Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn: Don’t Be “Biased By Fox News”

Either way, you know Jon Stewart is going to run with it.

Wow. The hate machine is going to lay into him.

uh oh Coburn is sounding a tad to reasonable. He is going to be labeled a RINO if he is not careful.

…a Fox spokesman wishes Cool J “the best with his fledgling acting career.”

The guy has been making movies since 1986…nice hissyfit.

A conservative dissing Fox? Isn’t that like a PETA spokesperson wearing fur?

Now that he’s been Jim-Bunning-ized, Coburn will have no trouble shedding that “well-respected” label.
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And if moderation these days is measured by the ability to bad-mouth one’s opponents for being not malicious but merely stupid, that’s yet another measure of how far we have fallen.
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As for Fox news, I doubt that even Sarah Palin, were she so inclined, could persuade those who watch Fox to stop doing so.

Tom Coburn, a Republican who wants to talk about issues and play fair!

I am not being sarcastic when I say, if this is real, I am very impressed.

Unfortunately, when it comes to talking issues and playing reasonably fair, Republicans like McCain did, get soundly defeated.

Hey, fatty foods are addictive, and so is fatty TV.

the Senator, who is well-respected on both sides of the aisle
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BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTT!
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Thanks for passing that story along, though, Michael. Funny that, just as everyone knows that we invaded Iraq for no reason, everyone knows that Fox is a less-intellectual version of Michael Steele and the RNC. Yet it’s politically incorrect to say either of those things.

I’m not so sure about the well-respected, etc. Coburn has put holds on bills for years. In some cases he simply wouldn’t allow them to come to the floor. He lied or misrepresented many items in hcr, even though he did stand up for the correct information in the example cited above.

Because he sounds more reasonable than Jim Bunning and is probably a pleasant person, more Rs came over to join in his hold on the unemployment benefits extension prior to the Easter recess. As for the people who would be out of luck because they weren’t getting any money… ol’ Doc just says too bad.

He’s going to have to do more than tell the truth about Fox before I’m impressed.

Elvis, thanks for that example of Coburn’s holds and what they accomplish. Moral monitor, indeed.

Next thing you know, it will turn out the IRS is not really going to hire 16,000 armed agents.

But this is the same Tom Coburn who just let unemployment benefits expire for 200,000 people?

Please tell me when anyone on the left will start telling the truth? I know its not a priority when you are doing the Lord’s work in helping the dumb and ignorant to the enlightened liberal path. But for a group that whines about truth the left has a growing deficit.

Isn’t that like a PETA spokesperson wearing fur?
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More like a PETA spokesperson stomping on a kitten’s head and drinking its still-warm blood in front of a room full of first-graders…
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There will prolly be a mild walkback, but nothing quite as pathetic as what Coburn would have to do if he had dissed Limbaugh.

yup.
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…and stating, in no uncertain terms, that he or she thoroughly enjoyed dispatching the creature who owned it!

Hey freeinpa!
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Maybe next, conservatives will finally go after your Fat Messiah!
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Is that really sunshine I see…

Frum took a turn at FOX as well:

Fox, like Limbaugh, has an interest in pushing the Republicans to the margins, making people angry.

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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/4/6/854353/-Frum:-Fox-fueling-GOPs-march-to-the-fringe
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Is our Republican leaders learning?

53IQ

Must suck to wake up as you everyday

I wouldn’t put much stock in this occurrence. Coburn remains an extreme right wing creature. He also happens to be an extreme narcissistic rebel who would growl and bite at the a-leader wolf in any pack he was part of. He has done it before, he will do it again, and Fox means little to him. Still, he remains what he is.

Limbaugh, has an interest in pushing the Republicans to the margins, making people angry..

Unlike the DailyKos. Bwahhahahah

You guys ought to do comedy because nearly every thought you have is a joke. And the really funny part is you don’t see the irony or absurdity in most of your posts.

Nothing could be more funny and ironic (and pathetic) than you thinking you’re making some sort of intelligent point by comparing Limbaugh and kos. You’re a cartoon.

freeinpa:
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You obviously don’t know dripping sarcasm…

And a very badly drawn cartoon at that!

Maybe, but I recognize a horse’s backside at any distance

Shepdong and IQ53

Twiddly dee and twiddly dumb the wonder dummies proving my point once again. You guys are the best. Johnny Carson didn’t have a better straight man than the 2 of you.

Of course Freep, Rust-eze and the rest of the trolls will rub it in our faces that Fox has more viewers than CNN and Ms.NBC combined. So does USA, TBS, TNT, TLC, Discovery and Home Shopping Network. That’s sayin’ a lot.

Content freeinpa!
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Content!
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You should know by now that tossing insults aren’t going to cut it. You are going to have to actually put what you got on the table!
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Let’s see content! Let’s see something to back up your args besides he-said-she-said “tinyurl” links!

Good insult, freeinpa. But can you defend your statements.
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I know that I can.
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Have you ever walked into a wall, while talking sh!t?
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You’re about to add that to your list of experiences…

PETA That’s People Eating Tasty Animals Right?

Unlike liberals who use religion as a punch line I have but one savior. I do not know to whom you refer.

So I guess you will defend your stupidity?

“And a very badly drawn cartoon at that”

“Nothing could be more funny and ironic (and pathetic) than you thinking you’re making some sort of intelligent point by comparing Limbaugh and kos”

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“Content!
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You should know by now that tossing insults aren’t going to cut it.”

If the above passes for liberal content I am amazed either of you walk upright. The stupidity of your own comments confirms it.

Don’t need to rub in viewership in your faces,. The fact that your opinions are the extreme view and disregarded by the majority will suffice.

Does beg questions as to why no viewers:

a) can function to turn a TV on?
b) Programs have nothing to say?
c) nobody cares what extreme liberal say?

Tie for a,b &c

@freeinpa:

Look at the content written. It was Frum who said that Fox and Limbaugh like to push Republicans to the edge. Frum who is a former George Bush speech writer.

Frum sees what is wrong with the Republican party and is speaking out about it. All Republicans should do the same instead of being ditto heads.

NO. It’s actually what a CONSERVATIVE thinks. YOu are confusing the neo-con fascists who have taken over the GOP.

I know you have one savior, freeinpa.
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And, to make the point, I’ve never heard you criticize Rush Limbaugh, either.
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Your Fat Messiah is infallible, right?

I recognize a horse’s backside at any distance…
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Tell us: does that sight turn you on a lot or just a little?

You know, folks, if you stop feeding the trolls, you don’t have to wade through as much of their verbal feces. Just sayin’.

Still better than socialists

“And, to make the point, I’ve never heard you criticize Rush Limbaugh, either”

SInce its been about 8 years since I listened to him I can’t address what he says. Unlike you who has opinions on what you think you know. Which by the way is next to nothing.

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Hey IQ53
“Tell us: does that sight turn you on a lot or just a little?”

