Despite Administration “Win,” Some Sick Kids Will Remain Uninsured

Policy can never be separated from politics and this morning we got another reminder.

After the New York Times reported yesterday that insurers might try to avoid issuing policies for kids with pre-existing conditions – despite that the reform law meant to prohibit this – the AP reports this today:

After nearly a year battling President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats over the health care overhaul, the insurance industry says it won’t block the administration’s efforts to fix a potentially embarrassing glitch in the new law.

In a letter to Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, the industry’s top lobbyist said Monday insurers will accept new regulations to dispel uncertainty over a much-publicized guarantee that children with medical problems can get coverage starting this year.

Quick resolution of the doubts was a win for Obama — and a sign that the industry has no stomach for another war of words with a president who deftly used double-digit rate hikes by the companies to revive his sweeping health care legislation from near collapse in Congress.

A “win” for Obama? Well yes. The Administration is enjoying a day of headlines trumpeting its victory over insurance companies. The headline in Politico’s daily health care e-mail blast was “SEBELIUS LAYS DOWN THE LAW.” Pretty tough stuff. Plus, the clarification means Democrats will still be able to tout this immediate benefit of health reform during this year’s congressional campaigns. But is it a win for sick kids who can’t get insurance coverage? Maybe, in some cases.

Although insurers have promised to sell insurance policies to families with kids with pre-existing conditions, there is nothing to stop the insurance companies from charging whatever they want. Until 2014, insurers will still be allowed to set premiums rates in the individual market based on health status. For a kid with a bad health status – like cystic fibrosis, say, or cancer – that means very high premiums that families might still not find affordable. Insurers are not going to simply absorb the cost of covering these expensive cases; they will pass the expenses on to policy holders.

Of course, there aren’t many kids in this situation. The vast majority of kids with pre-existing conditions are covered by Medicaid, CHIP or employer-sponsored insurance. Only about 10% of children are uninsured and only a small percentage get their coverage in the individual market, where the pre-existing exclusion issue matters. But the parents of an uninsured middle-class kid with cancer are still going to face a pretty tough financial challenge buying coverage on the open market.

The pre-existing exclusion clarification is a start at helping these families, but it’s by no means a complete solution. In other words, a loophole remains and it’s one that won’t be closed for four more years.

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  • newfreedomblog

    “For a kid with a bad health status – like cystic fibrosis, say, or cancer – that means very high premiums that families might still not find affordable. Insurers are not going to simply absorb the cost of covering these expensive cases; they will pass the expenses on to policy holders.”

    .
    Ms Pickert, have you taken the time to ask our Democrats in the White House why they did not simply write into this legislation that “any child could qualify for Medicaid, despite what their parents may make in wages or have in assets?”
    .
    This seems to be a very simply solution for this problem, don’t you think Ms. Pickert? Like you said, “only 10% or so of the children who would face this potential problem would be affected”. But, in light of providing healthcare to all children, and we know how important that is, why wouldn’t the Democrats put language in this new law that would have covered these poor defenseless children? How many of the 10% you cite are from famiies making less than $250 thousand dollars per year? Are you speaking of children whose families make less than that? More than that? What average wage for a family are you speaking about Ms Pickert? Do you have those figures and statistics?
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    I suppose those policy holders should just go ahead and bite the bullet so to speak and pay a higher premium, right? Will our premiums rise by 30%? 40% or more?

  • nflfoghorn

    Conceivably, the originator of HCR could be out of a job by 2014. A Repub could, again conceivably, scrap the whole thing or at least prevent further implementation. Then who’s gonna help the kids in need?

  • destor23

    An expansion of Medicaid, Medicare, CHIP or a public option would have solved this problem entirely but people advocating for that were not treated as serious participants in the debate.

  • nflfoghorn

    Dude, you didn’t even want what we got now. Why you going all righteous all of a sudden?

  • jeffkoke

    I’m not sure what the issue is here. Isn’t being able to purchase an expensive policy better than not being able to get insurance at all? Isn’t an expensive policy that covers cancer or cystic fibrosis treatments better than personally having to shoulder the costs of those treatments?
    .
    This post seems unnecessarily contrarian, Kate.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Dude, you didn’t even want what we got now. Why you going all righteous all of a sudden?”

