Tea Party Fatigue

“Unless Tea Party groups can shed their protest reflex and develop a constructive and coherent political platform, we are going to see more stories dismissing their actual impact.”

Yes, I’m sure that the left-wing media will continue to dismiss the Tea Party groups all the way until November 2. Then reality will hit them.

Somehow I doubt these folks are really seething about the potential for increased derivative transparency.
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These folks thought that reforming health insurance to reduce the deficit and expand coverage was tantamount to Naziism. Why do you think they’re not seething about this, and pretty much every other sensory stimulus they perceive?

…we are going to see more stories dismissing their actual impact.

Doubtful. Once the media (not Fox or onservative talkers) realizes that particular Emperor is naked, they’ll basically drop coverage for other things….Similar to the whole PUMA brouhaha, which ended up being a media narrative and not much else.

Yes we will see.
Survey after survey has shown the Tea Party to be mainly made up of middle class, middle age white males. Who would normally vote Republican anyway. Basically they are the angry fringe of the Republican party. It’s not being dismissive to say that their influence has likely been greatly overblown. And unless they can start coming up with things to be for, instead of against, their movement will wither away. Just like so many other populist movements before them.

Soon they will be written off as kooks.

Ignoring them is the best strategy since they are all about demanding Republican obstructionism. Bipartisanship is against their message. Progress is against their message.

Their message has something to do with Sarah Palin and dressing up like George Washington.

Some of their supporters will soon face criminal harassment charges.

“Unless Tea Party groups can shed their protest reflex and develop a constructive and coherent political platform, we are going to see more stories dismissing their actual impact.”
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WTF?! Their impact is to prevent “a constructive and coherent political platform” for one of the two political parties in this country. That’s the story. That and the media’s response to that party’s continuing decent into incoherence.

The most disappointing aspect of the coverage they get is the idea that they are somehow separate from the Republican party. As others have pointed out, they are exclusively a republican phenomenon. Besides, Republicans are falling over themselves to try and appease them. The hilarity will ensue in the next election when the same republicans, understanding they need the vote of rational people as well, will have to distance themselves from the lunatics, without turning them off altogether. At that point John McCain will be back to pretending he is a maverick again.

The over-coverage of an extremist fringe of TBaggers has plenty of impact ; a major recoil in the electorate from their quasi-violence posture, and from the party that glomed on to it as if it were somehow mainstream.

GOP: married to failed Reagan/Bush Trickle Down, chained to bully Teabaggers, doomed to failure rearranging the deck chairs…

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I see we have a new resident TROLL. Welcome groenhagen2 (sounds German). So is all the media except Fox news part of the “left-wing media”? I for one am not that worried about the Tea Party. This party is getting way too much attention for having no new ideas and no platform to run on except for: the government is bad (except for Social Security and Medicare) and Obama is bad (he has a funny name and is dark colored.)

That PUMA analogy is really apt! I had forgotten all about them and how they were going to rise up and deny Obama the nomination.

However faux their “populism” (and we know what Joe Klein thinks about that dirty street movement) I hope we can acknowledge that the next time progressive populists are protesting wars and elite wrongdoing (surely under a pres. from that other party) our establishment-defending media will be equally inclined to disparage the dirty hippies. We’ll be treated with not a lick more respect. In fact, we’ll get less attn. & respect. I guess b/c we won’t be carrying guns to our rallies.

Noam Chomsky, that unrivaled bastion of neoliberal American thought, and one who I greatly admire, has been slamming the Obama administration as of late, equating it’s establishment policies as tantamount to fascism. Chomsky’s also been a stalwart defender of the TEA Party sentiments, if not the TEA Party itself. What say all you to that?

“Ignoring them seems to be the best strategy…)
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Oh Patsy you’re so behind the times! That was last years strategy when the Tea parties first started forming. Didn’t work. The latest tactic is denigration, ridicule, and outright lying, and judging by the size of the crowds, I’d say that’s not working either.The 2 parties I’ve attended so far this year were triple in size compared to last year. And mind you this is in the terminally blue state of Maryland. We’re growing rapidly, believe it or not, I really don’t care. But what, pray tell, do you think should be the next tactic dear Pat? We ain’t going away.

“Chomsky’s also been a stalwart defender of the TEA Party sentiments…
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The same ones long espoused by liberals, i.e., that government shouldn’t be in bed with industry and vice versa. One, the Teatards are late to the party (so to speak) and two, it doesn’t make the rest of what they believe any more coherent.

The problem, of course, Shep, is that there is not a unified banner that the TEA Party operates under. There are many varying sentiments, most of which are in some way tied to resentment of an ever increasing government. Another problem is that Chomsky cited old Hitler rallies and drew analogies about some of the fervor surrounding Obama’s campaign. That’s some bold sh*t, sh*t that would be denounced forthright had a conservative said this.

Yes you are 2thirds. You’re mostly old and the ignorance and hate you spew isn’t attractive to younger people that have interracted outside their own social/economic circles. The image of toothless, overall wearing hicks scared of a black man in power may not encompass all of you…but to say most of you don’t really know what you’re mad at and don’t offer any reasonable solutions is within the margin of error. I’m not scared of your numbers I’m worried about your anger. Stupid angry people are dangerous. And you guys are stupid and angry.

Sadly, I have personal experience with some of the folks in the Tea Party – some are neighbors, some are family. These people are good hard working folks who are politically unsophisticated – they are easily riled up. ………

http://thefiresidepost.com/2010/04/12/personal-experience-with-tea-bag-mentality/

Guess that’s better than George Washington dressing up as Sarah Palin.

I say, what is the Tea Party for?
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I respect citizens who react to their government overstepping its boundaries, whether it’s about civil rights, taxation, law, or political power. But the fact that this group simply mushroomed after Obama took office is curious. This doesn’t mean, of course, that all Tea Partiers are racist or bigoted. But they are all definitely anti-Obama.
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I cannot believe that these folks would have mobilized had John McCain won the election. And I do not see how the economic or political situation would be any better had McCain won. Would the GOP not bail out the banks? Many (most?) of them voted for the economic recovery act. Government power increased exponentially under GWB and Cheney. Where were these folks then?

The question is when will the attackers of the Tea Party being served with criminal charges for “hate speech”, harassment, assault and libel?

The drive by the left to minimize, demonize and embarrass the Tea Party has fallen flat. The new tact will be to say it’s overrated and meaningless. That will be doomed to fail as well.

The Teabaggers and the evangelicals need to fight it out to see who gets to control the republican agenda. I’m not one to spread rumors, but I hear the evangelical’s God is ready to kick the Teabagger’s God’s ass.

I repeat: Anger (even the misguided, uninformed kind) is a potent political force and is ignored at our peril.

Wow somepeeps, it’s obvious you wouldn’t know a tea party if you fell into one. Some of the kindest and most civilized people all gathered in one place that I’ve ever seen, and I know this from attending 5 parties so far. I myself am a balding 50 yr. old bassist in a kickass rock band, who has never owned a pair of overalls in his life. You an call me a liar if you want, I really could care less. As far as the anger, I’d say you’re sounding as bit testy, and dare I say I detect a bit of racism in your comment?

“The question is when will the attackers of the Tea Party being served with criminal charges for “hate speech”, harassment, assault and libel?”
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Well, how soon before I call the cops on Groenhagen2 for the next time he starts contacting my workplace as a means of vendetta for the harassment.
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You, freeinpa, have been an online annoyance, but are not threatening me.
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See the Post “Sedition” to see what, right here in the Swamp, your brother Tea Bagger does.
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Obviously if somebody here found out something about your life and inserted themselves in it without your inviting them to, you would be thrilled to press harassment charges. So, the fact that I am postponing doing more than reporting Goinhugger to Time shows that I am a patient person.
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Since you would like to prove to us all that harassment along with assault, hate speech and libel are uncharacteristic of the Tea Party, please prove it by telling Groinhugger that he was very, very out of line.
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Otherwise, if you are all a bunch of freaks who want to threaten harm rather than have a dialog, I am sure charges will be on they way for all of the crimes you commit.
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BTW: I am not joking about telling Groenhagen2 that he was out of line. Please do so and you will have, for what it is worth, some personal respect from anybody who sees it and knows the context.

