What’s in a Debate?

An excellent primer lies below from TIME’s London bureau chief, Catherine Mayer, of what to expect from Thursday night’s second ever debate of British prime ministerial candidates. The first debate catapulted Nick Clegg into newfound stardom – he’s even overtaken or tied Prime Minister Gordon Brown in some polls — so it’ll be interesting to see if Brown and, more importantly, Conservative candidate  David Cameron attack Clegg this time around, particularly on the Trident issue as Catherine notes below.

Watching President Barack Obama parry with congressional Republicans not long ago in Baltimore reminded me of the twenty-odd debates he had as a presidential wannabe with Hillary Clinton. When he began, arguably, he was quite green. But by the end, he learned lessons that have carried through his presidency. In the U.K., Prime Ministers often meet their opponents on the floor of Parliament for grilling sessions. But that does not make for the easy 30- or 15 second soundbyte that plays well with debate audiences at home.*Often, the more wonkish, like Obama, take time to adjust to the world of pithiness. The first debate, as Catherine noted, bordered on somnambulant. This time around the subject matter is more interesting at home and abroad (foreign affairs) and, as Catherine notes, the anchor will hopefully be livlier. We shall see if anyone has learned the dubious art of speaking in tv clips, as the British ask themselves: is speaking in soundbytes a defining quality of a leader? Sadly, in the U.S. it is.  

Tomorrow at 8pm British Summer Time millions of Britons will settle in front of their tellys to watch three men in suits try to knock lumps out of each other on questions of foreign policy. On this 90-minute talkfest, so many Brits now believe, hangs the outcome of the country’s May 6 election.
 
Expectations of the country’s first ever presidential-style TV debate between the leaders of the country’s three biggest parties on April 15 were much lower. Wise pundits scratched their heads over the question of whether these debates would impact on the campaign at all and opined well, yes, probably, but only at the margins. The pundits guessed that the U.K. debates, like more recent presidential clashes, would not produce a Bentsen moment. (The 1988 vice presidential debate memorably saw Lloyd Bentsen not just skewer his opponent, Dan Quayle, but vaporize him, after Quayle foolishly compared himself to JFK. “Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you’re no Jack Kennedy,” said Bentsen.)
 
The pundits were right. Admittedly there were some clangers. Most notably, Conservative David Cameron, usually the smoothest and most self assured of performers, appeared to bracket Iran and China, when he argued against his Liberal Democrat opponent Nick Clegg, who advocates scrapping the expensive replacement for Britain’s aging fleet of nuclear submarines. ‘Are we really happy to say that we’d give up our independent nuclear deterrent when we don’t know what is going to happen with Iran, we can’t be certain of the future in China?’ asked Cameron. The next day Britain’s (Labour) Foreign Secretary David Miliband issued a stinging, Bentsenesque rebuke, accusing Cameron of “appalling immaturity.” But during the debate itself, Cameron, Clegg and the Prime Minister Gordon Brown treated each other with politeness that bordered on servility when Brown spoke to Clegg, whose smaller party might potentially shore up a Labour minority government if the elections produce a hung parliament. (Note to U.K. election-geeks: the parties that prefer such a scenario to an outright win by the Tories now speak of a “balanced” rather than a “hung” parliament.)
 
But the pundits were also spectacularly wrong. The first debate proved a launchpad for the phenomenon known as Cleggmania that has seen the Liberal Democrats overtake Labour and in some polls even the Conservative frontrunners in popularity.
 
That’s why the second debate on April 22, this time moderated by one of Britain’s most acerbic and unyielding anchors, Adam Boulton, may pull in an even bigger crowd than the 9.4 million viewers who watched last week, despite being broadcast on the satellite channel Sky (it will also be shown in full, later in the evening, on the terrestrial channel BBC 2). At this very moment, Conservative and Labour spin doctors are searching for the material that could do for Clegg’s ambitions what Bentsen did for Quayle’s.

But the debate remains the key battleground. Cameron is likely to return to the subject of Trident – better prepared this time. Though four generals wrote to The Times in support of Clegg’s position on Britain’s nuclear deterrent, 53% of respondents to a newly published Royal United Services Institute survey of its members in the defense and security community argue that Trident must be renewed. Clegg’s pro-European views are also likely to come under attack. He’ll play what he hopes is a trump card, the Liberal Democrats’ opposition to the Iraq war.
 
Will this debate prove another game changer? No idea, but Jay and I will be providing some instant analysis after the broadcast.

Aye, there’s the rub. Quayle went on to become Vice President. Bentsen did not. Cameron, who has much more to lose than Brown (it’s much easier to envisage a Lib Dem alliance with Labour, and anyway the Tories still hope for an overall majority), has to hope that the vehicle that created Cleggmania can also kill it.
 
