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Know-Nothing Watch

The anti-Obama forces, it seems clear, are rooted in classic American know-nothing populism–nativist, isolationist, paranoid. Today’s Exhibit A is from the Drudge Report, in which the newly designed $100 bill is slagged for, as the headline has it, “looking European.” Drudge links to this report from Bloomberg, which describes the reasons for the new look:

The new look, aimed at thwarting counterfeiters, has several new security features, including a “3-D Security Ribbon” and an image of a bell on the front of the note that, when tilted, changes in color from copper to green. The reverse side of the bill includes a new vignette of Independence Hall in Philadelphia.

But…reasons? Rationality? Greater security against counterfeiters? Feh! It looks like a freakin’ Euro, which means it must be a precursor of socialism. That Obama is one sneaky crypto-muslim.

But then, the same sort of cosmopolitanism was suspected of Ben Franklin–one of our most secular humanist playboy founders–after he sampled the bright lights, and women, of London and Paris. I mean, isn’t it, like, suspicious that Obama would want this Christian Nation to continue to feature someone as insidious as Franklin on its $100 bill? Why not Billy Graham or Ronald Reagan? Or Tom Tancredo? Can’t we get some real reform around here?

And, when you think about it, Independence Hall is pretty suspicious, too: it is a classical colonial building, clearly inspired by European building styles of the 18th century (one of the more suspicious and licentious periods in European intellectual history and arts).

What is this country coming to?

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  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Wait, so Drudge’s only comment on the new $100 bill is a two word complaint? Obviously they put a lot of thought into it….

  • Ivy_B

    If they really wanted to go European, they would have changed the color of each denomination and cut out the wasteful and costly production of paper dollars and required the use of a dollar coin. Now that would have blown Drudge’s head apart! But, it would make our currency much more user friendly.

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    I often wonder how much attention I should be giving to things like this. I mean, how many people in this country really are worried about the dollar looking like the Euro. Yes, the know-nothing mentality is grating. If nothing else, they’ve succeeded in stifling a rational conservative viewpoint.

    On the other hand, maybe the only reason they’re so powerful is we keep paying them so much attention. How much of this movement are geniunely concerned people and how many are folks with low self-worth who are trying to prop up their self esteem by being a part of “the revolution?” Frankly, I don’t know enough of them to say for sure, but that’s the signal they’re sending out.

    This reminds me of something I learned practicing politics on a much smaller scale. I was on the Planning Commission in my city and we had a development being considered across the street from a stretch of riverfront houses (our prime real estate). At every meeting, I was greeted by howling home owners that claimed we were subverting the will of the people with this development. When we did send out a survey, we found that the people in the area were actually 2 to 1 for the development.

    We do ourselves no service by paying so much heed to these voices because they happen to be the loudest.

  • groenhagen2

    The very strange looking Klein should note that Obama’s approval rating is down to 44%, meaning most Americans are now part of the so-called “anti-Obama forces.” If the effeminate Klein wants an example of paranoia, he should look in the mirror.

  • groenhagen2

    Of course, we have had numerous surveys on the Obama administration. It’s not just the loud folks who are not happy. Poll after poll shows that the American people do not approve of Obama’s job performance, and that they have lost trust in the federal government. By the time Obama is through, only Joe Klein and others in the knee-pad media are going to approve of his job performance.

  • Matt

    Drudge is just fuming because he’s no longer the go-to source of controversy and news for conservatives. The Tea Partiers probably don’t even know who he is…

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    I would like to thank you for providing me with Exhibit A on my argument, especially in your comment below mine. I’m not talking about anyone not happy with the President (note my rational conservative note). I’m talking about loud, irrational, knee-jerk responses to changes in American culture which they feel he epitomizes. You may as well. I mean, is “calling out” Joe Klein as effeminate really moving rational debate forward?

    And hey, Obama has 44% approval, beating out Reagan’s for the same period in his Presidency.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    This could be another sign that the world will end on Dec. 21, 2012, or perhaps, that Obama is the long anticipated anti-Christ.

  • deconstructiva

    Not all populism or other third-party-ish movements (NOT the corporate Third Way™ politicians) are this way. It’s interesting to compare Perot ’92 to the Tea Party, but they’re not similar. He had one issue – The Deficit™ + those debate charts – and was right about that. The TP could be a purely low-tax movement, but their paranoia, racism, and other vitriol ruin their intentions. I voted for Perot in ’92 (but not ’96 – Clinton) and shared the genuine both-parties-suck belief. I don’t think that identical attitude exists today, even with low approval of Congress. Here’s a Perot / TP comparison…
    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/04/how-similar-are-tea-party-and-perot.html
    …which linked this article…
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/17/AR2010041701613.html
    Joe, what do YOU remember back then that stands out from now? Thanks.

  • Joe Klein

    Strange-looking, indeed! I plead guilty. My wife certainly thinks so….But it’s interesting, isn’t it, that these sorts of posts get so much more attention from commenters, especially wingers, than my substantive posts do. As I write this, my “Latest Column” post, which raises some serious questions about the situation in Afghanistan, has received all of one–count ‘em–comment.

    If I were to practice journalism according to the number of comments received, I’d only be posting snark and political fluff. But then, it’s us lamestream media blockheads who are to blame for the insubstantial nature of the press, right? It has nothing to do with giving our readers what they really want.

  • jsfox

    And as if on cue “the know nothing” commenter appears compensating for the lack of an intelligent thought with a personal attack.

    And FYI Gallup has him at 49% approval.

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    Thanks for coming in swinging, Joe. I think this guy has some serious self esteem issues (he seems awfully concerned with your looks and masculinity). I would like to thank you for your pieces on Afghanistan as they’re probably the best I’ve read on the subject. Please keep up the good work and don’t let the trolls bring you down.

    By the way, I think the key to the size of responses to posts like this versus the others has to do with how much easier it is to have an emotional response to an issue like this. Contrast that with the thought and self-reflection that come with and discussions about our two ignored wars.

  • 3xfire3

    ditru,
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    Your point is well taken. Joe likes to write stories about these irrelevant items as his way of trying to show how stupid people are who do not support Obama.
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    I know that was not your point but it is the truth. Joe is a believer and can’;t understand how any rational American can not love Obama as he does.
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    He is a committed Liberal through and through and feel that Liberals [who make up about 15% of the USA population] are smarter then the rest of us.
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    Obama’s approval rating has fallen to 44% and next to Reagan has the lowest approval rating, after 5 quarters, than any other president in the last 70 years.
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    Joe just can’t understand it. Americans are so dumb [according to Joe].

  • deconstructiva

    Joe, be careful about groenhagen2 after his interactions with regular commenter patricksartor –
    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/04/19/sedition/comment-page-3/#comment-157231
    and this shortly followed –
    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/04/19/sedition/comment-page-3/#comment-157258
    (most activity is on page 3, start at #66)

  • sevenoaks07

    Joe: I note your point about your substantive posts not receiving comment or critiques commensurate with the seriousness of the issue under discussion.