    .
    Well Einstein, it’s like this. Had the Democrats taken the time to write a bill which would have covered all the “poor defenseless children”, and if they truly wanted to pass a bill which would benefit most everyone, one would think they would have solved this problem.
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    Why do the Democrats and Liberals hate the middle class children so much, foghorn?

  • gysgt213

    “Ms Pickert, have you taken the time to ask our Democrats in the White House why they did not simply write into this legislation that “any child could qualify for Medicaid, despite what their parents may make in wages or have in assets?”
    .
    Good question, but why limit it to the democrats? Don’t the republicans have some sense of duty to the most vunerable of us all? I’m sure if the republicans had raised it the democrats would have embraced it.

  • pogoshrugged

    Single payer was and is the obvious solution.

  • mikew67

    Fox “news” has had the story running since Saturday.

    They reported a claim of the insurance industry, that the law in does not require them to insure all children, as a factual item. “It’s not in the bill”

    It is time for someone in Media Inc. to assemble the entire body of anti-reform statements from Palin, Dick Armey, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Rush Limbaugh and all the GOP apologists of Fox News.

    The trail will be very short from that dossier, to the Teahadists who have broken the law with death threats and vandalism this week.

    “Violence on both sides”? No.

    That cannard requires the false premise: “There’s anger on both sides”

    There is little motive for Progressives to be vandalizing and threatening. They won. For once they forced sitting Dems to dig in rather than cave in. Very happy campers just now.

    However there is plenty of motive for GOP’ers to stage such acts against their own – dire need of damage-control they are in this week.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Hands up: who thinks that if the Dems had done that, Rustyblog (and, well, all of the Right Wing gasbags) would’ve spent his efforts demonizing the Democratic reform effort as anti-Capitalist? How many think the line would be something like: “the Democrats are taking away your child’s insurance and putting you under the fist of Obama’s government dictate. Your child will be forced to participate in Obama’s socialist agenda by accepting government run health care.”?

  • newfreedomblog

    Is a policy which you can now purchase that costs over 60% of your monthly wage a fair price, jeffkoke? How about 80% of your monthly wage? Is that fair?
    .

    “Isn’t being able to purchase an expensive policy better than not being able to get insurance at all?”

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    So what do you think is an “expensive policy”, jeffkoke?
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    You see jeffkoke, had the Democrats passed legislation which tackled the problem of health care COSTS, passed legislation which would have brought down the yearly cost of a good policy then Democrats could crow like crazy about their new healthcare law. Unfortunately what we shall be left with now is a very expensive healthcare system and healthcare policies that no one will be able to afford. Especially a family who has a child with a pre-existing condition like “cancer or cystic fibrosis”. But, we only have a few years to wait, I think it is what 2014? Then we get to apply for the “exchanges”? Could you live for the next 3+ years spending more than half your salary on a family health insurance policy, jeffkoke?
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    Is your “expensive policy” gonna help a family with a policy costing 50% of the family monthy wage, will they still have to move out of their home in order to afford it? Cut back on food they buy? Sell a car? Give up cable TV?

  • justmy02cents

    Mikew67,

    righteous anger on the right, orders from the Whitehouse to the SEIU on the left…both sides promulgate anger….

    Motivation is the key….there is no “grand poo bah” on the right like Axelrod and Emanuel on the left playing “Chicago-style”

    on another … seems you are slipping into your YODA personification:

    “dire need of damage-control they are in this week”

    just a joke…no need to get your shorts in a wad

  • nflfoghorn

    The whole enchilada has some holes in it, admittedly. SCHIP is supposed to take care of most kids with PEC, but I’m certain Dem leaders did what they had to to get something of benefit passed. I don’t think it’ll be four years down the road before another Congress fixes this.
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    That being said, you can’t tell me that even if a perfect solution was in place, you’d be all for it.