Do you wan to give grape_crush the “content” lecture or does not apply to conservatives? Probably since liberals generally are content free.

Frum sees what is wrong with the Republican party and is speaking out about it.

And so the entire party should just rise up and follow the word of a journalist? That seems awfully Democrat. Or do you mean like the Demos did with Zell Miller?

I truly love liberals who always have answers for questions they can’t even understand

You see that is the problem with liberals. They have the arrogance to think they know better than everybody and become infuriated when called out on the crap they peddle.

Miss the old days when it was just one big wet kiss in the media for libs and politicians?

freeinpa:
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You really should use a flashlight when you look under your bed at night.
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You might find that there really are no monsters hiding there…

Oh, I really believe you, freeinpa, when you say you havn’t listened to him for eight years.
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And only black and yellow striped pigs fly, too!

Really, freeinpa, I believe you!

“You see that is the problem with liberals. They have the arrogance to think they know better than everybody…”
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Actually, we just know that you’re not everybody. Far from it. Thank God.

One thing grape doesn’t do that you do do, freeinpa:
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When grape says something, and is asked about it, he doesn’t divert or toss insults to avoid backing up his facts.
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One thing he does do is that he does back up his facts. Both of us already know, so I don’t challenge him to back up something I already know.
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On the other hand, when you get stuck, you toss insults right and left, then run away.

Freeinpa
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So what about Frum said?

IQ53

Yes my one goal in life is to get a knuckle dragging creature like you to believe me. But since all of you liberals want proof of everything, what proof do you have that it is not true? Or are you talking the typical liberal route of smearing by calling someone a liar. Probably you fit the gutless profile.

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When grape says something, and is asked about it, he doesn’t divert or toss insults to avoid backing up his facts.”

So what you are saying , in this instance he is just a another liberal shooting off his mouth with nothing to say. Got it. A lot like you.

Thank you for illustrating my point, freeinpa!
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You know that wall?
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never mind…

“we just know”

Hearing all those voices in your head again? Or just more arrogance in that you can speak for everyone else?

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“you’re not everybody”

Ding ding ding. You got something right albeit by accident. I am not the knee jerk denigrating part of a a minority of this country who believes they have all the answers and everyone but them is uneducated and ignorant. And I do thank God everyday!

The arrogance, freeper, comes from the axis of teabagging-wingnuts who refuse to accept the will of the majority.
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How other than “arrogant” are we to describe the petulant minority that refuse to accept political outcomes that are not to their liking?
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We have had elections. Democrats ran on platforms of health care reform. Indeed, their promises for reform were far vaster than what ultimately ended up being passed. There were elections. Democrats won. Republicans lost.
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There was then a year-long debate on what should be included in the health care reform legislation. Multiple bills were posted online for all to read. Republicans were invited to submit alternatives. They largely chose not to.
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There was more debate. Amendments were proposed. The Republicans were in the minority. They voted. They lost.
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A reconciliation bill was proposed. It was debated. Again, amendments were made. Republicans were in the minority. They voted. They lost.
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What are we to call these petulant, whiny babies that make up the GOP? Who refuse to accept outcomes that are not to their liking. Who demand that only they may craft legislation. Who insult whole regions and ethnicities as not being “real Americans”. What, if not “arrogant”, describes their knee-jerk dismissals of the views of anyone else?

freeinpa, If God didn’t intend for people to eat animals, why did he make them so delicious?

First he is entitled to his opinion. It is puzzling how making Republicans angry so they don’t vote is what Limbaugh or Fox try to do?

Does MSNBC, Schultz or Matthews push the margins on the left so Democrats don’t vote? The logic is a bit twisted which may explain his firing at AEI.

The viewership grows which means more voters for those politicians who meet the needs of those voters. It is hard to see how those voters would turn to Democrats again. Many were fooled by the Demos in 2008 who tried to portray themselves as centrists and not the liberals they are turning out to be.

Besides the voters/audience of the shows on MSNBC could all meet in a phone booth.

Toast one and see…

For news, all three major networks all beat Faux News.
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For cable, Faux brings in less than half of all viewers.
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When a liberal wants to learn economics, he studies economics or, for news finds news from economists.
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When a conservative wants to learn about economics, he goes to right wing pundits like construction worker Sean Hannity.
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When liberals want to know about climate change, they look at studies by climatologists.
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When conservatives want to know about climate change, they go to Exxon Mobil.
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When liberals and people of the older Christian faiths (like Episcopalians, Lutherans,Catholics and Jews) want to know about biology, we go to a biologist and discover evolution.
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When conservatives want to know about biology, they read the bible and try to impose their religion everybody else.
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When Liberals want to find out about the constitution, we find out from attorneys who work on it for a living.
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When conservatives want to find out about the constitution, they ask Ann Coulter.
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When Liberals want to find out about history, they go to a history book.
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When conservatives want to know about history, they just make up sht and throw it out as fact.
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“Besides the voters/audience of the shows on MSNBC could all meet in a phone booth.”
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Wow! You are outdated!
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You do know that pay phones have been going out of business for the past fifteen years and booths haven’t been put in to many places for over twenty years, don’t you?
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Maybe you should just get offline, listen to some Glenn Miller and the Andrew sisters and use your imagination about how happy World War II was.
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I know history and there are many parts of the 20th century alone I am glad I was not a part of.

square:

The quick response is nearly every point you make is a lie.

How other than “arrogant” are we to describe the petulant minority that refuse to accept political outcomes that are not to their liking?

So you agree that for 8 years of Bush, Democrats were an arrogant petulant minority and have been loathe to give that up even as a majority. Somehow I seem to remember them claiming that it was their duty to be a resistant minority. But I forget that was the Dems-it is unpatriotic if you are a Repub. To quote one Demo we make up the rules as we go along. You and those same Dems will whine like schools girls when it will be done to them. And it will and probably sooner than you think or like.
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“Republicans were invited to submit alternatives. They largely chose not to”

No they had plans and amendments which were largely denied by the Dems. The plans which Demo congressman admitted they did not and could not read (but voted for) were draw behind closed doors of Demos only.
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“The Republicans were in the minority. They voted. They lost.”

As did some Demos, those that is that were not bought off with taxpayer dollars.

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“Who refuse to accept outcomes that are not to their liking. Who demand that only they may craft legislation. Who insult whole regions and ethnicities as not being “real Americans”

And how is this different than Democrats? insult whole regions? I guess you exclude the bible toting gun hugging people Obama referred. Or the Tea Party people who are Repubs, Independents and Demos who are constantly berated denigrated and physically threatened and attacked by the left.

Any difference other than its your side in the majority? See just lies.

Michael,
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Nice hatchet job on FOX
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I listened to Senator Coburn comments in there entirety. You obviously pulled out the parts that supported your hate for FOX. Coburn also made a comment about CNN. Funny you fail to mention that in your hatchet job article. He also said you should watch FOX as well as CNN and other news channels and read papers such as the WSJ.
You didn’t mention these comments. Oh I forgot that didn’t support your political intent in this article.
FOX and Coburn will get along fine.
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Distorting the truth for political gain. This is not what reporters should be doing.
Michael, I know you’re young and you’re only doing what your boss tells you to do but are you being fair to the American people?

