In the Arena

A Big Favor From Lindsey Graham

Lindsey Graham effectively killed the Senate’s looming cap-and-trade package by yanking his support from the bill–and thereby did the Democrats a favor. I’m all in favor of combating global warming, although I think a straight-ahead carbon tax (refundable in the form of reduced payroll taxes) would do the job far more efficiently than cap-and-trade. But if I’m a Democratic strategist, I’m thinking Augustinian thoughts: Lord, make me energy independent, but not just yet.

Why? Because the public has had quite enough, thank you, of government activism this year…and, after Wall Street reform is passed, any further attempts to pass major legislation will add to legitimate conservative arguments that the federal government is attempting to do much to do any of it well. Health care and Wall Street reform were certainly worth doing–but only if caarefully managed and it remains to be seen whether the Obama Administration, which has succeeded in legislating, will have equal or better luck when it comes to actually governing. In any case, public skepticism about the Democratic Party is bound to increase if another humongous piece of legislation, which effectively guarantees higher energy prices, is passed this year.

A more difficult decision looms on immigration. I am a huge, unabashed supporter of immigration reform, including a major expansion of the number of newcomers we allow in each year, especially those with skills. It is a matter both of simple justice and economic wisdom. The more immigrants who arrive, historically, the more the country thrives. They start businesses. They pay taxes. They buy things. Their children work hard in school and go to college. It’s the essential process of this nation’s history. The more mongrelized we come, the stronger we become. (And regular Swampland readers know that I’m also a huge fan of mongrelization, the creation of a new American identity that supercedes and renders irrelevant the notion of race.)

For Democrats, however, an immigration push that comes as the white working class is suffering major job losses and anxieties, is a recipe for disaster. It is said that Harry Reid wants immigration reform to mobilize Nevada Latinos to vote for him in his difficult reelection campaign. It’s the right policy for the wrong reason. I strongly support the passage of immigration reform as soon as possible…but don’t be surprised if Republicans are thrilled to see Democrats make a big deal of it this election year.

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  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Yeah, whatever you do, don’t piss off whitey in real ‘Merkuh.

  • northpoleresident

    Stop being so miserable. Hate will consume you until it tears you apart from within.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Clearly, the right is susceptible to revenge and cannot rise above it. However, it doesn’t quite explain why they do so much whining when one of their own is criticized. They are obviously no better than everyone else, in spite of claims to the opposite.

    Given their lunatic mood, perhaps it is better if Obama spend his time preparing to put the militant lunatics in prison, should they ever find the nerve to back up their angry rhetoric with real action. I’m betting the chickenshits remain the draft avoiding cowards most of them are.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Respectfully, Joe, this post strikes me as too DC-pundity. Immigration and climate change are real things going on in the world that need to be addressed. So, let’s do stuff.
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    I think that writing that “the People are tired of the government implementing policies” is easy cynicism. The government is supposed to implement sensible policies! Yes, one of the two parties is 100% devoted to (a) not doing anything and (b) using maximalist rhetoric to freak people out. But responsible elected officials should try to do their jobs nonetheless.

  • northpoleresident

    mongrelization? I love it. I used to refer to myself as a mut, but now consider me mongrelized. Our obsession with race identity has historically caused nothing but anguish and suffering. That and organized religion.

  • http://twitter.com/HULAgate obamastank

    IMPEACH Barry Obama?

    Yes, yes we can.

  • newfreedomblog

    Mr. Reid said that Mr. Graham was under “tremendous pressure” from fellow Republicans not to cooperate with Democrats on either energy or immigration. In a swipe, he added, “But I will not allow him to play one issue off of another, and neither will the American people. They expect us to do both, and they will not accept the notion that trying to act on one is an excuse for not acting on the other.”

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    The “Cap and Tax” bill did not have a hooters chance in hell of ever coming to the floor of the Senate. Every single Republican, including Lindsey “RINO” Graham, knows the current anger in the heartland would overwhelmingly explode if they began to shed light onto this farce from the far left liberal environmental death squads led by Al Gore.
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    Now Immigration Reform is a totally different story. I do believe Obambi, Ridiculous Reid and Penelope Pelosi will attempt to further the far left’s agenda to corral the Latino vote in hopes it saves at least a couple of now Democrat controlled seats in Congress. I truly hope they do take this on before November. With over 70% of the population now favoring a policy for our police to stop suspected illegals, question them, and then shipping them back from where ever they came from should be our new immigration policy.
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    If you thought health care reform was a volatile issue. Show over 20% of unemployed Americans that they should take a back seat to illegals. That people who have proven they came into this country illegally matter more to the Democrats than they do, HAHAHAHA, please please Democrats, go for “immigration reform”!!!

  • newfreedomblog

    Welcome back Question Hillary!

  • jbaustian

    I am glad to hear that cap-and-trade is dead. It does not matter whether Joe Klein approves or not, his opinions mean nothing.
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    Opinion-writers are supposed to persuade — Joe Klein does not try to do that. Journalists and reporters are supposed to report news, but that is not Joe’s forte. And they are should at least try to do it without bias; Joe makes no effort to try this. So what is he and why is he paid to do whatever it is he does?

  • sevenoaks07

    Isn’t Graham just doing his thing? Now all we need is McCain and Lieberman to join in and complete the act from the Three Petulant Amigos.

  • http://twitter.com/HULAgate obamastank

    Jihad Joke, like the other old lefty loon Rolling Stoners, insists that Asheville and Austin are the new cultural and economic centers of Obamastan.

    Never mind the sky high crime, and sky high taxes.

    And wall of separation of libs from expensive unschooled minorities (I-35 in Austin, railroad tracks in Carolina).

    Klein is sadly still stuck on Foggy Bottoms 14 with Kerry, Hayden, McGovern, any remaining Kennedy, and the rest of the 60′s relics that have no legacy other than democrap disaffection and Mother Jones diatribes.

    Move on, indeed.

  • northpoleresident

    Wow, some people are absolutely obsessed with Obama. How miserable could you possibly be? Why can’t they just face the fact that they lost? It really ticks them off that a black man with a muslim name is President of The United States. The hatred is so thick you can barely see through it.

  • 53_3

    Wow. Stupid is back.
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    Oh, well. More importantly:
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    Joe, I think that Obama would best FF to other matters than the two he’s chosen to queue up.

  • http://twitter.com/HULAgate obamastank

    Time Reprized: Burying Uncle Teddy…

    4am: Paul Headstone’s ghost appears to Joe WHAT FN COPYRIGHT Biden, wants to know if Ashley’s killer coke habit is covered under Obamacaid.

  • newfreedomblog

    “So what is he and why is he paid to do whatever it is he does?”

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    Lap Dog. Google it!!
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    “A lapdog is a dog that is small enough to be held in the arms or lie comfortably on a person’s lap. Lapdogs are not a specific breed, but is a generic term …”

  • 53_3

    It already did. Didn’t you notice?

  • 53_3

    Can they sing?

  • http://twitter.com/HULAgate obamastank

    Yes, because, you know, like, dude, so many Barry Obama peeps from Berzerkley are going in to the Army and law enforcement.

    Hope & Chavez!

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh Cookie, you say the darndest things. “Whitey”, are you inciting again? Is this like how John L Lewis and Nancy Pelosi walked through the Tea Party Protest lines in hopes of creating a big stink over the so called “racists”?
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    We, the Tea Party Nation, will not fall for your whithering diversions and attacks. We shall prevail. We shall overcome.
    .

    “They will first ignore you, then laugh at you, then fight you. Then you will WIN!!! ….Mahatama Ghandi”

  • http://twitter.com/HULAgate obamastank

    Kookoo Klein is a bellwether for November.

    And it IS going to be a long, hot summer non-vacation of confronting spastic socialism and media mutt hypocrisy, for the duration.

    http://www.binscorner.com/pages/d/death-threats-against-bush-at-protests-i.html

    LET’S ROLL on to IMPEACHMENT IN JANUARY.

  • deconstructiva

    Rusty (aka newfreedomlady), don’t get your panty caught in a wedgie again; it makes you cranky. You forgot to mention your Sleeping White Giant™. You didn’t bring your A-game today.

  • jbaustian

    That’s a pretty impressive site, obmastank. Thanks for posting. This makes the signage at tea party rallies look prtty tame.

  • northpoleresident

    Most of us who never had a president who represented us or even cared about us still managed to live our lives with pride and even success. The fact that you have to deal with someone different as president for one year and can not handle it says a lot about your lack of character. Obama has been president for one year and now suddenly the U.S. is doomed? now you know how we have felt our entire lives.
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    Those of us who elected Obama and finally have someone who represents us are more than happy to see the other side squarm for once. Keep up your miserable rhetoric and continue to remind us that for once the side of oppression knows what if feels like. The youth came out to elect Obama in historical numbers. He belongs to our generation and good luck with going against that wave.
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    Besides, how are you going to win another general election with close to 0% of the black, hispanic, and really any immigrant or ethnic vote. How quick the GOP forgets the significance of the hispanic vote to George Bush’s slim 2000 victory. You can kiss that demographic goodbye.
    .

  • deconstructiva

    Is John Ashcroft still on tour singing?

  • http://twitter.com/HULAgate obamastank

    How many Mexicans and Americans on the border and in Phoenix have died from the lib drug habits of Ashley Biden, iGore Junior, Howard Scream The Third, the junior adult staff at PBS, the Peabrain’s Republic Of Vermont?

    10′s? 100′s? 1000′s?

    I’m guessing the carnage in South El Paso will get linked to Scranton proper’s Poppa’s little buffet girl about the same Time that Jihad Joe accepts the fact that actual freedom has never had anything to do with his bent view of Spanish alcohol helping his LLC version of American journalism.

    Hope & Hoofystan!

  • northpoleresident

    Yeah, I’m sure Ghandi would side with the hate filled racists who couldn’t even stomach one year of a non-white president after dishing out over 200 years oppression and apartheid.

  • newfreedomblog

    Yes Ladies and Gentlemen you have heard it first, here on TIME.com’s swampland.
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    The Gestapo and Soviet-like KGB’ers are now advocating for internment camps. Is there any doubt what our socialist friends on the left truly want as their far left liberal agenda moves forward?
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    Thank you for making Glenn Beck’s predictions of what the socialist lefties of the Democratic Party truly want for America. No wonder Bertha Lewis is now professing her desire for the “Socialist of America to unite”.
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    As the left becomes more incensed by the right’s protests of this insane Administration, they cannot hold back on their true agenda. They are no longer able to refrain from their violent past.

    “The People’s Party Workers of the World unite!!! Put them in jail like Castro. Jail them like Chavez does. Take the playbook of the bosheviks and use it against them”.

  • http://twitter.com/HULAgate obamastank

    Thanks for writing the GOP’s TV ads for November.

    Hope & Chavez!

  • deconstructiva

    Every time you click these pages, let alone reply, you’re driving up the thread count and supporting the advertising …which pays Joe’s salary. So YOU, Rusty, and (whatever this new creature is) are all helping to support Joe in spite of yourselves, oops. So why are you whining?

  • apr2563

    There is nothing but toxic waste coming from your mind.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    You got it losers, everyone of you whining pussies are going down, as soon as you work up the nerve to actually do something, other than run your empty headed mouths.

  • http://twitter.com/HULAgate obamastank

    Yes, the recent election thingies in Virginia and New Jersey and Massachusetts were just aberrations from typical white racist crackers that actually love to pay for Barry’s Newports habit and your free clinic visits and Joke Klein’s rotting liver care.

