Van Hollen’s Response to Cantor

We have at least 10 incidents of GOP/tea violence already. The GOP, tea people, and the GOP media are not ratcheting down the rhetoric at all.
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I hope I’m wrong, but it seems inevitable right now that the right-wing anti-property terrorism will soon cross over into physical assaults.

DEMS MISLEAD PUBLIC ON HEALTHCARE…AGAIN..

A. DUE to DEMS unbridled SPENDING MEDS will be DENIED TO PUBLIC & KIDS INDEFINITELY…

*it is WHY the DEMS REFUSED TO put into writing that they would NOT ration meds & healthcare.

B. OBAMA & DEMS SEEKING ILLEGAL/UNCONSTITUTIONAL attempt to turn USA into DICTATORSHIP & ILLEGAL PROTECTION FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS

IF THE USA DOESN’T FORCE THE DEMS TO REPEAL THIS HEALTHCARE THIS IS WHAT AWATS THE PUBLIC

THE USA PUBLIC WILL BE FORCED TO PAY for healthcare BY

1. HAVING THEIR FAMILIES/VETS & CHILDREN DEPRIVED OF MEDS INDEFINTELY & HEALTHCARE

2. USA PARENTS/PUBLIC being BRANDED INT’L CRIMINALS & JAILED IF after being deprived MEDS & HEALTHCARE the USA PUBLIC SEEKS TO FIND HEALTHCARE FOR THEMSELVES OR THEIR CHILDREN WITHIN OR WITHOUT THE USA BORDERS.

WHY DO THE INSURERS WANT IT —-NO ONE IN PUBLIC WILL BE GETTING MEDS OR HEALTHCARE —they & dems just POCKET THE MORE EXPENSIVE CASH FROM PUBLIC WHILE PUBLIC LEFT STRANDED WITHOUT MEDS whether it’s a PRE-EXISTING CONDITION OR NOT….

# IT’S WHY DEMS REFUSED to give public writing that there would be NO RATION OF MEDS when REPUBLICANS pointed out the facts…..

WHY??….

SO….To the present it’s only one of the 1 % group of people attempting to destroy our Nation’s economic systems.

WHY??? It was said to a WASH DC VIP—that the reason the Socialists think they will win this time and are doing this is because ACLU and their DEMS SLUGS — they don’t think American’s are ” smart enough” to care to let their fingers do the walking to protect their lands, their CONSTITUTION or their freedoms. The DEMS and ACLU don’t think the 99% of American’s will be ‘smart enough” to CARE about their country, their homes, their small business enough to kick the WASH DC SLUGS out and send them packing by way of Balagovich for NOT doing what is right to protect PUBLIC freedoms and the free enterprise system (ie meaning small business/med business) and rights.

seek legislative and LEGAL action to get SOC HEALTHCARE & stimulus and bailout kicked out see AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE OR GOOGLE the problems with socialized health care OR GOOGLE handsoffmyhealth.org OR GOOGLE bigGovhealth.org OR stoptheaclu.com OR Health science institute OR familysecuritymatters.org OR Alliance Defense

Cantor’s statement was shameless. The people that have been putting out windows at Democratic offices around the country, the people that were shouting epitaphs over the weekend, the people that were talking assassination on Twitter, none of them are Democratic supporters. This has been going on to varying degrees of intensity since the later end of the ’08 presidential campaign. The folks that McCain tolerated and Palin encourage weren’t Democratic supporters either. The least the Republicans can do is to denounce this sort of behavior at the first available opportunity each and every time it happens. Outbursts like “You lie” and “babykiller”, comparing Democratic driven legislation as “Armageddon” only egg on the really unbalanced nut jobs out there. Their rhetoric has been irresponsible at best for a very long time and it needs to stop.

So, Mr. Thornell, who do you suppose shot out Cantor’s window? Or murdered that pro-life demonstrator last September?

What rhetoric would you have the GOP adjust?

Republicans also need to call out hate radio and Fox for inciting people. They also need to call out Palin and their own web site.
Decade after decade this has been the Republican m.o.: Spread fear and false accusations.

Opponents of the left’s reform have been called “traitorous.”

How many of the threatening calls or the implication of violence against conservatives not to mention guns shots have the MSM media or the dimbulbs here reported?

It doesn’t fit the liberal script to acknowledge what is actually happening. It is in their political interest to do what they do best —WHINE.