“You do know that pay phones have been going out of business for the past fifteen years”

It’s called a metaphor. Gee even 53 as dumb as he is could have explained that to you.

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I know history and there are many parts of the 20th century alone I am glad I was not a part of”

And lucky us to have you here now where you will be nothing but a burden to society

Are you channeling your inner Carlin?

Relax. You give him more credit than he is due. Reporters have become nothing but political hacks and what truly disturbs them is the existence of entities like Fox who call out the MSM and the left on the crap they have peddled with impunity for 40+ years.

“Are you channeling your inner Carlin”

I hope he is because otherwise he is in serious need of clozapine.

“And lucky us to have you here now where you will be nothing but a burden to society.”
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I’m self employed in commercial real estate in Manhattan.
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We’ve been through this.
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You’re a failed chemical engineer who is online all of the time.
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If you weren’t a failure, you would have proudly used your real name online.

IQ53

You never have a point only your erroneous opinions.

3X,
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You have to be more careful with your typing.
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You said,
“Distorting the truth for political gain. This is not what reporters should be doing.”
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You, obviously meant:
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“Distorting the truth for political gain. This is not what you should be doing. We have Fox for that.”
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On Fox there is no climate change and evolution is still “just” a theory.
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(The word “theory” in science means something like “system” not a hypothesis like the theory of gravity.)
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3X, you really have to practice your typing.

“You’re a failed chemical engineer who is online all of the time.
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If you weren’t a failure, you would have proudly used your real name online.”

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Once again a liberal talking liberal facts about which you know nothing. Your proof of my failure is??

And the reason I as most don’t use a real name online is because of nut job liberals like you who insist it the right that invokes violence but which is actually committed by the left.

And exactly how do you know I am online all the time if you were not there or responding to me? Maybe you are not the success you think you are. I am pretty sure you aren’t as smart as you think you or or even as smart as fecal matter.

“…the crap they have peddled with impunity for 40+ years.”
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Presidents from before 1970:
Lyndon Johnson
JFK
Eisenhower (relatively very liberal for a Republican)
Truman
FDR
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So, the MSM elects… liberal presidents after 1970?
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I’ve got to love your history.

3xfire3:
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I don’t like Pravda, either!
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If you are not smart enough after 73 years to recognize propaganda when you see it, then, well, hell…
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You just aren’t smart.

Patrick, 3xfire3 doesn’t do history. He does propaganda.

Freeinpa,
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Just to remind you the presidents over the past 40 years:
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Ford
Carter (yes, he was liberal)
Reagan
Bush Sr.
Clinton (middle of the road)*
W
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MSM is responsible for elections and causes… Democrats and liberals to be elected?
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During Clinton’s years we had Republican control of the congress for the first time since 1952 and maintained it until 2006.
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What century were you talking about?

“Reporters have become nothing but political hacks and what truly disturbs them is the existence of entities like Fox who call out the MSM and the left on the crap they have peddled with impunity for 40+ years.”
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Perfect:

One of the more striking features of the contemporary conservative movement is the extent to which it has been moving toward epistemic closure.Reality is defined by a multimedia array of interconnected and cross promoting conservative blogs, radio programs, magazines, and of course, Fox News. Whatever conflicts with that reality can be dismissed out of hand because it comes from the liberal media, and is therefore ipso facto not to be trusted. (How do you know they’re liberal? Well, they disagree with the conservative media!)
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http://www.juliansanchez.com/2010/03/26/frum-cocktail-parties-and-the-threat-of-doubt/

“clozapine”
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I had to look that up.
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I am not familiar with psychopharmaceuticals.
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You’re the one who is sure for some reason that I am a “burden to society” and not working. Is it that little voice you keep on hearing that tells you this?

MS hope you read this posting and the link. Colburn has played this game for a long time. Reach across the aisle while supporting the most regressive agenda.

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I am not familiar with psychopharmaceuticals.”

Its the stuff Mom gives you when you aren’t out pretending to be a normal grown-up

“And lucky us to have you here now where you will be nothing but a burden to society”
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Let’s not remind freeinpa that he is nowhere near innocent in regards to taking a handout from the government.
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His taxpayer base is far too small to pay for the infrastructure that he uses every day, his water, his food, his health care, his telephone, his power, his water.
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Instead, I pay for it! It is the urban centers that have a net negative flow with respect to tax dollars.
An example, from Indiana:
http://www.ibj.com/study-urban-tax-money-subsidizes-rural-counties/PARAMS/article/15690
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Mind you, I have no objection to the fact that he does what he does on my dime, because despite his demeanor, the income redistribution to rural communities makes our country far stronger than it would be otherwise.
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Let’s not forget that it is one of the things that separates America from countries with large populations of rural poor.
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I’ve warned him about biting the hand that feeds him, but hell, he’s Free In Pennsylvania!

patrickturd:

Once again you make an assumption you have a clue as to what I was referrng to in my post. Liberals have attacked institutions in schools, governments (state, local and federal) and the courts. Your recitation of Presidents is impressive I bet you were the star of the 5th grade.

Century- must be the word of the day on your calendar. You have used it in at least 3 posts on different threads. Hopefully tomorrow your word is THINK– But be careful not to hurt yourself

freeper: What ever happened to Zell Miller. Did he expire while dueling John Kerry? No he became as irrlevent as the prior maverick, John McCain.

“…nut job liberals like you who insist it the right that invokes violence but which is actually committed by the left.”
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So are you saying that the Hutaree bust didn’t actually happen?
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Or is it that you are claiming that the Hutaree militia is a left wing organization?
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Which one is it freeinpa?

And if they disagree with the liberal media they are nut jobs right? Having a liberal post something to confirm his importance is nothing but another liberal fact, having nothing to do with reality.

Do you wan to give grape_crush the “content” lecture..
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If you want to insult someone by calling someone a horse’s backside and tell them that it must suck to be them, then expect to get insulted back, dear.
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Now run along and stop pestering the adults with your whinging; there’s plenty of ponies for you to ‘play’ with outside.
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…in this instance he is just a another liberal shooting off his mouth with nothing to say…
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Nothing to say to you, freeper, as trying to reason and debate with you is like trying to reason and debate with a piece of cheap furniture. When it’s pointed out exactly how wrong you are, you throw insults, try to change the topic, refuse to engage in honest debate, and generally make a nuisance of yourself. Your postings here show you to be a whiny, dense, mendacious child who does nothing positive for your side of the ideological divide.
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You may, one day, choose to grow up…but until then, all I have for you is my derision.
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One thing grape doesn’t do that you do..
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One thing? That’s all? Man, I better get crackin’ before my cred totally tanks.