    You keep thinking that.

  • northpoleresident

    Funny how the racists can’t stand one year of a non-white president after dishing out over 200 years of oppression and apartheid. Suddenly after one year without the power and they can’t handle it. Pretty weak.

  • 53_3

    Wow. Wouldn’t ya know it.
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    If I wasn’t as smart as the average bear, I woulda thunk QH was 40 people!

  • 53_3

    Cheney can play drums…

  • http://twitter.com/HULAgate obamastank

    Stop picking on Billary and Tom Jefferson!

  • 53_3

    Rusty really likes that quote. I’ve seen him copy and paste it about 30 times now.

  • Cliff

    Because the public has had quite enough, thank you, of government activism this year…
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    What don’t you get about this, Joe? Global warming is occurring right now.
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    Nine people were killed in tornadoes in the Midwest yesterday. DC got buried in 30 inches of snow. Rhode Island has been flooded. North Dakota has been flooded. Georgia has been flooded.
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    Can you remember a year where California didn’t suffer an incredible series of fires?
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    We like to think of global warming as something that might happen in the future, but we’re seeing the effects of it now.

  • newfreedomblog

    I am sure Barack Obama is a nice person. He is just a ruthless, coniving, Chicago Political whiz. He learned his lessons well from the likes of Tony Resko, Bubba Clinton, “Hang them Hillary”, Atilla Pelosi, Rambo Rahm, Screamin Howard Dean, and El Environmental Al Gore.
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    Seeing that the makeup of those under 30, who historically do not vote especially in non-Presidential election cycles will not overcome the vast numbers assembling with the Tea Party Patriots against the first elected Socialist President of the United States of America.
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    You see northpileofcrap, Conservative Democrats, Republicans and Independents make up the other 70% who have had their eyes opened. It is no longer “Eyes Wide Shut” any longer. It is the rebirth of our Constitution. It is the rebirth of Conservativism. It is the rebirth of morals, values and ideals which have made this country great.
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    This year, progressives shall be relegated back to the hole they crawled out of in 2008. Despite all of the mental corruption of our children, they do still listen to us. When they see the fear in our eyes, they know and understand why it is so imperitive we stop progressive and socialist from ever taking root in this country ever again.
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    If I was you, I would buy a one-way ticket to France. You may enjoy summertime in Paris.

  • 53_3

    Here is a spectacular example of how these crackheads deliberately revise American history, with annedemo01 putting words in Abe Lincoln’s mouth:
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    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/04/23/republican-governors-pay-homage-to-guy-fawkes/comment-page-3/#comment-158558
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    Shephardwong caught him in the act!

  • deconstructiva

    Which quote of Rusty’s? Sleeping White Giant™?

  • Cliff

    Also, let me add:
    Lindsey Graham killed climate legislation? What a shocker. No one could have predicted that a prominent Republican would betray the Democrats on one of their signature issues.
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    But Lieberman is still on board, right? I mean, we can trust him because he caucuses with the Democrats on everything except the Iraq War.
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    He is definitely still in climate legislation’s corner.

  • 53_3

    npres:
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    Seems to me that these loonies are still stuck in 2003. Next, we’ll hear about “old Europe”…

  • newfreedomblog

    ACK!! Run chicken little RUN!! Back to the hen house. The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!

  • Art Pepper

    It’s very nearly too late to take any effective action on climate change. The window of opportunity is now down to less than a decade. After that, it may become irreversable.

    Ergo, let’s wait a few more years.

    I think the problem arises because even many people who nominally believe in climate change don’t “really” (in their guts) believe there is a looming danger. Hence Joe can write:

    I’m all in favor of combating global warming

    as if to say, “I’m all in favor of picking up trash by the highway, but there are more important things to worry about.”

  • 53_3

    …let me make that 45 people…

  • newfreedomblog

    What is there to worry about with “Climate Change” ala Global Warming, when Ahmadenijad finally gets nukes as Obama fails in foreign policy? What will anything really matter after that?

  • 53_3

    It may take as long as 200,000 years to get that CO2 back into the rocks, locked up safely away from any chance of forcing the climate. Generally, the Carbon cycle needs that as minimum time, but paleoenvironmentally speaking, the CO2 increase (~100 ppm) would be at the lower end of the range for reuptake times.
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    We are at the front end of what is likely to be a nonlinear change in climate, and even if we were to hold our current levels by immediately instituting restraints, the damage may have already been done.

  • 53_3

    Already reminded him of that on the other thread.
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    I save that one especially for those moments when Rusty pontificates on race. It is simply just too much to ask me to avoid picking up someones’ own chestnuts and handing them back to them.
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    I’m sure Rusty will have to pick very carefully through that last statement to figure out what I just said.

  • 53_3

    You are getting old, QH.
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    Don’t you remember you already did that at 20.1?
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    See my comment at 20.2.

  • 53_3

    I have a theory about QH:
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    I think he took some extacy this morning.
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    He thinks he can fly.
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    However, keep in mind that he’s a latecomer, as birds had been doing it for 150,000,000 years, pterosaurs for 220,000,000, insects for 330,000,000, and even bats, coming in at second-to-last at a mere 55,000,000 years.
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    God looks sharply in QH’s direction
    Huh? Wha…
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    Zzzzzzzing…

  • 53_3

    The best way I can think of to describe QH is like this:

    in·sane
       /ɪnˈseɪn/ Show Spelled[in-seyn] Show IPA
    –adjective
    1.
    not sane; not of sound mind; mentally deranged.
    2.
    of, pertaining to, or characteristic of a person who is mentally deranged: insane actions; an insane asylum.
    3.
    utterly senseless: an insane plan.
    Use insane in a Sentence
    See images of insane
    Search insane on the Web
    Origin:
    1550–60; < L insānus. See in-3, sane

    —Related forms
    in·sane·ly, adverb
    in·sane·ness, noun
    pseu·do·in·sane, adjective

    —Synonyms
    1. demented; lunatic, crazed, crazy; maniacal. 3. foolish, irrational. See mad.
    _____________________________
    Now, starting with that all one has to do is simply remove the 's' from the word and you get:
    _____________________________
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    in·ane
       /ɪˈneɪn/ Show Spelled[ih-neyn] Show IPA
    –adjective
    1.
    lacking sense, significance, or ideas; silly: inane questions.
    2.
    empty; void.
    –noun
    3.
    something that is empty or void, esp. the void of infinite space.
    Use inane in a Sentence
    See images of inane
    Search inane on the Web
    Origin:
    1655–65; < L inānis

    —Related forms
    in·ane·ly, adverb

    —Synonyms
    1. pointless. See foolish.

  • newfreedomblog

    The best way I can think of to describe IQ53 is like this:
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    Fool
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    There’s no fool like an old fool definition
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    The most extreme fools are people whose age should have made them wise.
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    noun
    1.a silly or stupid person; a person who lacks judgment or sense.
    2.a professional jester, formerly kept by a person of royal or noble rank for amusement: the court fool.
    3.a person who has been tricked or deceived into appearing or acting silly or stupid: to make a fool of someone.
    4.an ardent enthusiast who cannot resist an opportunity to indulge an enthusiasm (usually prec. by a present participle): He’s just a dancing fool.
    5.a weak-minded or idiotic person.
    –verb (used with object)
    6.to trick, deceive, or impose on: They tried to fool him.
    –verb (used without object)
    7.to act like a fool; joke; play.
    8.to jest; pretend; make believe: I was only fooling.
    —Verb phrases
    9.fool around,
    a.to putter aimlessly; waste time: She fooled around all through school.
    b.to philander or flirt.
    c.to be sexually promiscuous, esp. to engage in adultery.
    10.fool away, to spend foolishly, as time or money; squander: to fool away the entire afternoon.
    11.fool with, to handle or play with idly or carelessly: to be hurt while fooling with a loaded gun; to fool with someone’s affections.
    —Idiom
    12.be nobody’s fool, to be wise or shrewd.
    Use fool in a Sentence
    See images of fool (Picture of IQ53)
    Search fool on the Web (Descriptoin of IQ53)

    ——————————————————————————–

    Origin:
    1225–75; ME fol, fool < OF fol < L follis bellows, bag; cf. follis

    —Related forms
    un·fooled, adjective
    un·fool·ing, adjective
    well-fooled, adjective

    —Synonyms
    1. simpleton, dolt, dunce, blockhead, numskull, ignoramus, dunderhead, ninny, nincompoop, booby, saphead, sap. 2. zany, clown. 5. moron, imbecile, idiot. 6. delude, hoodwink, cheat, gull, hoax, cozen, dupe, gudgeon.

  • apr2563

    I did not associate myself with that kind of rhetoric about Bush, even though I thought he was responsible for innumerable deaths. However, if you want to duplicate that mind set you are doing a good job.
    Hate does not allow dialogue.

  • apr2563

    53-3 thanks for linking to shepherdwong’s call out of annademo01′s lying quote. You notice annademo01 slinked away on that thread not to be heard from again.
    They are all cowards.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    NFB~
    ~
    I’ve responded to your post on JK’s “Pressuring Iran” thread below. I apologize for the length, but I believe it’s well worth the read.

  • 53_3

    Rusty:
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    How is that Sleeping White Giant anyway?

  • rhoadie

    Lindsay Graham has indeed done us a favor, as Joe Klein suggests. I can’t however, help adding that the manner in which he did it is typical of the partisan obstructionism that has beccome the Republican creed: “I didn’t get my way, so I’m gonna take my toys and go home! Boo-Hoo!”

  • deconstructiva

    …speaking of origins of names here, stuart earlier discovered the origin of rusty’s “newfreedom” name…
    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/26/skin-in-the-game-members-of-congress-will-be-covered-by-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-150574
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    and here’s the “Hey! Are you a New Freedom™ lady?”ad –
    http://dt.prohosting.com/70s/adulttv/adulttv.html
    (go about 1/3 – not 2/3 – down page to blue “1976” tv logos at left, click on one at New Freedom™ ad to play audio clip)

  • apr2563

    Joe Klein, have you noticed how when you post the right wing lets loose it’s most vile, empty rhetoric in response. You can almost picture them slithering out from under the ooze where they live, listening to their masters Beck, Limbaugh, Fox, et al.
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    They come to Swampland not prepared for discussion but to state the most graceless, ignorant and insane points of view. I guess it is a good thing to see their hatred exposed.

  • 53_3

    No problem, apr.
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    It was such a glaring faux pas that I had to call attention to it.
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    When I read the quote, something didn’t ring quite right. I think it was the “slipping in” of that 20th and 21st century supply side stuff about “wage payers” that hinted at it. It just didn’t seem Lincoln-esque to me.
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    Maybe shephardwong can put the link to the real thing here. I’d like to see just how and what annedemo01 did to “modify” Lincoln’s quoter, or if it was simply a robbery of Peter to pay Paul…

  • 53_3

    Joe is a Pied Piper of a different sort, apr.

  • 3xfire3

    Actual Proof that Liberals are Total Hypocretes
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    I am again amazed. All of you Liberals have been saying how the Tea Party has some signs signs that denigrate President Obama.
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    Then you see a post like 1.2 with literally hundreds of signs, displays and vedios calling for George Bush to be killed and you say nothing.
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    As I have said on many occasions Liberals are hypocretes. How can you complain about the Tea Party when it’s signs and protests are mild compared to these Left Wing protests.
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    For you to say nothing against these signs and displays, illustrate your double standard whenever
    it suites your purpose.

