In the Arena

Neoconservatives, Loyalty and Logic

Elliott Abrams, who ran the Middle East desk at the National Security Council during the George W. Bush Administration, has unloaded a longish essay on the Obama Administration’s policy toward Israel in the latest Weekly Standard. You’ll be shocked to know that Abrams doesn’t like the policy. Still, I can’t dispute much of what he says…about the past. The historic Palestinian refusal to accept Israeli peace gestures has been disastrously stupid; the historic Palestinian inability to govern their own territory honorably and effectively has caused Israel to be rightly wary; the historic Palestinian policy of using lethal force against innocent Israeli citizens–and the continuing policy of groups like Hamas, who refuse to acknowledge Israel’s right to exist–has caused the Israeli public to assume not merely bad intent, but also a barbarity, on the part of their neighbors and rightly so.

But. I do have a problem with the things Abrams doesn’t say–which stand as a purposeful distortion of the Obama Administration’s policy (as does the hysteria emanating from neoconservative quarters on this issue, the foreign policy equivalent of Tea Partyism). Abrams simply is not honest about the current situation. He notes, accurately, the dedication of a Palestinian square in memory of a terrorist (without noting, of course, that Israel has celebrated, and elected, terrorists who bombed the King David Hotel and other British outposts–a significant omission, since this is purportedly an essay about history). Nor he does note recent, gratuitous provocations by the Israeli government, like the plan to unilaterally “restore” historic sites located in Palestinian territory–or the daily humiliations visited upon law-abiding Palestinians by Israelis on the West Bank. The “historic sites” announcement, as I’ve written here before, could have been constructed as a joint Jewish-Christian-Muslim Commission; instead, it seemed a unilateral, and purposeful, slight of the West Bank Palestinian government, for the purpose of soliciting rock-throwing from the Palestinian youth in advance of the planned proximity talks. In this same manner, the announcement of new housing blocks in East Jerusalem–at the moment Vice President Biden was arriving in Tel Aviv–was intended to scuttle the talks. So Abrams’ reporting isn’t quite balanced or accurate, especially when it comes to recent Israeli activities.

Another thing he doesn’t talk about–at all–is the Israeli colonization of Palestinian lands. As I wrote several weeks ago, when you drive north from Ramallah to Nablus almost every hilltop has an Israeli settlement or outpost. None of these is legal. Another example: in the center of Hebron, the largest West Bank city and home to 500,000 Palestinians, there exists a colony of 400 Jewish extremist settlers–few of them native Israelis. They claim, correctly, that Hebron was a Jewish city 3000 years ago (as, of course, Arabs can claim evidence of their presence throughout the current land of Israel as least as long-standing…and, more to the point, a much stronger evidence of their presence, and the absence of Jews, far more recently). In any case, these 400 settlers are protected by 4000 Israeli army troops. Their area is cordoned off, which means that a Palestinian who lives on one side of downtown Hebron, and wants to see his mother on the other side, has to drive an 8 kilometer detour around downtown to visit her. This is a daily provocation for the residents of Hebron, which also happens to be the most industrious Palestinian city, home to a burgeoning middle class that seeks only stability.

This is the context for the Palestinian complaints about building more settlements in East Jerusalem. The proposed incursions are relatively small; they always are. But they add up to a direct threat to the future existence of a Palestinian state. In one East Jerusalem case, the new housing is in a neighborhood that will undoubtedly be Jewish once the maps are redrawn. But that is a matter to be negotiated. Abrams implies that since the Palestinians have never negotiated a successful agreement in the past, they probably won’t in the future–and therefore Israel should just go ahead expanding its colonization. That is one point of view.

Another point of view–denigrated by American right-wing Jewish extremists as anti-Israel–is this: The West Bank Palestinians seem to be getting their act together. Prime Minister Salam Fayyad has tackled corruption in the government and is intent on building a stable economy; with the help of US advisors, a new Palestinian security force has made tremendous progress eliminating violence and anarchy in the streets. (The Israelis have acknowledged this improvement by removing many, but not all, of their checkpoints.) If Israel is to remain a democracy and a Jewish state, negotiations leading to a stable Palestinian state are an existential necessity…unless Israel wants to force the removal of the existing Palestinian population from the West Bank and Gaza, a project that seems plausible to only the most delusional Jewish extremists.