Sorry grape!
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His commentary was directed at that one of your qualities. Certainly didn’t mean it to be the only one!

Freeinpa,
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“”Who insult whole regions and ethnicities as not being “real Americans”"

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In 2000 there were extensive allegations that the Republican House was very anti-Catholic and only reluctantly took on it’s first Catholic Chaplin due to Democratic support.
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http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Anti-Catholicism%3F%28controversy+over+Reverend+Daniel+Coughlin%27s…-a061764161
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As far as ethnicity go, the chief of staff is Jewish and our president is black.
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Are you saying that as a white, gentile protestant that you now feel like you no longer have control of the country and this upsets you?

If the Republican party and the conservatives don’t throttle back their rhetoric, they will be accessories to the deaths that are already being threatened. People, in general, are very stupid. When egged on with inflammatory rhetoric, they will do stupid and criminal things.
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Fox News exists to make money. Period. And they do a good job of selling advertising and drawing in viewers by airing controversial, over-the-top rhetoric. When someone is killed after being egged on by Fox (and it will happen – people are too dumb to keep it civilized. Just look at these boards), I hope Fox News and the RNC are sued as accessories. Hit them in their pocket books and maybe they’ll learn that making money by inciting seditious acts isn’t such a good idea.
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There is a difference between protected speech and criminal acts. Fox, all to often, in my opinion, crosses that line.

Freeinpa, let me get this straight:
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1)You are familiar with anti-psychotic medication.
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2)You fear using your real name because you believe people will attack you physically.
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3)You believe that the vast majority of the media are filled with liars.
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4) You believe our schools are “under attack”.
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Not only have our schools gone way up in what they teach, so have IQ scores, supposedly measuring innate intelligence.
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What has changed is the demands of graduates from your days in the 1960s when you could walk out the door and get a factory job for what is now a fourth grade education and earn enough to support a family.
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So, there has been no “attack”.
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You just have this nostalgia for a time and place which was not as good as now and nowhere near as good as you remember it.
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I do wonder how you have so much time to debate me if you are so successful and busy.

What Do Hugo Chavez and Barack Obama Have In Common
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They both have plans to shut down any media that doesn’t support their views.
Chavez is just further along on implementing his plan. He is about 75% done with his plan.
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Obama’s plan is still undercover. He has a plan and has planted one of his Czars at the FCC to work on the implementation of his plan. It will come out piecemeal so it doesn’t create too much initial opposition. He will use the nudge technique that another one of his Czar’s wrote about in one of his books. Change a little at a time and keep working the plan till you achieve your goal.
Similar to the old saying “You can change the world as long as you do it gradually.
Even you Liberals don’t know ultimately where Obama wants to take this country.
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These comments are my perceptions based on the information I have analyzed from various sources. You may disagree. That is your right. But be smart enough to watch what is happening over the next 12-24 months and keep an open mind. More than one smooth talker has taken a country in the wrong direction.

3X,
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Fox News is located in Manhattan, home to one of the largest ACLU and free speech advocates of anywhere in the world.
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If you believe that there is a plot to close down Fox, you have, honestly, lost your mind.
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Liberal free speech advocates have protected the speech of communists, nazis and, of course, conservatives no matter how much we find the speech offensive.
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You are truly not in touch with reality at all.

“You are truly not in touch with reality at all.”
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Read all about it:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paranoid_Style_in_American_Politics
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Anyway, looks like Colburn hit a nerve. A big, sensitive, barely submerged nerve.

Cool,
Coburn is right…gosh I hate saying that.
It’s been over a decade since I’ve had a discussion with any Republican where I got the impression that they had done any homework on the topic at hand.

Very lazy bunch when it comes to researching anything for themselves.

And I do blame Fox.

Sorry grape!
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I knew what you meant…just trying to be humorous in spite of my low credibility quotient.

Patrick,
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Read some of the comments made by Mark Lloyd the Czar Obama put into the FCC.
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I think you will be shocked at his views of controls he believes should be put on the national media. Lloyd also has expressed on many occasions how much he likes Chavez and how much he agrees with his media polices.
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If Obama doesn’t share these views why did he put him at the FCC?

3X,
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You know as well as I do that if there ever was anything other than free speech for Fox News, conservative protesters wouldn’t have a chance to protest because the sidewalks would be overflowing with ACLU lawyers by the time you guys get off the plane at LaGuardia.
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If you have some amazingly shocking news, the rule of thumb is link it or zip it.
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Until I see a link, 3X I have every reason to believe that you are full of

Patrick,
Are you afraid to read comments made by Lloyd?
As usual you stick your head in the sand for fear you might find out some factual information that might not be good for the Liberal cause.
Facts can be so incontinent to people on the Left.
Until you are willing to look at reality and real facts, you can not be taken seriously.

“Are you afraid to read comments made by Lloyd?”
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He asked for a link, moron. That suggests: 1) no, he’s not afraid to hear Lloyd’s “comments” and 2) you’re completely full of sh!t about Lloyd’s “comments”.

Once, I met a kind person who, unfortunately for him, was a believer in John Birch Society theories.
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He gave me one of their books.
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I was twenty years old, in college and read it.
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I found one factual error after the other, but, although never believing it, found it interesting.
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Then, I grew up and realized that it was just paranoid, absurd crap.
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It had Jesuits, Nazis, Communists and Masons all at the same place making conspiracies together.
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Catholics feared Freemasons and Protestants feared Catholics – most notably the Jesuit order.
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I had several relatives attend Jesuit schools and there was nothing too exciting going on. It was just very Catholic.
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I had a friend in college was a Mason. I found out the truth about Masons- they really liked bowling.
(That’s about as wacky and wild as the Mason’s this guy’s dad was into.)

testing

3X,
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Since you have no link for me, I will give a link to you from a man who is now no kid he will be 69 years old next month:
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Enjoy.

Patrick: Thanks for the link to Dylan. My favorite Bircher paronia was the communist plot to poison us with floride.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057012/quotes?qt0454454
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The link is a quote from Kubrick’s Dr. Strangelove. He had the right wing, cold war paranoia down perfectly.
Unfortunately, we don’t learn from history and the Birchers have joined up with the TPers. General Jack D. Ripper would feel right at home.
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I guess it is going to take another Murrow to point out the insanity but I’m not sure the corporate media would allow for another Murrow.

What did Pelosi buy you or threaten you with there Tommy?

That’s the difference between the conservatives of today compared to conservatives of many years ago.
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My father did vote for Goldwater, but, he found Dr. Strangelove funny.
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My uncle – opposite side of the family – also finds conspiracy theories too stupid to pay any attention to.
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If there was some kind of agreement on the facts, debating a conservative would be somewhat enlightening. But, if you believe that the attacks or threats against members of Congress and, I guess, Joe Stack, are all a part of a huge false flag operation with the goal of shutting down Faux News, we can’t discuss much.
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If they really want to, conservatives can spend all day in their front yard waving their flag, holding their bible with their health insurance policy between the pages and their licensed gun on their belt and I assure you that nobody is going to burning your flag, taking away your bible, taking away your gun or taking away your insurance.
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I hope conservatives spend all day at that every day until November. By then they’ll be bored and know that nothing bad happened. Some people got some health insurance and that’s it.