  • m0mentom0ri

    2cents,
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    “there is no “grand poo bah” on the right like Axelrod and Emanuel on the left playing “Chicago-style”
    .
    If only the right had someone like, say, Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh, who could spend endless hours spewing disinformation and riling up the masses to protest against their own self interests. Or even better, a whole TV network that could play that role! If only…
    .
    “orders from the Whitehouse to the SEIU on the left”
    .
    You left out George Soros and the Illuminati. -3 points. Lose any more points and they’ll take away your John Birch Society membership card.
    .
    “righteous anger on the right”
    .
    You say “righteous anger”, I say “nihilistic whining”. Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.

  • nflfoghorn

    Waiting for that GOP alternative plan, also…
    .
    [more crickets]

  • anon76

    Apparently rustyblog was one of them. He just must have been using his inside voice so that none of us could hear him.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “I suppose those policy holders should just go ahead and bite the bullet so to speak and pay a higher premium, right? Will our premiums rise by 30%? 40% or more?”
    .
    Thank you NewFreedom™ for concisely demonstrating why we need universal health care and a removal of the insurance companies continued skimming off of critical health care spending.

  • anon76

    I agree with Rusty 100%- we should have enacted some form of either single payer or other price setting to actually control costs. Of course, in that case Rusty would have been back to screaming about socialized medicine and death panels.

  • anon76

    You say “righteous anger”, I say “nihilistic whining”. Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.

    More like “Po-ta-toe, po-ta-to”, as in the former is deliberately inaccurate, the latter, not so much.

  • conversets

    Aren’t there “high risk pools” that begin this year to lower the cost–somewhat–for these situations?

  • homerhk

    Speaking as a lawyer, I have yet to come across a statute written yet that doesn’t have a loophole. Why do you think that there are so many lawyers and why do you think there are so many judges (all of whom, by the way – be they liberal or conservative – are activist judges)?

    Isn’t the question whether what is in place through this law better than the status quo?

  • shepherdwong

    In other words, a loophole remains and it’s one that won’t be closed for four more years.”

    You mean the “loophole” that private, for-profit, health insurance corporations still control the health care system of the United States? Let them keep screwing cancer-stricken children and bankrupting American families and maybe people will wake up and make their congresscritters close that “loophole” once and for all.

  • stuartzechman

    Rustyblog:
    .
    When did you become a socialist?

  • grape_crush

    …a loophole remains and it’s one that won’t be closed for four more years.

    So…there’s absolutely no way to fix it before then? Or did someone in the Dem Congressional leadership say that they aren’t touching it? Or is it that it might be a non-issue, as the community-rating provisions of the health care reform bill should help control those types of costs?

    I imagine that there will be many such loopholes found in this less than complete and imperfect bill.

  • anon76

    @SZ
    When it serviced his incoherent argument to pretend to be one!

    This has been another yada yada yada.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    No, there isn’t a grand poo bah, an actual leader on the right, which actually speaks quite succinctly at how little leadership exists on the right. The Tea Party (to some degree, spurned by Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh) started running in a single direction and the Republicans just went “I better hurry so I can lead them”.

  • nibblybits

    I agree with you wholeheartedly. This is far from a perfect bill; it can’t be, there were too many compromises that had to be made. (That is not a complaint; those compromises were necessary to get the bill passed.) It’s easy for patzers in the cheap seats to find cracks in it.
    .
    But those cracks are smaller and narrower than before the President signed this bill. This bill does a lot. And hopefully it will continue to be improved upon as time goes on.

  • earljr1

    Further evidence that this bill should have been scrapped and COMPLETELY redone! It is deeply flawed, overly expensive (through bad legislation) and will cause considerable harm to our existing health care system. Are you ready for LONG waits, America? Are you ready for innumerable break downs and physicians who buck this horrendous bill, by refusing to accept any new patients on medicare or medicaid? Physicians were largely ignored when this bill was RUSHED through so democrats could claim victory. Congratulations, you got what you wanted, now take a number and wait. (up to 44 days in Massachusetts)

  • nibblybits

    I don’t know if that’s true. Any of those options would mean putting the cost of these most expensive children on the taxpayers rather than the private insurers.
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    I think the administration made a conscious tradeoff here: the mandate for 32 million more customers but the insurers had to assume the cost of caring for even the most expensive children’s care. If the option of a public option were there, it would be too easy for insurers to take the new customers and foist off the most expensive ones onto the public rolls.
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    Of course, the insurers will still try to get out of it, as they are doing now. And it will be up to Sibelius (and whoever is going to run the program) to bully the insurers to take these children on and pay for their care.