  • 53_3

    Rusty:
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    I thought I might point out that I did not modify my definitions of the words insane and inane. The only thing I did was to bold the words at the heading when I copy/pasted them.
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    However, Rusty, in a fit of inanity (see 26), felt the need to modify his, and add several less obvious modifications besides just attempting to insult me.
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    For everyone who is interested, here is the definition as it actually is at dictionary.com:
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fool
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    Look for yourselves!

  • deconstructiva

    apr, I wonder what Joe did long ago to p*$$ them off. Tumulty got many nasty responses (rusty?) but not as many, and she fought back too. I hope your tech. problem note to Kate got fixed. When you pondered page hits and “1000 words”, I agree. Too many high-count posts here are just rw’ers slinging lame insults at us followed by our better retorts. I’m guilty of throwing crap back at ‘em, but at times they need to be called out lest others think silence means approval; it doesn’t. However, “1000 words” is a good example of many replies. That’s an Algonquin Round Table dialogue I prefer here. It brings out the best in your one-liners and others like 53, sacred, kbang, dundweller, etc.

  • 53_3

    I think it was when Joe started responding to Kristol and the neocon dwarves when they got on him about his opinions about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh poor little IQ53, I do enjoy it when you get your panties all bunched up like decon and april2563.
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    Here is the link, in full, no edits.
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    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fool
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  • 53_3

    3xfire3:
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    Has anybody pointed out to you that your opinions are vacuous and without merit, or factuality?
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    I just thought I might mention it, given the wide berth you gave to request for facts yesterday that supported your opinions.
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    It’s like leading a horse to water. an example of your stupidity is this:
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    If you, or the others were to actually listen and make the appropriate changes, your movement might stand to gain some 5,000,000 to 7,000,000 voters!
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    But Hell No! 3xfire3, Rusty, QH, Freeinpa et al are so stupid as to realize that they have been looking a gift horse in the mouth for a number of years, but instead of using their brains, they would rather stick to the norms of the early ’60s and ’50s!
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    I hereby declare you, and your idiot peers, dumber than a warm rock on a windowsill!
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    That is all.

  • 3xfire3

    Protest Becomes Violent Post 7.4
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    Very strange a Pro Illigal Immagration Protest becomes violent and it is not reported by the MSM.
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    Hundreds of Tea Party Protest have taken place with no violence and the MSM covers them extensively claiming that they have the seeds of violence. The MSM reports about potential evils from the Tea Party.
    .
    Guess what. No violence and these Patriotic Mainstream Americans actually pick up their own trash after their protests.
    .
    Again the double standard of the Liberal MSM.

  • 53_3

    Well, Rusty, how is that Sleeping White Giant today? And how are your Stormfront buddies today?
    .
    I’m fine btw, it wasn’t the insults, it was your doctoring of the pasted information.
    .
    You see, Rusty, I have facts.
    .
    All you have is FOX…

  • 53_3

    Oh, and 3xfire3:
    .
    On the subject of being stupid as a log, it seems that you are very deficient at counting. I saw one sign in each picture.
    .
    How did that get to be “hundreds”?!?!?

  • megatronrises

    Every time someone on the right uses the term ‘socialist’ I am further convinced that they have no idea what the term means.

  • megatronrises

    Taxes are at the lowest they’ve been for decades. Sky high? Try 50 years ago when taxes on the rich were nearly half their income.

  • megatronrises

    I repeat: Every time someone on the right uses the term ‘socialist’ I am further convinced that they have no idea what the term means.

  • 3xfire3

    northpole,
    .
    I know it’s hard for Liberals to understand but it’s not about race. It’s about the political direction Obama is taking our country. You may be young and don’t yet understand the importance of a free society. Socialism takes much of this freedom away from the individual and the state controls much of your life.That is not what our country is about.
    .
    Obama’s approval rating has gone from around 70% after his election to around 45% today. Does that sound like racism is his problem.
    .
    Northpole don’t aline yourself with the Left in our country. They only want power and control over American citizens, not what is in the interest of the average American.

  • shepherdwong

    The quote is fully Boetcker’s, not a word of it was Lincoln.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._H._Boetcker
    .
    The origin of the “conservative” lie that it was Lincoln probably comes from none other than Ronald Reagan (like so many “conservative” lies).
    .
    http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/P/rr40/speeches/rnc92.htm
    .
    Speaking of which, the last chance we had to avoid catastrophic warming via reducing our carbon footprint through conservation was when Jimmy effing Carter told us to park the car, put on a sweater, turn down the thermostat and start using alternatives to oil as fast as we were able. Unless we find some way to either sequester all that carbon (debating cap-and-trade is like arguing about whether to break out the Dixie cups to start bailing out the Titanic) or mitigate its effect it will be Reagan, more than any other person, who will be responsible for the end of human civilization as we’ve known it.

  • 3xfire3

    53-3,
    .
    Your failure to say anything against those signs shows that you are not deserving of any respect. Your mind is warped.

  • 3xfire3

    apr,
    .
    You made a typo. I’m sure you ment to say when the Left slithering out.
    .
    With this correction you comments are now accurate.
    Your descriptions of people on the right are only your reflection in the mirror.
    .
    You like 53, patric, afguy and a few others are pure idealogues who see everything through distorted left wing glasses.
    .
    It’s too bad that you guys and gals can’t have minds that are a least a little bit open so you could help improve the world.

  • 3xfire3

    53-3,
    .
    I see that race baiting is still your favorite passtime.

  • 3xfire3

    Obamastank,
    .
    Thanks for your comments and especially the links about Kill Bush. This helps expose the lies of the Left on this sight that claim the right is inflaming passion against Obama but sits in silence when they see violent protests by the left.
    .
    Thanks again for your posts. Comed back often and share your facts with us. The left on this site tend to make up their own facts.

  • 3xfire3

    53-3,
    .
    The answer you requested on the Republican Governor’s article are posted at 53.9 at that article.

  • apr2563

    de:My comment problem still not fixed so I assume others are still having problems. I know I don’t visit the site as often because lacking updates. Being retired, I can spend time checking back in on responses. Others, I am sure, can not. I miss 1000 words also.
    .
    53_3: I agree with the Kristol impetus for sending the crazies here. Also, Drudge and Beck give them an extra push. Monkeys see monkeys do.
    .
    Then we have 3xfire3′s intelligent, “so your old man” response to this thread.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    I have a hard time deciding if they just play at being stupid, to anger Liberals, or if they are just as empirically stupid as they appear.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    3xfire
    ~
    Why would you encourage such flagrant rabble-rousing? It’s nonsensical incitements such as this that paste us conservatives as deliquents and morons. Obamastank, by the moniker alone, should not be taken seriously, even less so given the content and style in which he/she/it has posted. Perhaps you’ve noticed that Obamastank has not engaged in actual discussions with anyone, it just leaves crude partisan one-liners and drops an occasional link. Not that there are not progressive, liberal commenters here who do the same, but we shouldn’t glorify or encourage absolute utter bullsh!t coming from our camp either. Actually, not sure I’m even in Obamastank’s camp, who seems to not have any principles other than oppose Obama, oppose Democrats no matter the situation, no matter the cost. Pure absurdity.

  • kevin

    1775?
    .
    Sounds like someone is getting his history from Texas School Board approved history books.

  • kevin

    Rusty loves that quote.
    .
    Not enough to learn how to spell “Gandhi,” but he still loves it.

  • kevin

    The simplest answer is usually right. And dear God, these people are simple.

  • kevin

    Yes, by all means, please try to impeach the president again.
    .
    That worked out so well for the Republican Party when you tried it against the last Democratic President.
    .
    Go ahead and try to shut down the federal government, too. Or hell, just secede again.
    .
    America: Love it or leave it, conservatives.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Joe’s post is asinine on so many levels. Alas, given the turn the comments have taken (again), why bother.

  • deconstructiva

    I was wondering if QH’s bird-in-the-hand remark was going to get pulled (literally, no pun intended). It did. Good job, Joe (or High Sheriffs). That was a rather rank remark. There’s already enough valid critiques of reporters’ works here without being that dirty. Of course, with the exception of the erased comment here, most of the dirty stuff by the rw’ers is flung at the swampwomen, NOT the swampguys. Coincidence? No?

  • maverick2k9

    Even conservative blogs have fun picking on New Rusty Blog. Red State have published his hate mail :)
    .
    http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2010/03/01/more-from-the-mailbag-open-thread/
    .

    Although it is by no means a certain thing, hopefully you are possessed of the brainpower to deduce whether that apology is coming your way any time soon, based on the fact that we have posted your most hilarious email on the front page for all to see and mock.

    ROFL..

  • deconstructiva

    Thanks Maverick, FTW! How did you find this? Your post should be the Politics home page new featured reader’s comment and you should get a cookie (or a fifth of bourbon). Wow, when even Rusty’s conservative brothers and sisters reject him….

  • 53_3

    Not to mention, npres, is that not only do you get free membership in FOX Fantasy World, you also get, at no charge, literally dozens of hideous monsters hiding under your very own bed!
    .
    Think of it!
    .
    Socialists!
    Fascists!
    Commies!
    The French!
    .
    And, on top of that, you’ll get expert training on how to indulge in recreational fear!
    .
    Now, what is better than that?
    .
    What’s better?
    .
    Well, for this week only we’ll teach you how to spread that fear to your neighbors and friends alike!
    .
    But wait! There’s more!
    .
    You too, can learn, in your own home, in three easy lessons how to insult someone, then make them feel guilty! Now what could be better than that, being able to denigrate and insult someone and never have to accept responsibility!
    .
    All this, and yes, there’s more! You too can learn how to say all those cool codewords, and even blow your very own dogwhistle!
    .
    Just think, with all this, you could start your own cult and an income to match, and you would never have to pay any consequences whatsoever.
    .
    How much you say?
    .
    Well, just contact your neighborhood teabagger and ask ‘em how!

  • 53_3

    Exiled:
    There are times in the year when the sun shines warmly, and the skies are clear. This is one of those days…

  • kevin

    Yes, “tax slavery” that gave 95% of Americans a tax cut.
    .
    My wife and I make a little over $200K together. Last year, we had to pay an additional $800 in taxes come April 15th. This year, thanks to all the middle-class tax deductions in the stimulus package, we got a refund of $3200.
    .
    If this is tax slavery, go ahead and put me in chains.

  • 53_3

    Yeah, 3xfire3 is a catch, isn’t he?
    .
    He’s as stupid as the rest of ‘em. So married to an idea he’d rather “stay the course” than indulge in any reasonable change that might just bring in 5 to 7 million more votes, if you know what I mean.
    .
    I remember a couple years ago, in Westport, WA, a comment about a certain demographic that had been seen around town, enjoying the benefits of American life as we all do. He said this:
    .
    “I don’t care. After all, their money’s green, too, isn’t it?”
    .
    And the same thing could be said about votes, but, like I’ve pointed out before:
    .
    “You can lead a horse to water, but you sure as hell can’t make him drink!”

  • kevin

    Seriously, can Swampland’s IT folks kindly do a comparison of the IP addresses here to see who are the people with multiple personality disorder and put a stop to the multiple postings?
    .
    It’s bad enough listening to one of these nutcases without him setting up a Greek chorus of insanity all on their own.