Patrick,
You lie again. There are people on FOX who believe in Climate Change and a few who believe in abortion.
Why is telling the truth so difficult for you?

By the way I’m a young 71 not 73.

And history is a subject in which I have a lot of knowledge.
I guess I caught you in another lie. Your nose must be 2 foot long by now.

The truth will set you free and boy do you need it.

3X,
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Not that it matters if you are 71, 73 or 13 years old, but, I never said that you were 73 years old.
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3X born 1938.
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High school class of 1956.
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Naval service 1956 to 1960.
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College 1960 to 1964.
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As it happens, abortion is the only major issue I agree with conservatives about. I did not mention abortion.
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I did not say Fox was pro-life.
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I did not lie.
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You must have been raised by some really awful, uncivilized people if you think it is acceptable to call people liars all of the time.
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I know about Fox, but I do not have a TV. I am watching the TV show Criminal Minds on a CD right now.
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It reminds me of you.
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I never specifically told you that I am Caucasian, so, be careful who you call boy, you don’t know anything about the people you chat with.
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No, no body part of mine grows to two feet long, that really would be too big.
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So, are you done making up random sht?

It seems to me that 3xfire3 hasn’t learned a thing in his 71 years on this planet.
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He doesn’t know what propaganda is, and he certainly know no history whatsoever.
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FYI 3xfire3, it was me who done sayed you was 73! I done dood the deed! Ahyuh, ahyuh!
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As for “truth”, you speak like one who has indeed met the Messiah.
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And found that he was bald, fat, has a radio talk show, and very, very uh, white…

Long before November, they will all fall into a corner, panting, thoroughly spent by the long hours, days, and weeks of recreational fury…

Pres. Bush’s speechwriter, David Frum said,” The GOP now works for Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.”
At least Coburn has the guts to be his own man!!

Patrick,
I believe this is your quote from 17.2.
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On Fox there is no climate change and evolution is still “just” a theory.
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As I said there are people on FOX who believe in Climate Change. That was your lie.

Believe me that the conservatives in the 50s and early 60s were just as horrendous. There just wasn’t the internet as part of their megaphone.
Remember whole careers were ruined by HUAC and McCarthy. Some people committed suicide. I had to take a loyalty oath to teach. It was the same tactics..fear, fear, fear.
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Goldwater and others were trying to outdo each other on the right wing cred. Goldwater became liberated when he left the Senate and was no longer collared by a extreme right he helped create.
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I enjoyed Bill Buckley’s show and his debates with the left. But again, he helped create the right wing fear mongering later disavowed by his son.
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What there wasn’t was an extreme religious right as part of the political process. That connection was fostered by Reagan.
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McCarthy and the extreme Repulican wing was finally rejected by the country. That’s what I mean when I say we don’t learn from history.

3X,
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I do not know every detail about an offensively inaccurate and bias news network.
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You are so damn eager to use the word “liar”.
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Here is my point: the quality of you posts has dramatically deteriorated.
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There is no doubt that the profile of the person or persons making threats to members of congress is that of a Tea Party member as Joe Stack was associated with the Tea Party before he went on a suicide mission against the IRS in Austin, Texas.
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It is horrible journalism to treat scientific facts such as evolution and global warming as issues to be debated instead. Fox does this.
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You have not expressed a clear understanding of economics. You have a very unrealistic and idealistic view of how working people live today. You do not debate fairly. You throw out insults alongside Freeinpa and Newfreedomblog who have, already, been long discredited as people who wish to make a nuisance of themselves.
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You have no credibility and are very eager to call everybody a liar.
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Why are you wasting your time?
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You have a family, former business associates and a church. Why go to a place where you do nothing but make irritating remarks which are totally unfounded?

Apr,
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The ones I am thinking of are Eisenhower, Nixon (politically only, not his lack of respect for the law), Ford and Rockefeller as reasonable Republicans.
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Nixon created OSHA and the EPA.
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He didn’t go after welfare recipients (as Reagan’s talk of “welfare queens”) fail to keep up the minimum wage or abolish affirmative action.
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His problem was that he did his own Karl Rove work himself. So, every time he won an election forty something percent of the public was infuriated with him and eager to find out about any of his flaws more than other presidents and his extreme overreaction to it creating “the plumbers” and covering up for watergate.
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McCarthy I am aware of and know was bad enough that he made GWB seem reasonable. However, Eisenhower didn’t like McCarthy or McCarthyism.
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How long was HUAC and it’s counterpart in in the Senate? I thought it was only about three years.
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Right now the level of misinformation and Republican obstructionism is the worst I, personally, am aware of.
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Religion was a terrible thing to add into that mix since paranoia and religious devotion just have this exponential effect.
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Did you ever see Jesus Camp? It was a great documentary and in the additional features on the CD it shows one of the women who it focused on at the preview believing without any doubt beforehand that she and her Summer camp would have been cheered on rather than disliked. It was not done in a way that the actual conservatives objected to including Ted Haggard.
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Also, I recommend, if you have not seen it, The Power of Nightmares. It was totally different but, also, excellent.

I’ve been hearing explosions here in Oklahoma! I went to find out what it was and determined it was Fox News disciple’s heads exploding ALL OVER OUR STATE!

Our Senator called out Fox News? Tom Coburn? Hell has frozen over, indeed. I guess he wants to ensure he isn’t blamed when one of Fox News slack jawed viewers does something violent urged on by Glenn Beck having them believe it is up to them to save our nation from communism?

Coburn has a lot of penance to do, as far as I’m concerned, for being Dr. No and holdling up unemployment legislation. As his constituent I called and asked his office why Coburn supported ENDING the “Estate Tax” or what conservatives like to call “The Death Tax” when it ballooned the deficit and benefited a minority of the ultra wealthy, but is a big deficit hawk when comes to unemployed workers and their kids who need to be fed. I asked them how those workers were going to feed their kids. The answer I got? First, they claimed Coburn’s opposition to the estate tax had nothing to do with unemployment insurance and “I don’t know…” was how they responded to my asking how the unemployed would feed their kids.

One other thing I find distasteful is Coburn wants the unemployment money to come from the very money that is supposed to be used to stimulate our economy. Obviously, he just wants to see our economy stop recovering so Republicans can say, “See, we told ya so! The stimulus didn’t work!”

and I can’t wait for “The Daily Show” !!!

I’ve been hearing explosions here in Oklahoma! I went to find out what it was and determined it was Fox News disciple’s heads exploding ALL OVER OUR STATE!
Our Senator called out Fox News? Tom Coburn? Hell has frozen over, indeed. I guess he wants to ensure he isn’t blamed when one of Fox News slack jawed viewers does something violent urged on by Glenn Beck having them believe it is up to them to save our nation from communism / socialism or some other threat, like gay marriage…, to our Democracy?