“The question is when will the attackers of the Tea Party being served with criminal charges for “hate speech”, harassment, assault and libel?”

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Pardon me while I weigh into this as usual, to counter the absurd remarks being made prior to freeinpa’s statement above and below.
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Perhaps my liberal friends missed the recent speech by the ACORN leader, Bertha Lewis. Bertha, bless her soul, has pronouced the TEA Party Movement a “bowel movement”. Morgen Richmond from BigGovernment.com had this to say about Ms Lewis;
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“If the video clip of Bertha Lewis I posted yesterday exposed her disturbing views on the tea party and conservatives in general, as well as her support for genuine socialism, the clip I am going to post here reveals the means by which she and others on the left plan on achieving their radical goals. For all the phony accusations against the Tea Party movement for racism and fomenting violence, if there is anything which will lead to racial violence and civic unrest in this country it’s the agenda on display here”

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Along with the “BM” slam from Ms Lewis, she has also now associated herself with the “Young Socialist Democrats”. Hmmm, ACORN, changing it name now to some other hidden name so they can keep on getting our tax dollars, is forming an alliance with the Socialists of America. Isn’t that special.
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You can see her video speech here;
http://biggovernment.com/mrichmond/2010/04/22/bertha-lewis-a-socialist-rallying-cry-for-immigration-reform/
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To answer your question, freeinpa. It will never happen until we drive these heathens into the light of day and expose them for what they are.
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The next question is, “is this the group of people Democrats want to be associated with”? Is this what the Democrat Party stands for today? Is Bertha Lewis the face and voice of liberals in America?
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If I was a liberal, a Democrat, I would be asking myself is this who I want to be associated with?

“I myself am a balding 50 yr. old bassist in a kickass rock band, who has never owned a pair of overalls in his life.”
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Well, at least I do not suspect that you are exaggerating anything about yourself and have been honest.
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Unfortunately you have a profile like Joe Stack, but, hopefully without the airplane or the malicious intent.
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Unfortunately, including Groenhagen2, there are nutty people who claim association with your group, and more specifically, your only known spokesperson is Sarah Palin.
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A huge portion of her statements were not only factually incorrect, but very obviously so to the point where even the most lenient person must say that she was lying.
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Also, when Newfreedomblog sent us a video of the Tea Party in Sedition, we noticed that a huge number of people there fit that stereotype to a T.
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I think you should take up new hobbies, like golf, instead.
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We won’t end up with another George W Bush from your playing a good game of golf. But, if you stay with the Tea Party, we may end up with some real idiot in the WH again.

“The problem, of course, Shep, is that there is not a unified banner that the TEA Party operates under. There are many varying sentiments, most of which are in some way tied to resentment of an ever increasing government.
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They’re united under a banner of ignorant partisan hatred that makes them tolerant, at least, of racism and seditious lies. That’s all I need to know about them quite frankly.

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“Another problem is that Chomsky cited old Hitler rallies and drew analogies about some of the fervor surrounding Obama’s campaign. That’s some bold sh*t, sh*t that would be denounced forthright had a conservative said this.”
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They have. I actually listen to Limbaugh (it’s a dirty job…). Could you provide a link to Chomsky saying that Obama support is like Nazism?

“The image of toothless, overall wearing hicks scared of a black man in power may not encompass all of you…but to say most of you don’t really know what you’re mad at and don’t offer any reasonable solutions is within the margin of error.”

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Oh my, so much fodder within this thread to respond to, and to make you look like the fool that you actually are.
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First of all, it is not Barack Obama’s skin color. It is not that his father was Black and his mother was White. It is simply because the direction he is taking this country is wrong. PERIOD. All of your attempts at trying to make this out to be nothing but some racist rant is fully bogus, and easily seen through by any open minded individual. Why do you think everyday we are seeing more and more people of color responding to the TEA Party Movement and joining us?
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What we are mad about is the perversion of the Constitution. The continued growth, exponentially, of the Federal Government is a threat to the individuals of this country and their freedom. I know most liberals want a bigger Government. They want to have less freedom and more government control of their (and everyone else’s) lives. Liberals and progressives cherish a big nanny state to tell them and everyone around them what they can and cannot do. It is their need to provide for themselves some pie in the sky structure that they are fully incapable of providing for themselves. Liberals are weak. They want as many laws as possible in order to provide the structure that insane people must have in order to function in life.
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Today a bill was put forth in the House of Representatives by a Democrat who wants to remove the word “navigable” waters, from the Clean Water Act. Why you ask? So that the Government, the Federal Government, can choose what and how any body of, stream or even puddle of water you may try to use, is used. I know most liberals want total restrictions of our lives based on environmental concerns. That any water source running through my property is not mine to do with as I see fit, but is under total control of the government. What natural resource do you believe is the most valuable? Right, it’s water. He who controls the water resources will be the one to control every living thing dependent upon it.
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My “solution” is hands off my constitution and my freedoms. This country was not founded upon your perverted ideas of a neo-socialist country, regulation ladened Government. Crawl back into the hole that you and Obama crawled out of. America was meant to be free, it’s people to be free, and Government was meant to serve us, not dictate to us.

“Unfortunately, including Groenhagen2, there are nutty people who claim association with your group, and more specifically, your only known spokesperson is Sarah Palin.”

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Said by the same person who recently said, “I will put newfreedomblog and freeinpa in their place. I have newfreedomblog in my CROSSHAIRS“.
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Yes, please lecture us patricksartor on how a person should be non-violent. I am sure you are reading the teachings of Martin Luther King, Jr now as I type this.
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You are the most bogus blow hard that has ever waltzed onto a blog site. Go someplace else and blow smoke up someone else’s arse.
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You can’t threaten someone, and then in practically the same breath say to someone else that they are threatening. It doesn’t work. You BOTH are wrong. And, until you apologize you are nothing but a mouthpeice for the liberal loons.
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And the rest of the liberals on this site that are shouting out how “violent” and hateful the TEA Party People are, are no better. They condoned every word you type with no rebuke back to you what-so-ever. In my book they are just like you. Fake, factless blowhards.

Shep, I think N-R is referring to Chomsky’s speech at U. of Wisconsin, which I read about here:
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http://www.progressive.org/wx041210.html

The *teabaggers* have jumped the proverbial shark and like the ever expanding network of trolls here, they’re better off ignored.
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Move along, nothing to see.

re: 4.6, I give rusty (newfreedomblog) some credit for avoiding skin color issues …after he got his ass handed to him for remarking about Virginia Thomas aka SCOTUS Clarence Thomas’ wife…
http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/15/morning-must-reads-lock-and-load/comment-page-1/#comment-145114
…there was just one HUGE problem with his rant…. (this is the article referenced – the photo of Ms. Thomas is NOW missing but it revealed Rusty’s error, just find her pix on google)
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-thomas14-2010mar14,0,3190750,full.story

There, he’s obviously talking about the Teatards (and who might join with them), not making analogies to the Obama campaign:

“People want some answers,” Chomsky said. “They are hearing answers from only one place: Fox, talk radio, and Sarah Palin…In 1928 the Nazis had less than 2 percent of the vote,” he said. “Two years later, millions supported them. The public got tired of the incessant wrangling, and the service to the powerful, and the failure of those in power to deal with their grievances.”

I hate to say this but as a loyal Conservative Democrat for 30 plus years.. I now BELONG to the T.E.A. Party (teabaggers are the friends of those whom use that term).. there is NO more Democratic party.. It is now the PROGRESSIVE party and 90% of Democrats are NOT Progressive..they are NOT all white middle aged men, FACT is there were MORE WOMEN than men until recently..there are Black’s, Hispanics and Asian’s who attend.. I find it funny that the left keeps drinking the KOOL-AID and making themselves look not just ill informed but ignorant.. We are not worried anymore about the lack of truth in the MSM.. the MSM is not relevant anymore they have lost all creditability The left is just SCARED of the T.E.A. party movement.. name calling the left does is a sign of weakness .. The T.E.A. party is NOT A POLITICIAL party.. it is an AMERICAN’S like myself, family and friends MANY who WERE Democrats who are FED UP with the way things are going.. Many who were Democrats and just don’t have the time to attend the T.E.A. gatherings are just laughing at the lefts inability to GET IT..

