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn’t this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg – isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we’re not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!”
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    Has ever a better argument been made against bringing the guilty to justice? I believe this is what Eric Holder has been saying.

  • deconstructiva

    Yes, it’s an excellent argument. And to think Bluto became a Senator later. Reid could use his help now. I can’t imagine Reid drinking an entire bottle of Jack Daniels on the Senate floor, but it’s easy to imagine Ensign screwing Mrs. Wormer.

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    You know, just once I’d like to see the GOP do something right. Like, their leadership stating that we obviously need finance reform and the Democrats have some solid ideas in their bill, but the GOP is concerned about X because of some empirically valid reason. As opposed to using “socialist” and “permanent bailout” and “will of the people” like reflexive responses to anything from the other side of the aisle.
    .
    My two-year-old son still bangs on his toy keyboard to try to make it sound like music. He’ll keep hitting the same keys reflexively, as if this time it will work. His six-year-old brother tries to show him how to do it and, most of the time, my two-year-old son has a fit and says “I do it!” or “No, mine!” Which seems to be a pretty accurate political allegory of Congress. I’ll let you all decide which party is represented by which child.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Digby, describing what a democratic party with extra large huevos might do:

    “Call The Bluff”

    “Who could have ever predicted that the Republicans (plus Bennie) would filibuster financial reform? Bowl me over with a feather.

    As I have written ad nauseam, this isn’t some deeply complicated Machiavellian strategy. They have done this since the moment Obama took office. they string the dems along, pretending to be earnestly engaged. Then they take offense at some irrelevant, niggling detail and vote against it en masse, holding out the bait that they may come back if the Dems will just water it down a little more to please them. Wash, rinse, repeat.

    Fine, there are some things in this world you can’t really do much about and in the case of the stimulus or health care reform you can make an argument that they had to do whatever it took to get them passed. Not this time. This is a hugely important problem and one that desperately needs to be fixed. And if the Republicans refuse to help do that, let them obstruct this legislation and take it to the voters. If the GOP wants to run on a platform of coddling rich bankers I say let them do it. The Democrats should come back with an even stronger plan and tell these idiots to take it or leave it.

    This is the equivalent of Newtie shutting down the government in 1995. The democrats ned to call their bluff.”

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Goldman being sued = sweet
    Walmart being sued = sweeter
    .
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100427/ap_on_bi_ge/us_wal_mart_discrimination

  • Cliff

    This.
    .
    Hey, maybe they can have that Paul Ryan guy come up with a new whizbang plan to cut taxes and privatize and deregulate everything in sight!

  • 3xfire3

    jbaustian,
    .
    As usual you bring out some very valid points.
    Relative to HCR, the public knows nothing of the details of this bill.
    .
    That will not stop Liberals from trying to make an argument that the public is in favor of this particular bill..
    .
    This of course is dishonest but that is politics for the left..
    .
    If the Democrats would stop trying to ram everything down the Republicans throats and work together as partners in the best interest of the country, we would have a good bill within days.
    .
    Too bad that Democrats believe that the scoring of political points is more important than the interest of the American public.

  • 3xfire3

    Read 2.2.
    It will answer all the questions in your posts.
    Enjoy

  • megatronrises

    I’m pretty sure voting no on everything isn’t just about scoring political points…
    .
    .
    .
    .
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    NOT!

  • Cliff

    Actually, I’ve got some questions.
    .
    Can you give us a specific example of Democrats ramming legislation down our throats? You know, any particularly forceful speeches or bills that weren’t passed with a majority vote.
    .
    Why was the individual mandate an okay thing for Romneycare in Massachusetts?
    .
    Why did this HCR bill look so much like what Bob Dole offered back in the 90s? By that I mean, why was it okay for Republicans then, but not now?
    .
    What alternatives do the Republicans offer?

  • redraven937

    I, myself, do not have a clue — but I would have opposed on general principles because if there is to be a good bill then it should pass 90-10 instead of 60-40 along party lines.

    It is difficult to have any such bill considering Republicans have zero interest in any legislation of any kind passing whatsoever.
    .
    That is besides the fact that having something pass 90-10 does not make it any better a piece of legislation by default. This could be the best bill ever created in the history of democracy and its merits would stand independent from the level of (bi)partisanship it received. People vote against good things for bad reasons and vice versa. If you do not expect the “good” Supreme Court verdicts to have all been 8-1 or 9-0, I don’t see how you can expect similar things from the Senate, let alone Congress in general.

