In the Arena

Krauthammer Pro-Proliferation?

Charles Krauthammer’s reflexive neoconservative wingnuttery can be hilariously petty sometimes–this week, for example, as he slags off on the President’s nuclear summit. Krauthammer is dismissive of the effort–he mocks the Canadian decision to send its spent highly enriched uranium to us for disposal. But what about Ukraine’s decision to do the same? One of the great post-cold war fears was that the shattered nations of the former Soviet bloc would not control their nuclear material adequately or sell it. Ukraine’s decision makes the world decidedly safer. This is what is known in the non-extremist world as progress. As is the START treaty with Russia, which Krauthammer also derides.

But the most interesting thing about the column is what is not mentioned: It became clear in the last week that Obama is making real progress in bringing both Russia and China along in its efforts to further sanction Iran for its refusal to comply with the non-proliferation treaty it signed. It now seems likely that these sanctions will be passed by the UN Security Council. This week’s conference has helped focus international attention on the issue, and made it harder for the Russians and Chinese to veto the sanctions resolution.

But, of course, I’m being naive. If Obama manages to win a new sanctions regime, Krauthammer et al will deride that as insufficient, too. The only move that will suffice is…bomb, bomb, bomb…bomb, bomb Iran. (A move that the U.S. military–those wusses–unanimously oppose.)

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  • nflfoghorn

    Channeling your inner McCain??

  • newfreedomblog

    “It became clear in the last week that Obama is making real progress in bringing both Russia and China along in its efforts to further sanction Iran for its refusal to comply with the non-proliferation treaty it signed.”

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    Help us out here Joe Klein. Please inform us, your avid readers, what exactly has the “efforts” to further sanction Iran for its refusal to comply with the non-proliferation treaty it signed got us?
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    Want to be a little more specific as to what we have gotten Russia and China to sign onto?
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    Oh that’s right, you can’t. They haven’t agreed to SQUAT. Nada. Nil. NOTHING.
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    Isn’t that right Mr Klein?

  • jbaustian

    Joe Klein, the arrangement with Ukraine could have been worked out with a few phonecalls from a State Department underling — it did not require a 47-nation international conference.
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    As for Russia and China, until they actually authorize an embargo or blockade of Iran, then they are not serious. Neither is the Obama administration. Krauthammer rexcognizes this, Klein does not.

  • 53_3

    You know Joe that whenever you do this, you invite the Kristolbots to swarm this way, don’t you?
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    I can hear their sloppy, uncoordinated buzzing now, as they approach.
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    Either that, or there is a dying fly in my window gutter…

  • justmy02cents

    Hey Joe,
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    They do not need the HEU…
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    Showtime had a series called “Sleeper Cell”
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    Scared the crap out of me because of it’s plausability.
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    YES we should control it, YES it can hurt us, and YES they certainly will try and try and try until they finally cause another outrageous tragedy like September 11, 2001.
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    SO tell me about your feelings towards radical Muslim extremists? should we be hunting/killing them wherever we can find them or not?
    [ ] yes
    [ ] no

  • 53_3

    The idiots arrive as we speak!
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    I wonder if beer in a shallow bowl…
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    Nah! That works only for slugs!
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    Or does it??!?!

  • CP in FL

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  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    We were discussing yesterday about how a soldier’s desire to see ‘action’ may cause them to act in ways that aren’t necessarily in our best interest. But that does nothing to explain the position of the armchair warriors who seem to regard the entire process as a spectator sport.

  • 53_3

    It’s what you get when you combine video gaming with Neoconservative mentality…

  • 53_3

    Joe, did you sprinkle a liberal amount of salt in a circle around your desk this morning?
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    It might help. Who knows…

  • nflfoghorn

    …mix in a little ’24′ and voila!

  • deconstructiva

    Rusty honey, you manage to stay semi-polite to “Mr Klein” but keep pounding the swampwomen (no, not that way), such as your snide remark to Kate at her last post (pea-sized brain? a lesbian cellmate in prison? hello?).
    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/04/14/jail-time-for-insurance-evaders-yes-said-fox-news/comment-page-2/#comment-155680
    Are you having a hard time embracing your inner femininity? Or you just hate women journalists? Or just all women?

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Showtime had a series called “Sleeper Cell”"
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    From now on, all foreign policy decisions should be based on events in fictional television programs. I, for one, want to know how this administration plans to stop the impending Cylon invasion.