I liked this part: “the center very quickly collapsed”
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But, yes, the part about answers was also important.
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This is little different than what many of us have been saying for years. Lacking any populist rhetoric from the democrats, naturally the vast swath of disenchanted Americans will go to the only church preaching to their angst. However much they’re being rope-a-doped, however misdirected their rage or sympathies (see Taibbi, Perstein, Digby) the dems are offering them no coherent counter-narratives.
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That said, the notion that Chomsky’s body of thought would be embraced by a significant portion of these folks is patently absurd. N-R is imposing his own libertarian openness onto a group of people who are largely hostile to intellectual thought (i.e. educated elites who don’t speak like Sa-Pal). Nevertheless, that doesn’t mean Chomsky’s plea for respect and engagement, of modifying our discourse, is without merit. Sadly, given who the dem party is in thrall to, given that most dem voters are in the veal pen of shirt-on-skin warfare, given that our media and schools are at epic fail on the dial, this is a lost cause.

When he says “I’m just old enough to have heard a number of Hitler’s speeches on the radio, and I have a memory of the texture and the tone of the cheering mobs, and I have the dread sense of the dark clouds of fascism gathering…” to what is he referring?
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In my opinion, I read that as I warning that the American government, currently under Obama, is heading towards dangerous waters, waters reminiscent of Nazi-era crackdowns on civil liberties and speech, especially given his repeated stress on not dismissing TEA Party sentiments, because, he argues, they are legitimate. The government/media approach to the TEA movement, he seems to suggest, is dangerous.
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With that said, I’m not here to defend the TEA Party. I’ve never attended such gatherings and I’ve been turned off by many of its followers’ simple-mindedness. But, the uncertain atmosphere surrounding the TEA Party and the very real legitimate unrest all across America should not be drowned out by the more public image of those sentiments, embodied, unfortunately, in a rabble rousing cloak of anti-government rage, i.e. the TEA Party.

“…however misdirected their rage or sympathies (see Taibbi, Perstein, Digby) the dems are offering them no coherent counter-narratives….that doesn’t mean Chomsky’s plea for respect and engagement, of modifying our discourse, is without merit.”
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Seems to me that the coherent counter-narrative that’s been missing is that “conservatives” are full of sh!t. And Chomsky’s plea seems to be that we not ignore them. That seems compatible and doable if we can manage to get more liberal voices in the ears of ever-irresolute Independents.

On the issue of legitimacy, I’ll point out, though, that I think it entirely reasonable to question the why and now of the TEA Party, especially given the breadth of government expansion during the Bush years, severe disregard for civil liberties and freedom of assembly, and a vast curtailing of basic freedom from government encroachment. These were serious anti-freedom initiatives, and it is important to press the TEA Party on their silence in this regard.
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What is not legitimate, however, is the attempt to smear and discredit the movement because it is allegedly composed of many idiots and imbeciles. This is true of the country, and most collective groups within it. We’re a nation of idiots and imbeciles, we embrace that. Find me a movement, an ideology, a tribal affiliation within the US, and I’ll point you to many idiots and imbeciles. We’re a bread and circus society.

patricksartor:
Please stop feeding the f@cking trolls.

I am beyond amazed at the continued coverage and seriousness accorded to these Tea party types.

Their threats and violent behavior should be taken seriously however their shibboleth of “Taking back America” etc. is just that– simply a pile of bunk—mere cover for rabid anti-Obama and anti-progressive position.

The Tea baggers are showing themselves for what they are and I do not know why continued efforts should be made by the media to read more into the acts and motives of this MODERN DAY LYNCH MOB!

This lily white crop of angry lie mongers want us to believe they have the interest of the country at heart????
Less taxes blah blah and yet their most visible representative is the woman who ran against the sitting President as VP on the other party’s ticket???
The notion that anyone would argue that the Tea party is anything but plain ANGRY REPUBLICAN FOLKS is ridiculous.

Their approach, unwarranted and continuing attacks of the President and their apparent or feigned lack of understanding of issues, in my opinion have robbed them of any modicum of credibility.

As I have always stated here, I am aghast this lynch mob mentality still exists in modern day America. Hey, because an armed robber now uses complex weaponry and ammunition to commit his crimes does not change the definition of same.
These tea party folks seem to bear striking similarity to the lily white crop of racially intolerant middle aged angry mobs who hung African American boys and men in the old days!

The rhetoric and anger of these tea drinkers is absurd and their efforts to inject themselves into serious political and economic debate is atrocious.

LM

http://bestrongbehappy.wordpress.com/2010/04/17/women-implant-in-yourself-the-ideals-you-cherish/

You are a troll. At least that is what I read from your writings here.

LM
http://bestrongbehappy.wordpress.com/2010/04/17/women-implant-in-yourself-the-ideals-you-cherish/

…mere cover for rabid anti-Obama and anti-progressive position.
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When did “anti-Obama” suddenly become a distasteful or dangerous position? You dismiss the TEA Party as merely anti-Obama. Ok. That’s basically the point, isn’t it? To oppose policies of the current government, i.e. President Obama? There was quite a bit of anti-Bush love in the air for nearly a decade in this country. Dangerous? No. Simply to be dismissed? No. Based on the actions of the Bush government? Yes. That’s political opposition at work. Generally speaking, liberals are anti-conservative, conservatives are anti-liberal. I don’t see any particular insight or clarity in your claim that the TEA Partiers are simply anti-Obama, anti-progressive, as if that’s not what they have been shouting themselves! Thanks for your remarkable deductions, though.

The real question is, am I the same person as international criminal StuartZechmann?

And you’re a paranoid, delusional blogwhore. Peddle your wares somewhere else.

“As I have always stated here, I am aghast this lynch mob mentality still exists in modern day America. Hey, because an armed robber now uses complex weaponry and ammunition to commit his crimes does not change the definition of same.
These tea party folks seem to bear striking similarity to the lily white crop of racially intolerant middle aged angry mobs who hung African American boys and men in the old days!”

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If this isn’t the purest form of racism, please explain to me what it is.
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You shoud not only be ashamed but should be shouted down from the top of everyone’s voice. YOU are the proponet of HATE SPEECH.
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“Lilly white”? Excuse me?
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I have an idea, why don’t you go explain your opinion to Dr Martin Luther King, Jr’s neice, Dr Alveda King, who was on the Glenn Beck show the other day who compared the Tea Party Movement to what she witnessed in the 1960′s when her Father and Uncle protested for Civil Rights.
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Not only do you go off in delusional rants about commenters on this site that you have the complete irrational thought they are somehow some evildoers in your personal life, you make these statements. After this rant from you, I do not know how you could ever show yourself around here any longer.
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Disgusting.

OMG, N-R, seriously!?
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“In my opinion, I read that as I warning that the American government, currently under Obama, is heading towards dangerous waters, waters reminiscent of Nazi-era crackdowns on civil liberties and speech…”

Wow Deconpoison, is it now a “crime” to mistake someone’s wife as being black instead of white?
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Yes I was wrong, I thought Justice Clarence Thomas’ wife was black, not white. But, it still does not take away from the FACT that Justice Clarence Thomas’ wife IS a Tea Party Patriot. Imagine that!
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Go troll someplace else, suck up queen!
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Come on, JC, was he suggesting that the TEA Partiers are the fascists? He’s been lambasting the Obama administration’s domineering polcies, and he’s been stressing that the TEA Party does have many valid frustrations and grievances. Yet, then he calls them fascists? I don’t see him going that route, but I may be wrong.