    For fellow Swamplenders who have time and access the second British Election Debate will be broadcast today on BBC World at 3.30 ET It will be for 90 minutes. BBC America is another option.

    Cheers.

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    And thank you for continuing to prove my point about the lack of rational debate. On that note, I realize now I’ve written a lot about something I said we pay too much attention to. With that in mind, I think I’ll move on to more important things.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    It’s also worth noting that 44% approval (even if it were the real number) generally doesn’t mean 56% disapproval. There’s often a ~10% gap and I believe you’ll normally see 48% as the partner to 44% (I haven’t seen the recent stats to know the actual). So while I could accept the argument that more of America is “anti-Obama” than “pro-Obama”, I can’t accept the argument that the majority of America is “anti-Obama”.

  • Ivy_B

    Thanks sevenoaks, I was wondering but had not had time to check the time details.

  • grape_crush

    What is this country coming to?

    It’s called epistemic closure. Check out Sully’s take:

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/04/epistemic.html

    What’s hilarious is the kneejerk reaction from the other house conservatives like Lopez and McCarthy over at The Corner…

    Trouble with the term ‘epistemic closure’? From Bruce Barlett:

    What it seems to mean in terms of the current discussion is that conservatives live in a cocoon or echo chamber in which they only read conservative magazines like National Review and the Weekly Standard, only listen to conservative talk radio, only watch Fox News and only visit conservative web sites. It’s a closed loop in which any opinions or facts that conflict with the conservative worldview are either avoided, ignored or automatically dismissed on the grounds that they must be liberal or come from liberals.

    http://www.capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/1660/data-point-epistemic-closure

  • earljr1

    Joe Klein is Obama’s semi-trained Parrot. He sits perched on his shoulder, but can only say four words, “Obama good” and “Republican bad”. I doubt if he can be further trained and as a consequence, when Obama is voted out in 2012, his value will decline precipitously. Not to worry, Joe, I am sure that one of these left wing loonies you so carefully preen, will keep you around to amuse their friends. Your attempt at objective journalism is a joke. Your vicious attack on a really GOOD journalist, Charles Krauthammer, shows just how biased you are.So thanks, I will stick to Charles for the REAL news. (news that I can trust to be objective)

  • apr2563

    3Xfire: Maybe he should be paying more attention to this:
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    http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2010/04/19/delusions-the-legislature-and-an-implanted-microchip/
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    Those changes in the $100 bill may be a plot to implant microchips in vaginas and rectums.
    Drudge is just giving us a warning.
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    After all, there is nothing crazy about the wingers. Thank you Georgia Reps from keeping us safe.

  • apr2563

    In other words only listen to the “real news” for “real Americans” that reinforce your “real values”.
    Really?

  • notfooledbydistractions

    This lunacy is just more from the terminally deranged.

    The design was actually done and approved during the bush admin – the bill was supposed to be released in 2008 but was held up. That evil Obama – making us just like Europe – even when he has absolutely nothing to do with it.

    It’s astounding how ignorant and gullible some people are. Amazing.

  • apr2563

    Yeah Joe. That beard is just so effeminate. Poor, unpleasant groenhagen2 is back to let us know just how insecure he is.

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    apr2563: I read that article and am dying here. Dying.
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    “Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them” (Shakespeare, “Twelfth Night”).
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    Or have greatness thrust within them, in this case…

  • apr2563

    NRO is always hilarious. I have had long email discussions with Ledeen and others. Ledeen always tries to convince you he didn’t write what he did and Goldberg tries to feign intellectualism. The trouble is they never want to stop the dialogue. So, I usually tell them their point of view is interesting and bid them adieu.

  • jsfox

    Talk about a perfect example of epistemic closure -

    Your vicious attack on a really GOOD journalist, Charles Krauthammer, shows just how biased you are.

  • freeinpa

    JK:

    “The anti-Obama forces, it seems clear, are rooted in classic American know-nothing populism–nativist, isolationist, paranoid”

    It’s a perfect match for your reporting based on arrogance and stupidity. You and your cohorts like Chris Tingles and Keith Doberman continue to smear and denigrate opposition because they deign not oppose your brand of socialist crap.

  • shepherdwong

    It’s astounding how ignorant and gullible some people are. Amazing.”
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    You know what else is amazing? At least half of our political discourse is driven by and for those people. Consequently, we’ve become a know-nothing country.

  • Ivy_B

    Actually not on my cable system. I almost never turn the tv on during the day. Quite surprised at all the Adult rated shows that are on!
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    Did find it on my satellite radio.

  • ohiopapa

    How about a picture of this $100 bill, so we can see how “European” it looks (looks 99% the same to me.)

  • groenhagen2

    dtrudeau:

    “You may as well. I mean, is “calling out” Joe Klein as effeminate really moving rational debate forward?”

    Just as far as Klein did with his gratuitous attack.

    “And hey, Obama has 44% approval, beating out Reagan’s for the same period in his Presidency.”

    Barack Hussein Obama is no Ronald Reagan. Reagan won 49 states in 1984 because he contributed to making things better in this country and the world. No serious person believes that things in this country will be better under Obama and his misguided policies.

  • groenhagen2

    apr2563:

    “Yeah Joe. That beard is just so effeminate. Poor, unpleasant groenhagen2 is back to let us know just how insecure he is.”

    I was referring to his voice and mannerisms, not his beard, which is a feature on many gay men.

    No insecurity on my part. I’m not hiding behind a pseudonym like apr2563.

  • groenhagen2

    Joe Klein:

    “But it’s interesting, isn’t it, that these sorts of posts get so much more attention from commenters, especially wingers, than my substantive posts do.”

    Here’s your problem: You constantly and consistently make asinine comments such as saying Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are guilty of sedition (as a fifth great-grandson of Rep. Matthew Lyon, I’m a bit sensitive to bogus charges of sedition), and then you expect people to take you seriously when you write more “substantive posts.” Frankly, if I want to read about Afghanistan, there are writers who know far more and are more rational than you. You come off as a vile and petty, little man.

  • earljr1

    Gee, april, you surprise me. No snide commentary about Charles being in a wheelchair this time? Go back and stroke Joe some more. Perhaps you can coerce him into writing an anti-God piece, something you and your cohorts can high five and celebrate. Nothing like being in the left wing loony pen, full of self righteousness and inflated ego’s.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    “You come off as a vile and petty, little man.”
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    Never before has the word “you” been so blatantly confused with the word “I”

  • megatronrises

    …except for 44%+ of the population…

  • megatronrises

    Actually, Joe is probably one of the better educated reporters who write on the topic of Afghanistan.