The negotiation of a two state solution involves several prerequisites. The most important condition for the Palestinians is the cessation of violence against Israel. This condition has been met, unequivocally, by the West Bank Palestinians (unless you count the recent, minor incidents of rock-throwing elicited by the Israeli provocations); it has even been mostly complied with–a few exceptions–by Hamas in Gaza, since the outrageous rocketing of Israeli civilians was ended by Israeli military action in December-January of 2008-9. The most important condition for Israel–a condition agreed upon by the entire international community, including the Bush Administration in which Abrams served–is the cessation of settlement building on Palestinian lands. That condition hasn’t been met.

And so: the “anti-Israel” activity by the Obama Administration is merely an insistence that Israel comply with a condition–which it agreed to meet in the Road Map talks–that the entire world, including the Administration of George W. Bush, has assumed was mandatory before peace talks could begin. The efforts by the neoconservative extremists to make this seem an extraordinary and hostile act by “the most anti-Israel Administration in history,” as the pro-Likud fanatic Jennifer Rubin recently lied, are simply nonsense–a Big Lie, indeed.

The efforts of Abrams and Rubin–and AIPAC–to undermine this long-standing American policy at this moment of truth teeter on the brink of treachery. Leaving aside the injustice–and foolishness–of the Israel incursion onto Palestinian lands, there is a very strong reason for Israel to stand down at this moment: the U.S. is trying to build a regional, and international, coalition to contain and deter Iran–to prevent it from building nuclear weapons, if possible–that will work to Israel’s benefit, if it is successful. A sense that Israel is interested in making peace with the Palestinians may help the U.S. in convincing the Sunni Arabs to join publicly in this effort; a sense that Israel isn’t interested in peace only serves to strengthen Iran’s hand (especially in places like Syria, where there is a–slight–chance that Assad government can be weaned from its alliance with Iran and into peace talks with the Israelis).

Again, disagreements on the proper strategy for the U.S. to pursue are inevitable. The American Likudniks have a right to their beliefs–although the Likud party has a definitive history of foreign policy disaster since it came to power in the late 1970s, including invasions and massacres in Lebanon that led to the creation of Hizbollah. On the other hand, there are more than a few of us who believe the rantings of those who style themselves “pro-Israel” are anything but; indeed, that they are a long-term ticket for disaster. They notion that they would be accusing us–and their President–of being anti-Israel is simply vile.

The need for a supple Palestinian state has been acknowledged by every recent Israeli Prime Minister except Netanyahu (the failure of the Palestinians to respond to their entreaties has been self-destructive in the extreme). So it needs to be said: AIPAC and the neoconservative extremists like Abrams stand well outside mainstream thinking on this issue–they certainly stand outside American policy that has been pursued, unanimously, by American Presidents since the six-day war in 1967. They are making their case in ways that encourage the enemies of Israel; they are making their case in ways that encourage right-wing American extremists who deny the legitimacy of our President. They are walking on very thin ice here. They should think hard about their rhetoric and the next actions they take.

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  • http://firstfarmandweatherreport.blogspot.com/ maxwelldog

    ….I have long wondered why it is that so many take it too seriously. I mean, from what I see, Israel is actually creating a siege against itself.
    As in, there may come a day when flights in and out of Israel will not be possible, and if that were the case, they would be an island within a Palestinian sea.
    And even farther from the realm of reality, the idea that Iran would toss a nuke into Israel. Only, I’m thinking, if they consider themselves immune from an abundance of nukes (ten to a hundred times more powerful) flying their way from three..four countries.
    That being stated, why should we have a presence in the middle east at all?
    Let’s get that idiot clown out of the mountains, drag his mangy hide back here and be done with the silliness those who live there call a peace process.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Problem as I see it, to put it simply, is that the neoconservatives don’t believe Isreal can do anything wrong. This is not a view that helps the US security.

  • jlbrumb

    It’s time to start TELLING” the Israelis what we want and stop asking. You can not deal with these kinds of extremist with words. Cut off the aid for a few months and see how their attitude changes.

    I believe that when the US knows what support for Israel really cost, we’ll save a lot of money.

    As for our great congressional leaders praising our most “loyal ally”; what do they do other than drag us into wars?

  • sevenoaks07

    It would help, Joe, if you can provide a link to Elliott Abrams recent history beginning , for the sake of brevity, with his role in Iran-Contra in the Reagan White House and his oversight and management of the Israel File in the Bush (GW) White House. Did he get a pardon for his shenanigans during the Reagan Years? I mention this because this guy is a seasoned neocon warrior with very strong ties to the Likudniks. His views are no surprise, whatsoever, and his mangling of history is SOP.