  • nibblybits

    And if there are no long waits? No harm to our existing health care system? No breakdowns? Will you relax then?
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    (The AMA endorsed the bill.)

  • earljr1

    The AMA represents fewer than 30% of all physicians and even among that number, there were MANY who disapproved of this endorsement (myself, included). The vast majority of physicians opposed this bill, as written. We can accept it, or choose not to and if we choose not to…..then good luck on making it work.

  • nibblybits

    earl, I don’t doubt that what you say is true, that many individual doctors oppose such changes.
    .
    Without maligning the fine doctors of our country, many benefit from the high and inefficient cost of care in this country. Why do our per patient cost run 1.5x the next highest country’s and 2x that of Japan’s? Doctors should have to be involved in trying to explain that and be part of the solution in bringing that cost down.

  • Ivy_B

    Of course, there aren’t many kids in this situation. The vast majority of kids with pre-existing conditions are covered by Medicaid, CHIP or employer-sponsored insurance. Only about 10% of children are uninsured and only a small percentage get their coverage in the individual market, where the pre-existing exclusion issue matters.

    As difficult as this situation is, let’s not act as though this particular loophole affects every child with a serious illness. This post seems a bit like Michael’s blowing up everything up into a crisis.

    And, as others have pointed out – if this is too big a problem we can always amend it by passing a single payer or Medicare for all.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    I’ve been saying all along the industry lawyers were going to find loopholes. I just didn’t think they’d find one this fast. I wonder how more they’ll find.

  • conversets

    Geez, everybody knows that doctors have a god-given right to be very, very rich because they went to school so long.

    And why the hell should they have to accept those government-subsidized healthcare recipients?? Just because they took out all those government-subsidized, low-interest student loans…oh, wait…

  • shepherdwong

    Well, assuming that earl junior here really is a physician as he claims, it merely proves that doctors can be just as ignorant and partisan as anyone else. Otherwise, and by large margins, docs wanted what most liberals wanted: a robust public option. Perhaps they can make common cause on that one and take on the insurance industry and their “centrist” (read: corporatist) enablers in Congress, the White House and the corporate press.
    .
    http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/2009/09/do-doctors-support-health-care.html

  • justmy02cents

    the movie personification of righteous anger has taken many forms over the years, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, Howard Biel in Network…even so far as Tora Tora, “I feel we have awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve”.

    This is the kind of anger I am seeing around me, you can discount it, marginalize it, Sarah Palinize it, but remember…..Cassius Clay (Muhammed Ali) won his fight by doing the “rope-a-dope” and being under-estimated by his opponent….

    Keep flailing, maligning, distorting, and generally adopting your elitist attitude…you’ll certainly wind up at the bottom of Savo Sound or on the canvas.

    Take a real look around you and honestly tell me that you are in favor of the massive expansion of the federal government…we are not talking ends-justify-the-means…out and out…do you really favor a massive federal government?

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    for justmy02cents:

    You asked if we really want a massive federal government.

    I would counter with what do you EXPECT from your federal government?

    For my part, I want a federal government that sees to our national defense without defense being the main issue. I want a federal government that cares for the citizens of this country, especially those unable to care for themselves. Most of all I want a federal government that does its job, doesn’t play party politics and doesn’t waste my tax dollars in wasteful pursuits or preemptive wars.

  • sevenoaks07

    We had Michael’s odd post about Jones’ joke. Now we have Kate nitpicking. Hey folks we will find deficiencies and they will be dealt with. Do we really need a daily dose of “What’s wrong with the HCR”? Do Swampland posters have a daily output quota however inane?