  • sevenoaks07

    Ah Joe, you have enraged the base. Krauthammar’s rants are totally predictable. Maybe the Kraut needs to do a tour in Afghanistan. Perhaps he can go to Iran and engage Ahmadnuts. It is too easy to be an arm chair general.

  • 53_3

    In the meantime, as I remember, on the domestic terrorism front, the race to kill the most Americans on American soil in the last 20 years currently stands like this:
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    Al – Queda…………..3420
    Right Wing……………184
    Left Wing…………………0

  • FlownOver

    I don’t disagree with Klein’s premise – that Krauthammer reflexively criticizes any and all actions of this administration. It happens so regularly that Krauthammer has sacrificed any pretense of objectivity.

    Neither would I disagree with an observation that the sun rises in the east, but it doesn’t warrant a post. Dog bites man, if I recall the journo basics.

  • grape_crush

    what exactly has the “efforts” to further sanction Iran for its refusal to comply with the non-proliferation treaty it signed got us?
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    Veruca, sweetheart…Progress toward a goal is not the same as achievement of that goal.

  • 53_3

    Just so ya know, the Al Queda number is an estimate, drawn from memory.
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    But the other two?
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    Not in the least. Look at the references:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

  • square1

    The only move that will suffice is…bomb, bomb, bomb…bomb, bomb Iran.

    As a centrist compromise, I am willing to drop Krauthammer from 30,000 feet onto any covert Iranian nuclear development site.

    Doctor Strangelove Krauthammer would be permitted to carry as much explosive as he could stuff into his wheelchair.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    should we be hunting/killing them wherever we can

    Of course – twocents is utterly unconcerned with what it takes to identify someone as a “radical Muslim extremist” One suspects he thinks the important part is ‘Muslim’ and the rest is just pesky detail.

  • sevenoaks07

    Can McCain be the “co-dropee”?

  • m0mentom0ri

    “One suspects he thinks the important part is ‘Muslim’ and the rest is just pesky detail.”
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    Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.
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    They should just add that to the GOP logo.

  • justmy02cents

    @5.2

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_bombing

    marxist at work …in NYC

  • 53_3

    I’ve mentioned “recreational fear” as a problem for the right wingers before, and this does nothing but reinforce that perception:
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    “Showtime had a series called “Sleeper Cell”
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    Scared the crap out of me because of it’s plausibility.”

  • 53_3

    @5.6
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    Look again at comment at 5.2.
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    …last 20 years
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    But still, even with it, your peers hold a firm second in the Race for Disgrace…

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    2 cents cites an article about a bombing carried out by anarchists. The irony that the goals of anarchists and Tea partiers are directly in line with each other escapes him entirely.

  • justmy02cents

    @ 5.4

    Paul you do not even know me or anything about me.
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    I can state categorically the “ONE” thinks incorrectly on so many levels.
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    Does “ONE” think that there is no threat?
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    Is “ONE” willing to place “Oneself” in NYC, or London, or Madrid, or Bali, or Lebanon, or Frankfurt?
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    Please tell me Paul, do you have children or grandchildren and will they grow up in a caliphate?
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    you have proferred the typical liberal BS of accusing ME of racism instead of addressing the actual issue which is American security from radical islamist’s attacks.
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    On September 11, 2001, I raced to Jersey City, NJ to pick up my high school aged son and my other son who is a teacher in Jersey City in order to protect them, as best I could, from additional attacks.
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    The fear I experienced that day, the utter frustation at my inability to fulfill my FIRST responsibility as a parent, to protect my children, profoundly affected my view of security.
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    At 8:45 AM on 9/11/2001, I was happily on my way to an IBM training session…ONE minute later the entire world changed and fools like you still do not realize it to this day.

  • kbanginmotown

    I read in the paper about a RW Militia Group called the Hutaree that was just arrested…
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    Scared the crap out of me because these nutjobs live right here in Michigan!
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    As 53_3 pointed out, let’s keep real and imagined fears in perspective…

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    911 had 15 perpetrators and 3000 victims. Islam has 1.6 Billion adherents. Just how far do you intend to go to cleanse the world of threat?