  • newfreedomblog

    Hey Joe Klein, how’s that Iran policy working out for Barry Obama? Seems like that isn’t working either.
    .
    This entire ordeal is about whether Israel will bomb the beejesus out of Iran or not. Israel has asked the U.S. to back them up. Obama is not only refusing but afraid to give them the green light.
    .
    That is all this is about. Not some “Roadmap” or the recent buiding of a few apartments in East Jerusalem. Come on Joe, you are a better reporter than that. Dig Joe, find the truth. Don’t let them put your hound dog nose on a trail that won’t catch the raccoon.
    .
    And this statement makes no sense what-so-ever.
    .

    “This condition has been met, unequivocally, by the West Bank Palestinians (unless you count the recent, minor incidents of rock-throwing elicited by the Israeli provocations); it has even been mostly complied with–a few exceptions–by Hamas in Gaza, since the outrageous rocketing of Israeli civilians was ended by Israeli military action in December-January of 2008-9.”

    .
    I would think it would be complies with, not “mostly complied with”. Don’t you think if you want to move forward towards peace, you would want everyone to abide by the negotiations?
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    Isn’t the Israeli response to Palestinian refusal to follow the agreed upon terms. That everytime a deal is struck the Palestinians decide to change the rules?
    .
    I advocate for a “One State” solution. Kick the Palestinians out of Israel. Put them in the other Arab countries they immigrated from. For those in Palestine before Israel was recognized as a country, pay for a repatriation to another Arab speaking country.
    .
    Just like the U.S. needs to stop the illegal immigration of Mexicans and other Latin Americans who do not respect our borders or our immigration laws. When people break the law of your country they need to be deported or put in jail. That will be the only way to solve these types of problems in the future.
    .
    I am hoping that one day even so-called “Americans” in this country can be deported or put on a slow boat to China since that is the type of country they think they want to live in.

  • michaelfury

    “the historic Palestinian policy of using lethal force against innocent Israeli citizens”

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/01/26/dropping-a-dime/

  • michaelfury

    “without noting, of course, that Israel has celebrated, and elected, terrorists who bombed the King David Hotel and other British outposts–a significant omission, since this is purportedly an essay about history”

    Another “significant omission”?

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/movers-and-shakers/

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Thanks for this detailed and thoughtful post.
    -
    As you point out, “the rantings of those who style themselves “pro-Israel” are anything but; indeed, that they are a long-term ticket for disaster.” That’s what I don’t get– what is the neoconservative endgame here? Where do the Palestinians go?
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    One thing I’d like to add to your post, to the point about “barbarity”; really bad living conditions, caused to a great extent by a powerful neighbor, simply don’t create the background for good governance. That’s not to say that there is no place for any blame to Palestinians. But it’s not a surprise that Gaza’s governance doesn’t look like South Korea’s or Switzerland.
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    For whatever it’s worth, just to establish that Israel/Palestine isn’t pure white good against pure evil, here’s a quote from 19th century Cultural Zionist Ahad Ha’am:

    Some of the newcomers, to our shame, describe themselves as “future colonialists . They were slaves in their diasporas, and suddenly they find themselves with unlimited freedom …. This sudden change has planted despotic tendencies in their hearts, as always happens to former slaves. They deal with the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, trespass unjustly, beat them shamefully for no sufficient reason, and even boast about their actions. There is no one to stop the flood and put an end to this despicable and dangerous tendency.

    He worried about settlers acting as if there weren’t anyone already living there.
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    Constructing a narrative in which only one side is noble and virtuous is a fun thing to do, if you’re a tribalist. But here on the planet Earth, we have a Jewish state next to a ton of Arabs, and we have a lot of bad history. The goal has to be to make the situation peaceful. We won’t get there if either side thinks it can just do whatever the heck it wants.

  • megatronrises

    Once again Rusty, you fail to see the intricacies of the issue. This is all too common of your black-and-white analysis of pretty much everything.
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    Israel’s actions are counterproductive. Even my cousins in Israel, who have lived there since the country’s inception, disagree with Netanyahu’s tactics. One of them says that he’s “playing the same old games.” Netanyahu isn’t interested in peace like his predecessors. He’s interested in pleasing his right wing, extremist parliament members who support the settlements and otherwise make or break his ruling coalition.
    .
    Obama is trying to get to Iran. One way to do that is to remove distractions from the region in order to highlight and respond to Iran without another needless war that consumes our money and our soldiers, as in Iraq, and exacerbating the sorry state of our country’s deficit and morale today.
    .
    Unconditional support of Israel is not in our or its best interest. Such support produces spoiled children. Obama’s policy is consistent with history, and he should stay the course. He has foresight, unlike your black-and-white view.