  • 53_3

    The opinions of a Republican governor are just exactly this:
    .
    An opinion!
    .
    Now, if you were able to do something besides present me the opinion of other GOPers, like historical documentation then we might get somewhere!
    .
    The point is, historical documentation is on my side!
    .
    Why don’t you just paste one of Rush Limbaughs’ rants and call that a fact too, idiot!
    .
    You looze…

  • 53_3

    I see that by your comment at 29.3, you are refusing to acknowledge what I know to be fact about Rusty. Your conduct calls into question your morals and the company you keep.
    .
    There is an old saying:
    .
    “You can’t judge a book by it’s cover”.
    .
    And of course, it’s antidote:
    .
    “You can judge someone by the company they keep”
    .
    This last is a very, very good litmus test when. It is my mantra when I deal with people I don’t know, such as yourself…

  • 53_3

    Whoa! I missed something!

  • 53_3

    I totally missed it decon!
    .
    I wish I coulda seen it! I saw my little zinger for QH got moved from 26 to 25!
    .
    Oh, my sun is shining today…

  • deconstructiva

    …yeah, QH’s anatomical analysis got yanked. Even better is what maverick found at #32….

  • 53_3

    I believe that in the ’70s, the tax on the very highest incomes was near 70%.
    .
    I’ll leave it for someone else to verify.

  • 53_3

    Obamastank is Question Hillary, a different, but equally unique item from that silly box of hexnuts they call the GOP.

  • deconstructiva

    …oops, sorry 53, comment in wrong place! That’s the one drawback of pulling stuff, it messes up the order. Than again I’m amazed rusty’s still here after Redstate banned him. He dumps so much crap on Jay and Kate, let alone us – let alone his past treatment of KT – but less so on Joe and MS. The swampwomen really must be nice, infintely patient people.

  • 53_3

    I never saw it! Damn, of all the sh!tty luck!

  • 53_3

    Such a wonderful development.
    .
    It vindicates my constant rant, which you’ve all seen any number of time, for which I am indeed sorry, but it is necessary to remind conservatives about just who is at fault for the problems with their image.

  • 53_3

    Oh, btw, 3xfire3, you two bit tin can illiterate numbskull, check out maverick2k9′s comments at 32.
    .
    Maybe you need to give your brain a rest for a while, and think about the collective, near unanimous arsewhupping you’ve just received!

  • diecash1

    Nice catch maverik2k9! Rustyblogwhore is such a complete and total idiot that the right-wingers don’t even want him! I find it hilarious that they posted his idiotic rant on the front page so all could mock him. In a word, awesome!

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Was just reading Digby, who had linked to Scherer’s Guy Fawkes’ post. One of her commenters alerted me to MS’ update–have you guys read it? Priceless.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    WT bloody F is up with the comments BTW? In all seriousness, are the “High Sheriffs” like chimpanzee astronauts?

  • deconstructiva

    Can the IT wizards set up the comments so a deleted remark’s location is left in place and replaced with “comment deleted” or “remark removed, none of that crap welcome here, now go …ahem… behave yourself already” or similar?

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Ah, I see, the 4 following comments were replies to QH? Good to see him back. I’d just been thinking that the Swamp-drift couldn’t get any worse….

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    One sign nobody ever saw before is not the same as the Tea baggers lying profusely, and creating hundreds of more signs to counteract one lone sign.
    .
    Fine, that one person was wrong.
    .
    Now 3X put your money where your mouth is and declare that the hundreds and thousands of signs and profuse lying of the Tea Party is despicable.
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    If not, sir, you are a hypocrite and a liar.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    It was a car accident where the maximum punishment is a about 90 days in jail.
    .
    When is Cheney going to jail for getting drunk and shooting his friend in the face?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “We, the Tea Party Nation…”
    .
    You are your own nation?
    .
    Good! Then get your foreign agents trying to change America into a backwards country of village idiots and go back to the holes you crawled out of in that foreign nation, rusty.
    .
    My nation is America!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Look at the video and the person being escorted away is a very light skinned white man with a long beard and an American flag bandanna.
    .
    Also, the cartoon above is strikingly racist.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I am glad to hear that cap-and-trade is dead…”
    .
    That is because when you want to know about science, you don’t go to people like climatologists, you do whatever Exxon Mobil says you should do.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “ACK!! Run chicken little RUN!! Back to the hen house. The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!”
    .
    ACK!! Run chickenhawks e RUN!! Back to the hen house. The Democrats are coming, the sky is falling!!
    .
    That is what your really meant, didn’t you?
    .
    Don’t forget that the exact same system of cutting our dependence of fossil fuels will, also, bring energy jobs back to the US and stop funding countries which want to blow us up.
    .
    I forgot, Republicans love sending money to Terrorists. Dick’s Haliburton has offices in Iran and Republicans were thrill to send as much money to Haliburton as possible.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    We should immediately cut out the hydrogen sulfide levels by cutting back on the flatulence from the Tea Party.
    .
    Those
    Enormous
    Asses
    .
    TEA releasing Hydrogen Sulfide levels nationwide with their speeches.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “…only your reflection in the mirror.
    .
    You like 53, patric, afguy and a few others are pure idealogues who see everything through distorted left wing glasses.”
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    3X,
    .
    I look at many sources of information and trust detailed studies over pure, random partisan conjecture.
    .
    You unequivocally said that you understand and accept the science of global warming, yet you applaud that nothing will be done about it.
    .
    Now, if you are not distorted in your thinking, I don’t know who is.

  • 3xfire3

    I thought some of you Idiot Liberals might want to read Newfreedoms post on RedState so you might actually have the facts for a change. Newfreedom’s post was an excellent analysis of spending by the Federal Government. That Redstate didn’t like his post has nothing to do with the quality of his post. Like the Liberals on this site they don’t like to hear anything that doesn’t fit their views. That’s their loss.
    .
    You idiots need to grow up. Newfreedom adds a lot to this Liberal site and your name calling, persoanal attacks and demonizing of him only show what a low life you guys and gals are. If you were real patriotic Americans you would want to hear from people who have different beliefs then you do.
    .
    Newfreedom you have my respect for the fact based post on RedState. Keep up the good work.
    .
    in to Reply
    Republican Controlled Congress in 2003
    newfreedomblog Sunday, February 28th at 9:01AM EST (link)
    .
    In 2003, the 108th Congress, Republicans effectively controlled. While they did not have the majority that we see now with the Democrats, they did control both the House and Senate until 2006.
    .
    So far as spending, one only needs to look at this breakdown.
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    In the twelve years that a Democrat has sat in the White House, spending has increased at an average rate of 1.29% per year; during the 22 years of Republican presidencies, government spending has risen at an average rate of 2.12%. In other words, spending has grown 64% faster when a Republican sits in the White House than when a Democrat does.
    .
    During the 20 years Democrats have controlled both houses of Congress, spending has grown at an average rate of 1.84% per year, more than double the average rate of 0.89% per year during the six years the GOP ran Congress. (During the other eight years, when control of Congress was split between the two parties, spending grew at an average rate of 2.52%. The split-control years all occurred during Republican presidencies.)
    .
    When Democrats controlled the White House plus both houses of Congress, spending grew at 1.70% per year, slightly below the average growth rate of 1.83% for the entire period.
    .
    The slowest spending growth occurred when a Democrat sat in the White House and Republicans controlled both houses of Congress. Spending rose by an average of just 0.89% during the six years of this situation, which all occurred with Bill Clinton as president and Newt Gingrich as Speaker of the House.
    .
    During the 14 years Republicans controlled the White House and Democrats controlled both houses of Congress, spending grew at an average annual rate of 1.92%. During the eight years with a Republican president and a split Congress, spending grew at 2.54% per year.
    .
    This is also a good graph or chart which shows the breakdown since 1975.
    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms
    .
    You can talk non-discretionary versus discretionary all you want, but Republicans as a whole have spent more in the past 30 years than Democrats. The question is whether it is due to a Democrat controlled Congress versus the President in office at the time. I believe the majority of the spending cannot occur unless the Congress first passes the spending measures, which are clearly Democratically controlled. But, we must also elect Presidents who will veto those budgets as well.
    .
    Contact@newfreedomblog.com

  • 3xfire3

    maverick,
    .
    You sure can twist the truth to satisfy your poor quality of a brain.

  • deconstructiva
  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Anyone been to JK’s “Pressuring Iran” thread below? It’s ripe for the picking.

  • maverick2k9

    3x says..

    That Redstate didn’t like his post has nothing to do with the quality of his post. Like the Liberals on this site they don’t like to hear anything that doesn’t fit their views. That’s their loss.

    hmmm.. lets see. Which site banned New Rusty blog? Was it swampland or was it RedState? This is a stark example of the difference between a Real Reporter’s blog versus a conservative hack’s blog..

    You idiots need to grow up. Newfreedom adds a lot to this Liberal site and your name calling, persoanal attacks and demonizing of him only show what a low life you guys and gals are.

    Wow, talking about being proven a hypocrite in a single paragraph!!

    If you were real patriotic Americans you would want to hear from people who have different beliefs then you do.

    Why, thank you for the compliment.. 3x!! We do like to hear Rusty’s point of view, as long as it is based on reality and he is able to substantiate his views with facts!!
    .
    PS: decon, Just googled, Now “Dont be Evil” :)

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Like a trout rising to an early spring skawla hatch, there is Rusty.

  • 3xfire3

    The article posted is the one RedState shows on their home page as the reason they canceled Newfreedoms membership.
    .
    My comments only show my frustration with all the Liberals on this site who always pile on to try and discredit NF.
    .
    Argue with facts and stop demonizing Newfreedom. That’s the way to gain respect as a serious person rather then an idealogue..

  • maverick2k9

    3x again says:

    maverick,
    .
    You sure can twist the truth to satisfy your poor quality of a brain.

    Care to explain as to how I twisted the truth?
    .
    Also, 3x,

    Lesson 1 on preaching:
    Practice what you preach.
    .
    So stop name calling total strangers on the interwebs. :)

  • 3xfire3

    53-3,
    .
    My post answering your question which you ask me serveral times is the one I referenced above.
    You wanted my answer so badly you really should read it.

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
    .
    You do a very good job of distorting my views.
    .
    I said I do believe in global warming. My position is that I question how much of it is caused by man or accuring as a natural part of the earths evolution and what that rate of change is.
    .
    When Al Gore admits he exaggerated the rate of change to get peoples attention and it is found that some scientist modified data to support they political views, and scientist who disagree with the proven flawed report are not allowed to be a part of the dicussion, I think we have a situation where we can not have confidence in Mr Gore’s beliefs.
    .
    I hope this clears up my position. Mr. Gore says the debate is over and refuses to be engaged is a discusion about Global Warming. He and others then go on to use name calling and demonizing those who have different views than they do.
    .
    If these people truly believed they are correct than their views should be able to stand up and be debated with other knowledgable scientists. But they refuse.
    .
    It’s hard to trust people who act in this manner.