Boehner and Cantor, along with several other Republican congressmen stood on the balcony of the capitol and egged on and encouraged protestors who were shouting against the Healthcare Bill. They were waving their hands indicating “louder.” Boehner,who comes from a long line of crocked politicians from Wayne Hays to Bob Ney is a disgrace. In an interview with CNN he alluded, and I repeat alluded, there would be violent action if the bill passed but would not say what. I fully expected the National Guard to be on call. Cantor is so repulsive it is hard to even look at him speak. They are not only the party of “no” who continue to divide this country since Bush but they are also the party of constant lies, distortions, misrepresentions, fear tactics and hatred. Yes, they are responsible for the violent attacks against the Dems.

On another post today, Kevin posted the following. The complete story sounds a little different than some are reciting.

Here’s the report from the Richmond Police Department:
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The Richmond Police Department is investigating an act of vandalism at the Reagan Building, 25 E. Main St., Richmond, Virginia. A first floor window was struck by a bullet at approximately 1 a.m. on Tuesday, March 23. The building, which has several tenants including an office used by Congressman Eric Cantor, was unoccupied at the time.

A Richmond Police detective was assigned to the case. A preliminary investigation shows that a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. There was no other damage to the room, which is used occasionally for meetings by the congressman.

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http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/documents/2010/03/incident-report-on-richmond-virginia-vandalism-32310.php?page=1

kevin
March 25, 2010
at 4:06 pm

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/25/the-gop-response-to-the-intimidation-campaign-against-democrats/#comments#ixzz0jDnTaqZi

The unfortunate thing is, Van Hollen is a complete psychotic far left liberal nutball.
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Enough said.

Ironically, Republicans/conservatives/rightists are often accused of being “cowardly.” Imagine that.

And ten credible incidents being investigated by the FBI are being shuffled aside in the discussion by the story of something that happened Tuesday that may or may not have been directed at Cantor.

The Cantor part was the lead story on the ever so liberal NPR All Things Considered.

Well you see Ladies and Gentlemen, when you play the game like Nancy Pelosi and the Black Caucas did over the weekend, one would think that this would get a reaction from the opposing side. Don’t you think?
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When you strut like a peacok through a crowd chanting “KILL THE BILL” at the top of their lungs, one would think that you might consider taking the tunnel which goes from the Capitol to their office buildings.
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But, what do our esteemed and non-violent Democrats friends do? Oh they troddle right through the middle of the protesting crowd to DARE them to do anything. They even jab fingers into their face and call them “Tea BAGGERS”. Imagine that.
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And now, they are calling for restraint. Calling for people to ‘Just calm down’. That my friends is yelling FIRE in a theater. That is inciting riots. That is sticking your thumb up under your chin and flipping the opposite side a challenge. Don’t you think?

…who do you suppose shot out Cantor’s window?
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An anti-government teabagger-type. Or Cantor himself.
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Or murdered that pro-life demonstrator last September?
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You do know that it was a grudge killing not related to abortion, don’t you?

Assistant Prosecutor Sara Edwards said Drake’s mother, Kim Staples, expressed “growing displeasure” with Pouillon the day before the shooting because children could see his sign.
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“The defendant decided if Mr. Pouillon was in front of that high school on Sept. 11, he was going to kill him,” Edwards told the jury. “He told detectives if Mr. Pouillon was there he was going to make sure he wasn’t going to be there again.”
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As for Fuoss, Staples was his former employee, and Drake believed he had not treated his mother well, the prosecutor said…
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…Drake wanted to kill a third man whom he felt had “wronged” Staples, but police arrested him before he could act, the prosecutor said.

Read more about it here:

http://www.freep.com/article/20100301/NEWS06/100301021/Owosso-jury-told-killings-were-revenge

Got anything else I can knock down?

Yoshi, feel free to link us to a quote backing that statement up. You haven’t heard that coming from any elected democrat…

Ivy you are such a twit. Let’s review…
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Someone shoots a gun. Bullet from said gun goes into a conference room used by Rep Cantor. Bullet lands on floor of said conference room.
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What part of shooting a gun at Eric Cantor’s Richmond office do you not understand?
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Go away TROLL!!! Go and be gone!!!
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Jump on the back of one of your flying monkeys and go back to Oz.

Wow, such impassioned opposition.
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One would think that the government had done something grotesquely un-American, like…oh I don’t know…secretly abducting people suspected of harboring the wrong allegiances, and indefinitely caging and torturing them, or something.

Sorry, it was treasonous. I got a little confused. Let’s hope this Massa guy was never elected…

Having seen the conduct of your peers lately, I think it is not only accurate, but it is MOT.