  • theotherjimmyolson

    That last paragraph was a thing of beauty, Elvis.

  • Ike Jakson

    Joe

    Your are still fumbling. The Palestine/Israel problem is a conflict to be sorted out between them. They are grown people and there is absolutely nothing for you, Obama or any outsider to contribute.

    And BTW the same applies to Afghan; the old Soviet Union invaded Afghan in 1980 and they were just around the corner from Afghan but the logistics became a nightmare and they were nearly defeated when they realized the wisdom of getting out before they lost.

    http://ikejakson.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/joe-the-fumbler-on-the-ropes/

  • formerlyjames

    Everybody better pay attention. Abrams is a stalwart of the train wreck of American foreign policy. He may be a neocon, but the train wreck has historically been bipartisan. His major credits include screw ups in El Salvador and Nicaragua, and as senior foreign policy advisor for the disaster of the W. Bush administration, which was internationally reviled.
    .
    I did read his piece and if not otherwise informed would have been impressed. But that and knowing his history, including a conviction for lying under oath (a down plea from felonious indictment) resulted only in smirks. Now…what was he saying?

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Thanks, theotherjimmyolson, glad that you thought it was worthwhile. You are definitely my favorite Jimmy Olson.

  • freeinpa

    So the net result of the most glorious leader fo the free world ever elected?

    Our one allies in the Middle East is annoyed and our foes led by Iran, Russia and North Korea think we are a laughingstock. MIssion Accomplished!

  • megatronrises

    OMG… Israel is annoyed! What are we going to do!!??
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    As for our enemies… they’ve thought that the last 10 years.

  • swissArmyBrainBETA

    If only people were smart like you North and South Korea would be united peacefully under kim jong il. We can stop backing Taiwan – I’m sure that’s not having any effect. The american colonies and britain could’ve done just fine w/o France getting into everybody’s business. The whole concept of Foreign policy in general is ridiculous!!! just outsiders trying in vain to contribute. am I right? am I right?!!

  • shepherdwong

    “The historic Palestinian refusal to accept Israeli peace gestures has been disastrously stupid…”
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    FWI, Joe. I’m looking for a new crib so next week so I’m coming by to bulldoze your house and put what I want in its place. The good news is I’m going to offer you the tool shed down the block 50 years from now (it will have a really cool razor-wire-topped fence around it). Sure hope you appreciate my gesture of peace. It’s OK if you resist though, I’ll just call you a terrorist and blow you and your family to bits without warning with a missile packed with high explosives. How dangerously stupid of you.

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Twenty years ago: trouble in the Middle East. Today: trouble in the Middle East. Twenty years from now: trouble in the Middle East. Let’s cut our losses and move on.

  • FlownOver

    Once a blogwhore, always a blogwhore.

  • FlownOver

    See? Blogwhore without end, amen.

  • FlownOver

    Have you considered coprophagia?

  • formerlyjames

    And let’s give up on that 2 state dream. Never gonna happen. Let’s move on and figure out how to deal with it.

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Detroit is available. Maybe one side will take it instead.

  • formerlyjames

    Cookie, are you available to be Secretary of State? You would be good at it. Your creative approach to world affairs is staggering and a cool breeze from all of the hot air. I assume you don’t have an Ivy phd like all of the neocons or an ambiguous moral or drug infused past like all of the tea bag idols. We need more of that. Thanks for serving. But don’t pack your bags. I am pretending that I am Obama and the offer is pretend. Sort of like the world that neocons, Zionists, all religious devotes and tea bags live in.

  • sambam23

    No FlownOver, freeinpa’s crap is too vile to ingest :)

    Not to speak of his laughably shallow analysis and irrelevant schoolyard taunts about President Obama, Democrats, liberals, and so on.

  • rosmax52

    Klein offers a mixed bag: some good points but sometimes drifts into partisan myth. Without defending the Israeli position, it seems beyond fairness to argue that Hebron was free of Jews and neglect to mention that the reason for that was Arab pogroms that killed-off the Jewish population. Klein can make his arguments more cogently and convincingly if he avoids Arab or Israeli mythology.

  • sasquatch08

    “I mean, from what I see, Israel is actually creating a siege against itself.”