  • sasquatch08

    As much as I hate to say it, I agree with Joe on this one but not for the reasons he mentions.
    .
    Personally, I have to problem with Democrats, but “Progressives” seem to be totally insane. While Joe may argue they’d being giving ammo (Oh no! Apparently I too advocate violence for using a word metaphorically!) to the Republicans, which is probably true that is not the real reason not to deal with this question this year.
    .
    The real reason is that this is a terribly complex question to answer, one that will take at least as long as HCR did to reach an answer and that’s IF Dems and Repub’s are willing to work together for an actual answer rather than a ideological/partisan “solution” that doesn’t fix a damn thing. With the upcoming elections; at best that time frame would be interrupted or at worst both sides would play politics on the issue (which is rather more likely) and we’d end up with a bill that’s a pile of crap that no one really understands.
    .
    This requires looking at and being willing to change not just immigration policy but also the country’s drug policy in a huge way.
    .
    The vast majority of illegal immigrants are not violent criminals, but nothing can be done about said violent criminals unless something is done to end the massive cash flow (incentive) they gain from our 1930′s style drug laws while allowing those who want to work (many of whom we need) to work in this country without being hassled to the point they want to leave.

  • sasquatch08

    Wow. IT problem to report here. Just look at 37.1, 37.1, 37.1…

  • jbaustian

    “I am glad to hear that cap-and-trade is dead…”
    .
    Patrick wrote: “That is because when you want to know about science, you don’t go to people like climatologists, you do whatever Exxon Mobil says you should do. (end quote)
    .
    I thought religious fanaticism was frowned on by the members of this site.
    .
    If you want to worship Gaia the Earth Goddess, fine by me. Most people think you’re nuts, but again that’s okay. Just don’t include any of my money in the trillions of dollars you want to spend in a futile effort to control the climate. To really do that, you’d have to either change the energy output of the Sun, or adjust the Earth’s distance from the Sun.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
    .
    So, you do, as I said originally, believe in what 15% of climatologists believe in rather than the 85% who believe it is real and that it is caused by human use of particular fuels.
    .
    Even within that, it is possible if it were caused by another source, it can be slowed down by not releasing greenhouse gasses.
    .
    Gore said all along that he was taking information from climatologists and cited that there were multiple scenarios including the most extreme. He did not ever say that he definitively knew exactly when what would happen.
    .
    I, also brought up modern economics and later specifically defined that as New Keynesian which 80% of Economists follow.
    .
    Do you believe in that or less accepted theories?
    .
    You do not believe in scientific facts as I said all along.
    .
    So, would you say that I was right the first time when I said that conservatives do not believe in man made global warming?

  • swissArmyBrainBETA

    bringing up cap and trade and immigration reform right now really makes me wonder how far down the priority list the economy and unemployment are for dems. sure for long term GDP immigration is great. (mostly immigration of the educated though and thats not being proposed) its certainly no good for unemployment or for wage levels. i would support an honest, fair carbon tax but nobody has the guts for that. cap and trade adds completely unnecessary layers of red tape and bureaucracy to doing business in the U.S. Every time i am getting close to giving my support to democrats they make sure to remind me why I can’t.

  • isleoracle

    RIP! RIP! RIP!
    In November 2010 we will RIP! RIP! RIP!
    The Progressives political life will end RIP! RIP! RIP!

    REPEAL!
    IMPEACH!
    PROSECUTE!

    It took the Progressives 100 years to get to this point.

    They finally got the POWER! POTUS! CONGRESS! SENATE!

    What did they do with it?
    anything near intellectual?
    … no reading allowed…
    do the robot thing and just vote.

    What a waste of our time and money.

    They had their chance and BLEW IT!

    RIP!
    RIP!
    RIP!

  • newfreedomblog

    I feel humbled, not only with the amount of time being spent commenting on my being banned from RedState, but the very kind words and defense by 3xfire.
    .
    But I do have one question for maverick, do you feel somehow empowered now that you thought this would somehow discredit me on a liberal site because I was banned from a purely ideological conservative site?
    .
    LOL the joke is on you. But I do thank you for bringing it to everyone’s attention. I could have never come to this site and complain that I was banned from a so-called conservative site like Red State. They are even more closed minded than the liberal progressives who frequent this site.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “…I was banned from a purely ideological conservative site..”
    .
    Now rusty, it is time to say thank you to Time and the fact that neither I nor anybody here that I know of has attempted to have you removed from this site.
    .
    Remember that this is open to everybody and liberals dominate here as we dominate the country.
    .
    Also remember who most believes in free speech: liberals.
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    So, thank us all for practicing our ideals.
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    If you want to know why I think the Tea Party and a significant portion of the right wing is becoming proto-fascist, it is because they are not open to debate.
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    I was going to give you credit for having the male parts enough to be amongst us rather than your own, but, since you were forced out for not being in total lockstep with the rest of the right wing, it seems as if you are here rather than nowhere.
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    I’d like say that you have been insightful and useful, but, I don’t lie.
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    Welcome to liberalism: be as right wing as irritating as you like with nothing worse than getting the same type of words tossed back into your own face.
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    You’ll see the light someday.

  • deconstructiva

    Rusty, I’m curious (seriously, no mocking here). When you say redstate is a so-called conservative site, why is this? Are they not conservative? What makes a site conservative? I admit I don’t spend much time there, so what did you see there? What was the problem between you and them?

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Swiss,
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    “…cap and trade adds completely unnecessary layers of red tape and bureaucracy to doing business in the U.S…”
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    This is where bipartisanship is a practical consideration.
    .
    Sure, presidents and members of congress hope that they will be remembered well by both sides of isle. But, that is not the real reason for bipartisanship.
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    The Democrats come in with more academics, more advocacy groups and fewer business people while the Republicans come in with the opposite and you have insights crossing the isle where the best ideas come forward.
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    If it wasn’t for the obstructionism of Republicans on HCR, then we would have had some reasonable conservative insights and a better bill.
    .
    Maybe there are ways to achieve the same goal more efficiently, however, global warming denial on the part of conservatives and/or Republicans is preventing this type of insight from crossing the isle.
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    I don’t know if there is more red tape here or abroad, but, my understanding is that we are very corporate friendly and, if there is a way to keep us so while, also, cleaning up the environment, that is the best of all possible worlds.
    .
    I hope, if you are a Republican, you promote and vote for a cooperative Republican in your local primary and discourage this type of obstructionism.

  • newfreedomblog

    Decon, as much as I harass the liberals, especially the third grade liberals on this site, I do equally as much or did on Red State and other conservative sites to mock, challenge and rebut their illogical thoughts. I call Red State a so-called conservative site because they merely mouth the words conservative, but their political agenda is to only elect people who have an (R) after their name. I think we need people with an (AF) after their name which stands for America First.
    .
    I will admit, I have learned much on this site from the comments from some of those who regularly comment, namely stuart, Exiled, sometimes square1, jcapan, IvyB, and even you on a few occassions. Especially on the art of sucking up to the “journalist”. :D
    .
    And Sartor, give it a rest already. You haven’t been on this particular site long enough to know what is or isn’t liberal or conservative.
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    Plus when I first came upon this site to comment, there were maybe 2 of us who professed to be conservative, and challenged the liberal progressive propaganda. Now look how many. So I wouldn’t go all ga-ga over it being an exclusively “liberal” site anymore.

  • sasquatch08

    “The Democrats come in with more academics, more advocacy groups and fewer business people while the Republicans come in with the opposite and you have insights crossing the isle where the best ideas come forward.
    .
    If it wasn’t for the obstructionism of Republicans on HCR, then we would have had some reasonable conservative insights and a better bill.”
    .
    Stuart, come now.

    Without Republican objections the Democrats would have just randomly added conservative ideas to the HCR bill for no reason? Hardly. They would have passed it as was with no discussion. You know better.
    .
    Democrats do have more academics, which is why liberals control education and the media. They have fewer business people, hence they know a lot less about running a company.
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    When I was in a college there was an economics professor. He had started 4 companies and all failed within a year. Why? Because he treated them like academics, not the real world. I am not trashing academics here, but when it comes to business, an academic is an armchair quarter back, or backseat driver (if you prefer) to a CEO or small business owner. They don’t understand the shifts of capital that occur daily, credit or anything else except in abstract terms. Real life, as I am sure you will attest isn’t abstract.
    .
    This idea of applying abstract thought has been tried many times before and worked. Think U.S.S.R., Cuba, China, Vietnam (just try living there, though they are moving to a free market these days), Italy, France… or the best example these days of where it leads to: Greece.
    .
    This stuff looks fantastic on paper, but has never worked in the real world. Certainly you know that, so why would it magically work now? Or are you telling me you’d like to move to Cuba or Venezuela or modern Russia or Greece, and if you would, why haven’t you already?
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    These places all share a commonality, American liberals LOVE them, but refuse to move to them.
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    Strange.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “Democrats do have more academics, which is why liberals control education and the media”
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    Chicken and the egg Squatch. The overwhelming majority of academics are liberal in outlook. Reality, the intellect, having built-in liberal biases. Therefore, they tend to vote democrat (i.e. the only pseudo-liberal party on the ballot).
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    Secondly, democrats do not control the freakin’ media! Corporations do. At best, as your random “Stuart” would say, centrists do, but liberals and/or democrats, no flipping way.

  • ohiolib

    Really, Hulagate. You couldn’t at least change your blog? There’s no point in changing your name if you just refer people to a site with your old name in it. Sheesh

  • maverick2k9

    But I do have one question for maverick, do you feel somehow empowered now that you thought this would somehow discredit me on a liberal site because I was banned from a purely ideological conservative site?

    Discredit?? As if you had any credibility on this site in the first place!!
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    Only people who should get credit is Time.com and the journalist bloggers on Swampland, for truly allowing free speech on the comments section, without any bias, towards liberal or conservative commentators.
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    So, Rusty blog, if you still haven’t noticed, this IS NOT a LIBERAL site. It is a truly FAIR & BALANCED political blog, where you don’t get banned for holding conservative views or views that are opposite to that of the bloggers.

  • apr2563

    53_3 What were you doing in Westport? I lived just south of there for 18 years. My husband was a commercial fisherman and we raised cranberries there too and had a motel. We were busy.
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    A wild west kind of place. Politically Liberal but not very racially tolerant. Grays Harbor county was the only county in Wa., practically the nation, that voted in the majority for George McGovern. I was Democratic precinct committee woman back than and found few Repulicans. When we moved there and bought the motel,some ladies from the tourist association visited me to give me advice on how to deny rooms to minorities. I let them know their advice was not welcome and asked them to leave. So a strange dichotemy.
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    The 2 main professions there are ocean fishing and logging. Two of the most dangerous occupations. They live and play hard. When I lived there they kept themselves pretty isolated. There were kids who had never gone to the “big city”, Seattle. I would regularly take a bunch to Seattle or Tacoma and they would be astonded by the escalators.
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    There is an American Indian reservation near by and there are many people in the general population that have Indian heritage. But, still the distrust of other minorities. It just goes generation to generation. Of course, this is something I have witnessed in other small towns that have few or no minorities.

  • anon76

    @Exiled- if only you knew. This particular creature used to have the moniker “Question Hillary”, right up until Hillary lost the primary in 2008. Did that cause the creature to stop posting? Absolutely not! True to your diagnosis of “oppose Democrats no matter the situation”, the creature simply changed its name and began opposing Obama with the same mindless intensity which it had formally reserved for Ms. Clinton. You do well to distance yourself from it.