  • apr2563

    Jay, actually Nelson was trying to do a carve out to protect Warren Buffet on derivatives. He did not prevail. Hopefully this will be as popular as his attempt to give special protection to Nebraska on Medicare in the HIR. That failed too. I know they can’t disown Nelson, but I wish the dems could strip him of committee chairs. Nebraska will never elect an alternative dem, so they are stuck.

  • Art Pepper

    it should pass 90-10

    Not even! It should pass 105 to 0.

  • Art Pepper

    Republicans say they may produce a GOP alternative.

    … if they happen to feel like it. Or, they may decide to play bocce ball, if the weather is nice. Or, they might send out some more fake census forms.

  • Matt

    Not sure Republicans realize the trouble they are in regarding the Wall Street vote and the Arizona illegal immigration bill. They are taking big risks in siding with highly unpopular institutions and positions on issues that will be now be key to thew midterms.

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • kbanginmotown

    Lucy. Charlie. Football. Rinse. Repeat.
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    Great link, JC.

  • 3xfire3

    If there was a poll of the American public and the questions were:
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    Do you think Congressional Democrats should draft a Financial Reform bill with little input from Republicans.
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    Agree…22%……Disagree……..75%
    .
    Do you think Congressional Democrats should fully engage and work with Republicans to draft a Financial Reform Bill:
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    Agree…..75%……..Disagree…….22%
    .
    The idea that the American public voted a majority for Democrats and they should write the bill with little input from Republicans does not face the reality of American Public opinion.
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    Congressional approval:….22%
    .
    Obama’s approval………….45%
    .
    Lets stop playing politics and work together in the best interest of the American public. That’s what they want Congress and the President to do.

  • 3xfire3

    jbaustian,
    .
    Have you noticed that Independents and Conservatives are the only Sane people who post on Swampland?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Of course the premise of your post ignores the fact that the bill being brought to the floor was co-authored by Bob Corker and in fact was developed in a bipartisan manner.

    But then again, lying just comes so naturally you barely even realize when your doing it.

  • kevin

    If the Democrats would stop trying to ram everything down the Republicans throats and work together as partners in the best interest of the country, we would have a good bill within days.
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    You clearly don’t understand the Senate. At all.
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    First of all, the bill at hand has already had a great deal of Republican input. Sens. Corker and Shelby worked closely with Sen. Dodd on this in the Banking Committee — which is why Corker at least was so active in smacking down McConnell for his lies about how this was a “bailout bill.” Republicans and Democrats have been working together.
    .
    Second, this vote was on a motion to proceed — in other words, a motion to start debate on the floor of the Senate, in full view of the American people, where any senator can propose changes to the language of the bill, offer their own ideas in amendments, and make any speech they’d like.
    .
    Third, the vote required a supermajority of senators, 60 out of 100. I know conservatives have a thinly-Freudian need to see every bit of routine parliamentary action as “ramming it down our throats,” but please. This was exactly according to the rules.
    .
    Your outrage would be more impressive if it weren’t based in total and complete ignorance.

  • kevin

    I’m not sure if he’s lying or is just generally ignorant.
    .
    I guess it could be a little of both.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Even if he’s only passing on something he’s heard, it’s still a lie. I might add that the current vote doesn’t end debate on the bill, it starts it. It does nothing to prevent Republican participation in crafting the legislation.

  • kevin

    Actually, I guess he creates his own reality.
    .
    I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anyone manufacture their own imaginary poll of what the American people would want and then cite that “evidence” to insist “Lets stop playing politics and work together in the best interest of the American public. That’s what they want Congress and the President to do.”

  • kevin

    Right — see my 2.6.
    .
    Facts be damned, 3xfire was told to be outraged — outraged! — by his media overlords.

  • 53_3

    He’s NewFreedomBlog’s cheef salesman now. As such, he doesn’t need no stinkin’ facts…

  • 53_3

    I noticed that 3xfire3 is becoming especially proficient at empty pleas:
    .
    “Lets stop playing politics and work together in the best interest of the American public.”
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    It reminds me of his equally empty plea yesterday. He just does not get it!