…Or, was your shock at the perception that what I wrote was actually my opinion? It was not. I don’t think the Obama administration is leading us towards a fascist regime. I think that is what Chomsky was suggesting, though. Or at least that the American government of late (including the Bush years) has been in a progression towards totalitarianism.

Wow, New fredom

This is certainly quite a rabid response to my thoughtful remarks! Yikes.

As I stated, the members of the Tea party are Lily white. Their anti-government speech, hooded racist rhetoric and call to violence reminds me of the acts of lynch mobs of old.

My comments stand as is. I humbly resubmit that they are factual and are not rebuttable. Please check the numbers of Tea party members and count the minority representation among them. It is a lily white movement. A fact cannot be considered hate speech. What law book are you reading?

On another note, you went off on an unrelated tangent and lost me in your disconnected drivel. However, I gather your intent is to disagree with me.

My comments still stand and hold true. Your disagreement is duly noted but hold no validity and do not impact my position.

Hate speech?? You need to carefully evaluate the jurisprudential basis of this definition you have thrown into your little tantrum here.

I humbly suggest that you might want to respond to comments you better understand. You are writhing, apparently, over concepts you appear not to properly grasp.

Sincere regards,

LM
http://bestrongbehappy.wordpress.com/2010/04/17/women-implant-in-yourself-the-ideals-you-cherish/

Cliff, If you continue to blog under my name I will report you to the high sheriffs. -SacredZechman

One of the things my organization does is educate people about online criminality and Technology criminals.

WordPress/Swampland is a hackers paradise–yes– there are groups of criminals who revel in their ability to break into these sites and the accoungts of the editors and writers on these and other sites.

Just because a lot of people are unaware of the modus operandii of trolls and other technology criminals who patrol the Internet committing violent crimes against unwitting people will not cause people like me or organizations like mine to speak up about criminals on sites like these and others.

Again, because the public is sadly unaware of the explosion of online criminals and the violence they unleash against law abiding members of the public will not stop officers of the law like me from doing our jobs.

Your efforts to discredit my valid and substantiated statements about criminals on this and other sites are just a waste of effort.

I will not stop speaking up about crimes against women and children being facilitated by technology used by vagabonds who delude themselves into an orgy of stupidity because they can hide for a longer time online and commit violent acts, undetected.

Things will continue to improve and people will continue to be more aware. I am certain that eventually, many people will have their day in court against vicious felons like

“Eve Sharon Moore” of the website Black Female Interracial Marriage blog and her cohorts. Criminals who violate, rob, molest and violently assault innocent people using technology to stalk, abuse, molest and even kill.

LM
http://bestrongbehappy.wordpress.com/2010/04/17/women-implant-in-yourself-the-ideals-you-cherish/

N-R, firstly, how much time is wasted online clarifying what’s actually being said? Not merely your comments, of course, but if we could somehow avoid talking past one another.
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“was he suggesting that the TEA Partiers are the fascists?”
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Not the TPs per se but those who are egging them on and misdirecting their legitimate resentment, the many demagogues on the right. Not that there isn’t a brownshirt population in every society and this segment of the pop. is clearly attending these rallies. Anyway, his reference to 1928 Germany is telling, in that this was before Hitler took power, but the wheels were in motion, however innocuous they may have appeared at the time. It’s not at all a question of their grievances being just–it’s who is manipulating such grievance, to what ends. You may hate his insulting tone, but have you read Taibbi’s piece about the peasant mentality in America?
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As for his “lambasting the Obama administration’s domineering polcies,” he’s been (like another of my heroes, Howard Zinn) attacking every US pres. since WWII. In 1990, he famously said that all postwar presidents should have been tried for war crimes. So his criticisms of Obama are hardly groundbreaking, but as an example of rightism? Not. Obama is the center and if it collapses, god help Americans cuz it won’t be replaced but something better.
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Here we agree: “the very real legitimate unrest all across America should not be drowned out by the more public image of those sentiments, embodied, unfortunately, in a rabble rousing cloak of anti-government rage, i.e. the TEA Party.”
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And most progressives admire Ron Paul and the libertarians for their condemnation of ID policies when Bush was president. This intellectual honesty and lack of hypocrisy is sadly not shared by far too many pseudo liberals who practice selective outrage. Likewise, our dedicated GOP voters who are this minute attacking Obama for doing/not doing anything & everything, when the absolute fact remains that if W were making the exact same decisions … We are a nation of sheep. In this secular, dystopian age we have to believe in our saviors.

I second this:
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“patricksartor:
Please stop feeding the f@cking trolls.”
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That guy has a big bucket of slops.
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That said, it’s probably even worse to feed or insult the mentally ill. I say this despite the ever tantalizing idea that SZ is New Freedom Lady.

jcapan: But if the mentally ill insult and feed other mentally ill, do we get a tax break? A cookie?

Hooo Boy!! Someone close the booby hatch!

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“Thanks for irritating new rusty. It is a worthy pastime.”
So going out of your way to piss people off in the course of political discourse is a “worthy pastime”?
No wonder no one in this country can have a useful discussion anymore; everyone treats it like Tupac vs. Biggie.
sasquatch08
March 28, 2010
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Sasquatch,
Sometimes I think of this as a part of a bipartisan think tank.
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Other times I think of being like the Machine Gun Kelly for the Democrats.
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Freeinpa and Newfreedomblog are just trying p o everybody.
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After a long debate, freeinpa was offline for a week.
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He was going off about the late Senator Moynihan but didn’t know what he was talking about.
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I put back in his place.
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I think he is changing his pastime to watching old movies instead of coming up with random things about Democrats.
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Newfreedomblog/rusty is next in my cross hairs. He is either going to learn to come up with valid explanations for what he says or change his hobby to stamp collecting.
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Yesterday Newfreedomblog was trying to say that Herbert Hoover was a liberal.”
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You will notice that Freeinpa is alive and well and I said to him that, if he believes that dodge ball was banned in the 1970s, I would love to play him at a gym in Manhattan sometime. Keeping in mind that injuries are extremely rare.
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Groinhugger did not know the dynamics of my workplace and attempted to do harm to me.
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Freeinpa says he does some kind of business to business work, too. If (to pick an example of somebody who would never do this in a million years) Stuart tried to contact Freeinpa’s clients in hopes of damaging his business, I can safely say that Freeinpa would be justified in contacting the authorities.
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I used a very obvious metaphor. Do I need to explain to you what a metaphor is and how that is different than contact people in the business I work at is?

My remarks at 9:15 belong here instead.
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Newfreedom, I’d play dodge ball with you, too, at a gym.
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Somewhere in your dysentery you brought up an obscure group of no interest to most of us called ACORN.
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They had some issues and do not have John Edwards, Joe Biden, Joe Lieberman or Geraldine Ferraro as their lead spokesperson. (All, like Palin, former unsuccessful VP candidates).
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The right seems to find some highly atypical and insignificant people to go after like Jane Fonda (who was doing exercise videos in the 1980s as the first time I remember her name since she was in Vietnam when I was one year old in 1972).
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Sure, there are a few wackies who call themselves Democrats and/or Liberals, but, they are not including former senators and congressmen, active senators and congressmen nor former vice presidential candidates as their leaders.
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Of course, since Republicans are eager to find any reason to find somebody wacky among Democrats, there is a Tea Party conspiracy theory that, apparently, research on global warming was being done when Al Gore was still in college set up all in a master plan to make Gore into a movie star.

All right, all right, it looks like the wingers are giving LM plenty of guff in the comment below.
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I just wanted to know if I was part of the grand conspiracy or not.

“What is not legitimate, however, is the attempt to smear and discredit the movement because it is allegedly composed of many idiots and imbeciles.”
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Liberals criticize this political movement because it is dishonest and stupid (nice use of pejorative spin – “attempt to smear, discredit the movement” – though). It is largely organized and funded by traditional right-wing corporatist operatives, pretending to be grassroots organic, trafficking in lying propaganda, disseminated down to ignorant partisans who effectively choose to be inculcated with delusion hatreds rather than learning the truth. In other words, it “discredits” itself.
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I can never understand why independents just can’t seem to discern a difference between protesting wars and war crimes by George Bush and threatening insurrection and succession over stimulus spending and health insurance regulation by Barack Obama. Between authoritarians and democrats. Between professional liars and flawed public servants. It’s killing us.