Coburn has a lot of penance to do, as far as I’m concerned, for being “Dr. No” and holdling up unemployment legislation. As his constituent I called and asked his office why Coburn supported ENDING the “Estate Tax” or what conservatives like to call “The Death Tax” when it ballooned the deficit and benefited a minority of the ultra wealthy, but is a big deficit hawk when comes to the poor and unemployed workers and their kids who need to be fed. I asked them how those workers were going to feed their kids. The answer I got? First, they claimed Coburn’s opposition to the estate tax had nothing to do with unemployment insurance and “I don’t know…” was how they responded to my asking how the unemployed would feed their kids.

One other thing I find distasteful is Coburn wants the unemployment money to come from the very money that is supposed to be used to stimulate our economy. Obviously, he just wants to see our economy stop recovering so Republicans can say, “See, we told ya so! The stimulus didn’t work!” I know the Doctor studied Keynesian Economic theory and to use stimulus funds for unemployment benefits is way too transparent a Republican move to sabotage any chance of an economic recovery for political purposes.

bwahahahhaaa!

Exactly!

He is “dead meat” for doing that… Republican Fox News viewers here in Oklahoma are going to go ballistic. It totally ruins their entire carefully crafted message to have “Dr. No” say these things.

Of course, I’m waiting for Coburn to get threatened and say he really didn’t mean anything he said, and was suffering from temporary insanity.

Here was the point: Congress – the Democrats – had just pledged not to spend money unless they offset the new spending with a cut to a different program or a tax increase. The extension to unemployment was the first test of this new pledge. Guess what? The Democrats immediately ignored their pledge and increased the debt. This is what he was standing up against when he filibustered against the extension of unemployment . Yet the Left ignored the reason and attacked the messenger.

That moment has passed. He must now try to repair the damage by appearing to move to the Left.

In both cases, the message and rationale are completely missed. The first instance he stood for principle. The second, he stood to recover voter sympathy.

I suppose this is above the heads of most of you. Anyhow, I tried.

Coburn, being who he is, does not have to worry what anyone says about him. He’s got cojones and gravitas, and I can name only about two other Republicans and zero Democrats in the Senate who that can be said of.

The truth is that Fox News Channel is a terrible cable news channel. But CNN is worse, MSNBC is far worse. Sorry, Shepard Smith, but your show is more entertainment than news. Bret Baier, your show is better than anything on NBC, CBS, or ABC; and if I could only watch one news channel for one hour each day, then yours would be the one. But really, the only timely presentation of news on FNC is the crawl across the bottom of the screen.

For a funny take on the some of the Fox News bunch as well a couple of others, you may to read an article at: http://funks2.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/a-barfly-is-a-barfly-is-a-barfly-limbaugh-beck-levin-and-hannity/

I think it’s funny anyway. I wrote it. Enjoy.!

Amazing amount of drool being spilled here, beginning with the author of the blog.

Patrick,
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You’re pulling this stuff out of you’re a*s and claiming it as truth. An Honest person would never do that.
I’m going to give you the honesty test one more time and see if you can pass it.
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You said Tea Part Members have killed people.
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Now without 4 paragraphs of Bull Sh*t. Do you have indisputable proof that this is true or not.
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Answer Yes or No.
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If your answer is Yes than state the indisputable proof. No BS about detectives in NYC who think possible a Tea Party member might have killed someone.
You are an intelligent person. You know what proof means.
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Don’t make a fool out of yourself in front of all your Liberal friends by thronging out more BS as you did in several prior posts.
Answer the question honestly.

Obama going to pay my house payment.
Obama got me health insurance, fast
Obama going to get me a bigger welfare check.
Senator Tom he like Nancy Pelosi.
She just fine.
Happy Day, oh Happy Day!

This is Time/Cnn they’s the droolingest.

I have no arguments with the senator’s comments, if he would add MSNBC which can’t even spell “fair & balanced.”

Ain’t above my head, but this makes about as much sense as the Prez does.
He must now try to repair the damage by appearing to move to the Left.

3x,

After reading all the posts on here I noticed that you are very big on truth and evidence. Right now you are asking for evidence to support a point. So I ask, and correct me if I am wrong, are you suggesting that the reports of verbal and physical threats and attacks by the Tea Party are false? Even members of the Republican Party have addressed these reports, so do you have evidence to the contrary, and if so, why isn’t this information public? Or are you merely saying that the Tea Party hasn’t killed anyone?

Also, I like to collect links to credible sources that support or contradict claims made about politics and political figures. You posted the following:

“Read some of the comments made by Mark Lloyd the Czar Obama put into the FCC.
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I think you will be shocked at his views of controls he believes should be put on the national media. Lloyd also has expressed on many occasions how much he likes Chavez and how much he agrees with his media polices.
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If Obama doesn’t share these views why did he put him at the FCC?”

Would you please post a link to those comments by Lloyd? I admit that I know absolutely nothing about this particular subject and would love the opportunity to see for myself what was or was not said. As you are big on truth and evidence, surely you won’t mind posting this information. Needless to say, failure to do so would severely damage your credibility.

Did Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990, and again possibly in 1998? He has still not come clean on those alleged crimes, but damn, Coburn sure looks guilty as sin in aiding and abetting crimes much worse than what Glenn Beck has still not commented on possibly doing.

Shame on you Coburn! In some ways you’re even worse than the (alleged) rapist and murderer Glenn Beck.

3X,
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In addition to well documented cases of misdemeanor harassment on the day of the vote 100% of law enforcement suspects mentally unstable people influenced by the Tea Party and/or members of the Tea Party.
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Between now and up to twenty five years from now when each and every person making a threat and/or committing an act of violence is convicted, the most probable answer is that it is either directly or indirectly tied to members of the Tea Party.
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Nobody said that it involved all of the Tea Party.
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No reasonable person can possibly suspect anybody liberal or progressive in doing those things.
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You are incredibly eager to call people liars.
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When the weather report is wrong, do you call up the TV station or radio station and call them liars?
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It is incredibly unlikely that it is anybody expect people a part of or influenced by the Tea Party.
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I am not withdrawing that statement.

Charlie,
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When was this pledge made by Democrats?
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Pledging to a policy like when the Gingrich who stole Christmas took out his contract on America was about pledging.
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Deficit spending to get us out of a recession while revenues are down has been a practice for more than seventy five years.
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When Bush cut taxes without an offset but, instead, attacking Iraq with no plans to finance it through any means when the Clinton Administration had cut the debt to all time record low levels and left him with a good economy, that was what Democrats found irresponsible.
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If Republicans really want a balanced budget that badly, please advocate for higher taxes because the huge majority of Americans voted for Democrats with the plan in mind to provide more services to the poor.
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Provide a link to that so-called Democratic pledge promising an absolute refusal to ever be involved in deficit spending or admit that it does not exist.