  • fhmadvocat

    earl,

    Your original post and responses demonstrates what is wrong with most of the Conservatives on the Swampland blog. You accuse Liberals of being smug, arrogant and resorting to name calling. Then you resort to being smug, arrogant and name calling (“Left Wing Loonies”). Unfortunately, many of the Conservatives on the Swampland blog suffer from “projection”. The idea being those things they hate most about themselves, because they can not recognize it in themselves, they project those negative traits on to the “other”. Perhaps the best and most clear example of this in American history, was the projection by White slave owners in the South of their Black male slaves as sexual predators out for White women, when the reality of the situation was much different. We even saw that as late in the last century when Strom Thurmond made segregation a political career move, being so concerned about Black men preying on White women, when he, himself fathered a child by a Black woman who worked for his father.
    That said, the idea that Charles Krauthammer is objective is quite funny. I read Mr. Krauthammer on a regular basis. Mr. Krauthammer is quite intelligent, however, he is anything but objective. There is a reason he appears in the editorial section of my newspaper. The same goes for Fox News. It is quite conservative.

    As far as the “mainstream media”, while you find it quite liberal, as a Liberal, I do not. No, it is clearly not Conservative, but represents a “mainstream” point of view. Yes, it goes after Conservatives, but it goes after Liberals as well. While you view the mainstream point of view as liberal, I do not view it in the same way.

  • groenhagen2

    megatronrises:

    “Actually, Joe is probably one of the better educated reporters who write on the topic of Afghanistan.”

    Yes, and Rosie O’Donnell is beautiful and svelte.

  • groenhagen2

    megatronrises:

    “…except for 44%+ of the population…”

    I did qualify my comment with the word “serious.”

  • carpevis

    Gods, groen is an idiot:
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    Sedition:
    –noun
    1.incitement of discontent or rebellion against a government.
    2. any action, esp. in speech or writing, promoting such discontent or rebellion.
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    Fox News does that. Glen Beck does that. Rush Limbaugh does that. Sarah Palin does that. Hell, her husband belonged to an organization promoting Alaskan secession. Groen obviously doesn’t understand what the freaking word MEANS.
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    The truly ironic part about the whole tea party is that no one knows what they want to do. They all have the same plan: rebel against government. But beyond that, there’s nothing. In the meantime, these loonies are out there committing sedition all the damn time. They are always saying, “Let’s take back America!” From whom? The democratically elected government?
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    Joe, great piece. Hell of a laugh for the day. The sad part is that with the kind of seditious rhetoric coming from the right, it’s hard to tell when someone is joking or being deadly serious. The noise volume has gotten that loud.
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    Also, the most recent RCP aggregate approval rating for Obama is at 48.3%, with a 46.4% disapproval.
    .
    (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#polls)

  • grape_crush

    …and now the closure is complete:

    Yes, Jim Manzi, one of the most effective, data-driven critics of cap and trade is described thus on Mark Levin’s Facebook page and all Levin’s fans congratulate him for smacking down a “liberal” and an “eco-Marxist”!

    So there you have it. When someone like Manzi is a left-wing zealot, then the right has simply ceased to be in any way rational. The circle has closed.

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/04/jim-manzi-is-a-global-wamring-zealot.html

  • fhmadvocat

    groenhagen2,

    I can tell you that there are plenty of people who will tell you that the Reagan years were disastrous for this country. Of course those people are Liberals. Just as you can’t stand Obama, Liberals can’t stand Reagan.

    At this point in his presidency, Reagan’s popularity was worse (40% vs. 44%) and unemployment was higher (10.8% vs. 10.0%). Therefore, it is a bit premature to say whether Obama’s presidency will be sucessful.

    Yes, even as a Liberal, I think Reagan did some good things. He restored American’s faith in the presidency and in government after the terrible presidencies of Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter. He provided inspiration to many who fought against Communism. That said, there are a number of things I think he did wrong:

    He ran up record deficits (sound familiar).

    He cut taxes on the rich, while raising taxes on the middle class and the poor (check how much more we pay in payroll taxes.)

    He negotiated with terrorists (Trading arms to Iran for the release of hostages in Lebanon).

    He backed down from terrorism by withdrawing the Marines from Lebanon in 1983 (Don’t you think Bin Laden took notice?)

    Now, I am not trying to be objective. I am a Liberal, but even Obama has recognized that Reagan was a game changer. That is what Obama is trying to be.

    Obama is a really a younger, cautious, Libeal version of Ronald Reagan. That is why he will be re-elected in 2012 (Just remember Reagan went up and down in the polls based on the debates).

  • megatronrises

    Have you even read his reports?
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    He shows a firm understanding of the challenges of the region, including the strategic plans, culture clashes, local politics, and various other issues that pop up as we try to stop the Taliban. For all his centrist Democratic views and Tea Party cynicism, he is a great field reporter.

  • megatronrises

    So you’re saying the overwhelming majority of Americans that voted the guy in and gave him a mandate to enact his policy plan isn’t “serious”? What do you mean by “serious” anyway?

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    This is absolutely true, Joe:
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    “But it’s interesting, isn’t it, that these sorts of posts get so much more attention from commenters, especially wingers, than my substantive posts do.”
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    It would probably lead me, if I were an influential columnist, to write only substantive posts. And please, don’t think that all commenters here jump at the opportunity to engage O’Reilly’s primates. Though sadly, IMO, too many liberals seem to come here only for such insult-fests. Some of us surf right on by, looking for that quiet corner of the room where more interesting discussion can be had.

  • carpevis

    The single greatest impediment to me becoming a Republican is the thought of having to share my political affiliation with the morons who want to incite civil war against my country.
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    The single greatest impediment to me becoming a Democrat is the thought of having to approve of our government messing around in my personal life.
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    Seems to me there’s room between these extremes for a third party with a more moderate point of view. Anyone care to join me? Start using the term “Independence Party”. To join:
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    1. You must be AGAINST overthrowing the Federal government and repudiate violence and inflammatory rhetoric as a means of producing change.
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    2. You must be against a government that tells you where to go, what to do and how to do it all the time.
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    3. Above all, you must be willing to discuss, compromise and embrace change based on a democratic process.
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    Extremists need not apply.
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    If you think you have what it takes to be a REAL moderate, use that term to describe yourself. Let’s see how many of “the silent majority” there really are.

  • acameronw

    Gracious me, earljr, calm down, will you? I didn’t know there was a sub-basement to the bottom of the barrel, but the “What, no joke about Charles being in a wheelchair?” remark is a new low. If someone doesn’t make a joke, don’t assume they wanted to. I for one, read Krauthammer from time to time (with mounting dismay) and I had completely forgotten he was in wheelchair until you brought it up.