Jesus, Shep, how do you hope to grow the party if your message is: You’re too stupid to see that liberalism is your salvation? I mean, how is the population (hardly a bevy of auto-didacts) going to come to such a conclusion? Are their schools going to expose them to such heresy, or our press? One thing the democratic party could use a hefty dose of is some old fashioned Marxist sympathy for the underclass. Their interests are our interests–we better find a way to reach them, however distasteful they may seem. It is the only way the oligarchs will be defeated. And I can guarantee you one f’ing thing–the mofos who have destroyed America are pleased as punch to observe this type of division. They know as long as we’re at each others’ throats that they’re safe, that we won’t be dragging the f@ckers from their gated communities and …
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I’m under no illusions about the backing/objectives of the folks orchestrating this movement. But saying in such unrelenting fashion that everyone involved, at all levels, are stupid, fearmongering, traitorous swine, is incredibly counterproductive. You can call out the racists and the nuts and their puppeteers, but remember there are a lot of confused folks out there, their family members and friends, most of whom haven’t had your education.

“Jesus, Shep, how do you hope to grow the party if your message is: You’re too stupid to see that liberalism is your salvation?”
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No, “the message” is that Republican “conservatism” is a bullsh!t con job that has you doing the work of the oligarchy (in the appropriate Teatard-focus-group-approved language, of course). Weren’t you just saying something about the “peasant mentality”?

Hey, you know I love my Taibbi. But his objectives are limited. Matt Taibbi is not Amy Goodman, he is not Jeremy Scahill. There is only knowing mockery, not sympathy or commitment to change or any possibility that, per Scahill’s words, that he’ll embed himself in the foresaken communities he mocks so wittily. His capacity to elucidate in entertaining terms the tragic disconnect between poor voters and the candidates they tend to support is priceless. Now, just imagine if he’d focus his estimable talents on communicating to those victims, not merely to fellow, pampered elites (like the very rich Taibbi himself).
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Anyway, listen, if you think I’m some bleeding heart PC tard that wants to attend a TP rally and hand out copies of Das Kapital, thinking I’ll be well-received, you’re nuts. I come from a family that suffers no fools. If a jackass like textee walked into a conversation at my father’s house he’d be lucky to get out alive. There are limits to “what” I’m willing to engage. But I imagine even suck a closeted jackboot has a sister or an aunt or even a son that might be open to what that other church is preaching, if that church’s preacher weren’t saying that everyone in their community, everyone they see in their local church or Walmart or car-race, is ignorant trash. But, hey, maybe my roots are showing–where I grew up, that was the norm. Too many dems that had humble beginnings forget a lot, they’re so thrilled to get out.
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Anyway, as I much as I enjoy a good Taibbi riff, the rest of my character, the one that actually wants to see some improvement in society, even one I left behind, embraces Zinn or Chomsky, men whose sympathies aren’t with any f@cking party but with the burgeoing class of people being preyed upon, regardless of whether they’re too stupid to know by whom. But in this I’m out of touch with what the dem party long ago became (i.e. the oligarchs 2nd biggest defender).
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But I dunno Shep, we’ve gone here a few times and I don’t see any wiggle in the positions.

And another thing I’ve posted here a lot is that phenomenal scene from Matewan, where Chris Cooper explains to a lot of hardworking men what a union is. To a bunch of men who are hostile to his education, his politics or the notion of an integrated union. But they come to learn he has their best interests at heart, that he’s putting his life on the line, coming into their community to preach the f’ing gospel. Sayles’ perfect film is not mere fancy–this is the left I grew up believing in and it’s now virtually no where to be seen. It’s been replaced by something obscene. I may have little faith that it can be regained, but of one thing I’m fairly certain, if there is a hope of redemption, it’ll come from the dirty, reeking street, not from the party of Rahm Emmanuel.

it just eternally perplexes me that the tea party persona is based on so many incorrect “ideals”

the basic premise of the “theme” .. the tea party itself, invoking the boston tea party, is inconsistent with their own philosophy (as such). the BTP was not about being taxed. . . taxation without representation is not that same thing. the only true tea partiers should be those citizens in Washington DC… the rest of us have fairly elected our current representatives (& senators) in congress and by the rule of the majority, must accept this taxation, same as we (evil!) liberals had to accept lies about WMDs and letting Dick Cheney get away with shooting someone in the face.

on top of all that, the founding fathers of this great nation were not conservatives in the least. they were progressives. . . most of them anti-establishment intellectuals who did not have deep christian values. to usurp the image and themes of the american revolution for a political agenda (if there is a coherent one in the tea party movement, which I cannot see, other than to complain) completely contrary the original ideals from which the constitution and this nation arose makes me wish to hang my head in shame for my fellow, yet misguided, citizens.

Tea Party more likely to end up as the militant wing of the Republican Party”

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Guess who said that? Newt Gingrich.
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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/gingrich-tea-party-movement-will-be-militant-wing-of-the-republican-party.php
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So how long before all of them start wearing white sheets? I have no Klu.

“Hooo Boy!! ”
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Two thirds brain, it’s another well thought out, brilliant commentary of yours.
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In days gone by it was right wingers (yes, they were Dixicrats, now all changed over to the Republican Party after civil rights) who didn’t want the government to “give” rights and “rile up” the “colored” folks.
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Now, people of the same demographic group as those disgusting people are now saying that they do not want the government to be giving work to the unemployed in order to stimulate the economy or give the working poor health care. Disproportionately, although far from a majority of the working poor and people who will do better with these programs are black.
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It’s the same concept of using deception that turned poor whites against poor blacks that is now turning working Americans against programs to improve the delivery of health care and improve the economy.
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Do us a favor and don’t go the way of the last bass playing Tea Partier and fly your airplane into any buildings.
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I saw a headline when members of AFL-CIO crossed the path of the Tea Party members and it came close to a street fight between the people who demand a better life for working people and the fake wannabe victims of having to pay their share of taxes in the Tea Party.
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As the Klan, you guys are very confused. As the Klan, you are working against your own best interest at the hands of conservative manipulators. As the Klan is 100% white, your movement now is 99% white.
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Blacks have seen flag wavers before and, too many times in days gone by after the flags wave the crosses start burning. That is why your movement will not ever attract a proportional number of non-whites and why the unions will continue to.
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All you have to say for your self is “Hooo Boy!!’
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I do not think it is wise to use the word “boy” when talking about black people. It can give the wrong impression.
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Sorry if, once again, I used too many words as you complained about. Maybe somebody could read this to you so that you can better understand it. Maybe I’ll find a link to some pretty pictures for you.

*sigh*
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Thursday was humming along so nicely until the Tea Party Post…

End up as? When has it ever not been?

Icky9,
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Thanks for your informative post.
I noticed none of the Liberals had the courage to try an dispute your comments.
Truth is so inconvenient for them.

Yes, But I wonder what the wingnuts here have to say, now that one of their own republican leader has correctly identified the tea baggers as “militant”.

It’s weird how non on the Pro-Tea Party comments are mad about other Tea Partiers fighting to help international (read: FOREIGN) bankers continue to STEAL AMERICANS’ money. Shows all you need to know about the traitorous Tea Party.

It’s weird how none of the Pro-Tea Party comments are mad about other Tea Partiers fighting to help international (read: FOREIGN) bankers continue to STEAL AMERICANS’ money. Shows all you need to know about the traitorous Tea Party.