  • 53_3

    I really think 3xfire3 should revise his mantra to:
    .
    Can’t we all get along and just do things my way? I’m really a nice person! Really I am! If you would just accept the fact that I’m always right, there would be no problem at all!

  • 3xfire3

    53-3,
    .
    You are the one who does not get it.
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    If you have a problem with the statement,
    ” working together for the betterment of the American People” you don’t deserve to live in our great Democracy.
    .
    You should consider moving to one of the world’s worker’s paradises such at Cuba, Venezuela or possible North Korea. You would fit in so well there.
    .
    Now to show your intelligence, what name are you going to call me?

  • 3xfire3

    My Imaginary Polls is closer to reality then you Liberals would like to admit. Your afraid of the truth.
    .
    In a recent Poll 25% of probable voters said they were a member of the Tea Party. That makes the Tea Party considerably larger than the number that identify themselves as Liberals.
    .
    Kind of embarrassing for you Liberals who keep saying the Tea Party is irrelevant.

  • hippooath

    3xfire3,
    .
    what about the fact that people want finance reform doesn’t the right side understand? To reflexivly say no to everything will eventually doom GOP. Case in point; I had to listen to the endless rants about how Democrats would never win an election and the broiling scandals were not going to hurt GOP. They got smacked in 2006 for not listening and again in 2008.
    .
    Democrats stand to lose ground in 2010 but unless GOP start producing ideas they’re going to get slapped again.
    .
    Americans – unlike the plastic comic book version that some have of this country thrives on ideas, fairness and progress. We want solutions. And we won’t vote for people who do not move us forward.
    .
    You can stick your head in the sand and pretend that Obamas popularity will hurt him, but let me remind you that GWB had an even lower approval rating back in 2004. It’s not about the approval rating – it’s about the alternative. Kerry didn’t have the alternative, nor do the GOP.
    .
    Your attitude only solidifies your own base and keep it small, energetic and irrelevant. You can ignore the facts all you want and invent a alternative reality around it but eventually most people sees through the smoke screen and ignores you. Just like they did in 2006 and 2008. Scream all you want but GOP ignores the issue at hand at their own peril.
    .
    “working together for the betterment of the American People” you don’t deserve to live in our great Democracy”
    .
    This if anything exemplifies how irrelevant your side is becoming – you ignore the fact that there are bi-partisan support for the bill and that GOP is now playing politics with it. And then you say that if we don’t like this childish game we don’t deserve to live in our great Democracy. While I don’t subscribe to telling anyone where they should or should not live, but why don’t you read up on the democratic process and come back to me when you have an idea of what it really means.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Lets stop playing politics and work together in the best interest of the Republican Party.”
    .
    There I fixed it for you 3x.
    .
    Because the GOP has demonstrated over and over again they have no interest in working together. They political gain in being the party of “No”. Until that changes, ‘working together’ is code for the GOP taking their ball and going home.
    .
    Oh, and in response to your crack about how liberals should move to Cuba. How about this? I know a country that has limited regulation of industry and almost no entitlement programs or social services. Sounds perfect for you, doesn’t it?
    .
    Enjoy your move to Mexico.

  • kevin

    Here’s a poll — one that actually happened, one that I can back up with an actual link — that says the Tea Party represents 18 percent, not 25 percent, of the voting public.
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html
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    Not irrelevant, no. But that 15 percent is a direct subset of the far-right conservative base, so who cares? They were always going to vote Republican, and they still will.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    working together for the betterment of the American People…
    .
    Again ignoring the fact that Dodd and Corker were doing just that until McConnell decided to throw Corker under the bus for the sole benefit of the R’s.
    .
    It’s nice to be able to spout platitudes. They’d be even nicer if they weren’t premised on flagrant lies.

  • 3xfire3

    Kevin,
    .
    I understand very well how thew senate works.
    You may have noticed that the bill came out of committee on a very partisan vote by committee members. That’s not working together for the common good.
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    Your overuse of the word ignorant only show your very low IQ.