  • shepherdwong

    “If you think you have what it takes to be a REAL moderate…”
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    An irrational (inculcated?) fear of “government that tells you where to go, what to do and how to do it all the time.”?

  • anon76

    I think the word you want is ‘betwixt’. Some have greatness thrust betwixt them.

  • Art Pepper

    Joe – FWIW, I definitely read the substantive posts, even when I don’t comment. It’s easy to post a comment making fun of Drudge, harder to write a thoughtful comment about Afghanistan.
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    Drudge’s headline would be stupid even if it really were “Obama’s” $100 bill. But the redesign was originally slated for 2008:
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/21/AR2010042105177.html
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    (h/t Washington Monthly)
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    So this is like when Obama magically traveled backward in time to 2007 to redesign the Space Defense Agency logo.

  • acameronw

    I would like to direct everyone to an absolutely priceless video on Huffington Post today. An intrepid reporter, armed with a microphone and more patience than I could muster in a million years, visits a Tea Party rally. He asks the people there to tell him specific Obama administration policies to which they are opposed. Specifics elude them entirely, and when confronted with actual facts about the Obama tax cuts, they simply refuse to believe them. One woman is absolutely convinced that Obama is planning to ban fishing in the United States. It’s funny and frightening in equal measure
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    (freeinpa, earljr and their compatriots will find this post “smug” and “condescending” and “elitist.” Let me just add briefly that I am convinced that the people in this video love and take care of their families, would come to the aid of a neighbor in distress, and love their country. That’s no excuse for paranoia and being willfully uniformed)

  • shepherdwong

    Or 2008 to engineer the bank bailout while working for the Bush Administration.

  • groenhagen2

    forgottenlord:

    Today Rasmussen has Obama’s disapproval rating at 52%. Last time I checked, anything over 50% constituted a majority.
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

  • groenhagen2

    fhmadvocat:

    I think you need to study the Reagan administration a bit more. Most of your “negatives” are completely wrong. Blaming the deficits solely on Reagan betrays your ignorance concerning who controls the nation’s purse strings (see Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution). Reagan’s deal with Congress was that there would be three dollars in spending cuts for every dollar in tax cuts. Congressional Democrats reneged on that deal. Reagan did not raise taxes on the poor and middle class. Taxes were reduced for all income levels. I was in the Marine Corps in October 1983. The Marines were there as peacekeepers. When it was obvious that there was no peace to keep, we withdrew several months after the barracks bombing. I’ve read quite a bit on bin Laden and al Qaeda, and it seems that he actual took notice from Clinton’s withdrawal troops from Somalia. In a 1998 interview with ABC, bin Laden discussed the U.S. withdrawal from Somalia. “As I said, our boys were shocked by the low morale of the American soldier and they realized that the American soldier was just a paper tiger,” bin Laden said. “He was unable to endure the strikes that were dealt to his army, so he fled, and America had to stop all its bragging and all that noise it was making in the press after the Gulf War in which it destroyed the infrastructure and the milk and dairy industry that was vital for the infants and the children and the civilians and blew up dams which were necessary for the crops people grew to feed their families.”
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/interview.html

    Bin Laden also learned from Clinton’s weak response after the embassy bombings in 1998 and his complete lack of response after the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000.

  • groenhagen2

    carpevis:

    “Gods, groen is an idiot:”

    And you’re an ignorant coward. I suggest you read Chapter 19 of Johh Locke’s “Second Treatise of Government” to learn about who the actual “rebels are, moron. It would do you some good to crack open a book from time to time instead of parroting the fools at MSNBC, the Daily Kos, and Media Matters.

    If Locke’s English is a bit too tough for you, perhaps you can check out Geoffrey R. Stone’s “Perilous Times” to learn more about the history of sedition in this country.You’ll note how much Klein and his fellow moonbats sound like that “great” progressive Woodrow Wilson when he tried to silence those with whom he disagreed. However, at 730 pages, I doubt that you would have the attention span to handle that book, either.

  • earljr1

    acameronw, the last time Joe attacked Charles, april came back with a real nasty comment on Charles rising from his wheelchair saying ” MEIN FUHRER, I can walk.” this was totally tasteless and absurdly stupid. This mindset is representative of many on this blog and is a sad reflection of the bitterness these people feel. If this is what being progressive is all about, then thank God they represent less than 20% of our population.

  • groenhagen2

    megatronrises:

    “So you’re saying the overwhelming majority of Americans that voted the guy in and gave him a mandate to enact his policy plan isn’t “serious”? What do you mean by “serious” anyway?”

    Just because someone is elected does not mean he has a mandate to act against the will of the people from the day he is sworn in forward. Remember, Hitler was elected.

    Look in the mirror. When I say “serious,” I’m not referring to people like you.

  • groenhagen2

    “Drudge’s headline would be stupid even if it really were “Obama’s” $100 bill. But the redesign was originally slated for 2008:”

    You have to put this in the same category as the moonbats who claimed Bush gave the Taliban $43 million before 9/11 when it was actually the Clinton admin that began the humanitarian aid to Afghan refugees.

  • maverick2k9

    Joe, To be fair, many of the commentators (including me) did compliment your great reporting on Afghanistan.
    .
    But, like me, they did it on other blog posts, mainly because wingnuts tend to ignore articles that seem to diminish their “cause”. And many of us feel need to confront the wingnuts and explain to them, the distinction between armchair talk show hosts and real journalists.

  • acameronw

    earljr: I wasn’t aware of the history re: april, you and Krauthammer. Had I been aware, I would have taken her to task instead of you. I don’t condone that sort of tasteless cruelty from the right or the left. So an apology to you for my lack of background info. (Doesn’t change my take on Krauthammer’s opinions, especially viz war with Iran. And for God’s sake, april, don’t drag Dr. Strangelove, on of my all time favorite movies, into a p***ing match with the conservatives.)

  • maverick2k9

    Frankly, if I want to read about Afghanistan, there are writers who know far more and are more rational than you.
    – Groanhagen2

    .
    ..writers such as? Rushbo, Bleck, Shannity?
    .
    Groan, You still haven’t responded to my earlier comments about Rushbo’s report from Afghanistan and how it contrasts with the one that Joe has made.
    .
    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential/rush_reports_back_from_afghanistan/what_he_saw_on_day_one.guest.html
    .

    RUSH: Well, Mary Matalin and I flew to Dubai on Saturday morning, and we watched 16 episodes of the first season of the TV show “24″ on the plane

    .
    Riiiight…

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    There is also an emblem–a new design for some agency (sorry I’m at work right now and can’t pin down the name the agency). Anyway, this design resembles the Obama campaign emblem. And many conservatives have had a fit over it. What they didn’t know at the time, but was since reveled is that the design was done years ago, the release was just held up.