3x,
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“Truth is so inconvenient for them.”
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If that’s not projecting, I don’t know what is. You even used Al Gore’s phrase!
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The part about it being only 1% black is only about a month old. So, even if, out of nowhere, a large number of black people joined, it would be far too recent for anybody to know about it or if Icky is just in an atypical meeting of the Tea Party.
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Even rusty’s video shows people walking around with a sign saying the word “poop”.
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Economically opposing the stimulus package, which is a means in various forms practiced since about 1930 (even Hoover called it countercycular spending but did so far, far too modestly to put a dent into the Great Depression) is opposing any expectation of a recovery.
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Mathematically, opposing existing tax rates without specifically wanting to cut military spending (which we need peace for before we do so) would mean to cut services to the poor.
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To oppose this very modest and conservative health care reform would, in reality, be denying the working poor access to doctors.
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In reality, blacks are disproportionately likely to be poor and would benefit from both of these.
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So, since you are a believer, or so you say, in the reality of modern New Keynesian Economics and are aware of the reality of climate change, how can you stand behind the Tea Party, including climate change deniers and tell me that this is not a movement that will do harm to the working poor and to the environment our children (perhaps your grandchildren or great grandchildren) will live in?
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You claim to understand all of these things, yet, you act as if you don’t.

“I just wanted to know if I was part of the grand conspiracy or not.”

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In “Mommie’s World”, EVERYONE is an internet, coniving theif. You included, cliffy the wonder dog.
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She has virtually attacked everyone on this site with her delusional rants. But, when she calls TEA Party Patriots, “lilly white racists”, I have to respond to her. One can only hope that her computer becomes infected with the most horrendous viral infection that shuts her up forever.

“patricksartor:
Please stop feeding the f@cking trolls.”
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But it is so funny to watch them try to make sense out of nonsense!
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It can be totally irresistible during downtime.
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I shouldn’t have bothered with the stupidity of Groinhugger since he was just looking for a totally random p contest, but, Newfreedom, Icky, Earl Grey Jr. (note a type of tea, probably not his name) and 3X are doing these hilarious mental gymnastics to try and make sense.
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You’ll know when the economy is picking up in NYC. I’ll be too busy to show up online.
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At the moment it is this or chess and I never got good at playing chess.

“The left is just SCARED of the T.E.A. party movement.. name calling the left does is a sign of weakness .. The T.E.A. party is NOT A POLITICIAL party.. it is an AMERICAN’S like myself, family and friends MANY who WERE Democrats who are FED UP with the way things are going.”

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I will add to this great comment, a quote from Mahatma Ghandi;
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“First they will ignore you, then they will laugh at you, then they will fight you. Then YOU win”.

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I urge TIME.com, it’s putrid writers and all of the little libtards on this site to continue your feeble attempt to stop this great movement. You only shine more light onto the corruption of the Obama Administration, the perverted programs the Progressive Democrats on Capitol Hill, and the 20% of the far left extremists who are frothing at the mouth about the Tea Party Movement. Please continue!!

“Soon they will be written off as kooks.”
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What do you mean, “soon”, Patrick? The left has been trying to do this from the beginning.
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What this article ignores, what nearly all such articles ignore, is that the tea parties are ad hoc assemblies. While some people have tried to organize, control and direct this movement, I don’t see any real successes.
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Just as they formed up spontaneously, they will die out and possibly long before the November election. But the impetus that formed the movement will not die out. Citizens who united in opposition to Big Government will not suddenly decide that they like Big Government.

Patrick:
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Having been here a while, I know some of these individuals.
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For one, Groenwhatsisname isn’t unique. 2/3rds has threatened both shephardwong and democrats in general. He is absolutely on angel in this regard.
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NewFreedomblog is actua Rustydog, and other nom-de-plums, and mind you, he is an avowed racist. His invocations of MLK are entirely laughable, and so transparent as to be typical of the main reason why only 3% of the Black community identifies with the likes of him.
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My occasional comments to him about the “Sleeping White Giant” are in reference to a racist rant of his some one year ago.
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Just FYI, these individuals are calling the kettle “black”, but there pedigree is obvious.
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I don’t need to comment on Freeinpa, as most everyone has seen him walk along the shoreline of publicly displayed ignorance, however, he has been smart enough to avoid the croc’s bite…

“I urge TIME.com, it’s putrid writers and all of the little libtards on this site to continue your feeble attempt to stop this great movement.”
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It doesn’t look to me like anyone is stopping you from getting your important points across, such as the fact that liberals are retarded, and Obama is pushing his radical, socialist agenda.
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Hope I haven’t left anything out.

I think the first thing to do is figure out how to aeroslize Risperdone.
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Then do a fly over with the valves wide open…

…aerosolize…
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My slinger fipped…

Quote from 9.16 by shepardwong: “[Tea parties are] largely organized and funded by traditional right-wing corporatist operatives, pretending to be grassroots organic, trafficking in lying propaganda, disseminated down to ignorant partisans who effectively choose to be inculcated with delusion hatreds rather than learning the truth. In other words, it “discredits” itself.
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I can never understand why independents just can’t seem to discern a difference between protesting wars and war crimes by George Bush and threatening insurrection and succession over stimulus spending and health insurance regulation by Barack Obama. Between authoritarians and democrats. (end quote)
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I believe you are wrong on all points. There is no organization — though some people have unsuccessfully attempted to impose one. The tea parties were ad hoc and spontaneous, with no leaders, no chain of command, no big-budget ad campaigns, no platform or official agenda, and no mechanism to stifle even the wackiest ideas from anyone who tries to associate himself with the movement.
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Saul Alinsky would not approve. He would say they are violating all the rules for organizing a movement. He might be right, since there are no organizers. I am not sure whether they would be more or less successful if there was some framework of organization.
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Shep, you never will understand. Or at least not until you wake up some morning and discover that every aspect of your daily life is controlled by Homeland Security, the EPA, and the health monitors.
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Okay, I have to distance myself from “Patrickartors” remarks.
They do read vaguely familiar (it is similar verbiage and form to Tea party supporter “commentaries” from “different” commenters here)– but are nonetheless stunningly extreme so unsupportable.

*sigh*

A famous jurist once made a remark about losing the context of a remark because commentaries were altered and therefore misleading and failing in its quest to bolster with a valid position. It is not helping my position.

His comments are wrong and misguided.

Thankfully, I crafted my comments such that they stand alone and do not bolster or lend credence to these patricksastors remarks about planes crashing into buildings and the Klan blah blah.

The extreme comparison is flawed.
The Klan operates in disguise for the most part.

When then Klan show their faces, they usually engender a violent response from those they, in their cowardice, imagine they can terrorize.
I think it is the same when criminals imagine they can show their face and attempt the nonsense criminality (against law abiding folk, their betters) which they hide and commit in disguise.

The Klan is a bunch of local terrorists but I do not think they have in-depth similarities with the Tea party lynch mobs.

LM
http://bestrongbehappy.wordpress.com/2010/04/17/women-implant-in-yourself-the-ideals-you-cherish/

Thanks for your informative post.
I noticed none of the Liberals had the courage to try an dispute your comments.
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Personally, I didn’t dispute the comments because I didn’t read them.
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When someone TYPES with the RANDOM capitalization of a RANSOM demand letter, I just ASSUME that the person IN question is a DERANGED lunatic and THEIR words will BE an INCOHERENT rant.
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The fact that Rusty approved of the comment only seems to support that theory.

“Just as they formed up spontaneously, they will die out and possibly long before the November election. But the impetus that formed the movement will not die out. Citizens who united in opposition to Big Government will not suddenly decide that they like Big Government.”
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There are vegetarians who would rather drop dead than eat an ounce of meat, but, even amongst that tiny group, they are a tiny minority.
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There are anti-government people who would rather see people ill and the economy get worse than support increased government.
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The better these policies succeed, the fewer who will stand by the Tea Party.
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Also, of that 18% who consider themselves Tea Party supporters, 60% are Republicans already. So, that is about one third of the Republican Party. Those people will help get unelectable conservatives on the Republican ticket or fail to and, very possibly, stay home on election day if there are no Tea approved candidates on the ballot.
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So, either the Democrats win because the Tea Party gets a candidate too far to the right to win a general election, or the Democrats win because the Tea Party feels double crossed and stay home. A third possibility is if there are third party candidates for the Tea Party when they, sometimes, fail to get one of their own on the Republican ticket. This will split the conservative vote and give the seat, again, to a Democrat.
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Then they will vanish shortly after the November election.
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So, why pay so much attention to people driven to lose and driven to have no cohesive points to make? They are just expressing general anxiety. Diet and exercise can help alleviate mild cases of anxiety. Caffeine is the last thing they need.