  • 3xfire3

    Hippo,
    .
    My hypothetical Poll in post 12 is closer to reality then Liberals are willing to admit.
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    Both sides want Financial reform. The American Public wants Financial Reform. Historically almost all major legislation such as this has been put together jointly by the leadership of both parties and the President.
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    This has not been done in this case.
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    Why?
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    Because the President and the Democratic controlled House and Senate thought they had a largest enough majority that they could do it their way and did not need or want significant Republican input. They are willing to make a few minor changes in hopes of getting a couple Republicans to vote for their bill so they can claim that it is bipartisan.
    .
    This is not in the best interest of the American Public.
    Strong input from the President and both sides would create a better bill. This is true in every life situation.
    When people work together better results are accomplished.
    .

  • 3xfire3

    moment,
    .
    read 13.2

  • earljr1

    Okay, let me take a shot at solving your analogy. I see the six year old as representing the GOP. Being older and presumably, somewhat wiser, he is trying to teach to younger and more impetuous brother the value of fiscal responsibility. You cannot borrow yourself out of debt, said the older brother, but I will, I will, said the younger brother. Throwing money at a problem will cure ANYTHING! Look at the democrats, they spend, spend, spend and if it bankrupts the country, they care not. I want to be just like them, because mommy says they are “cool” and NEVER have to assume ANY responsibility! How did I do, shakespeare? Did I ace this course?

  • 53_3

    “Now to show your intelligence, what name are you going to call me?”
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    There there, 3xfire3, I’m sure you are a very nice individual. You done tole me so your ownself! I’m realy, really, really sorry I left so many holes in your ideological ship an’ I really din’ mean it!
    .
    Really, I didn’t. It’s just that, well, there were all these little fact thingies lying around.
    .
    I pwomise I will never ever do it again, and next time, I will choose GOP oriented opinions over them.

  • 53_3

    Speaking of 13.2:
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    “My hypothetical Poll in post 12 is closer to reality then Liberals are willing to admit.”
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    Are we going to have to create a Intellectual Welfare Program For Crackpots where they are spotted an advantage, like being able to use hypothetical arguments and artifacture, such as “polls” as well as opinions in lieu of proof?
    .
    It’s ok with me, I guess. I just want to know the rules of the game. I had no idea we had to give them a handicap!

  • 53_3

    shakespeare:
    .
    see my comment at 14.7
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    I think that I figured this out…

  • 53_3

    3xfire3:
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    re your comment at 14.2:
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    It seems to me you purposely left out the part that I had a problem with. What I had a problem with was the “Lets stop playing politics ” part of your empty plea, since by all consideration, that describes everything, without exception that you have done so far here in the swamp.
    .
    And of course, there are insults and then, of course, there are insults. You are good at the implicit ones.
    .
    I just go for the explicit, but only when the need arises. That way, all my cards are on the table, for all to see…

  • 53_3

    3xfire3:
    .
    “Your overuse of the word ignorant only show your very low IQ.”
    .
    See my comment at 14.8
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    I am guilty of digression, though.
    .
    By dint of your comment to Kevin, it is clearly apparent that you ought to know…

  • earljr1

    53-3 is beyond hope. This is an example of being so deeply entrenched in the liberal “nanny’ mindset, that any hope of productivity is lost. Creativity, however, is another matter, entirely. The ability to lose one’s self in a fantasy world, pretend that money can be printed indefinitely and entitlement is a way of life…WINS the award for creativity! Congratulations, 53-3, you have been granted a lifetime pass to Obamaworld. Now, if you and your ilk can just lose yourselves on fantasy Island, productive and useful Americans can try to correct the awful mess you have left us.

  • 3xfire3

    Kevin,
    .
    Sorry to bust your bubble but a Republican alternative finance Reform bill has already been released.

  • 3xfire3

    earljr1,
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    I could not have said it better myself.
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    Trying to have a rational discussion with 53-3, Patrick and most of the other Liberals on this site is almost impossible.
    .
    They totally lack all logic and common sense. It’s like taking to a two year old. They just can’t comprehend anything that does not follow the liberal line.
    They worship Obama as if he was a God.
    .
    When you catch them in a lie they simply change the subject and start using personal attacks and calling names.
    .
    What a bunch of losers.

  • jbaustian

    The alternative financial reform act proposed by the Republicans on Tuesday seems reasonable, from what I’ve heard. I have not read all the details.

  • earljr1

    You are right, 3x, their smugness only disguises their stupidity.

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