  • sacredh

    I took apr2563′s comment as nothing more than it was meant to be. Satire. The threads descend into tastelessness more often than not. Thank God for the diversions. Trollery and troll baiting rule the threads. It’s been like that since the election.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    groenhagen2,
    .
    “No insecurity on my part. I’m not hiding behind a pseudonym like apr2563.”
    .
    It’s not that she is insecure, she just doesn’t want a psychopath contacting her house or her work as you claim to have contacted my work. (Unless you did it often and it doesn’t go into his spam, it would be ignored. If it happens often enough, my company will ask me to file charges against you.)
    .
    Tell us your first name and workplace as I have shared what I have shared if not doing so is a sign of being “insecure”.
    .
    I can’t believe that you have not been removed from the Swamp, but, if I get any more from you I will press charges and in jail we’ll find out how macho you are when your in there.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    First, I did tell you that I was trained on a job by a former Marine. He was in Beirut and he said then that the spirit of the men was broken because Reagan was such a coward.
    .
    Second, you told me that you were stationed in two different places in Okinawa, Japan.
    .
    You never served in the Marines. You never did most of the things you said you did.
    .
    You are mentally unstable man who has issues with his masculinity.
    .
    You found my picture at my company website (which is not where you crossed the line) and then tried to claim that I looked effeminate in that picture.
    .
    I look at that picture and see a 46 year old Republican running for congress. I almost have to remind myself that I am a 39 year old Democrat when I see that shot.
    .
    You are a pathological liar.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Joe,
    .
    I think you know this.
    .
    If it’s news and non-controversial, facts, there isn’t much to say.
    .
    If it is borderline moronic and about the political divide in America, everybody comments.

  • Art Pepper

    The real problem I have with the Drudge headline is that it’s boring, as far as Republican conspiracy theories go.

    We’ve had FEMA camps, death panels, implanted microchips, the IRS army, and secret Muslim logos.

    A $100 bill that looks like a Euro? Meh.

    Step up your game, Drudge!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    acameronw,
    .
    Here is a link to what you were bringing up:
    .

    .
    Rebels without a clue: very upset about something, they just have no idea what it is.

  • theotherjimmyolson

    We are now deep in bullsheet territory.

  • theotherjimmyolson

    He said the magic word,”moron”. You lose.

  • shepherdwong

    “You are a pathological liar.
    .
    Yes, that sounds about right.

    Osama bin Laden, for one, took notice. In a 1996 fatwa, bin Laden cited the Beirut Marine barracks bombing in making his case that America was a paper tiger whose leaders talked tough but would withdraw at the first sight of casualties.

    Go somewhere else, groenhagen2.
    .
    http://spectator.org/archives/2007/04/18/anatomy-of-a-withdrawal

  • talker2828

    That nuts like Joe Klein are on Time’s payroll is the primary reason I stopped subscribing to this rag years ago. Time Mag Publisher: “When will you get a clue?”

  • beckychr007

    This is quite an incredible essay. I hoped we would never have to pull out the old tired “delusional syndrome”–but my gawd is it ever back.

    Out of Drudge’s (and Matt Drudge is not really a teabagger) two word review—Klein was build up all this?????

    It can only be Tea Party Delusional Syndrome

  • http://chris22683.wordpress.com chris22683

    Is this a joke on Klein’s part? He starts by saying the drudge report said it looks like European and uses a bloomberg quote to describe it. He then concludes that saying a bill looks European means conservatives think its a step towards socialism? Does the drudge report say that? Or s he just making off the wall “know nothing” conclusions? Saying a bill looks like the already established currency of Europe is nothing more than noticing similarities. No hidden meaning that its a socialist bill. Its just a bill that looks like another. Im white, if you call me a white person that means I’m white, not a racist or anything else. End of story. Klein is really stretching on this one to warp a factual observation into something it is not. I havent read the drudge report but if Klein wants to have any ground to stand on about us being the “know nothing” group when he makes acusations using the drudge report about a bill that looks European = socialism he should have quoted off the drudge report that said this. Regardless of right or left as this article stands it is worthless as its only source is a bloomberg quote describing the bill, which description sounds like it looks similiar to a European bill. That doesnt mean it is a socialist bill, didnt even know an ideal could have its own bill.

  • http://chris22683.wordpress.com chris22683

    “Ben Franklin–one of our most secular humanist playboy founders”

    HAHAH nice progressive revisionist history, or better yet a straight out line! A secular person would not ask if during the Constitutional convention they should bring in a clergyman to pray for their deliberations.

  • edbsaojemtp

    You might be a redneck if……You can’t deal with a Black Man being more educated and more concerned with ethics and mankind than your forefathers.

  • e260aaw

    Socialism vs. Capitalism, Democrat vs. Republican, liberal vs. conservative. It all means one thing. Division amongst the masses. The media hypes it because its “news”. It’s all you see and hear anymore. TV, radio, newspapers, magazines, internet. It’s everywhere. Guess what happens while all of you can’t stop point fingers at each other. The worthless folks we all voted into office, and I mean all of them. Congress, the President, and most of the State’s governments as well, are doing whatever they please because the people can’t stand together. Who here can say they whole heartedly think that the government is spending your tax dollars wisely? Who here thinks that the government is making good choices on your behalf? Honestly? I bet it’s not anywhere near 44%.

  • e260aaw

    Guess what? They are your forefathers too! I have no problem with a black man being more educated and more concerned with ethics and mankind than OUR forefathers. But what does black have to do with it? Somehow folks seem to think that skin color has a direct impact on intelligence or lack of. Funny how that always seems to be implied from both sides of the color spectrum. I guess racism is a two way street. What a shame. See my comments below about divisiveness. The same applies to race. Isnt it about time we all get along. I don’t think any of us are going anywhere, so we may as well get used to it.

  • vintel7

    So what? Even if it was Obama’s image on the bill…President Obama deserves it. His legislative achievments at this point in his presidency (16mths) far surpass any previous US President. The Tea Parties and other populist groups are adult wounded children. That’s right. Google “adult wounded child” and you will see that the populist Tea Parties and republicans fit this description. The disease within them (the human condition) causes them to project, be paranoid, feel an intense sense of alienation and victimhood, and to project qualities onto Obama that simply are not true or real. So anything and everything the Tea Party parnoids say is suspect and is probablt not true. Have you ever fact checked republican or tea party claims? Do so next time you read an article. You will see that republicans and tea partiers are always telling lies. They are so mentally ill that they beleive their own lies. They beleive their own propaganda scripts. Like the recent meme that republicans are ascendant and will win big in November. It simply is not true. President Obama is polling 53-55% and the repubs are still mired in 22% territory, like they were under Bush.