“Shep, you never will understand. Or at least not until you wake up some morning and discover that every aspect of your daily life is controlled by Homeland Security, the EPA, and the health monitors.”
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Homeland Security is a Democratic concern! You stole that concern from us! Thieves!
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Unless you burn large amounts of things, dump toxic waste or pour pollutants into a body of water on a daily basis, the EPA has nothing to do with our day-to-day lives.
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“…the health monitors”.
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In my elementary school thirty years ago we had Hall monitors who were students assigned to tell the younger students not to run or trip each other in the hallway. What the fk is a health monitor?
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Are they, also, eleven year olds like hall monitors?

I wrote: “Just as they formed up spontaneously, they will die out and possibly long before the November election. But the impetus that formed the movement will not die out. Citizens who united in opposition to Big Government will not suddenly decide that they like Big Government.”
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In 4.13, Patrick, you responded” “There are anti-government people who would rather see people ill and the economy get worse than support increased government.” (end of quote)
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I would like to point out that being against Big Government is not the same thing as being anti-government. It means only that one’s opinion of the right size for government is much smaller than that of the progressive Left. For many it means something smaller that what George W Bush was willing to countenance. (Not everyone who supported him, did so unreservedly.)
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(quote)Those people will help get unelectable conservatives on the Republican ticket or fail to and, very possibly, stay home on election day if there are no Tea approved candidates on the ballot. (end of quote)
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I can see that it’s your hope that Republicans will nominate candidates who cannot win in November. There are some Republicans who share that concern. But I think you ignore the deep discontent among Republicans and independents, and their great enthusiasm for “throwing the rascals out.” On the other side, the people who turned out to elect Obama are not so enthusiastic about the Congress; they are dissatisfied with the pace of recovery; and their voter participation numbers are abysmal.
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So I think Republicans will do okay at the polls, and whether they gain a majority in either house the next Congress will be in a government-shrinking mood.
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(quote)So, why pay so much attention to people driven to lose and driven to have no cohesive points to make? They are just expressing general anxiety. Diet and exercise can help alleviate mild cases of anxiety. Caffeine is the last thing they need. (end of quote)
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Why indeed? No one forced you to read this blog, nor to post a response. I responded to your comments. As for the tea partiers having no coherent agenda, that might be true. But they are mad as hell, they are mad because of what your team is doing, and they are strongly motivated to roll back the socialist tide. If they elect a Republican congress and the Republicans fail them, then I am not sure what will happen. I know, however, that it will not be pretty.
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Patrick, you wrote: “Homeland Security is a Democratic concern! You stole that concern from us! Thieves!
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Unless you burn large amounts of things, dump toxic waste or pour pollutants into a body of water on a daily basis, the EPA has nothing to do with our day-to-day lives.
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“…the health monitors”.
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“What the fk is a health monitor? (end of quote)
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Your Janet Napolitano is the head of Homeland Security. Two weeks after the 9/11 attacks, it was Senator Bob Graham (Dem-FL) and Senator Diane Feinstein (Dem-CA) who proposed establishing the Office of Homeland Security, making it permanent, and funding it with an initial appropriation of $12 billion. After that it enjoyed bipartisan support and sailed through the Congress with most Democrats voting in favor. (There were some who objected over the issue of whether the TSA inspectors could unionize.)
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So do not pretend that it is Democrats who stand for personal liberty, against Republicans who want to take away your freedom.
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As for the EPA, if you do not see the power-grab by that agency then you are simply not paying attention. EPA wants every bit of control over energy usage — including who controls the thermostat in your home, the installation of monitoring devices in your car, regulations of every power plant and factory. It wants control over every lake, pond, and creek, no matter how small, no matter that “interstate commerce” is not involved — and over land use of every acre of land adjacent to these waters.
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Did you read any of the cap-and-trade bill passed by the House last summer? Scary stuff — the state and local governments would be forced to hire hundreds of thousands of specially-trained housing inspectors, whose only purpose would be checking for energy efficiency or the lack thereof. You, the homeowner, would have to pay for the initial inspections, and for reinspections, and for new inspections whenever the property is sold — and of course your tax dollars would pay the salaries of the inspectors.
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If energy is so precious, and its price rises because of scarcity, then everyone would naturally want to reduce its usage and cut their costs; but that is too logical, and it does not increase the role of government or the number of new government jobs.
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As for the health monitors, when the role of government includes protecting us from our own bad habits, like smoking or eating fatty foods, then then it will come up with penalties when we fail to follow these government mandates. Maybe you stand to lose your health coverage if you like your burgers and fries, or you refuse to quit smoking no matter how high the taxes. (Maybe folks will start growing their own tobacco?)

“But I dunno Shep, we’ve gone here a few times and I don’t see any wiggle in the positions.”
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Really? I’m not even quite sure where we disagree. Seems to me that we both want to condemn the contemptible and persuade the persuadable. I suppose that, if we differ at all, it’s with notion that the Teapartiers are persuadable. They’re not.

Shep, you wrote: “I suppose that, if we differ at all, it’s with notion that the Teapartiers are persuadable. They’re not.”
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Not true, they are reasonable people who will listen to reasonable arguments.
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But not from you, nor from anyone else who calls them “tea-tards”, liars, stupid, ignorant, racist, seditious, peasants, and “full of sh!t”. And all these epithets from you only in this thread.
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You might try a different tactic. Or stop pretending that what you do is intended to persuade.

I think the first thing to do is figure out how to aeroslize Risperdone.
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Then do a fly over with the valves wide open…
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Me and my effete elitist liberal friends prefer the Geodon spritzer for personal use at parties and family get togethers…..

Hooo Boy!! Someone close the booby hatch!
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….is that some sort of feminine accoutrement?

Better living through chemistry.

“Or stop pretending that what you do is intended to persuade.”
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Only those who can still think. Who’s pretending?

Are you actually suggesting or at least sanctioning the use of drugs to make your political opponents easier to control?
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I presume that you give Rohypnol (“roofies”) to all the females you meet who disagree with your methods of seduction?

“Are you actually suggesting or at least sanctioning the use of drugs to make your political opponents easier to control?”
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No, if you look it up, he is saying that you all need anti psychotic medication.

“For many it means something smaller that what George W Bush was willing to countenance. (Not everyone who supported him, did so unreservedly.)…As for the tea partiers having no coherent agenda, that might be true…If they elect a Republican congress and the Republicans fail them, then I am not sure what will happen. I know, however, that it will not be pretty.”
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It seems to me, judging how incredibly recently we had six years of complete Republican control, that if the Republicans fail, they will doubled down on more Republicans saying that the last batch wasn’t Republican enough.
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Also, with no cohesive agenda, it would be difficult if not impossible to get a Tea approved candidate at all who believes in cutting taxes, cutting the deficit but not cutting the programs that each individual Tea Party member considers the exception.
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I read about and debate with people about the Tea Party because it is entertaining to see many people held together by a common negative without a common positive. That is, among Obama’s constituents are people together supporting HCR (a positive and a highly specific one – preferably not as watered down as this, but, what can you do?) Also, Immigration reform (a copy and paste of Clinton’s in terms of amnesty for tax paying undocumented workers after something like a dozen years which was a copy and paste of Ronald Reagan’s). I could go on and on, but won’t.
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Successful campaigns have been, more or less, if you will, the voters voting “they shalt” not “thy shalt not”. Other than cutting taxes, there is only a vague and incoherent list of things that a Tea approved candidate could follow. It has to be “not socialist”, “not big government”, etc, etc.
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It’s a big mess. It’s also amusing to see intelligent people support it.
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Sure, I can say that you are not intelligent, but, if that were true, then it would be useless to say anything to you at all. It is just that the Tea Party are a bunch of vague idealists POed that there ideals are not similar to reality.
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As has been said here, reality has a liberal bias.