  • 53_3

    apr:
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    I live in Renton, but my office is on the peninsula. I’ve done a lot of work on the Olympic peninsula for a number of years, particularly in Pacific County.
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    I’ve been to Westport (more precisely, Aberdeen) numerous times, as well as Forks and down the coast a bit to Willapa Bay.
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    You’re right, these small towns are all a bit divided, but other than a few cases I’ve heard of (one a couple years ago), it actually hasn’t been too bad at all. Two years ago, me and my wife were in Forks and were treated very nicely. The same in Aberdeen, and both me and my best friend in Westport. We’ve never been even looked at sideways. I guess it’s either one of two things:
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    1. The sight of two big bald guys is scary enough, even if one of ‘em isn’t Black, or,
    2. There are a lot of really nice people along the coast.
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    I think it is more (2), with maybe a touch of (1) thrown in for any “would be” hasslers.
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    It was interesting to say the least that most of the signs over there were Ron Paul signs. I take that as a good thing even though it is a bit “small townish” over there. It tells me they really don’t like outside authority but they also saw deep flaws in McCain / Palin at the time.
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    They are pretty good people, for the most part!

  • 3xfire3

    Exiled,
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    Obamastank comments are no worse then those made daily by 53-3, Patrick, Apr, Afguy and many other people commenting on this site.
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    At least his links showing many protesters with kill Bush signs and violent protests by pro illegal immigrant mobs stricks a balance to the lies all the liberals are making about the Tea Party movement.
    .

  • ericnwinter

    I am astonished that there are still “populate or perish” advocates out there, given that the entire world is massively overpopulated right now, with hundreds of thousands of additional people being added on a daily basis!

    If you don’t think the world is already overpopulated, and you’re not just a Birther, flat earther, Klingon, or other nut job, it’s because the Right is terrified of women gaining control of their bodies, and the Left is terrified that maybe population control equals racism.

    This leaves virtually no one out there to talk about the facts re overpopulation!

    So please – if you don’t understand that overpopulation – right now – is the world’s biggest problem – please educate yourself even though the Right and the Left are completely uninterested in the subject!

  • 53_3

    Oh, where to begin, 3xfire3:
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    1. I read it.
    2. It is an opinion and even then, it contains the same ignorant assumptions that most GOPers use when evaluating the problems of the Black community.
    3. I have said this many times and I will say it again:
    …….a. Stop talking past those who know, like me and others do happen to be Black Americans. It makes you seem like you know more than they about their problems, and yet, it is clear you know very little except what you have been told by your peers!.
    4. Your biggest single personal flaws are these:
    …….a. You take for granted your peers’ evaluation of the problems and motives of the Black community. Just look at your heros!
    …….b. You participate daily in the highly offensive practice of demonizing the Black community and you do so many times (such as that clarification I asked you for at 44 on the other thread).
    …….c You support the views of avowed racists like Rusty, without question!
    ……d You support and refuse to criticize the actions of your peers, knowing full well that Black Americans and others consider their hateful speech offensive. What gets me most is that you then seek salvation from those very same people as to whether or not you are indulging in hateful rhetoric or characterizations or not! And of course, they aren’t going to admit it, are they?
    .
    Look, 3xfire3, there are only two reasons for you to behave this way, and they are these:
    1. You are not a racist, but have no problem with throwing out TP’s and Southern Strategy codespeak, mixed in with self-imposed ignorance*.
    2. You are a racist, and you hide behind the same codespeak, rhetoric, and ignorance statements to keep your dialogue “mainstream. This is what Rusty does.
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    I’m guessing you are not a racist.
    However, because you participate in, and support strongly, the practice of demonetization, and the spread of disinformation concerning the Black community, there is no effective difference!
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    Now, summing this all up, how the hell do you expect me to react? How? By giving you a free pass on your irresponsible (though first amendment protected!) speech? Do you honestly expect that someone with my experience in the Black community, let alone others who are Black Americans to give you a free pass?
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    I’m not backing off. Either stop the practice, or be prepared for more of the same in the future.

  • 53_3

    *Whether you like it or not 3xfire3, even in your 71 years of life, you have shown me that you condone propaganda.
    .
    Whether or not you really think all truth lies in FOX, it is funded by exclusively GOP interests. And further broadcasts exclusively GOP opinions, including Southern Strategy TPs and codespeak.
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    This, is the source of you “self-imposed ignorance”, as well as your isolation away from Black Americans in general.

  • nflfoghorn

    Put down the crack pipe and go to bed.

  • 53_3

    Too involved in my own battles, Exiled. I did read it though.

  • nflfoghorn

    I see our “friend” Hula has popped up again over the weekend. If ignorance is bliss, he must be in heaven right now.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    sasquatch08,
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    I am not Stuart.
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    He seems like a nice enough guy, but, I only know him as well as I know you…
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    Yes, ” Reality, the intellect, having built-in liberal biases. Therefore, they tend to vote democrat (i.e. the only pseudo-liberal party on the ballot).”
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    it would have been more accurate if you said that academics, journalists and intellectuals control the Democratic party. I think that is fair and not even offensive to anybody.
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    “Without Republican objections the Democrats would have just randomly added conservative ideas to the HCR bill for no reason?”
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    You missed it.
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    If Republicans had joined the debate and said “do put in this” and “take out that” it would have been far more useful than “no”.
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    It is agreed upon that we have a problem with health care.
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    One untried means of repairing it is government. This has succeeded everywhere else in the industrial world.
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    So, Republicans could have participated in how this was going to happen and this bill would have, if anything, been more conservative, but, also, been better.
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    “Think U.S.S.R., Cuba, China, Vietnam …”
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    Communism is to Democrats what Hitler was to Republicans. If the government is taking control of your local pizza shop, your car dealership… everything and somebody is beating the f out of you right now for being away from the government views, then you are dealing with communists.
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    If your taxes might go up and the paperwork for some things might get more complicated but you are free to do whatever you want short of threatening people (as you, absolutely have not) then you are dealing with Democrats.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “When I was in a college there was an economics professor. He had started 4 companies and all failed within a year.”
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    How about two PhD students who started Google?
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    I would say something as simple as this: academic skills are not equal to management skills.
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    Some business geniuses are academically weak and some academic geniuses are weak managers.
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    That is not to say that making use of what you had learned will not be helpful as Google, for example (both of those guys are two years younger than I am and I haven’t made my first million, forget my first billion yet).
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    BTW: It was never, ever a majority of Western academics who had any sympathy for communism. It was always an outside theory and, most of the time, a despised theory in academia.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I think there is something to be said here about how different ideologies react to disagreement:
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    1) Question the master race or superiority of your nation’s people in a fascist regime and you will be fined, arrested, imprisoned or killed (depending if you are talking about Hitler, Mussolini, Franco or Salazar).
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    2) Question the class struggle or have “imperialist” ideas and you will face the same punishment by communists.
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    3) Disagree with conservatives and they will tell you that you can say whatever you want, but, you must go someplace else to say it. (Not a violation of the first amendment, but, limiting debate).
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    4) Argue with liberals and we argue back. (Insult us and we will insult you back). To be fair, libertarians, as far as I know, also, are very open to debate and do not discourage it.
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    This is why conservatives live in an echo chamber even though they are not totalitarians.
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    To be frank, in NYC, outside of off duty cops and some Wall Street people and a few others, it is hard to find a conservative. (Unless you go to Staten Island, but, Staten Island is like suburbia – unless you are visiting somebody you know there, you have no reason to be there).

  • kevin

    Seriously. When Rusty created his awesome new liberal-fighting superhero persona, he only eventually let his secret identity slip through his own stupidity. You did it right away.

  • 53_3

    Patrick, et al:
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    I’m sorry to say this, but Rusty will never change. He’s a cootie on the Sleeping White Giant’s right nut.
    .
    As for 3xfire3, he’ll roast in hell before he will ever admit he’s wrong. He wants to teabag Rusty with a vengeance, see how he sells Rusty’s blogsite!
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    These two spirochetes are so stupid, they would rather die of thirst than drink from the well of knowledge!

  • jbaustian

    Patrick wrote: “4) Argue with liberals and we argue back. (Insult us and we will insult you back). To be fair, libertarians, as far as I know, also, are very open to debate and do not discourage it. (end quote)
    .
    If we tell the truth, you take that as an insult and respond with insults, not debate. That’s probably why this place is 90% liberals — folks get tired of tired of being labeled racists, fascists, Nazis, homophobes, flat-earthers, etc., all the time. And you are (nearly) as bad as the worst of them.
    .
    As for libertarians, they are at one end of the political spectrum with both socialists and fascists at the other end. In between is a continuum of possible degrees of government control over individuals, households, and firms. The country’s in a libertarian mode, the people think government is already too big, it’s growing too fast, and this November we’ll see whether that mood provides a mandate for rollback.
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    Incidentally, New Jersey is just as liberal as New York, by all accounts. Yet voters in NJ have had enough — the ones still there, because so many had already voted with their feet.

  • 3xfire3

    53-3,
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    “You participate daily in the highly offensive practice of demonizing the black community”.
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    As usual you are wrong. I do not demonize the black community. I want nothing but the best for our black citizens.
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    I don’t know how you came up with the lies that I demonized the black community..
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    It is the Liberal Democrats that I have a problem with. They have created the environment which has returned our black citizens living in the inner cities to a form of slavery. L/D did this thinking they were helping poor blacks but have made their situations worse.
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    I love my Black fellow citizens and would never demonize them. Your liberal glasses will not allow you to see the truth. You claim the GOP is racist. You are wrong. There are a small number of extremist on both the right and the left that are racist but neither party supports racism.
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    Again your liberal glasses do not allow you to see the truth and you twist the truth to try and show racism that is not there. You will now parade out a few examples to try and prove me wrong but a few examples do not show reality.
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    People like you that are not willing to work together with people who have honest different political views, prevent the solving of problems in our country.
    Your mind is distorted and closed.
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    You think anyone who has an honest different way to solve problems must be evil and you then use personal attacks, name calling, then demonize them and parade out a few irrelevant examples to try and prove your distorted case..
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    Unfortunately people like you are not part of the solution but are roadblocks to the solving of real problems in our country today.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “If we tell the truth, you take that as an insult and respond with insults, not debate. That’s probably why this place is 90% liberals — folks get tired of tired of being labeled racists, fascists, Nazis, homophobes, flat-earthers, etc., all the time. And you are (nearly) as bad as the worst of them.”
    .
    Look, here is political science 101:
    Americans have center left and center right politicians. Far less than 1% are communists or fascists.
    .
    Communists are extreme left wingers and and fascists are extreme right wingers.
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    Libertarians are radical centrists taking on the most conservative economic views and the most liberal views of free speech, etc.
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    If you stop calling me a communist I will stop calling you a Nazi.
    .

    “Incidentally, New Jersey is just as liberal as New York, by all accounts. Yet voters in NJ have had enough — the ones still there, because so many had already voted with their feet”
    .
    New Jersey is nowhere near as liberal as New York City. It has always been trading back and forth between Democrats and Republicans famous for splitting tickets as in voting for a Republican congressman with a Democratic presidents, vice versa…
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    It is a middle-of-the-road state.
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    I have a very conservative relative who lives in New Jersey even though she is from Queens. One of several reasons she does not live in NYC is that she finds it far, far too liberal for her and likes New Jersey politics far, far better..
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    If you meant New York State, you would be accurate since the suburbs are traditionally more Republican than Democratic and upstate New York is very conservative.

  • deconstructiva

    Another QH pearl of wisodm bites the dust. Good call.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    J.,
    You use it too. Here is wikipedia:
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    “The spectrum of right-wing politics ranges from centre-right to far right. By the late 19th century, the French political spectrum classified the center-right as Constitutional Monarchists, Orleanists, and Bonapartists, and the far right as Ultra-Royalists and Legitimists. The centre-right Gaullists in post-World War II France advocated considerable social spending on education and infrastructure development, as well as extensive economic regulation but a limited amount of the wealth redistribution measures more characteristic of social democracy.