  • bushpoverty

    That’s right Republicons, turn in your guns, pay your now mandatory annual Green Peace dues, put on your anti war T Shirts, hug a gay person, Go Green, recycle your Bible and replace with your new savior Al Franken’s books, join the fight for more public assistance programs with your generous donations, block FOX News Channel from your TV, tell your children you are wrong about most of what you have taught them up to this point, apologize to Keith Olbermann, Al Gore, Bill and Hillary and all others you insult with your lies and smears and pay your taxes in full with those brand new Liberal Socialist $100 bills, it’s all over now..

  • m91dragoon

    So, something is written in a blog it must be true! A couple of lines from multiple sources and draws an anti-liberal, anti-Obama theme and you “higher than thou” idiots suck it up faster than you can type. Your wing nuts! Your wing nuts! We won! We won! You are so proud of electing a half black, no experienced, non qualified person who DOES NOT belief in the Constitution of the United States. You have to revel in fake stories to make you feel better about your selves. It must be very hard to find blame for everything in others and never take responsibility.

  • intelagents

    Simply put, DRUDGE has exposed himself as the WWE of internet news outlets.

  • intelagents

    Did you even read the article? Every word you typed suggests that you didn’t. It also suggests that you need to proofread a LOT more.

  • intelagents

    C’mon… enough of the race-baiting. What are we, in 5th grade? Or, are you NOT smarter than that?

    Libs, Cons, Mods, it doesn’t matter. We are all Americans.

    I’ll still go out of my way to help my conservative neighbors who covered their yard in McCain/Palin placards. I’ll still grill out with my NRA buds. I’ll still put high-octane in my Escalade while upgrading my house with Alt-Energy, and supporting our president – President Obama.

    I guess I’m a walking contradiction – but I’d rather get along with my fellow countrymen than verbally sparring over media-created drivel disguised as “politics”.

  • http://chris22683.wordpress.com chris22683

    Last I checked Republicans were running against members of congress not Obama. His popularity might be 53% but the peoples aproval of Congress is much lower. Generally if you arent happy with Congress you replace the party in power. Not to say they will over take Dems and be a majority but you seem to be living in a dream world and think Dems wont have a tough fight in November because of Obama’s ratings. And just because Republican Party affiliation has sunk doesnt mean the Dems has gained, its just means the republicans lost their way a long time ago and people are paying attention now and realize they do not have conservative values.

  • oizydoizy

    Tom Tancredo on the $100 bill…Joe, you made me spit coffee on my monitor.

  • ak331

    Yes the people who approve of his performance are the following and which mind you do not include the voters.

    They are as follows:

    Time magazine with Joe Klein as the cheer leader, MSNBC crew with Chris Matthew who gets tingling feeling up his leg (I hate to elaborate further), The grey Lady, Democratic party, but i will not include moveon, american for progress, white house staff including White house bob ( he reminds me of Baghdad bob during invasion of Iraq ).

    Did i leave anybody out and if I did I am sorry for omission of those people.

  • http://newyorkliberalstateofmind.wordpress.com Robert

    So many more important things to talk about, but instead we get in a barroom brawl over more secure $100 bills? Crazy.

    Think financial reform:

    http://nyliberalstateofmind.blogspot.com/2010/04/financial-fire-next-time.html

  • willy55

    It does look European. Maybe you should loosen your panties a bit. Sheesh.

  • amerrealist

    All those that claim how “unpopular” Obama is, he beats every Republican candidate if election were held today by 8-15% so the Republicans must be especially unpopular. And for all the ‘baggers, he beats Palin (55% Obama to 42% Palin), so the Republicans have much larger problems than the Dems! We voted for change, and we’re getting it!!!

  • amerrealist

    It’s funny how he beats all potential GOP candidates in 2012 by 8-13%, and clobbers Palin, beating her 55% to 42%. I guess these weren’t real voters, right? Or only people who like him and are journalists, therefore not Faux News personalities?

  • amerrealist

    Jefferson didn’t believe in Jesus’ divinity and considered himself a deist, so was Washington, and Adams wrote disparagingly of religion. Most of the founders were deists, not Christians. In all founding documents there is not one mention of God, Jesus, or Christianity, just “creator” that could be another God, or an animal for that matter. Did they just forget to make us a Christian nation? No, they intentionally avoided making us a Christian nation!

  • amerrealist

    As Reagan would say, “there you go again”,clouding the issue with facts.

  • sacceo

    I read the Drudge link to see what all the noise was. The Drudge connection between the new bill and socialism was tenuous and asinine. It was only an opinion.

    Joe Klein’s rant (despite his impressive credentials) was asinine. It was only an opinion.

    I’ve seen more civil behavior on an elementary school playground. Apparently this personal fight has been ongoing.

    Quit the name calling, stick to the facts, make your arguments. Criticize opinions, not people. Grow up. The political process is at stake. You know the political process. That is when you go to the polls, and turn opinion into fact.

  • lbjack

    Groenhagen, why don’t you come out from behind the code words and say what you mean: effete Jew. In fact, there are lots of code words being bandied about midst in reference to Obama, by Tea Partiers and other white trash mobs enraged at being told what to do, not just by a Democrat, not just by a liberal, but by a…negro.

    Joe’s ridicule of one of NASCAR America’s sacred cows, the Drudge Report, is met with cries of lèse majésté! Well, not exactly, since such a term wouldn’t be a part of the typical Drudge fan’s lexicon. Let’s just say that the fans take what Drudge and his ilk feed them very, very seriously, and react to ridicule like the Muslim mobs react to the Danish cartoons.

    The historical arc of journalism has paralleles that of television. As accessibility to TV and information has widened, the quality of both has deteriorated.

    No, Joe, “we just give ‘em want they want” is a sorry excuse. It’s glib, it’s cynical, it’s disingenuous, and it’s why your profession is beneath contempt. But the boobocracy buys it, and that’s all that matters to you.

  • Ike Jakson

    Joe

    You quote:

    “which means it must be a precursor of socialism. That Obama is one sneaky crypto-muslim.”

    And:

    “I mean, isn’t it, like, suspicious that Obama would want this Christian Nation to continue to feature someone as insidious as Franklin on its $100 bill?”

    Where did anyone day that?” Or are you getting paranoiac about Massachusetts?

    Tut tut.

  • Ike Jakson

    Thanks for your support sacceo

  • http://chris22683.wordpress.com chris22683

    Funny how he beats all GOP candidates in 2012? Awesome, you got a time machine to know how the elections went in 2012!

  • http://chris22683.wordpress.com chris22683

    nicely said.

  • http://theoldprof.wordpress.com theoldprof

    This would be side-splitting funny if I didn’t have friends (some from grade school onward) who believe any and everything they read on the net — as long as it is conspiratorial and is linked to some dastardly deed either done or being contemplated by Barak Obama.

    Some of these folks I’ve known for more than half a century, and I cannot recall exactly where their wagons dropped those bricks now missing from the load. I keep thinking they will eventually wink at me, grin and say “gotcha.” But I admit discouragement when I realize they are saying “you betcha’” — not “gotcha.”