Even if the coming debate potentially has such deathly powers, parts of Britain’s print media are working to weaken Clegg in advance by attacking him on a subject that has hitherto worked in his favor: MPs’ expense claims. Here’s a piece by the Independent’s Ian Burrell describing the first skirmishes. A potentially more damaging story appears in tomorrow’s Daily Telegraph.

But the debate remains the key battleground. Cameron is likely to return to the subject of Trident – better prepared this time. Though four generals wrote to The Times in support of Clegg’s position on Britain’s nuclear deterrent, 53% of respondents to a newly published Royal United Services Institute survey of its members in the defense and security community argue that Trident must be renewed. Clegg’s pro-European views are also likely to come under attack. He’ll play what he hopes is a trump card, the Liberal Democrats’ opposition to the Iraq war.
 
Will this debate prove another game changer? No idea, but Jay and I will be providing some instant analysis after the broadcast.

*This teaches me to NOT weigh in on subjects about which I’m still learning. Catherine tells me that the Prime Minister’s questions are actually all about the soundbytes. I shall limit my observations tonight to simply those of a marooned American political correspondent in London watching from the outside. Abject apologies.

 

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  • deconstructiva

    Thanks, Jay. how are you new travel plans going? No doubt dealing with the airport counters NOW must be a royal pain in the ash. Does TIME have its own travel agent or do you book everything yourself and put it on the expense tab? Either way, come back soon. As for sound bites, Churchill was pretty d@mn good at them. Smart repartee (not just smart-assed) is high art.
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  • gwbc

    Sadly,, in the US, it is. So says JNSmall about debates in American elections. You might forget, JNSmall, but Obama was criticized for being too much like a University professor in the debates. You might also forget how John McCain used soundbites ( remember Joe the Plumber ) ., In case you haven’t noticed, Obama is the President.

  • deconstructiva

    …and Jay, I just read your British Airways game of chicken post, thanks (kudos to you too, Catherine). Please post it here with more thoughts. Is this causing a outrage there among the locals (why not open the airports sooner) or meh, the airports are open finally, to hell with Mt. Jindal’s eruption? Hopefully ships of tuna, pineapples, and flowers are now arriving.
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    (other posts by your swamp colleagues, such as lovely Kate’s Russian adoption fiasco have excellent swamp potential too so please don’t hold anything back from us. As you painfully know, we hold nothing back.)

  • abdullah69

    How is it that Americans can hold such a lack of understanding about the rest of the world? In the UK, every week, before TV, the Prime Minister goes into the pit and faces Question time that Michael Vick would salivate over. This is not the stage managed presentation of “You lie”, but a long held tradition of a government being held accountable, something Americans lost during the Bush years.

    British politicians learnt the merits of soundbites when Dick Nixon was still learning the merits of makeup. How the hell do you think they got through 1940?

    I guess the lesson to be learnt is that while Americans are so ignorant of what happens in the rest of the world then they should stop F**king with it.

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    I’m happy to say that I’ve never clicked on any of your links. Take your blog whoring somewhere else.

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  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “How is it that Americans can hold such a lack of understanding about the rest of the world?”
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    As evidenced by what, Skippy, a blog post at TIme? Why not make the slightest attempt to qualify your terms? You know, “most Americans,” “too many Americans” etc. Unless, of course, you’re merely striving for opportunities to malign 300 million people. In which case, have at it.
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    Do you/have you lived in America or is your understanding of its people courtesy of narrow little cuts of cyber pie and what appears on the telly?

  • http://www.twitter.com/jnsmall Jay Newton-Small

    apr2563,
    I have alerted the high sheriffs of the problems.

    deconstructiva,
    I shall post the Willie Walsh story today. I’m still in London – returning at the weekend.

    And abdullah69,
    I linked to the Prime Minister’s Qs, if you’d bothered to look at my links, and noted that fact in my post. Having watched many Qs, I can tell you they are not soundbyte-staged the way these debates have been. Also, I grew up in 10 countries over five continents — my mother’s British, my Dad Australian. And, yes, I’m still working to understand of “the rest of the world” – are you?
    JNS

  • kathy

    Prime Minister’s Question time is politics as i wished we could do it here. Especially painful to imagine GWB in that role, and it must have seemed so bizarre to Brits that we had a president who couldn’t have lasted 5 minutes in that environment.

    Live at 7am Eastern Wednesday on C-SPAN 2, and re-airs at 9:00pm Eastern Sunday on C-SPAN

  • kathy

    Clegg wiped the floor with the other two in the first debate, which mostly leaves me to question the wisdom of a 1 month campaign. Need a little more time for things to sort themselves out, as Jay points out happened in 2007/08 here.

  • cathmayer

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  • deconstructiva

    Catherine, thanks for this. If you couldn’t find chives or bacon bits for your baked potato, was that Clegg’s fault? Did he break up the Beatles and the Spice Girls? He probably introduced Kate Gosselin to the world too. And lost Obama’s and Trig Palin’s birth certificates.

  • apr2563

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