Liberals have ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBS pimping for them yet they whine about FOX. Do they really want complete dominance over the news? What does that say about them? What are they so afraid of?

Count how often the MSM media brings in a liberal without bringing in a conservative to debate them. Professional journalists do not do that.
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Fox consistently brings in conservatives without a liberal to debate them.
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Hence, Fox is about, since you like the term “pimping” Republicans while MSM is about bringing you two opposing views where you must come to the conclusion yourself.
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MSM does not think on your behalf. You have to do your own thinking.
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Fox determines when or if they will bring in anybody from an opposing point of view since they believe that given two options Americans are too stupid to make a good decision.
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If you like seeing one side of the story and to see it include “death panels” and other false information, enjoy being told bedtime stories by Fox. They’ll tell you all about how the Republicans are the good guys, the poor and Democrats are big bag guys and then tell you exactly what to do and tuck you in at night.

To patricksartor,
Here is the referred to “pledge”:

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/81405-pay-go-gets-passed-then-it-gets-bypassed

“…the huge majority of Americans voted for Democrats with the plan in mind to provide more services to the poor.”

Democrats who believe the landslide win in the last election was a sign that people wanted bigger government and higher taxes are delusional. Th vote was against the people who brought high unemployment.

How much do you want to bet that these same Democrats will be voted out in another landslide because they believed as you do, that this election was about obtaining bigger government and higher taxes?

Charlie,
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This is The Budget Enforcement Act of 1990.
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So, creating exceptions to this non-biding resolution is something both parties have been guilty of.
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“Rep. Jim Matheson (D-Utah), the Blue Dog Coalition’s top spokesman, said any spending deserving of the emergency tag must be temporary.”
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“Democrats who believe the landslide win in the last election was a sign that people wanted bigger government and higher taxes are delusional.”
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June 20th 2009:
“Americans overwhelmingly support substantial changes to the health care system and are strongly behind one of the most contentious proposals Congress is considering, a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/health/policy/21poll.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=Health%20care%20reform%20poll&st=cse
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50% of all Republicans and 72% of all people in that survey supported health care reform.
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http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/06/21/health/policy/21poll_graphic_ready.html
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“Delusional” is what I believe would be describe that the “death panel”/”16,500 armed IRS agents” Republicans are if they think such completely untrue information is going to lead to anything other than long term losses.
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Even if there are setbacks in 2010, which is possible, Republicans will not have a majority.
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Republicans are in shock that the majority have spoken and want the government to be useful in exchange for higher taxes for the wealthiest (as was the case before Reagan – the top bracket was 70% before Reagan).

Everyone should remember that FOX was the chanel that won a supreem court decision allowing them to lie to the public in news programs.

This was in the 1980s and about the hormone used to make cows produce more milk.

Two on air pundits (in Florida) refused to read the scripted lies and were fired by FOX.They filed suit and went all the way to the supreem court, and lost. They did not get their jobs back.

Since then, only fools would believe anything FOX brodcasts, at least until outside verification by checking other sources.

Perhaps everyone would believe that, Reggiewhitefish, if it was true.

According to reliable sources, the Fox News Channel was launched on October 7, 1996.

Have you been drinking some bad milk?

Correction; The suit was filed in the 1990s….. More info at-foxbghsuit.com

Here you go:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Akre
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“Jane Akre and her husband Steve Wilson are former employees of Fox-owned-and-operated station WTVT in Tampa, Florida. In 1997, they were fired from the station after refusing to knowingly include false information in their report concerning the Monsanto Company’s production of RBGH, a drug designed to make cows produce more milk. They successfully sued under Florida’s whistle-blower law and were awarded a US $425,000 settlement by jury decision. However, Fox appealed to an appellate court and won, after the court declared that the FCC policy against falsification that Fox violated was just a policy and not a “law, rule, or regulation”, and so the whistle-blower law did not apply.[1]”
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So, yes, beginning in 1997 Fox had won making use of the first amendment to be the right to lie on television while pretending to be giving the news.

Hey, 3X, if you are anything more than a blowhard hypocrite, you can now use your favorite words “Lie!” and “Liar!”
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Unfortunately for you, it will not be directed against MSM or the left, but, the idols you worship at Faux News

Interesting website, Reggie. You even have a copy of the complaint:

COMPLAINT

[DECLARATORY RELIEF AND JURY TRIAL SOUGHT]

PLAINTIFFS, STEVE WILSON and JANE AKRE, sue the DEFENDANT, NEW WORLD COMMUNICATIONS OF TAMPA, INC., doing business as WTVT Channel 13, Tampa and further allege as follows… yadda yadda yadda

I don’t know anything about New World Communications of Tampa, Florida — but I can clearly see that it is not Fox News Channel and it is not Newscorp Inc.

So your original claim is false in its totality. If you’re going to make up bogus accusations, then you should have invented some bogus evidence to support your claim — instead of linking to a genuine court document that destroys your own argument.

Patrick,
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Since you have now proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are a dishonest person, I will no longer waste my time discussing any subject with you. You can go right on telling lies to support your political views [warped as they are].
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To make statements that a Tea Party member has killed someone and than be unable to come up with any real proof this is true is total ignorance. Then to refuse to admit you were wrong shows what a loon you really are.

All your rambling BS says nothing of consequence. You just tell more lies and then try to cover you’re a*s with irrelevant BS.
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Any of you Left wing Loons who try to support Patrick in his lies are just as bad as he is and you are undeserving of any respect.

One has to take pause and seriously wonder if the current political dynamic in Washington isn’t the result of one very shrewd President Clinton.

Knowing full well that the Republican party is reactionary in nature, he pushed them to the right (because they always have to be on the right of the Democrats) only to find less and less space to maneuver in. He calculated their momentum would eventually drive them off a cliff.

Don’t think so? Go and revisit President Clinton’s pedigree. Even though he came up through the ranks in Arkansas, he spent many years with American blue bloods. He knows what they want and how they think.

I get support?
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3X, this is a place where strangers discuss ideas.
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We don’t know each other and do not support each other.
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Anybody who has said anything similar to what I have said have said so due to having the same idea that I have, not out of personal support.
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It seems very obvious that you have been reading and watching liars on your TV and are so baffled that you turn on anybody who is more familiar with the fact.

I am the son of a conservative, a registered Republican for all his life. I am a thoroughly-tested liberal Democrat. Throughout my adult life he and I have had debate after debate, and often those debates extended to others in the family, other friends, others in our community. I learned a lot from him, respected every view.

My dad died when he was 88, but I know one thing: He’d be appalled by the rhetoric, the name-calling, the bitterness, and the hardness of those who now call themselves “conservative” or “Republican.”

People on this forum are reflective of a new kind of “conservative,” a hate-filled and bitter kind. All they seem to do is to hurl invective. I am disappointed that the party and view of my father has so disintegrated, so devolved. My father would be, too.