Patrick, Obama is a skilled politician and political strategist. Though he represents a tiny fraction of the electorate, he won a huge electoral victory — not honestly, not by telling people the truth about who he is and what he wants for America, but by changing the subject.
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For many people, especially those who might have voted for him, the first emotion is unease — they know something is wrong but they can’t define it and they are not even sure something is wrong.
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Then, gradually, they become more and more convinced that what Obama wants is not good for America, but they have not yet decided what they want instead. That might be the stage we’re in right now. That might be where most of the tea partiers are.
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I, on the other hand, realized back in 2007 that Obama was full of sh!t. I could go down the list of every one of his campaign issues and illustrate the harm that would be done if he succeeded in passing any legislation. I could see, in mid-September 2008, that fear of an Obama victory surged following the Republican convention… when it became clear, if it was not already, that McCain did not have what it takes to beat Barack Obama.
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Investors were dumping the stocks of good companies as well as bad, Every new tax, every new regulation, every new policy he announced, all darkened the economic outlook and convinced investors that this was going to be a long, deep, grinding recession. Nothing he said gave any confidence that he would actually do anything to spur real growth.
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Every mistake of FDR, of LBJ, of Jimmy Carter — Obama was determined to repeat those mistakes. I recognized this, but more importantly so many others recognized it, and they voted with their dollars even before the electorate went to the polls in November 2008.
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“Every mistake of FDR, of LBJ, of Jimmy Carter — Obama was determined to repeat those mistakes.”
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FDR: trying to pack the supreme court, detaining Japanese Americans during World War II and not grooming a Vice President to take over for him.
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LBJ: Vietnam and reliance on house projects rather than what later would be called section 8 housing for the poor.
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Carter: Not preparing our country for an oil embargo with better sources of energy even thought Nixon had the same problem and, also, used the same solutions. Price controls on gasoline and not indexing the tax brackets as well as being one of the least inspiring presidents of any country in history.
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Then why is the recession over and recovery beginning?
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He is working to close Guantanamo’s prisons, not open more of them.
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He is not packing the Supreme court, he is looking for a replacement.
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He is not working towards more housing projects.
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He is not only not getting us into more wars, he is very slowly (very slowly) working on getting us out of Iraq and focusing on fixing Afghanistan so that it will be at peace and not harbor terrorists.
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Health care: he is using the Richard Nixon/Bob Dole plan.
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The stimulus package: same as FDR, Eisenhower, Kennedy,
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We are getting better prepared very slowly with green jobs for a chance to respond to OPEC while proverbially giving them the finger and not caring about oil prices since we will need very little.
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He is doing a copy and paste of Reagan’s START treaty.
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You decided that you do not like Obama and then you came up with reasons not to like him.
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As for the stock market, that was the financial meltdown caused by previous administratons.
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The stock market is not the economy.
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The stock market is only secondary capital markets, not where we live day to day. We live in the labor markets unless you live off of a multi-million dollar trust fund (I sure as hell don’t).

“Every mistake of FDR, of LBJ, of Jimmy Carter — Obama was determined to repeat those mistakes.”
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Patrick, in 4.17: “FDR: trying to pack the supreme court, detaining Japanese Americans during World War II and not grooming a Vice President to take over for him. (end quote)
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Start with the National Recovery Act (NRA), ruled unconstitutional by a unanimous vote of the SCOTUS. It attempted to turn every industry into a monopoly cartel, to fix prices on every good and service, to arrest anyone who cut prices below the official price in order to attract more customers.
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Look up the case of Schechter Poultry Corp. v. United States, where the US government said this kosher butcher could not let their customers pick and choose which chicken(s) they wanted to buy, they had to take one at random.
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The NRA, in particular, favored large companies over small ones — it was easier to control a handful of big companies than thousands of little ones. Government bureaucrats were sent into the executive offices of thousands of firms, to “coordinate” industrial activities, to determine how much each could produce, to prevent competition.
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The Wagner Act encouraged unionization, which you might consider a good thing, but blacks and latinos and other minorities were not allowed in the unions. So it was a way to preserve jobs for whites, at the expense of everyone else.
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FDR did not just want to build the TVA dams, he worked relentlessly to destroy all privately-owned electric utilities.
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These and other policies destroyed business confidence. No one knew what new regulations might be issued the next week or the next month; no one wanted to take a chance on any new venture, when the government could step in and halt construction or production on the whim of some bureaucrat.
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Obama is making some of these same mistakes. Instead of making the utility companies his boogy-man, Obama targets the banks, the pharmaceutical companies, the oil companies, the coal companies, other energy producers. His regulatory agencies are busy creating new rules, which big companies have the resources to meet but smaller ones cannot. And his tax policies will hurt entrepreneurs so badly that there will be far fewer start-up firms — the ones that create most of all new jobs.
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(quotge) LBJ: Vietnam and reliance on house projects rather than what later would be called section 8 housing for the poor. (end of quote)
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LBJ did so much more. In 1960, nearly all black families had two parents in the household, and black unemployment was only slightly worse than white unemployment. Within just a few years after the start of the Great Society, black families were breaking up, crime rates were soaring in black neighborhoods, and there was rioting in the streets of dozens of American cities.
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Obama is trying to roll back the clock on welfare reform, to make millions more people reliant on the government for EVERYTHING: food, housing, energy, health care, generous unemployment benefits, generous tax credits. He is trying to create a bloc of hostage voters, voters so dependent on government that they can never get off the dole — and so they will keep reelecting the politicians who promise to keep the welfare money flowing.
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(quote) Carter: Not preparing our country for an oil embargo with better sources of energy even thought Nixon had the same problem and, also, used the same solutions. Price controls on gasoline and not indexing the tax brackets as well as being one of the least inspiring presidents of any country in history. (end of quote)
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Start with a weak foreign policy, that encouraged Soviet adventurism in Latin America, Africa, SW Asia. Just before it was too late, he realized the need for intermediate-range missiles in Europe to counter the Soviet SS-20 missiles — but he was not enthusiastic about the programs and was ready to cancel if he was reelected. He pretended to be an impartial mediator between Israel and the Arab states, but we have seen by his actions since then that he is anti-semite. He very nearly started another shooting war on the Korean peninsula, with his unwise comments about troop withdrawals. And he allowed US military strength to wither at a time with the Soviets were buiding new subs and surface ships, new bombers, new missiles, new tanks, new attack helicopters.
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Obama has not cancelled any major programs, except for the anti-missile systems in Poland and the Czech Republic, to protect against primarily Iranian missiles. But he has weakened the nation’s diplomatic position in many parts of the world by neglecting and insulting strategic allies. At the same time he has dropped any pretense of caring for human rights in authoritarian regimes. He travels the world, bowing to kings and despots — he wants them to like him, but cares little for the people they oppress. In this respect, Obama is worse than Carter. Carter was ineffectual, Obama just does not care.
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Then of course there were his energy programs, which discouraged domestic oil production
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(quote)Then why is the recession over and recovery beginning? (end of quote)
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The Fed has pumped trillions of dollars into the economy. European and Asian economies are humming along; China is again concerned about growing too fast! The US benefits from growth elsewwhere, but so far it has mainly just stopped the situation here from getting any worse. Reliable experts say it could take ten years for the housing sector to recover. The banks are making money, borrowing from the Fed at 1% and buying Treasury notes and bonds yielding 3-4%; but that cannot last forever.
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In the meantime, there are new taxes and new regulations coming. If I was a manufacturer, looking to build a new plant, there are a handful of low-tax states I might consider; but more than likely I would decide to expand outside the US. There are just too many barriers being erected here that discourage economic activity.
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(quote)He is working to close Guantanamo’s prisons, not open more of them. (end of quote)
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Gitmo is a fine place to keep illegal combatants while they can be interrogated, prior to their execution. The ones who have no useful intel should just be executed on the battlefield, as they have throughout history. They have no protection under the Geneva Convention — and giving them protections makes a mockery of that Convention.
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