  • justmy02cents

    Paul @5.12,
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    I do and did not advocate any cleansing, this is more of your BS that is very typical of liberals.
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    You have twice now injected YOUR words into my statements and then responded to YOUR injected words…
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    did you follow that? you are bashing what YOU said…NOT what I said. Try to stay with some sembelence of truth and honesty here.
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    momentomori @ 5.5
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    .Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.
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    nice quote.. (see above).
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    If you must know, I’d prefer that Special Ops take care of the killing part, but ONLY those that are a threat to us.
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  • dsuper

    Krauthammer – a ‘wingnut’? Perhaps wrong sometimes, but hardly a non-thoughtful guy. This dismissive attitude by Time staffers is why I did not renew my subscription – after 20 + years .

  • megatronrises

    This is from the wikipedia Attack on Wall Street article justmy02cents posted:
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    In 1944, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, successor to the BOI, performed a final investigation and concluded by saying its agents had explored the involvement of many radical groups, “such as the Union of Russian Workers, the I.W.W., Communist, etc….and from the result of the investigations to date it would appear that none of the aforementioned organizations had any hand in the matter and that the explosion was the work of either Italian anarchists or Italian terrorists.”
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    So there’s no proof of any left wing attack… only Italians??
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    You should really read your sources before posting…

  • justmy02cents

    megatron @ 5.14
    “A New York Times editorial titled “To Put Down Terrorists” counseled realism and calm: “The details of the plot may never be uncovered. The miscreants responsible may go unwhipped of justice….The most reasonable theory of the explosion is that it was intended as a terrorizing demonstration. It is not the first. It surely will not be the last….The community must show that it is not to be intimidated….By keeping cool and firm we begin their defeat….They will be hunted down in their lairs like wild animals.” Augmenting the resources and authority of the Department of Justice went unmentioned.[13]”
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    Terrorists……..just like foreign nationals that fly planes into buildings.
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    BTW: I had read the wiki and passed the site daily for many years…..it is overlooked by the statue of George Washington taking the oath of office as our first president.
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    you should visit the museum there and learn how great this country is…. touch the railing that George Washington’s hand rested on…tell me…do you feel the electricity of history? unlike Chris Matthews “tingle”…this is the REAL DEAL.

  • newfreedomblog

    Good for you dsuper. The only way to kill a snake is to cut it’s head off.
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    For TIME.com and their lying sack of crap reporters, the only way to stop them is to cut off their funding. I am with you 100%.

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh poor little decon-poison. I am not at all against women in any situation. By the contrary, I enjoy and promote women as much as possible. Just because TIME has dropped down to a high school level to attract their brood of reporters is not my fault.
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    Give it a break already. Go ride a bike or something.

  • newfreedomblog

    Yes, the only “idiots” are the far left liberal extremists who frequent this site. You got that right on for a change. But then again, stupidity does attract other stupid people.

  • earljr1

    Joe Klein once again shows his envy (jealousy) of Charles Krauthammer. We all know where you stand, Joe and your left wing diatribe erases any trace of objective journalism. Krauthammer has the courage to call it what it is…appeasement and concession. Our “apologist” President has no clue and continues a foreign policy that endangers America and threatens our allies. We deserve better and I think, come November, you will see the public start seizing the initiative to make this happen.

  • apr2563

    dsuper: From whence to thee come? If you no longer subscribe to Time magazine, what brings you to their web site?
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    Krauthammer a wing nut? Yes. He is employed by Fox. He and Kristol are the dour duo who deride any action by Obama and think bombing beats diplomacy. Torture beats humane interrogation. Support incarceration for accused terrorists even if not guilty.
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    Krauthammer is Dr. Strangelove. How I Stop Worrying an Love the Bomb.

  • apr2563

    newrusty: Brood? You are truly a Neanderthal. As a woman, I know a sexist pig when I see or read his writings. Your social evolution stopped at the third grade.

  • apr2563

    earls back with his “just you wait Enri Iggins” political analysis.

  • 53_3

    Looks like two cents doesn’t have a thought even worth that much.
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    Who knows?
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    If it was 1944, it is possible that they were even Moussolini’s minions – which then would be right wing fascists.

  • 53_3

    Easy, Rusty!
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    You’re upholding the reputation of the Sleeping White Giant!
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    FYI, I saw that there were three women upthread, kicking your arse. They were doing fine.
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    So I just walked by, whistling “dixie”…

  • 53_3

    My oldest and best freinds’ name is Earl Jr.
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    And he’s nothing like this ringer…

  • 53_3

    At least one of two cent’s peers found justice:
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/16/obama.threat/index.html

  • 53_3

    You don’t know anything about this country, two cents.
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    All you are capable of doing is using your paranoid schizophrenic ramblings as an excuse to claim all the patriotism for yourself.
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    Patriotism doesn’t work that way…

  • 53_3

    I think Earl Jr. has a headache:
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    He was tonguethumped by the Frog Prince.