    A definition of the term “centre-right” is necessarily broad and approximate because political terms have varying meanings in different countries. Parties of the centre-right generally support liberal democracy, capitalism, the market economy (albeit with some limited government regulation), private property rights, the existence of the welfare state in some limited form, and opposition to socialism and communism. Such definitions generally include political parties that base their ideology and policies upon conservatism and economic liberalism.

    The terms far right and radical right have been used by different people in conflicting ways.[17] The term far right is most often used to describe nationalist, religious extremist and reactionary groups as well as fascism and Nazism.”
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics#Varieties
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    If you say that everybody to the left of John McCain has to defend communism (which I am very much against and, had I been older, would have been thrilled to be in the CIA during the Cold War to oppose communism) then it is like saying that everybody to the right of Obama is a Nazi.
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    Stop calling us communists and people will stop calling you a Nazi!
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    This is how free speech not limited by the views of the blog goes: expect to be challenged and have your insults returned to you.

  • 3xfire3

    Tea Part Demonizers

    I’m still waiting for some honest liberal, Tea Party Demonizers to condemn the Kill Bush signs at the large number of left wing protest shown in the link in post 1.2.
    .
    Were is your fairness now?

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
    If you had a brain you would be dangerous. There were signs at approx 20 different protest. Take the time to look at the links before you open your mouth. You need to engage brain before inserting foot

  • 3xfire3

    53-3,
    .
    Post 24.11 answers you rants in posts 24.9 and 24.10.
    Enjoy

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I already did condemn the one sign that was seen by, basically nobody.
    .
    Now it’s your turn to say that many people in the Tea Party are advocating violence and that you oppose this, 3X.
    .
    Apparently you are, literally going blind from you ideology.
    .
    When your eyes and your ideology disagree, 3X, you ignore your eyes and follow your ideology.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I saw one clear sign and that was it.
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    Seeing all of these pictures and videos which, supposedly display left wing violence shows me one of two things:
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    1) Being right wing means that you get an F in photography.
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    2) Being right wing assures you that you will only see what you want to see in photographs or videos.

  • 3xfire3

    northpole,
    .
    Read post 14.2. It was addressed to you personally.

  • 3xfire3

    northpole,
    .
    You have a post 14.2 that is addressed to you personally.
    Please read. I do not hate. I do disagree and sometimes respond to name calling with some of the same out of frustration with closed minded people.

  • http://gregthecollegestudent.wordpress.com gregyoung3

    I responded to this post on my blog right here: http://gregthecollegestudent.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/does-the-public-really-want-less-government/.

    A quick summary of the post is that this news of Graham backing down on climate change is bad news because this Congress is one of Democrats only opportunities to get huge legislative reform packages passed. Even if the Dems drop climate change, their polling numbers aren’t going anywhere and they are still going to get pasted in November, so they might as well go down fighting.

  • apr2563

    53_3: The people at “the beach” are mostly good people. I have really great memories from my years there. People reach out and help each other. Everyone is dependent on nature for their living and it makes them appreciate what they have.
    .
    Plus, they are crazy fun. When someone comes back from a really profitable fishing trip off the coast or from Alaska, all heck breaks loose. Since the winters are pretty severe, everyone hangs together. Lots of hanky panky. But, what the heck. It is like no where else I have lived.
    .
    It been quite awhile since I been there. I can see them as libertarians. They are very independent sorts. I have a friend that lives in Forks and they are most amused by the tourists seeking out the Twilight landmarks that don’t exist.
    .
    Hopefully things have changed on the coast. We lived there in the 60s and 70s. Some people thought the Black Panthers were on the way to take the town over.
    .
    Well, 53 that was fun. Thanks for bringing back the memories. I grew up in Bothell but my heart belongs to the coast.

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
    .
    I have not seen one kill Obama signs at any Tea Party Protest.
    .
    I went back to the link and counted the Kill Bush signs and shirts worn by or displayed by left wing protesters.
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    My count came out to be 34. In addition there were several video clips saying things about killing Bush.
    .
    I’m really surprised that your OK with that.
    .
    I would not be OK with that if it were about Obama. I would be condemning any signs or individuals that called for Obama’s death.
    .
    I guess that where Conservatives and Liberals differ. Conservatives would not support people or signs calling for the death of Obama.
    .
    Liberals have no problem with signs like this if it’s against someone they disagree with politically.
    Does the word Hypocrite come to mind.

  • jbaustian

    Patrick:
    (quote)Look, here is political science 101:
    Americans have center left and center right politicians. Far less than 1% are communists or fascists.
    .
    Communists are extreme left wingers and and fascists are extreme right wingers.
    .
    Libertarians are radical centrists taking on the most conservative economic views and the most liberal views of free speech, etc.
    .
    If you stop calling me a communist I will stop calling you a Nazi. (end of quote)
    .
    That’s the standard left-wing version of poli-sci. The who notion of left and right, dating from the “etats-general” of 1789, fails to capture anything approaching reality.
    .
    Yes, I know “left” and “right” are standard parlance. But you yourself object to being lumped in with communists — even though the CPUSA endorsed Obama in 2008 and there does not seem to be any daylight between what they want and what you want.
    .
    As I noted before, there is a continuum of political and economic systems between minimal government and maximum government. All totalitarian regimes are at one end of this continuum, all minimalist systems at the other. Where the burden of government is light, the people are self-reliant, free to choose their paths in life, and free to succeed or fail according to their own efforts. All totalitarian regimes _claim_ that their goal is to take care of everyone, from cradle to grave, in return for blind obedience to the commisariat or fuhrer or king or el presidente. Those at the top always have the power, the duty of those at the bottom is to obey or suffer the consequences. And none of these despotic systems ever give power back to the people voluntarily.
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    I am not saying that Obama and the Democrats are as bad as Hitler or Mao or Stalin or Mussolini — only that Obama’s goal is to accumulate as much power as possible for his party and for himself personally… thus to move the American system further along the spectrum toward a more-totalitarian system.
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    Our Founders wrote a Constitution that they hoped would prevent America from turning into what it is now turning into. It is unfortunate that our president, supposedly a constitutional scholar, does not realize how precious that document really is. And doubly unfortunate that, in the laws he seeks to pass and the judges he seeks to appoint, Obama is working relentlessly to undermine that Constitution.
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    If we only used the conventional Left-Right spectrum, then there is no one point on that spectrum where citizens who believe in the Constitution can feel comfortably at home. That is another reason why I object to that convention.
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  • timeforthorns

    Real immigration reform would be terminating the visa lottery system, ending the “family reunification” program, and drastically reducing the 100,000 working-age legal immigrants allowed in every month while the unemployment rate for American citizens is 10%.

    No, what Brother Joel wants is amnesty, pure and simple, because that is the only tactic progressives have ever had in dealing with illegal immigration. And by the way, much of America is color-blind — it is the Democrats who are endlessly race-focused and class-focused, as their only power lies in divisions, not unity.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “..only that Obama’s goal is to accumulate as much power as possible for his party and for himself personally… thus to move the American system further along the spectrum toward a more-totalitarian system.”
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    So, this would be true if and only if Obama intends or has some means to stay in power past 2016.
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    Obviously Obama, like, basically all elected officials, is doing what he feels is best for the people.
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    “Our Founders wrote a Constitution that they hoped would prevent America from turning into what it is now turning into.”
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    No, they did not fear the IRS or anything like it. They feared a monarchy, which is right wing institution. They created the Post Office, a government owned monopoly. Since medicine at that time was a barber or a doctor cutting you to let out “bad blood” with an unclean blade (since nobody knew about bacteria) and had such a low chance success, having national health care in 1776 would have been like having a nationalized fortune teller.
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    If our founding fathers believed in a national post office, then they, clearly, believed in providing federal services when they knew it would benefit the people more than just letting the private sector help itself.
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    “It is unfortunate that our president, supposedly a constitutional scholar, does not realize how precious that document really is. And doubly unfortunate that, in the laws he seeks to pass and the judges he seeks to appoint, Obama is working relentlessly to undermine that Constitution.”
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    Obama, far more than previous presidents knows how even our very conservative supreme court interprets the constitution and in no way exceeded that at all. Nothing will make it to the supreme court against Obama since, unlike you, he knows the constitution in detail and does not support law violating it.
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    “If we only used the conventional Left-Right spectrum, then there is no one point on that spectrum where citizens who believe in the Constitution can feel comfortably at home.”
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    With your political views, you will never be satisfied with any democracy since people frequently, very happily vote themselves more government when the private sector fails to provide.
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    Once again, people will never, ever vote communism.
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    CPUSA is only a few thousand people and a punchline to a joke more than anything else.
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    Obama, like you and the rest of us in America, has no interest in any country becoming communist.

  • fhmadvocat

    obamastank & newfreedomblog,

    Can you hear it . . . . . . . wait . . . . . . . . . listen . . . . . . . . wait. Do you know what that’s the sound of?

    That is the sound of the Dow Jones, slowly creeping up to levels not seen in months, over 11,000 compared to where Bush left it when he left office.

    That’s the sound of “Socialism”, which Wall Street seems to love . . . . . . . . .

    If the Dow Jones rise and the current recovery from the near depression from the Bush era is “Socialism” GIVE ME MORE OF IT!!

  • jbaustian

    “Our Founders wrote a Constitution that they hoped would prevent America from turning into what it is now turning into.”
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    No, they did not fear the IRS or anything like it. They feared a monarchy, which is right wing institution. (end of quote)
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    Actually, using the Left-Right convention that originated in the French Legislative Assembly of 1791, the monarchists were not even in the Assembly — most of them had already left the country. The Left was the Jacobins, the Right was the moderates, including the Marquis de Lafayette.
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    (quote)If our founding fathers believed in a national post office, then they, clearly, believed in providing federal services when they knew it would benefit the people more than just letting the private sector help itself. (end of quote)
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    I was going to say that’s a stretch, but seriously, that is so ludicrous and so absurd that I cannot believe you would actually say such a thing. It only makes you look like a fool.
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    (quote)Obama, far more than previous presidents knows how even our very conservative supreme court interprets the constitution and in no way exceeded that at all. Nothing will make it to the supreme court against Obama since, unlike you, he knows the constitution in detail and does not support law violating it. (end of quote)
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    Again, another foolish statement that only undermines any credibility you might have built up elsewhere.
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    Firstly, much of the way that the health-care-reform act is funded can be questioned on constitutional grounds. Beyond that, of course, is the scope of its reach; the Commerce Clause cannot be stretched far enough to required individual citizens to purchase insurance.
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    Secondly, his environmental programs also go far beyond what is permitted by the Constitution. Either he is doing this out of ignorance or he is merely disregarding the Constitution.
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    Lastly, his long-term goal is to replace elderly liberal justices with younger liberal justices, and hope that he gets a chance to replace one of the conservative justices. He will also pack the lower courts with judges who believe in a flexible and “evolving” Constitution.
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    (quote)Once again, people will never, ever vote communism.
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    CPUSA is only a few thousand people and a punchline to a joke more than anything else.
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    Obama, like you and the rest of us in America, has no interest in any country becoming communist. (end of quote)
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    I never said the people will vote for “communism”. But if you call it something else, like “progressivism” or “social justice”, then maybe a dishonest politician or party can put together a majority for something that is barely distinguishable from communism or fascism.