Cantor shot his own office?? Hilarious. BTW, your quote does not change the fact that the pro-life guy was murdered for his sign.

“They even jab fingers into their face and call them “Tea BAGGERS”. Imagine that.”
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yes, indeedy, imagine that.
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I guess your freedoms include the right to be stupid. Good enough for me.
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But let’s not forget, my mental midget, that your peers gave your “party” that name. We shore as hell didn’t.
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We are merely sticking to the original designation…

Of course, name calling aside, newfreedomblog should note (probably with glee, too, btw) that the GOP has killed more Americans on American soil in acts of terrorism than Al-Queda.
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Deadly “rain” out there, doncha think…

I would disagree.

In spite of the fact that it is Thursday and Rustyblogwhore has never apologized to KT -

a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. There was no other damage to the room, which is used occasionally for meetings by the congressman.

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/25/van-hollens-response-to-cantor-3/#comments#ixzz0jDsICxjt

There are other tenants of the building and there is no proof that this incident on Tuesday was directed toward Cantor or if it was just an accident caused by someone freely exercising his very important Second Amendment right to carry a gun anywhere at all times.

A facebook group vs. the slur being broadcast on Anderson Cooper and multiple shows on MSNBC? Clearly a majority of teabaggers are responsible for perpetrating this label, because we all know teabaggers are controlled by a hive mind.

“But, what do our esteemed and non-violent Democrats friends do? Oh they troddle right through the middle of the protesting crowd to DARE them to do anything.”
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Yeah, c’mon people! Don’t you know that the right wing has no self control? Don’t you know that they are a simmering pot of violence just waiting to explode? Think of them like a rabid dog, just waiting for someone to come close enough to bite. Stupid liberals, expecting the right to be able to protest non-violently. What were you thinking?
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Right, Rusty?

According to the Richmond Police, nobody “shot out” Cantor’s window. First, it wasn’t Cantor’s window — it was the window in a conference room of the office one of his many political consulting firms, and there was no indication on the building that it had anything to do with Cantor. Second, according the the Richmond Police, the bullet was shot up into the air and hit the window of that building on the way down, in an almost vertical trajectory.

From the press release:

“A preliminary investigation shows that a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds.”

I see newfreedom.
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It’s not your fault that there is an ever present penchant for demonization and hatred, no, indeed not!
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It’s our fault for not stepping around the bullets!
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So one yells “n*******r!” and it isn’t his fault! Hell no!
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It’s that danged Black American’s fault for being within earshot.
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Sacred, where are you when I need a stiff drink. Maybe Friar is around to help me. I don’t know. I’m going to guess, by the reasoning presented here (if you can call it that!), that it wasn’t Timothy McVeigh’s fault he killed 162 Americans! Hell no!
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It was the victims’ fault, for being there when the bomb went off!

instead of crocked I shouldl have said “seedy”

Egad, I had no idea that the Second Amendment permits indiscriminate firing in public places. Or that carrying a gun would induce people to commit such monstrosities…

When you strut like a peacok through a crowd chanting “KILL THE BILL” at the top of their lungs, one would think that you might consider taking the tunnel which goes from the Capitol to their office buildings.
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But, what do our esteemed and non-violent Democrats friends do? Oh they troddle right through the middle of the protesting crowd to DARE them to do anything. They even jab fingers into their face and call them “Tea BAGGERS”. Imagine that.

Will you please provide a video of one of those Democrats who didn’t go through the tunnel jabbing “fingers into their face and call them “Tea BAGGERS”.” Since you refused to believe real video of the other incidents – which was the Repub change the topic du jour yesterday, I’d like to see video of the above.

Hey yoshi!
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Aren’t you glad their ire is directed against Black Americans?
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Well?
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Just making an observation. It’s certainly your bed to sleep in…

No, yoshi, and the 2nd Amendment is not in danger.
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You’ve been looking under your bed for far too long.
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BTW, yes, considering the sh!t flying right now, the personal jibe at 11.6 is entirely justified.
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Stew in it…

Thanks, Ivy B has said the same.

You are asking for facts, Ivy.
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Good luck.
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They don’t have any. See Rusty’s reasoning, above, if you dare to attempt to follow it…

Hilarious.
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Wouldn’t be the first time a right-winger manufactured an event in order to blame it on his opponents.
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..your quote does not change the fact that the pro-life guy was murdered for his sign…
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Now you’re being dishonest. The news reports indicated that Drake had no opinion about abortion. His mother did think, however, that kids shouldn’t be exposed to the very graphic content on the Pouillon was holding. If the sign had simply said, “Stop Abortion Now”, it probably would have ended differently for Pouillon.