  • earljr1

    Keep your head in the sand, april, you are infinitely more attractive this way.

  • 53_3

    Note to apr2563:
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    He likes a$$…

  • 53_3

    Come to think of it, early, why don’t you bless us with some links to back up your opinions?
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    Uh, something besides those he-said-she-said “tinyurl” links…

  • apr2563

    When I was in college there was a man attending and was in a wheelchair. Everyone who encountered him did what they could to assist him, even carrying him up stairs. There were no disability laws back then. I know it was hard for him to be dependent on others. Unfortunately, he remained unremittingly unpleasant. Although people still assisted him, there were those who wanted to take him to the top of a steep hill and release the brakes on his chair. We talked them out of it.
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    Now I know what I am quoting here is cruel, politically incorrect and tasteless. But I can’t help myself.
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    Dr. Strangelove:
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    “Sir, I have a plan!”
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    Standing up from his wheelchair
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    “Mein Fuhrer! I can walk!”

  • justmy02cents

    53_3 @ 5.15 & 5.16 & 13.1 & 14.5
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    Please explain exactly what you think you are adding to this discussion.
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    you are rude and most of all, I’d like to say intellectually dishonest, but that presumes intellect.
    so dishonest will have to do.
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    please explain your “raison d’etre”
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    many of the posters here and I disagree in a civil manner, but you fail at what I believe are feebly attempts at humor that come accross as uninformed, base, and dishonest statements.
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    come back when you grow up

  • 53_3

    My point was and is that your position(s) were ridiculous, to say the least.
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    I merely pointed out that if one fears Al-Queda, they should fear your peers more.
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    After all, they are here, as kbanger pointed out so eloquently.
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    I think, two cents, maybe the real problem is that I can blast through your inane BS in very short order.

  • earljr1

    You are correct…tasteless and obscenely stupid! Anyone who would find humor in a disability is simply disgusting. I really am disappointed in you, april, I thought you had more class than this. Charles Krauthammer is to be admired for MANY reasons…he has a wonderful mind, writes with a seldom seen clarity and is not afraid to tread on toes when it is necessary to do so. It is obvious that he upsets your perfect little fantasy world, but it is time for you to grow up and start facing reality. Uncle Nobama is NOT going to put milk and cookies on your table, tuck you in all snug and protect you from the big, bad wolf. Quite the contrary, he will appease the wolf by feeding him only PARTS of your body, hoping his voracious appetite will be satiated. (good luck with that one, dreamer)

  • deconstructiva

    Earl, I take it you are no fan of the Farrelly Brothers. Their films constantly find humor in disabilities and other less-than-perfect conditions. But it you know anything about them you’ll know they harbor no malice whatsoever. So you find ill will in apr (I don’t) but find rusty’s rants ok?

  • apr2563

    earl: your remark at 14.4 shows your sensitive side.
    For your information I am disabled, basically house bound and need a scooter to navigate inside and outside my home. So putting my head in the sand might be difficult. But if I must. Here is mooning you. Another one of your Hallmark moments we all cherish.
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    My condition does not make me a dreadfully sour human being. That was my point. My Dr. Strangelove reference was gratuitous but deeply meant. Facism is facism whether coming from a able or disabled person.

  • earljr1

    My desire to be a physician, was fueled by a disability in my own family. I am extremely empathetic to physical frailty and no, I have NEVER seen any humor in mocking those in a disadvantaged position. (for political, or ANY other reason) You may disagree with Krauthammer’s perspective, but do so without sardonic humor.

  • apr2563

    Physician heal thyself.

  • earljr1

    Much to your chagrin, I know, april, I will continue to pray for you.

  • 53_3

    More fodder for the right wingers, considering their misadventure into the realm of terrorism:
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/16/clinton-we-dont-want-to-go-down-violent-anti-government-road-again/

  • justmy02cents

    53_3 @ 5.18
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    I bask at being underestimated by a fool.
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    They ARE here….right now….even CNN featured the stories of the arrest of the terrorist who travelled from Colorado to NYC to blow up the Times Square and Grand Central subway stations….
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    BTW. he was captured at a Brooklyn mosque…I report You decide
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  • justmy02cents

    “They are not gangsters,” Clinton told the newspaper. “They were elected. They are not doing anything they were not elected to do.”
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    An appropriate recent quote….”You LIE!” in response.
    .After being elected, President Obama swore an oath the he would “preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States”
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    He has assaulted it from day ONE!
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    Just asking…..where were the CNN interns during the interview?