  • 53_3

    Wouldn’t you know it?
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    I grew up in Bothell too! I went to the elementary school just five blocks north of the Munger Addition (I think it is on Buttles Road), just past the dairy (don’t know if any of this is there now!) on the left as you get to the top of the hill.
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    Remember Pins and Fins?

  • 53_3

    Well, 3xfire3, then heed this warning:
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    If you persist, I will back you into a corner. So far, you have lost this argument every which way from Sunday (yesterday) and since you are tightly wedded to that racist Rusty, it will make it all the more fun when I put you and a bind.
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    And just to be clear, if you know so much, then why don’t you ask someone in the Black community?
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    I think, even though you have your game face on, you already know what would happen, and therein lies a clue as to what you are actually doing.

  • apr2563

    53_3: Wow small internet huh? I am sure I went to school in Bothell long before you. I graduated from high school there in 1958. The grade school I attended was up on the hill above of the then junior high. It is long gone. Our hang out was the Avon theater, long gone, and cruising around Lake City and the A&W. Bothell was pretty quiet. I lived in what was called the Moorlands back then, close to Kenmore,the golf course and Arrowhead road. It was so long ago there was only 1 grade school, junior high and senior high. They did build Rickets grade school and close down the old one when I was a senior. My class had the distinction of burning down the skating rink across the lake from our senior party. They used to have free diesel train rides to the Puyallup fair. They would close school for the day. Of course, my class ruined that by being too rowdy. The trips were shut down. After all, we embraced rock and roll and James Dean. The last of the “silent generation”.
    My brother was an engineer at Boeings for years and lived in Renton. Spent a lot of time there.
    Well, here’s to one Cougar from another.

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
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    Sorry I did not know you were blind. My apology.
    Perhaps someone else will look at the link with you so that you understand the difference between 1 and 34.
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    If by chance you are not blind than you have proven again that you are a liar.

  • 3xfire3

    Apr,
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    Your the only liberal that has made any attempt to say they did not support or condon the Kill Bush signs.
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    I think that says a lot about some of the liberals posting on this site.

  • apr2563

    I don’t mean cougar in the modern sense.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “If you want to worship Gaia the Earth Goddess, fine by me.”
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    So, when 85% of doctors say do not smoke, what god is that from?
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    Since 85% of climatologists are in agreement that climate change is real and man made, that just means that I am not a pawn of big business and acknowledge facts.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I was going to say that’s a stretch, but seriously, that is so ludicrous and so absurd that I cannot believe you would actually say such a thing. It only makes you look like a fool.”
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    I can, also, go to when the Federal government kept on subsidizing railroads as well.
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    Why is it foolish to compare package delivery to health care since package delivery is a very minor matter by comparison.
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    I would say that as for your argument that our founding fathers hated any form of government ownership of anything other than law enforcement and military service just sinks your theory and makes you the fool, J.
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    “Firstly, much of the way that the health-care-reform act is funded can be questioned on constitutional grounds. ”
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    It is funded the same way that subsidies for family homes, subsidies for raising children are funded: tax credits. It is far from exotic and we will not see SCOTUS come near it since it is so incredibly ordinary.
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    “Beyond that, of course, is the scope of its reach; the Commerce Clause cannot be stretched far enough to required individual citizens to purchase insurance.”
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    Individuals with children are mandated by law to purchase additional housing, additional food and additional clothing from the private sector as workman’s compensation has been mandated as early as 1855.
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    “Secondly, his environmental programs also go far beyond what is permitted by the Constitution. Either he is doing this out of ignorance or he is merely disregarding the Constitution.”
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    This is a continuation of what the EPA does to include run off from mines into bodies of water which will contaminate wells. This was done in the recent past, ignored by GWB and no being enforced again since, unlike GWB, the Obama administration takes orders from citizens, not corporations as GWB did.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    My vision met the standards for the Army in 2004 and the NYPD in 2006 and have shown no signs of deterioration.
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    You, 3X are, as you say 71 and, therefore, prone to vision problems, Alzheimer and, apparently, a variety of mental illnesses.

  • jbaustian

    patrick: “I would say that as for your argument that our founding fathers hated any form of government ownership of anything other than law enforcement and military service just sinks your theory and makes you the fool, (end quote)
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    They gave each branch of government certain limited powers; and in the Tenth Amendment they said that any other powers not listed should belong to the states or to the people.
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    Question, Patrick: when was the Tenth Amendment repealed? Answer: not yet, it is still in effect.

    (quote)”Firstly, much of the way that the health-care-reform act is funded can be questioned on constitutional grounds. ”
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    It is funded the same way that subsidies for family homes, subsidies for raising children are funded: tax credits. It is far from exotic and we will not see SCOTUS come near it since it is so incredibly ordinary. (end of quote)
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    Hold on, let me contact Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson at the Bipartisan Fiscal Commission, to let them know how to eliminate the national debt. They can do it with TAX CREDITS! hehehe
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    (quote)”Beyond that, of course, is the scope of its reach; the Commerce Clause cannot be stretched far enough to required individual citizens to purchase insurance.”
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    Individuals with children are mandated by law to purchase additional housing, additional food and additional clothing from the private sector as workman’s compensation has been mandated as early as 1855. (end of quote)
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    I am still confused. What other federal mandate applies to individuals, beyond the aforementioned requirement that young men sign up for the draft? What precedent is there for the government to require individuals to purchase any good or service?

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
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    You are truly Amazing.
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    When caught in a lie you simply change the subject and start calling names.
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    You really need to grow up.
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    In most cultures younger people looked up to and showed great respect for their wise old elders. They know that their knowledge is great because of their long life of experiences.
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    You choose to call me names and try to denigrate me because of my age. If you can not admit when you make a mistake you have some major character flaws.
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    To keep saying there was only one Hate Bush sign on the link shows that you can not tell the truth and are not deserving of any respect.

  • 3xfire3

    53-3,
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    You’ve never won an argrument yet except in your dreams. Your batting average is around 50 on a scale of 1,000.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “I am still confused. What other federal mandate applies to individuals, beyond the aforementioned requirement that young men sign up for the draft? What precedent is there for the government to require individuals to purchase any good or service?”
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    None.
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    That’s why there are no laws requiring that you father children, buy a house or buy health insurance.
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    What we have are tax credits for buying insurance.
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    To pay for the tax credit, being fiscally sound, is a tax increase.
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    There is no jackbooted thug standing here with a blond telling me to get her pregnant (I prefer brunettes). There is a tax credit if I do get a woman pregnant and maintain custody of that child in or outside of marriage. (I, personally, have a very strong bias towards marriage rather than single fatherhood.)
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    There is not jackbooted thug demanding that I buy a house.
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    Just the same, there have been and will be no jackbooted thug demanding I buy health insurance.
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    All three are called “Tax incentives”.
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    Unless the tax incentive to buy a home and to father (or give birth to for ladies, of course) children is an oppression, then this isn’t an oppression, either.
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    That is why even the most conservative members of SCOTUS will not even consider ruling on this since it is obviously a commonly practiced way for government to operate.
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    “I am still confused…”
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    That is a condition most conservatives are in. When they are not, they become more progressive/liberal.
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    Open, free debate will show you the way.
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    That’s why totalitarians hate free speech and conservatives are sometimes very uncomfortable with free speech, like when they threw rusty off their blog.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    3X,
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    Your senile and as blind as a bat since the other sign says “[no] blood for oil [can't see what group] for Peace”
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    No, saying that you do not want your countrymen’s blood spilled for oil nor that of other people does not give the slightest implication that the president should be harmed.
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    http://www.binscorner.com/pages/d/death-threats-against-bush-at-protests-i.html
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    Look again!
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    Then, please go back to your cave.

  • jbaustian

    (quote)What we have are tax credits for buying insurance.
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    To pay for the tax credit, being fiscally sound, is a tax increase.(end of quote)
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    Not just a tax “increase” but a specific kind of tax, a capitation tax, specifically named in the Constitution as a tax that Congress could not impose.
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    Your blathering about tax credits is a red herring, it is irrelevant, it is off-topic, we are not talking about tax credits. We are talking about the US government telling American citizens that they must purchase health insurance or else pay a capitation tax. The US government has never before forced anyone to buy anything.
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    (quote)Just the same, there have been and will be no jackbooted thug demanding I buy health insurance. (end of quote)
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    That is good to hear, and I would be reassured if it was true. Unfortunately I doubt that it’s as easy as that if I fail to comply with their mandate. I doubt that the IRS, put in charge of monitoring compliance, will just say “Never mind”.
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    (quote)”I am still confused…”
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    That is a condition most conservatives are in. When they are not, they become more progressive/liberal.
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    Open, free debate will show you the way.
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    That’s why totalitarians hate free speech and conservatives are sometimes very uncomfortable with free speech, like when they threw rusty off their blog.
    (end of quote)
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    No, I’m confused because I just don’t know how to handle someone so dense. There are stupid people and then there are the intentionally stupid people, and I’m confused because I can usually tell the difference. I’m 90% sure but I feel like I ought to give you one more chance.

  • maverick2k9

    jb, are you trying to say that the mandate/ implemented under MittensCare by Romney in Massachusetts is unconstitutional?
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform#Individual_taxes

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
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    Have you tried to scroll down the page. There are many other pictures.
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    I clicked on the link in your post and it show many pictures.

  • jbaustian

    (quote)jb, are you trying to say that the mandate/ implemented under MittensCare by Romney in Massachusetts is unconstitutional? (end of quote)
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    I don’t think so. The constitutional prohibition on capitation taxes is in Article I, which describes the powers of Congress. This prohibition does not apply to the states. The only thing prohibited is that the right to vote shall not be determined by the payment of a poll tax.
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    As for whether the Commonwealth of Massachusetts can order citizens to buy health insurance, it probably can but I do not know a thing about the laws there. Again, the Tenth Amendment says those powers which are not given to the Congress are reserved for the states and the people.
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    For instance, a state like Arizona can require that citizens carry an ID card. Some municipalities actually require that each householder should own a firearm.
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    I don’t want to carry this too far, and I do not want to suggest that states or municipalities can mandate almost anything — only that they have powers which the federal government does not have. (or was not supposed to have, according to the original intent of the Founders)

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Twenty two in eight years.
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    Several were different shots of the same thing.
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    Most pointed out the fact that Bush broke law after law after law and asked for his legal conviction since he entered us into a war of aggression against the Geneva accords by lying about WMD.
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    Obama has been in office for just over fifteen months.
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    Obama faces 30 death threats every single day:
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html
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    So, I do not stand behind what was said about Bush being killed, but, violating law and after law including the Patriot Act now overturned in part by the very conservative Supreme Court, I do stand behind that he had committed high crimes and misdemeanors and should have been impeached.
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    Now, please apologize once every day for the thirty death threats Obama faces as I apologize for the twenty two signs made in eight years.

  • 3xfire3

    Patrick,
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    When earljr said you were hopeless, he was right.
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    While you finally admit that there was more then one “Kill Bush” sign, you try to justify them by making false claims against him. If the things you said about him were true, he would be in jail now.
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    They were and are politically made unproven statements.
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    Your apology was obviously not sincere. Now you ask me to apologize for something I never said. Like most of your comments this one makes no sense.
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    I noticed when you talked about the large number of death threats Obama has received you conveniently did not mention that Bush received over 3,000 death threats a year during his 8 years in office. That information was in the same article you referenced
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    Remember for a statement to be true it must be the whole truth.

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