Gee 53, and here I thought that the Tea Party wasn’t an anti-black movement. Who knew Zo was a race traitor this whole time?

New Rusty: You are right. It is like when John Lewis participated in the civil right “freedom rides” and led the Selma marches. Lewis was badly beaten. He shouldn’t have been out there strutting like a peacock. it was his fault he got beaten by those angry people.
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Now, here he is, accompanying a white woman through a crowd of angry people, just “strutting his stuff”. What did he expect would happen?

Yoshi:
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By your peers reasoning, it isn’t my fault for 11.6, it’s yours!
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Why?
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Because you stuck around to receive it!
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This “reasoning” can play both ways, you know…

53, I have never seen a moment in your posting history where stuff like that was unjustified.

“a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. There was no other damage to the room, which is used occasionally for meetings by the congressman.”
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That’s some mighty fine shootin. Kissing one off the blinds. No way that was some DFH.

No, yoshi, just pointing out the fallacies of the reasoning your peers have ventured in 11.
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Can’t you recognize a compliment when you see one?
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It’s good that you don’t take umbrage, because by the reasoning newfreedomblog has exercised, you have only yourself to blame for it!

Uh, there was a compliment in there? Okay, thanks I guess.

b-b-b-but!
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Which would you choose, Yoshi?
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Your fellow crackhead’s reasoning? If you agree with that then I don’t bear any blame whatsoever for it. Instead, indeed, it would be your fault for hanging around to receive it!
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Of course, if you then take umbrage, then you are, in effect, calling your compatriot at 11 a tee-totaling loony idiot!
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Pretty sharp fence to ride, huh?

ain’t social psychology grand?

Yoshi!
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I congratulate you on the absolutely beautiful demonstration of my point!
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Nice to see you stick with newfreedomblog on this…

Alex Altman:
Again, welcome to Swampland!
This thread should serve you as a useful case study of who you need to take seriously, and who you can dismiss.
Again, I’d suggest that caps lock makes a good first-pass filter.

SZ
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One would think that the government had done something grotesquely un-American”

They did. They ignored the people they were elected to represent and instead sold out the country to special interests. Despite all the happy talk here polls then and now show the American people do not want the bill and a majority favor the Republicans pursue its repeal (62% CBS News poll).
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What we are seeing is the left can’t win the arguments so they are trying the old canards of stopping the debate with accusations of racism, hate speech etc. Nothing knew except it won’t work this time.

Actually, now that I have made my point clearly and concisely about the fallacy of newfreedomblog’s reasoning at 11,
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Thanks, Yoshi, for participating!
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I hereby apologize to Yoshiattacks for that comment, as, in the real world, it is unjustified, and it is my fault!

freeinpa:
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Would you mind linking to that CBS poll you cited, I’m very interested in that 62% opposed number…

Thanks for the laugh! Reminds me I have two episodes of Justified to watch tonight!

You do have a point there. Seems entirely possible. But you’re still a little off the rocker for jumping to name Cantor as a suspect. Wouldn’t he have shot his office in a more direct fashion at least??

Okay, rusty on occasion has said some dumb things. There, are you happy?

Can somebody explain to me what 53 is talking about?

Well, Yoshi, that certainly is one way to get the ol’ rear end off that fence…

Factuality in discourse is a plus, Yoshi.
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Try it sometime.
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Again, thanks for participating in an excellent demonstration of what the rest of us call reality…

Right then. Glad to oblige. Or something.

I will treasure 10.9 forever…

…it was the window in a conference room of the office one of his many political consulting firms, and there was no indication on the building that it had anything to do with Cantor.
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There’s your answer, Yoshi…and, wasn’t it Cantor who earlier said it was:

“…reckless to use these incidents as media vehicles for political gain.” The tactic, he said, was “reprehensible.”

I mean, the examples you have given have been shot down, sure, but your use of them to try to score political points is, ah, reprehensible, right?

To all:
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See you!
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Have to call my insurance company to enroll my to nondependent sons in my plan.
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Ain’t HCR grand?

But you’re still a little off the rocker for jumping to name Cantor as a suspect.
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Hey, you asked for a name, and Cantor is slimy enough to pull a stunt like that.

So the bullet came from from something up there in Heaven?

Probably Jesus who was Mad as Hell and who wasn’t going to take it anymore.