  • shepherdwong

    “…you are rude and most of all, I’d like to say intellectually dishonest, but that presumes intellect.
    so dishonest will have to do.”

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    Self-aware much?

  • maverick2k9

    Problem with hunting down and killing radical islamists is that you inevitably end up torturing and killing innocent muslims. i.e. produce more radical islamists
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    Also, there is the lil problem of whether all this is legal under the constitution or international law.
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    War on terror is a stupid idea invented by an equally stupid President, who, when informed about Bin Laden’s intentions, told the CIA briefer “Well, you’ve covered your ass, now”.

  • maverick2k9

    Can you please post at least 2 cents worth of links to prove your assertions?
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    He has assaulted it from day ONE!

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  • swissArmyBrainBETA

    that wasn’t really what the post was about. it was a defense of the merits of this administration’s approach. krauthammer is a leading critic so posting klein’s views in response to that article makes perfect sense.

    in other news, i take issue with the classification as wing-nut. that really needs to be reserved for people a lot nuttier than charles.

    WING? yes. NUT? that’s not really fair.

    krauthammer’s point was that all the president’s action is really all show and he’s not serious enough about stopping Iran. he’s made a fairly strong case there and elsewhere but IF the conference and various minor agreements are a big show that makes it easier to get strong sanctions agreements for Iran, then I’m all for show. But of course, there is no guarantee sanctions will dissuade a regime like that anyway.

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    Please explain how Obama is an apologist. Also, please point out specifically how his foreign policy endangers us and threatens our allies. Until then, stop repeating talking points.

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    Ditto maverick2k9.
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    02cents, if you feel President Obama has assaulted the Constitution, please point out a specific example. Like many here have done, convincingly, with regards to Bush and Cheney.
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    “He has assaulted it from day ONE!” is not a specific example. It’s rhetorical overkill.

  • earljr1

    Shakespeare, Obama’s European trip in 2009, where he apologized (repeatedly) for America’s actions in defending the free world. Dailyradar.com and his undermining Israel’s security by interacting with known terrorist organizations Hezbollah and Hamas. Israel specifically asked him NOT to do so. Haaretz.com

  • earljr1

    rhetorical overkill? It is hardly that. Our Constitution mandates government and being governed, based on the will of the people and democrats have thumbed their noses at this key provision. Most recently, with HCR. When this bill was jammed down our throats, 54% of Americans did not want it, vs. 43% who favored. Rassmussen. com. Not only that, but the administration blatantly lied about transparency in its formation and on the ultimate cost of this bill. This certainly looks like an assault to me.

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    Earljr1: you mean when Obama admitted that the American government had violated international law and expressed regret for it?
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    Really? That’s wrong, somehow? Because where I come from–conservative parents, raised in the South–you own up to mistakes and take responsibility for your actions. Obama didn’t even do that, but it was a start. And look at the international goodwill that created.
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    America is unique in the world. I’m proud to be an American. I also know my nation has done horrible things in the past. To admit to this is not to be an “apologist,” which suggests that such a person is weak or threatens America’s strength.
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    For Obama to admit that America has made mistakes is not a sign of weakness. I consider it a sign of strength. After all, if you (not you personally, earljr1) are incapable of admitting mistakes, then you are in danger of always thinking you are right. And no one–no individual, no entity, no nation–is ever always right.
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    As for interacting with terrorist organizations (Hezbollah and Hamas)…how, exactly, did Obama do this? And even if he did “interact” with Hezbollah and/or Hamas, what should he do if an opportunity arises for him to engage with an enemy? We cannot kill every single terrorist. Ever. But we can (and do) kill some, and we can (and do) arrest others, and we can (and do) convince people to either quit being terrorists or to never become terrorists in the first place.
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    As for Israel’s security, perhaps Israel should start listening to our suggestions as well as we listening to theirs. But that’s an entirely separate argument, I think.

