With Financial Reform, What Becomes Of New York?

There is a regional subplot playing out in the debate for financial reform. Here are some clues: White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel just flew up to New York to meet with investors. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell spent part of his recess meeting with big financiers in New York. President Obama will head Thursday to New York to address Wall Street. See a pattern?

A few weeks back, I asked Sen. Ted Kaufman, a Democrat from Delaware, whether he had received any blow back from the banking community in his home state for his advocacy of a new law to break up big banks. “Remember most of the people who work for the banks in Delaware they are not involved in any of the things that went on,” he explained. “None of the banks in Delaware did Credit Default Swaps. None of the banks in Delaware did any kind of derivatives.” Then he continued with an observation that still defines the landscape.

After September 11, I found, traveling around the country as time went on, how much September 11 impacted people, especially after a month or two months, was directly related to how far they were New York. September 11 had been an incredible experience for people in New York. On [the financial collapse], it’s just the opposite. If you are in New York it’s all, “This is just populism. It’s pitchforks in the streets and all the bad guys are gone. Not to worry.” And you go to L.A. and people are screaming.

It’s not that much of a stretch to say that financial reform in the U.S. is to a large extent New York reform. (London will take its hit from the E.U.; Connecticut may will take a bit of a hit too.) Almost all of the big banks and financial firms are either based in New York, or conduct a major share of their business in New York. So what will become of New York? Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who made billions in the private sector servicing the New York financiers, was warning as far back as January that attempts to improve regulation of Wall Street could lead to lost profits, lost tax revenue and layoffs. On Monday, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs was asked by a New York newspaper, “What do you say to criticism that financial reforms actually could hurt the local economy in New York City?”

He answered by saying that financial crises are not good for New York either. But I am pretty sure this is not the whole story. Financial reform, done right, should lead, at least in the short term, to less profits and less leverage at big Wall Street banks. This is good for the system, as these two charts, from Simon Johnson and James Kwak’s new book, 13 Bankers, suggest:

In other words, there is a national interest in bringing New York down a peg. All this said, I don’t for a minute think that financial regulatory reforms of big Wall Street banks will do any serious long-term damage to New York, even if it does return the banking sector to more normal levels of profitability. Maybe a few less bottle-service clubs. Maybe some empty tables at the hottest restaurants. But New York is far too complex an organism, overflowing with ambition and know-how, to go the way of derivatives trading bonuses. As Alicia Keys belts it on Jay-Z’s Empire State of Mind, “No place in the world that could compare.” That ain’t gonna change.

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  • destor23

    The vast majority of New Yorkers, including New York City denizens, were victimized by the financial chicanery. It wasn’t out of towners standing outside the stock exchange with signs telling the MFers to jump.

    While its true that big Wall St bonuses lead to big payoffs for the city and state tax authorities it’s also true that Wall Street has entirely skewed living in NY. Wall Street jobs account for a small number of the jobs available in the city but a huge percentage of total wages.

    That’s one of the reasons why it’s impossible to find reasonable rent in Manhattan and why working people are priced out of nice restaurants and cultural events, not to mention private schools, daycare and the like. When so much of the available income of the city goes to so few people they can inflate the prices of luxuries so as to put the good life out of reach of so many.

    Our out of touch mayor might want to preserve the status quo but New Yorkers by and large know better.

  • michaelfury
  • nflfoghorn

    The King of NY sits upon his throne….

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    As a Detroit commenter, all I can say is welcome to the party NYC. Yes it does hurt when your biggest sector has to take a hit for the greater common good. Please spare us the whining, though. At least your economy is more varied and can absorb it better. Of course I sympathize with those in the trenches who lose their jobs. They may share some of the blame, but we know they’ll take more than their share of the punishment.

  • stuartzechman

    Wow:

    there is a national interest in bringing New York down a peg

    Way to set Americans against each other, Michael Scherer.
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    How irresponsible of a statement is that?
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    If you’d like to say that ordinary folks from around the country possess (reasonably or stupidly) antipathy toward financial elites based in Manhattan, describe away.
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    If you’re going to define those jerkoffs who work(ed) in and own(ed) downtown as “New York,” and then presuppose that their interests are somehow inextricable from the rest of ours (my fellow New Yorkers are already laughing), you’re doing the debate a disservice.
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    As destor23 so rightly points out, “Wall Street” is not “New York,” as we Manhattanites are acutely aware. These people and their institutions are greatly responsible for the wildly irregular hacienda economy effects on the cost of living in Manhattan. We’d be just as happy to have their gilded age come to an end, and for them to be ordinary, regular supremely-affluent people again.
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    There is no “national interest” in screwing New York. The moneys represented by your charts were always unsustainable and undeserved (except in Larry Summers’ theoretical world). There is a national interest in curtailing the power of elites –financial, industrial, state and even the institutions of the press.
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    I suggest you rephrase that thought, Michael Scherer, with an eye toward diminishing pointless and unsubstantial conflict.