    To paraphrase Gen. Washington’s comment to his officers when he squelched the pending pay revolt — I have grown not only grey but deaf waiting to hear those words “just teasing you.” It is almost frightening to realize you are surrounded by so many delusional, paranoid people.

    By the way, had you heard that Obama is, in fact, a real “Manchurian candidate” planted in Kansas at the age of two by the Kenyan secret service? (I guess if you can’t convert them, might as well join them.)

  • http://theoldprof.wordpress.com theoldprof

    I don’t know how solid your understanding of history really is, but can you explain to me the relevance of Woodrow Wilson’s well-known racism to your point? Although come to think of it, can you explain to me exactly what point you are attempting to make?

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Oh, for gosh sakes. “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” is an allusion, and quite a funny one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihKq34Ozc
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    “There would be no shocking memories, and the prevailing emotion will be one of nostalgia for those left behind, combined with a spirit of bold curiosity for the adventure ahead!”
    -
    That may as well be Krauthammer’s motto.

  • http://brooklynreader.wordpress.com brooklynreader

    As 0.05% of Americans, not including me, have ever seen a Euro note, what’s the difference what the new hundred looks like?

    Who’s the obnoxious elites now, eh, Drudge?

  • jtoo

    joe Klien – Your first sentence is proof positive that you are an elitist, pig, your supposed intellect is superior to all who hold an opposing view. Just re-read your own drivel: “The anti-Obama forces, it seems clear, are rooted in classic American know-nothing populism–nativist, isolationist, paranoid.”

    You, and a lot of your liberal self acknowledged brighter than thow kindred, do not take seriously the anger, (not violence) the American people as a whole, and the conservative’s in particular have aimed at the Gov’t and the main stream media, precisely because of this kind of dismissive attitude.

    Come November, you all will be able to cry and protest again, ( you remember the most patriotic forms of dissent…)
    Jtoo

  • ghep

    Wow, Klein, put words in people’s mouths much?

  • cia2u

    groenhagen2
    must not have been hugged as a child comer lil lost thing ill give ya sumpinz
    k next point all reps i have ever met are by far and wide blind to anything honest or good for people they will defend bad things and claim god said or dems are so ans so tbh reps are never to be trusted look at sarah rush beck and the list goes on why did gas triple under bush why did they both hide from war yet send our kids to die gee bill was a bad guy he got a bj sanford must be a saint for leaving the country to get it on while the family let alone the state were a after thought reagan was the second worst prezz do you not remeber how he tryed to deport a guy that spoke his mind reps have so many double standards its insane and well i sure hope next time i goto a airport bathroom one dont try to pick me up dick shot a judges face off and made the judge say sorry
    then a day later talked to cops after the alc was out of his blood outed a cia op also nadda bush well there were many things to impeach for but nadda again min wage is far to low to thats reps doing as well the usd dropped like a rock and the euro went way past another bushy deal when tommy joined bush he left wi broke and the next rep guy stole the smoker settlement cash to cover the bad plan he and tommy had sad rly oh yes i can go on and on but i am sure you get my point and see how i feel about rep things nope there not people they are things more like a zombie to me as they dont ever try to work with the other side they want thier way alone

  • brokenpcb

    After reading the opinions expressed on here, I have one question…….When did the Huffington Press buy the times magazine???????? left wing quacks……

  • http://louistchertoff.wordpress.com/ LT

    In spite of all the fantastic advantages it brings to global business and the population in general, the internet is also a dangerous media tool that puts the power of global communication into the hands of every crackpot in any corner of the planet who has access to a web-connected computer.

  • tiredoftherhetoric

    I, for one, am a conservative Christian and I am tired of the bashing that we continually receive. I do not know whether or not Benjamin Franklin was a Christian, however, he did make this statement on June 28, 1787 as recorded by James Madison:

    “I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that “except the Lord build the House they labour in vain that build it.” I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing Governments by Human wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.”

  • groenhagen2
  • lbdumont

    I’m not sure a successful third party could rise within our existing structure. Two private organizations, namely the Democratic & Republican parties, have insinuated themselves into the fabric of government. They have entered into any number of unholy deals to grease the skids for their own ballot access and gerrymander districts to reduce the number of truly competitive seats. At the same time they have erected numerous hurdles designed to obstruct ballot access for any other private entities.

    I’d like to see a level playing field where anyone running for office would have to run the same obstacle course. I see no good at all in our current system of subsidizing the activities of two chosen parties to the detriment of any others. As an independent, I despise the notion that tax dollars are used to support the party primary system for ‘the chosen two’ while independent parties are subject to convoluted ballot access procedures. It looks a whole lot like a significant 1st Amendment issue to me.

    In a truly republican system (note lower-case ‘r’), political parties would exist entirely outside of the government. In such a world the current Democratic and Republican parties might at several points have had the opportunity to collapse and been forced to reconstitute themselves, as happened with the Whigs in the mid 19th century.

    I suspect the republic would be better served if we had not decided our current political parties were ‘too big to fail’.

  • lbdumont

    Aw, those were child’s play. His coolest trick was going backwards in time to plant false birth announcements in local Hawaiian papers in 1961.

  • martianroom

    This is absurd. Have you ever noticed the generational differences between people under 45 or 50 and people younger than that when it comes to handling cash? I’m 35 and 99% of the time my wallet is just full of receipts from using my bank card. Most people I know have either no cash in their wallets or maybe a $20. Physical cash is less relevant now than ever.

  • tpdcath

    Ohhhh . . . so now we must only engage in “rational” discourse . . . just like when GWB was Prez . . . right?

  • lbdumont

    “Reagan’s deal with Congress was that there would be three dollars in spending cuts for every dollar in tax cuts. Congressional Democrats reneged on that deal.”

    With Reagan’s complicity; at no point did The Blue Team hold a 2/3 majority in Congress. Reagan could have vetoed any bill that did not meet the standard of that agreement. He chose not to.

    “Reagan did not raise taxes on the poor and middle class. Taxes were reduced for all income levels.”

    That was sort of true in 1981, when Reagan gave us ‘the biggest tax cut in American history”. “Sort of”, because the poor & middle class did get a pittance while the wealthy won the lottery. (I remember looking at my paystubs back then and marvelling at Reagan’s bargain-basement beatification.) Of course a year later we were treated to the largest tax increase in American history. That one was aimed right at the middle class and pretty much left the wealthy unscathed. On the whole, Reagan reduced taxes on the wealthy, raised taxes on the middle class and gutted the safety net for the poor.

    Half-truths are more despicable than outright lies.

  • watney

    All this and sedition too. Mr. Klein is decompensating. Sad.