Jim,
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Clinton lost HCR.
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He was shrewd to become the Third way candidate and win.
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Obama took single payer health care and took it until it became a proposal by Bob Dole.
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He, not Clinton, drove Republicans off of a cliff.
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Clinton failed to do that.
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They dominated six years of his eight years in office.
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Obama’s administration learned from Clinton’s mistakes and this mid-term will be provide very few gains, if any, for Republicans as well as a long-term loss of credibility.

The difference between today’s Republicans and the ones back even in the 1980s are a different breed.
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It was like when a guy wants to buy a really cool car but his wife comes along.
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He would want the best, and, bit by bit, she would discourage all of the expensive things.
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In the end they’d get a cheaper sports car with four seats so the kids could all fit in, but, they got a sports car.
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Today’s conservatives aren’t about slimming down liberal proposals, they are bout destroying progress.
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It’s now more like an ex-wife in a bitter divorce setting her husband’s new sports car on fire.
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If there were some way conservatives could go somewhere else and form there own country without taxes or regulation, it would be much appreciated considering that they hate the majority of Americans so much.

“Republicans are in shock that the majority have spoken and want the government to be useful in exchange for higher taxes for the wealthiest (as was the case before Reagan – the top bracket was 70% before Reagan).”

Oh my. What will this gent do when the Democrats are squashed in November? I suppose he does not know that the top 1% of earners pay 37% of all taxes today, and that the top 10% of earners pay 68% of all taxes, and the lower 47% of the U.S. population pay no federal taxes at all. Those rich are really getting away with murder!

PS. Just GOOGLE on “who pays taxes’ and see all of the numbers.

Somebody else found far better stats than that.
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The top 1% used to pay far more than that.
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What you have told me is that we have no scratched the surface of what this government can do when Republicans don’t make any gains in 2010 and get smashed in 2012.
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Look just on the Swamp. There are so many sources to show you that we are not the left, we are the mainstream.
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Sorry Charlie, I’ll send you some tissues in November.

jbaustain, Thanks for your reply.

Item no.17 of the complaint clearly states that the parent company of New world communications is newscorp. It is also mentioned several times on the site that the station is wholly owned and operated by FOX.

I did a word search through that document and did not find “Fox News Channel” anywhere. Also, I did not find the name of Roger Ailes, who has been president of FNC since the beginning.
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Fox News Channel, Newscorp, nor any other divisions of Newscorp were listed as defendants, only the company that ran that station in Tampa.
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Your attempt to target Fox News Channel, for what a local station did in Florida, is ludicrous. Newscorp also owns The Times (UK), The Australian, about 20 other newspapers in Australia, the New York Post, satellite networks, publishing houses, and dozens of other ventures. Are all of these to blame for what some station manager did in Florida, when he was threatened by a New York law firm?
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Give it up, Reggie.

jbaustin, The letter from Monsanto attorney John J. Walsh of feb. 21,1997 to stop the brodcast by WTVT was addressed to Roger Ailes and listed as “exibit C” in section 17 of the legal complaint.

A second letter by John J. Walsh on same subject was sent to Roger Ailes on feb. 28, 1997 and copied to WTVT news director Daniel Webster. Explained in section 22 and listed as “exibit E” in the complaint.

“Exibit F” is a letter on Fox Television Stations Inc. letterhead by attorney Caroyn Y. Forrest to the plaintiffs and listed as in section 26.

The WTVT website calls itself Fox 13 and says it is a “fox television incorporated web site”.

Why is it that I can find this info, and much more (except the station website info) on the same link I provided for your use, but you can’t?

Reggie: I could write a letter to the chairman of General Electric, or the president of NBC/Universal, and ask them to get rid of the news anchor at my local NBC affiliate station.
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But, having sent such a letter would not constitute any sort of proof that GE or NBC/Universal was responsible for the actions taken by the local TV station.
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Many local affiliates include the network’s name in the banner. This is only to help viewers find the right network for the programming they want to watch. Again, these FOX affiliates have nothing to do with Fox News Channel, though sometimes a by a local reporter will be picked up by FNC.
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Remember your original allegation: FOX did this and FOX did that, so everything your hear on FOX NEWS CHANNEL is false? Are you familiar with the basic elements of logic? “If A, then B” requires that there be at least some tiny connection between A and B.

jbaustian, As reported on the web site foxbghsuit.com, and verified on wikipedia here by patricksartor, station WTVT is owned and operated by fox television inc. The price paid is stated as 3 billion dollers.

That is why the attorney for monsanto writes to Roger Ailes and copies to the station manager. And why out of state attorneys (writing on fox television letterhead paper) represented the corporation against the reporters.

The web site also states that fox appealed the jury decision to the higher court. Where it was overturned on a technicality.

I don’t believe you could have read the offered proof and still not understand the reality of this case.

Regardless, it is easy to prove fox news lies, they lie almost daily….. But there are those who will not see.

jbaustian, I accidently placed my reply at #40.

Reggie, Fox Television Inc is not Fox News Channel. Roger Ailes is not the president of Fox Television Inc, he is the president of Fox New Channel.
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I have no idea why a lawyer for Monsanto would write to Ailes; he is not affiliated in any way with the defendant.
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I actually have not read the “proof” because you have told me enough. You clearly do not recognize that there are several different entities with Fox in the name. But the Fox News Channel is a completely separate company. Roger Ailes does not oversee any local TV stations, or the entertainment network, or the 20th Century Fox fim company, or the Newscorp-owned WSJ, or any of the newspapers in the US, the UK, Australia and New Zealand that Newscorp owns.
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This is not terribly complicated. You are intentionally pretending that two separate companies are the same company. I can’t help you anymore — you have dug yourself into this hole of deception and there’s no way out except to say, “Sorry, I was mistaken.”

jbaustian, Your stubbornness has moved me to further reserch.

From newscorp web site: Roger Ailes is CEO of newscorp. Newscorp is parent company of several other corporations including fox television inc. WTVT is one of 27 stations owned and operated by fox television inc.

Although Roger Ailes does not oversee operations at WTVT, the monsanto attorney’s letter to him resulted in immediate (that day) action by the station to drop the report planned for brodcast the next business day. As would be expected in chain of command structures such as this.

Your contention that a TV station owned and operated by a division of a vast corporate web is not doing what the top management wants done is ridiculous. Without doubt, programing from corporate headquarters and orders from corporate headquarters are followed precisely, as is required in all management systems. Failure to follow corporate policy or orders should result in termination, and in fact did with the two on air pundits who refused to read “news” that they knew to be false.

As far as I can determine, these facts were never questioned during the court case, and the jury found for the reporters. The higher court overturned on a technicality that was not accepted by the lower court as sufficent when presented there.

Nice to see that Time is keeping such high journalistic standards. Nice going TIME – don’t just report the news, push your bias.