Yeaaaaaaah okay. You won the battle, but I don’t understand why you insist on repeatedly shooting yourself in the foot. Or why, given your excellent ability to downplay a bullet that may (it is possible) have been directed towards Cantor, you presumably choose to play with the violent teabagger meme. If I’m wrong, please correct me.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001117-503544.html
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For stuart, in case he checks back.

Thanks for responding, yoshiattack, I’ll check out that link!

You’d better hope that those kids don’t have something your insurer finds to be a pre-existing condition, 53_3, as Eve Gittleson explains that AHIP isn’t done denying coverage just yet: link to nyceve at DailyKos

SZ:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001117-503544.html

As you wish

yoshi:

“Can somebody explain to me what 53 is talking about?”

No and the amazing part is neither can he

SZ:

You finally hit on something> Watch the flood of denials and terminations now that the bill has past and the insurer’s have an end date.

Given that health care insurance providers provide well insurance based on risk parameters and the options provided by the heath care bill are entitlements, no one should be surprised on how the insured pool of the is rid of high risk clients. Which should provide them with higher profits per insured. That will make the left loons go wild.

That will make the left loons go wild.
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Well, I think that will make middle-class people (who counted on something better than they ultimately got) unhappy in general.

…a majority favor the Republicans pursue its repeal (62% CBS News poll).”
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The poll didn’t ask if it should be repealed, it asked if Republicans should keep challenging it. Anyway, here’s the money ‘graph:

“A majority of Americans continue to say that they find the bill to be confusing and do not understand what it means for them or their family.”

Opposition doesn’t really mean very much when you have no idea what it is you are opposing. What say we give them, say, seven months or so to find out what’s actually in it. Any chance we could get your side to stop constantly lying about it in the meantime? Thought not.

OH Please.. better check and see who has the violent streak.. I have to agree that the left is using this as a political ploy.. as per usual.. If the left hadn’t been the ones who CALLED NAMES of the right, attacked a black conservative at a town hall meeting calling him the N word, threw a brick through a Democratic office and tried to blame it on the right only to find out it was one of their own a left wing nut, wasn’t there a girl doing some shooting who was another lefty? there are a few more but I will have to remember to keep a list so I can remind the left they have nuts.. BTW see how well behaved the left is at the G2 summit? How about when they protesting the war.. Get a grip.. While there are nuts on both sides I have to be honest the left has the lions share of VIOLENT ones.. and I can see why you are only following the example set for you.. a leader that calls names, makes fun of others (so much for tolerence), marginalizes those who don’t agree with him, he’s the perfect example of a thug and encourages his zombies to be the same.. Actually I wouldn’t put it past the left to have made the calls and throw the bricks themselves.. it’s about their class.. low lives..

“Go away TROLL!!! Go and be gone!!!”
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Looks like Rustyblog swallowed some of his survival seeds instead of taking his govt paid meds. ROFL
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“Probably Jesus who was Mad as Hell and who wasn’t going to take it anymore.”
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Cantor is Jewish.. So it must be some anti-semite who did it !! LOL

AS we all know now, the bullet was a random shot in the air and the bullet landed on the floor right in front of the window. Probably fired by some gun toting Republican.

For New Rusty and friends:
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/26/850995/-John-Lewis-on-Pettus-Bridge,-45-Years-Ago-Today
John Lewis strutting like a “peacock” forty five years ago yesterday on the Pettus Bridge. Guess he just didn’t learn his place.
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http://www2.godanriver.com/gdr/news/state_regional/article/bullet_that_hit_cantor_office_was_randomly_fired/19378/
AP report on Eric Cantors near death experience. Onoz! I wonder if he saw a white light. Missed him by thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat much.

I don’t understand why you insist on repeatedly shooting in the foot
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Me? You’re reasonably intelligent, can engage in rational debate, but you chose to use examples that don’t prove anything but you know how to jump to conclusions.
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..you presumably choose to play with the violent teabagger meme.
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And who are the ones making the threats, smashing windows, and so on?

Holy sh*t! A whole ten incidents in a nation of 300 million. I was unaware of the pervasiveness of this dangerous, dangerous phenomenon. Thank you for raising awareness, Elvis.

53_3,
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You can’t be serious, can you?
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You don’t actually think this bill is grand? Surely, you’re just poking a finger in the eye of its most vehement detractors…of which I am not one, to be clear.
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It’s flawed, and will be a pain in the *ss for the middle class, but it’s not armaggeddon. Nor is it grand. Far from it.
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