  • serraque

    Powerlineblog as a source? Really? Three lawyers sucking the marrow out of society. A triumvirate of Dartmouth “liberals” that use a newly-hatched Dartmouth Alum conservative troll as their “publisher of sorts, managing its business affairs and development team”. Just am amazing source of balanced pervue. Bravo and touché oh trollerific groenhagen2.

    Could “we” (fair and balanced readers – before “fair and balanced” was bastardized by F@&) all just ignore groenhagen on every blog/board/commentary? As with other self-sourcing mouthpieces like Beck (actually, all of F@&), TeaParty, RevolutionMuslim, et al : if they are not given air time they can’t propagate. They are the cancer of intelligent society. Cut them off.

  • serraque

    If the same kind of anti-government vitrol and degrogatory presidential rhetoric that is floating about and on F@& News(not) were directed at GWB, that commentary would be flamed as anti-patriotic, terrorist-based, and endangering our President’s credibility abroad and support of our troops at war.

    “Conservatives”, you are now co-opting the “Liberal’s” bumper sticker: Questioning the Government is Patriotic.

    How about some Progressive Patriotism.

  • serraque

    You meant Bernie Goldberg? Glenn Beck? I could go on but you get the drift.

  • segodnya

    Actually this reply is a reply to one of your replies:
    19.1
    An irrational (inculcated?) fear of “government that tells you where to go, what to do and how to do it all the time.”?

    Right, entirely irrational and artificially inculcated. Effective today, the Right will shut up about an over-reaching and intrusive federal government. Oh, and, we won’t be hearing any more from the Left about illegal NSA domestic spying, indefinite incarceration without trial, extraordinary rendition, the PATRIOT Act, waterboarding, secret prisons, various spiritual violations of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments, fascist immigration laws in Arizona, lack of social justice promulgated by a capitalist government superstructure, etc., etc., etc., right?

    By the way, The Left is thoroughly justified in complaining about those things with bullhorns from the rooftops . . . my point is that they complain just as loud and long about government interference in freedom as any other group does. In fact, both Right and Left take their cues from the opposing side, then adapt the tactics to suit them. E. g., demonization and salami tactics viz so-called “partial birth abortion” and so-called “semi-automatic assault weapons.” We spend so much time arguing with each other about these egregious infringements that we fail to confront the real enemy: an out of control federal government, which is joined at the shoelaces with an out of control corporate structure. Together, they are killing the republic. And us.

  • western1

    This qualifies as one of the top most inane articles yet posted here. The purpose is to take some similarity to the Euro and use that to launch a sniviling, sideways assault on conservative thought.

    For that matter, you don’t have to be a conservative to be against Obama’s ruinous policies. I used to be a democrat until he was in office a while.

  • http://www.kriskarrel.com writeratlarge

    Wow, a “know-nothing” elitist on “Know-Nothing Watch.”

    There’s a scary visual, all by itself. LOL I feel sooooo much safer now.

    Must be a bona-fide member of the lamestream media suffering from a nosebleed in that ivory tower in which he’s ensconced.

    Joe Klein must be really, really, really scared of all the People in this country who don’t happen to agree with his messiah.

    Maybe Joe can enlighten us further with more definitions from his napkin-prompter.

    Perhaps Joe should take a trip out of New York sometime, see the rest of the country, rub shoulders with everyone he considers less important than himself, even backpack into the Rockies to get in touch with his inner-Joe. Oh, sorry, whatever would Joe do without a real flush toilet or a fancy ceiling over his head or a subservient waiter to bring him dinner or some other convenient “enemy” to look down his nose upon or denigrate?

    What a snob. Can’t find a single original idea to write about so he preys upon other writers to promote his messiah’s propaganda.

    And Time wonders why it’s losing readers? LOL Give me a break.

  • vegaslad

    You have NO IDEA what any of the Tea Party members want. We are much more interested in stopping the wasting of TRILLIONS of dollars (that your kids, grandkids, and mine will have to pay back) then “just low taxes”. We are NOT RACISTS…..I have as many friends ‘of color’ as white ones. We don’t care what color Obama is (just that he is wreaking our country), and NOT BIGIOTS.

    Although there are some nuts in the Tea Party, just like there are in any group. Stop trying to belittle and slander others because you disagree with them, when you have NO IDEA what they are for, unless you count what you heard on CNN or comedy central’s jon stewart.

    You, on the other hand, are a tool, and a bootlicker. You might take your eyes off the canned BS from the teleprompter, and look at the damage that a crooked Congress and Senate have done to our country, in a year….and they have just started.

    I am sure you have heard about tax and spend. In this case, you have seen the SPEND (mostly to wall street and their friends), soon the TAX part will kick in.

    I am sure you believe every BS campaign promise that your taxes aren’t going up. Grow up. That was and is a lie, and the tax increases needed to continue all this new wastfull spending are going to raise everyones taxes more then you can imagine. I expect many of them will be labeled “fees” (like the VAT tax).

    I don’t mind paying taxes to fund things our great Country needs. I just dislike flushing Trillions of dollars down the toilet on nothing that has helped a single person from main street. Let Wall Street pay for their greed and mistakes, and if a few banks need to go out of business, *uck ‘em.

  • sailhardy

    Joe Klein thinks his political adversaries are Know Nothings, and proves it by calling them a name, Know Nothing. Duh, Joe, ummmm, what do you know?

  • jymallyn

    oldprof,

    The danger in joking that “Obama is, in fact, a real “Manchurian candidate” planted in Kansas at the age of two” is that the ConservaNuts are so obsessed with all things anti-Obama that they likely will not get the joke and take your comment on face value.

    I USED to be a Republican (40 years) and thought I was “conservative” until I heard the lies and stupidity coming out of the mouths and pens of people who claim that
    THEY are “Conservatives.”

    “Conservatism” used to mean responsible and respectful and working within our system of government to improve it. (I am also a former Army Reserve officer and Scoutmaster.)

    Instead “Conservatism” has become slander, fear, and innuendo fueled by demagogues who are certified as being irresponsible.

    Do the ConservaNuts not realize that Glen Beck is an alcoholic. Or that Limbaugh had an addiction to pain killers? Or that Dick Morris’ real hostility against the Clintons was from his being fired when he was caught in a motel with a prostitute? Or Pat Buchanan’s addiction to gambling? Or O’Reilly’s ego-mania?

    I remember once being told that you can judge someone by their critics. Part of the fear of “Obama-maina” is that people believe the lies and innuendo of Obama’s critics. If these are the critics of Obama, then we are blessed to have such a competent President.

    My favorite critic, however is Rod Bogoyevitch who blatantly said, “F*ck Obama” which probably speaks to Obama’s competence and credibility than anyone else.

    As to another benchmark or our President’s competency and credibility, would you, or could you, live with YOUR mother-in-law.

    With patience (and God’s help) the Obama critics will drown and disappear in their own bile.

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