  • earljr1

    As usual, shepard, you are completely wrong! I suggested in another post that you ask your own Doctor how he or she felt about HCR, as it stands and being your usual, nasty self, replied “why?, just to find out they are as biased and ignorant as you.” (what are you afraid of?) I dare you to take that challenge, shepard, you WILL NOT like the answer you get. Physicians DID advocate for reform, shepard, but what we got is NOT what we asked for. If implemented, our fine health care delivery system (that the majority of Americans like) will become seriously impaired. You WILL take a number and wait, I can assure you. P.S. If you care to give me an address, I will be HAPPY to mail you a copy of my credentials.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    OMG! Don’t you get it? The bill ended up what it is, with a whole of Republican ideas because President Obama was aiming for bipartisan support. But if the Democrats were as smart as they think are, they would have early on that wasn’t going to happen and just gone with Medicare for All, or at the very least a public option–which is nothing more than a gov’t. owned and operated non-profit insurance company.

    And before you start going on about it being unconstitutional for the gov’t to own a business, there is nothing, absolutely NOTHING in the Constitution to prevent it. In fact the gov’t. owning business to compete with the private would only enhance, not hinder the economy.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Rushed through? You call over a year of debates a rush? George Bushes bail out of the banks was a one page bill that had to be voted on immediately. Now THAT turned out to be disaster!!

  • earljr1

    Of course, erie, BLAME it ALL on Bush! The typical liberal response. You are so predictable and once again show an indifference to CURRENT problems. It must be nice living in la la land.

  • nibblybits

    earl, I’m glad you’re back. Was wondering if you had a chance to read Atul Gawande’s short article in the New Yorker, especially the 2nd half of it.
    http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2010/04/05/100405taco_talk_gawande
    It addresses the bill’s approach to cost issues. Obviously, doctors have to be part of the discussion on how to make the reform work. Are doctors willing to accept limiting or curbing payments if the cost containment results help society in general?

  • earljr1

    Doctors would WELCOME the opportunity, nibbly. We were largely IGNORED throughout this debate process and many of us a quite angry about this. One of the reasons our cost per patient numbers are so high, is the absolute necessity of practicing defensive medicine to protect ourselves from predatory lawyers. Instead of ordering one test, we many times order a series of tests, to keep the predator at bay. We asked for tort reform and democratic law makers laughed at us. Great start to finding mutual accord, I would say. Democrats are quick to say this HCR largely mirrors the Massachusetts plan. What they fail to tell you, is this plan is virtually bankrupt and the average wait time for an appointment is 44 days! Is this what you signed up for, nibbly? Is this going to IMPROVE American health care? I think not.

  • nibblybits

    Earl, perhaps I see too much of the other side of the coin, but a system that requires a 44 day wait for a check-up, as long as those check-ups are available to all, is not too bad a thing in comparison.
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    The status quo system before this bill was untenable. This bill doesn’t presume to solve all problems, just address some of the most egregious, and pave the way for more reform.

  • earljr1

    44 days for a check up? Fine, but what if your condition involves something quite common, like inflammatory bronchitis? How long are you prepared to wait? Remember, there is always the E.R. and hospitals are VERY concerned about your showing up there to treat this condition. This bill is POORLY designed, nibbly and will do serious harm to what the world already recognized as the best health care delivery, anywhere. As stated previously, take your number and wait. This is your future. Thank your democratic legislators for this impending dilemma. I, for one, will make sure that my patients understand this.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    earl, are you trying to tell me that Bush DID NOT bail out the banks???? HMMM My memory must be going.

  • nibblybits

    “…will do serious harm to what the world already recognized as the best health care delivery, anywhere…”
    Earl, that is objectively not the case. Not by any measure recorded.
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    Look, how you treat your patients is your business. If you want to make them wait 44 days, that’s up to you. This bill may not solve *your* issues, but it addresses the most egregious problems for many others. Sorry if that doesn’t please you.

  • jlbrumb

    “Is your “expensive policy” gonna help a family with a policy costing 50% of the family monthy wage, will they still have to move out of their home in order to afford it? Cut back on food they buy? Sell a car? Give up cable TV?”

    If they care about their child; these are no-brainer choices. If they believe the child is someone
    (everyone) else’s responsibility; they should have been neutered.

  • justmy02cents

    nibblybits….

    The status quo system before this bill was untenable.

    you really bought the BIG LIE didn’t you?

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