  • earljr1

    He did NOT violate international law, shakespeare. That is a favorite liberal talking point. The war in Afghanistan and Iraq had wide spread European support AND participation. I served as a physician in both theater’s and operated, side by side, with English, German and Polish doctors on our wounded. You may disagree with the Iraq war, but tyranny was our enemy and remains so today. Standing up to terrorism is our ONLY hope of defeating this enemy. You say Obama’s apologies created good will and I say you are wrong, it made us look weak and indecisive. I have blood relatives living in Germany and Norway and they all confirm this assessment. Israel asked our cooperation in NOT negotiating directly with Hezbollah and Hamas….Obama blew them off. The Prime Minister of Israel said that relations with the U.S. are at an all time low and blames Obama for creating a more difficult environment and increasing the potential for all out war. Great job, Mr. Obama, alienating the greatest ally we have….this is diplomacy, shakespeare? If you think so, then we live in two different worlds.

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    You misunderstood me. I wasn’t referring to the Afghanistan war OR the Iraq war. I find it interesting that you suggest a “favorite liberal talking point” is the war in Afghanistan…and the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq are separate theaters of war, but that’s a separate issue. And I’ve heard no one credibly argue that the war in Afghanistan was illegal or unnecessary after 9/11.
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    No, what I was talking about was the widespread use of torture and the false premises under which we went to war.
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    I agree tyranny is an enemy to freedom, but that’s a dangerous generalization. Is the tyranny of the Taliban the same as the tyranny of (insert opposing political party here)?
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    I think you and I are going to agree to disagree on the “apology” issue. I still maintain that admitting mistakes is a sign of strength. What is your evidence (aside from anecdotal evidence from your relatives in Europe) that Americans look weak and indecisive because Obama admitted to past mistakes on the part of America?
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    I’m aware that the Prime Minister of Israel blames Obama for the poor state of relations between America and Israel. I blame Israel for a ridiculous and unnecessary spread of housing projects that further inflames Palestinians and the Arab world in general, not to mention a xenophobic Israeli foreign minister in Avigdor Lieberman. When General Petraeus suggests that Israeli policies weaken our ability to carry out the war on terror, then I think we should listen. And I disagree that Israel is our greatest ally. I believe we are theirs (look at how much aid we give them).
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    I support the state of Israel. But that support is not unconditional.
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    And what about the increased number of terrorists we have captured or killed since Obama took office?

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    When you’re ready to compare notes about Bush, Cheney, and David Addington taking a blowtorch to the Constitution, then you can talk.
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    Rasmussen’s polling is generally an outlier when it comes to other national polls, perhaps because Rasmussen’s polling sample turns out to be, as I understand it, largely white older conservative men. Regardless, I’m not surprised at the numbers you gave, considering the lies put out in the general public about HCR (death panels and government takeover, neither of which are remotely true).
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    And the backroom dealing (non-transparent issues) got a thorough airing in the media over the months of debate, and then the reconciliation process stripped the most heinous examples (the Cornhusker Kickback, for example, which I thought was disgusting) from the final bill.
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    “Jammed down our throats” is a good talking point. It’s also false. Politicians were elected to enact laws. They jammed nothing down our throats but enacted a law they believed to be in the best interests of the American people. Polls have an important place in a democracy, but they aren’t the end-all and be-all of politicians’ actions, nor should they be.
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    Thanks for considering this, earljr1.

  • http://teacherreaderwriter.wordpress.com/ Shakespeare in GA

    earljr1: sorry, that first line of my post above was supposed to end, “…then we can talk.”

  • earljr1

    You are totally incorrect about Rasmussen’s polling sample, the white, conservative men rap is a liberal spin to offset the accuracy of their polls.(not favorable to democrats, currently) The last two Presidential elections were predicted to .5 of the actual results. Go to their site and you will find an example of how their polls are conducted. You are also misinformed about HCR. There WILL be panels to decide if treatment is to be continued (supposedly a cost saving measure) and the influx of 32 million new patients will have a major, negative impact on our current health care delivery. Let me give you an example. Democrats like to showcase the Massachusetts system as their model. Great…do you know that the average wait time to get a new appointment with the Doctor is 44 days? Did you know it is the most expensive premium in the country? (almost 15k per year for a family of four) and did you know that it is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy…so premiums MUST go up? Did you know that your OWN premium will be going up significantly? OF course not, because they were hell bent on passing this bill at ANY cost and the public was NOT informed. This is for the good of the people, shakespeare? The deficit has been tripled in 1 1/2 years and eight million additional jobs lost…this is progress? No wonder people are angry and they have GOOD reason to feel that way. Have a good evening…I’m through venting now. (P.S. I was also raised in a good, old fashioned Southern family, where we were taught responsibility from a very early age…I am very proud of my roots)

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