    By simply existing? That’s what creates the outrage. Notice that Abbas didn’t care about Israeli settlements in this disputed area (which the Palestinians agreed is Israels) until we made a big deal about it. Also notice that the stated goal of Hamas, Hezbollah et al. is not a “two state solution” but to “push Israel into the sea” in other words “kill them all”.

    “neoconservatives don’t believe Isreal can do anything wrong.”

    You mean those people that think the Jews killed Jesus and should burn for it?

    “It’s time to start TELLING” the Israelis what we want and stop asking.”

    Can we take this same tack of demanding things from Iran, Venezuela, Russia, Somalia, China and North Korea? And if Israel tells us to shove it just like all of those countries did, what then?

    “One thing I’d like to add to your post, to the point about “barbarity”; really bad living conditions, caused to a great extent by a powerful neighbor, simply don’t create the background for good governance.”

    Are you referring to the refugee camps that Yasser Arafat wouldn’t let people who had jobs leave because it made him look better on the world stage when they starved? A program that appears to be continued by current leadership? Israel stopped a shipment of “medical and food aid” on a ship in the Mediterranean and found tens of tons of weapons, given that why SHOULDN’T they stop and search shipments? If the United States found even ONE crate of RPG-7′s on a ship we’d stop all imports from the both the country it was coming from and the country the ship was flagged under.

  • beliha

    You are factually & shamefully wrong on all counts.

    Israel IS creating a siege against itself, No, not by simply existing, but by “simply” committing constant incursions and building settlements in Palestinian lands that were declared since 1967 by EVERYONE (UN, US, & UK included) except Israel to be Palestinian, and by calling everyone who opposes its actions “Anti-Semetic”. Yes, they are definitely digging a hole for themselves!

    And where did you hear that Palestinians agreed the disputed area is Israel’s? That might be the dumbest statement I’ve heard all century, and I’ve heard a lot of dumb statements! Why would every country in the world declare the “disputed” areas as Palestinian, only for Palestinians to turn around and go: “Oh no its not ours”.. What do you think all the fighting is about??

    Also, Hamas, Hezbollah, Arabs, never made a statement stating their goal is to “push Israel into the sea”.. as a matter of fact, tracing that sentence, we realize that it initiated from a speech by Ben Gurion in 1961, before Arafat ascended to the leadership of the PLO:
    “The Arabs’ exit from Palestine…began immediately after the UN resolution, from the areas earmarked for the Jewish state. And we have explicit documents testifying that they left Palestine following instructions by the Arab leaders, with the Mufti at their head, under the assumption that the invasion of the Arab armies at the expiration of the Mandate will destroy the Jewish state and push all the Jews into the sea, dead or alive.”

    No Arab figure, leader, head of state, or any other person was ever documented to have stated that as their goal.

    I really wish you would at least research some of your claims to see if they are factual or a result of story-time tales over a camp fire.

  • http://newyorkliberalstateofmind.wordpress.com Robert

    What both sides need is more vigorous non-official diplomacy that includes a mutual peace movement. Much more vigorous. Their official representatives have failed miserably, yet neither Israelis or Palestinians throw their own bums out. They need a Gandhi, or MLK, etc. to help them come together. This polarized methodology hasn’t worked for 40 years and won’t in the future. Both peoples are being held captive by their politicians.

  • diecash1

    So typical of you — short-sighted and wrong on the facts.
    ..
    The Russians think we are a laughingstock? Really? I guess you can have someone read (and explain) the new agreement for a reduction in nuclear arms that Obama just reached with the Russians.
    ..
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/27/world/europe/27start.html

  • jpjh51

    Does anyone out there remember the USS Liberty?

  • freeinpa

    Ah more drivel form the clueless anti-Semites.

    diecash1: You are too clueless for words. No one has to read it to me. It will be a unilateral disarmament just like Clinton’s wheat deal. They laughed the entire time. Eventually someone will figure it out and the Obama will write a stern letter to Putin. It will be great theatre at the cost of our national defense.

    You know that thing the left talks about but denigrates and de-funds at all turns.

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  • bobell

    beliha: “Arabs never made a statement stating their goal is to “push Israel into the sea”.. as a matter of fact, tracing that sentence, we realize that it initiated from a speech by Ben Gurion in 1961, before Arafat ascended to the leadership of the PLO”.
    .
    Never say never: “Syria was governed by the radical Baathist Party, constantly issuing threats to push Israel into the sea.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War — text at footnote 81. The time frame, to be sure, was just prior to the 1967 war, but “never” covers a lot of time. Ben Gurion had no copyright on the phrase. I found this in about one minute of googling. I’m sure there’s lots more out there,
    .
    The Arabs and Jews have been fighting over Palestine/Israel for more than a century, which has been time enough for all sorts of atrocities and accompanying bellicose language. I side with the many Israelis who think Bibi is taking them in the wrong direction. But accuracy is accuracy.