  • kbanginmotown

    Amen, Brother!

  • freeinpa

    SZ:

    Glad to see you back!

    “there is a national interest in bringing New York down a peg”

    I agree with the tenets of what you say. I also believe the above quote, which has gone unspoken is the heart and soul of what this administration believes. The thought doesn’t end at NY and Wall Street but extends to most corporations as it was shown during the HC debate

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer

    I obviously agree with the distinctions you make here. I am not going after the Schwarma guys, or the soup nazi, or whatever. But I think it’s pretty clear what I am talking about in the post above. If you reduce the big banker bonuses, there is going to be some collateral damage in the places where that money used to be spent. That is how I use New York, the same shorthand that Bloomberg employed. I am, in fact, a huge fan of New York, America’s greatest city, which is a difficult thing for a San Francisco native to say.

    Instead of Jay-Z, i could have ended with Whitman, from Crossing Brooklyn Ferry:

    Flow on, river! flow with the flood-tide, and ebb with the ebb-tide!
    Frolic on, crested and scallop-edg’d waves!
    Gorgeous clouds of the sun-set! drench with your splendor me, or the men and women generations after me;
    Cross from shore to shore, countless crowds of passengers!
    Stand up, tall masts of Mannahatta!—stand up, beautiful hills of Brooklyn!
    Throb, baffled and curious brain! throw out questions and answers!
    Suspend here and everywhere, eternal float of solution!
    Gaze, loving and thirsting eyes, in the house, or street, or public assembly!
    Sound out, voices of young men! loudly and musically call me by my nighest name!
    Live, old life! play the part that looks back on the actor or actress!
    Play the old role, the role that is great or small, according as one makes it!

    http://www.bartleby.com/142/86.html

  • gysgt213

    “In other words, there is a national interest in bringing New York down a peg.”
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    Really. There are Americans out here in the hinderlands that are concerned about bringing New York down a peg?
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    Because after all it was friggin New York State that has been doing some real investigations of the conduct of Wall Street which is the real problem. While the federal government and the national news media that have been tripping over themselves attempting to not see what the hell was going on.
    .
    But the bottom line is there is no national interest in bringing New York down a peg. Its in the national interest that New York thrives but it does so using sound business principles that don’t bring the entire nation down to its knees.

  • gysgt213

    Michael- Thanks for responding. You have always been pretty gracious about that. However, In today’s climate I share Stu’s concern that you might be pitting Americans againt each other and you should consider that when you write.

  • stuartzechman

    freeinpa:
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    Thanks so much for the greetings!
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    I’ve been hard at work recently, and haven’t checked in quite so often.
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    I think that the current Administration is A) politically opportunistic and B) committed to an political/economic ideology that is fundamentally opposed to both free market fundamentalism and an adversarial detente between state and industry/finance.
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    It’s not that they’re hostile toward corporate America –far, far from it– it’s that they’re hostile toward market fundamentalism, and see the (more) unregulated market as inimical to their “cooperative” ideals. Lest you get the wrong idea, I mean “cooperative” not in the co-op vs condo sense of the word, I mean fundamental cooperation between the state and the biggest market actors.
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    There’s also public relations in the mix. This time they’re looking to be perceived as going with main street populism instead of against it, as long as the Villagers know from their sources that it’s all just like a primary campaign, and they don’t really mean it. That’s why there’s no alarm bells going off in the Village, because they’re all aware that it’s merely a campaign, and not the portent of a truly adversarial state aligned with public interest.

  • stuartzechman

    Thanks so much for responding to commentary with inspiring clarification, Michael Scherer. It is greatly appreciated.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    New York is not a one horse town the way Boston has hospitals and universities and DC has government.
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    My job is finding businesses who want to move and look at the directory of any building in Manhattan and very, very few of them are tied to finance.
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    Yes, those firms do bring in the most money by far and if all of Wall Street went out of business completely New York would be struggling, but, New York is second to L.A. for television, movies, first in the country for live theatrical performances, has nearly all of the corporate headquarters for all of the major networks and has the largest tourism industry anywhere in the US.
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    A huge portion of small and mid sized businesses with offices and employees in New York are totally uninterested in the profits of Wall Street and, at best, are two or three degrees of separation from Wall Street.
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    Also, keep in mind that if the legislation increases transparency, in the long term the honest profits in finance will increase, not decrease.
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    Residential real estate in New York actually took an even larger hit from Bernie Madeoff than they did from the financial meltdown. So, the huge majority of New York residents and employees want to see some kind of reform.
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    Some liberal do not like New York because they think of Wall Street, especially Wall Street greed.
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    Many Conservatives hate New York because it is so liberal.
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    At the end of the day, New York City isn’t going to change from this and very few New Yorkers are cheering on Goldman Sachs after all of the things that happened lately.