  • http://djtrudeau.wordpress.com djtrudeau

    Right, because things that happen in other parts of the world have no effect on us. I can understand the frustration, but we’re too involved in the rest of the world for us to not get involved. Just the way it is.

    Oh, and on behalf of other Detroiters, your superiority complex is sad.

  • danielatlanta

    For the neo-cons, this flap about the Obama administration’s opposition to more settlements being anti-Israel is not about Israel. It is about driving a wedge between American Jews and the Democratic Party as a way to regain power in America. The neo-cons are out of power, their policies for American security proven wrong (or, at the least, they have proven their inability to administer those policies effectively), so they see the “settlement” wedge issue as a way to ciphon votes (and, more important in the immediate future, dollars) from the American Jewish community. It is about power in America, not Israel.

  • beliha

    Re-read my comments, I said “No Arab figure, leader, head of state, or any other person was ever documented to have stated that as their goal.”

    Your link just loosely states: ” the Baathist party was constantly issuing threats to push Israel into the sea” with no significant source attributing it to anyone of relevance.

    Once again, no Arab leader was quoted as saying that!

    This statement has been attributed to many Arab leaders, specifically the former PLO leader, Yasser Arafat. I challenge anyone to actually find any reference to this statement by any prominent Arab leader in the early years of Israel’s existence.

    like you said, accuracy is accuracy.

  • diecash1

    It will be great theatre at the cost of our national defense.

    How exactly will a reduction in our nuclear arms hurt our national defense? We have more than enough to provide a deterrent and the goal is to reduce the Russian’s stockpile. It’s time to get rid of your cold war mentality. The threats we face today will not be countered by a nuclear missile.
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    Perhaps Obama could give a speech and declare Russia part of the “axis of evil” a la W. I’m sure that would show ‘em. I’m also quite certain that most of the world thought that was crazy enough the first time.
    ..

    You know that thing the left talks about but denigrates and de-funds at all turns.

    What, that we spend more on defense than every other nation added together isn’t enough to keep us safe? How much should we spend? You are a sad and pathetic individual.

  • formerlyjames

    Neocons may not have a puppet president now, but don’t kid yourself that they don’t stink up the state dept., presidential advisory status, think tanks, and lobby efforts. They remain very dangerous to world peace.

  • freeinpa

    “The threats we face today will not be countered by a nuclear missile”

    And what do you think will work? A stern warning backed up by empty threats? Or sit around, hold hands and sing songs together. The threats to this country rise every time we have a liberal who has a better way to deal with the renegades Carter, Clinton and now Obama.

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    “How much should we spend? You are a sad and pathetic individual.”

    Whatever it takes to make us safe. Liberals think that happens if we are nice to people. Every country and the left here screams about an imperialistic US but let something happen anywhere n the world and the first call is to the US.

    It seems the left has an open ended checkbook for entitlements. How much is enough there? The answer form the left is its never enough. Now that is pathetic!

  • fish4free

    Every move made by the Israeli government is carefully calculated and planned with absolute knowledge of the effects which their actions have.

    In Game Theoretic models, this action can be modeled with the Prisoners Dilemma but with different pay off matrices. In particular, this looks like a game of chicken with Israel escalating the game in a game of brinkmanship.

    The larger question then is why the brinkmanship how? Is this a fight over Israel or of support for some sort of Iranian action.

    Joe, please step back and put this issue into a larger strategic context.. I’m open to the argument that this is solely a matter of Israeli territorial ambitions, but me thinks that there are more subtle issues being played out here.

    Oh and Neoconservatives and their Logic, agenda setting can still be done by proxy and this is just red meat to warmongers.

  • carolann1e

    This is just one more example of creating a criticism based on who rather than what. Elliot Abrams like much of the republican party is so busy saying no and countering all things Obama that I doubt there is anything that the president could do that he would find satisfactory. It would be an improvement if Abrams actually did disagree due to point of view rather than politics. That said it seems that president Obama has yet to clearly articulate his views on the Israel/ Palestinian stand off. Until he does he will be open to legitimate criticisms –but they will be drowned out by the Iconoclasts on the right.

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