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    The Indians get it back and whitey gets a refund on the $24 and trinkets it cost him.

  • freeinpa

    SZ:

    Sadly I agree!

  • nflfoghorn

    April 21, 2010
    at 11:33 am
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    Mark the date and time: Freep actually agreed with somebody!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “April 21, 2010
    at 11:33 am”
    .
    No, to be frank you’ll notice that when it comes to financial reform, Freeinpa and Newfreedomblog are just like Liberal Democrats. They are eager for reforms.
    .
    In theory – in theory only – the Tea Party should, also, be on our side.
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    Since they seem to going for the new right wing line that this is about endless bailouts and not reform, however, this is proof that the Tea Party is deeply in Wall Street’s pocket while, NYC is not.

  • http://funks2.wordpress.com Michael Funk

    Financial reform, schminancial reform. Nothing is going to dramatically change in New York because of the Dodd bill. Take a look at Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbins, proposed amendment to Dodd’s bill. In it, he proposes to set an interest rate ceiling of 36%, yes 36% on consumer loans. Yikes! Why such a high number. According to Durbin, he wanted to pick a high enough number that even the biggest banks (read New York banks) would not argue with it. Is this not bizarre?

    There is a very good story about this at:

    http://funks2.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/senator-richard-durbin-just-call-me-mr-perfect-36/

    At least I think that it’s good. I wrote it.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Whenever I evaluate any sort of transaction I always ask myself how it “adds value.” I’ve always had a soft spot for the Ag and Manufacturing sectors because the ways they ‘add value’ are obvious. In light of that, I have a great deal of difficulty understanding why Wall Street represents such a large segment of our economy. As far as i can tell, their entire MO is to extract value. P-luk made himself annoying around here by constantly referring to insurance compnies as parasites. Needless to say, a whole bunch of finance firms can be described in similar terms.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Have you ever looked at a ‘ rent-to-own’ website? They can and do make short term loans at the nominal rate of 900% APR.

  • nflfoghorn

    Yeah, but they want less government intrusion too. So what do they really want? To them it’s an either/or thing.

  • Andy from MA

    I don’t post comments very frequently here any more, but I needed to say this:

    There were a significant number of layoffs in the financial services arena in New York during 2007 and 2008.

    A lot of the financial services that was headquarted in NYC before 9/11 have moved to the Westchester Burbs and Connecticut. Most of the big hedge funds are in Greenwich, CT.

    Merrill Lynch is controlled out of Charlotte, NC (BoA)

    Yeah there is an impact to the NYC economy with wall street reform. But it’s overdue, it’s needed and New Yorkers will survive.

    I work in the health care sector and we had significant impacts to our budgets as a result of the financial crisis. I don’t see regulation, reform, or financial sanctions making things much worse.

    We already have entrenched, incompetent and corrupt state legislators, a lame duck Governor, and an unmanagable budget.

    What me worry?

  • grape_crush

    P-luk made himself annoying around here by constantly referring to insurance compnies as parasites.

    I thought it was the unrelenting PUMA-tude he displayed.

  • nflfoghorn

    “We already have an entrenched, incompetent and corrupt budget, lame duck state legislators, and an unmanagable Governor.

    “What me worry?”
    Andy from MA
    .
    Fixed it for you, if you’re referring to NY.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    A huge share of the hedge funds are in Greenwich, not NYC.
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    Venture capital (not a part of this reform, but very related to finance) is dominant in Boston, such as where Mittens Romney made his money.
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    Jersey City had really taken a big cut of the “Wall Street” firms.
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    Lower Manhattan where Wall Street is, actually, has many creative people and advertising firms with Manhattan’s big firms mostly in Mid-Town.
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    Good point Andy. It is easy to forget that NYC is not completely the center of the universe as both Rudy Giuliani and, years earlier, Bob Dylan said.
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    Greenwich is represented by Jim Himes, in favor of financial reform and, of course, Chris Dodd, hopefully turning over a new leaf and Joe Lieberman.
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    Boston has Steven Lynch, John Kerry and Scott Brown.
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    The only one I would worry about is Brown. But you would know more about him than I would.

    I don’t think that any constituency really is against this reform. If Wall Street wants a friend in congress, they’ll have to (and will) buy one.
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    I think that Wall Street will be heavily investing in Tea this election season.

  • jongwk

    Can someone remove this spammer, please?

  • jbaustian

    The big New York banks will end up profiting from whatever legislation goes to the floor of the Senate.
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    The losers will be the smaller banks, probably the major regional banks most of all. They do not have friends in the White House.

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