The World’s Greatest Deliberative Body and Argument Clinic

Is there anything about modern politics that doesn’t bring to mind a Monty Python skit? In response to my post below, commenter Stuart Zechman posits this clip, which is a perfect encapsulation of the United States Senate:

UPDATE: The WGDBAC just passed the reconciliation bill, 56-43.

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  • deconstructiva

    KT, everything can be explained by MP, the movies, and Fawlty Towers. Thanks for giving us a chance to have fun outside of “1000 words”. It beats watching more news clips of TP vandalism and death (panel) threats.
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    This is how state and local govs. ponder new taxes (really subtle tax on thingy, after the opening animation, forgive the photos, KT, blame Terry Gilliam) –

  • stuartzechman

    KT:
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    My favorite passage:

    Man: I came here for a good argument.
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    Mr Vibrating: No you didn’t; no, you came here for an argument.
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    Man: An argument isn’t just contradiction.
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    Mr Vibrating: It can be.
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    Man: No it can’t. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
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    Mr Vibrating: No it isn’t.
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    Man: Yes it is! It’s not just contradiction.
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    Mr Vibrating: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
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    Man: Yes, but that’s not just saying ‘No it isn’t.’
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    Mr Vibrating: Yes it is!
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    Man: No it isn’t!
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    Man: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
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    (short pause)
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    Mr Vibrating: No it isn’t.
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    Man: It is.
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    Mr Vibrating: Not at all.
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    Man: Now look.
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    Mr Vibrating: (Rings bell) Good Morning.

    I think what I love best about this sketch is that one of the characters is named “Mr. Vibrating.”
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    I know this is a perfect fit for the Senate, but does it also remind anyone of certain characters in Swampland commentary…? Hmmm….?
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    Thanks for posting this, KT. Brava!

  • deconstructiva

    …and KT, per your tweet congrats on your iron will to resist the “bring out your dead” analogy to HCR. I have no such willpower whatsoever so enjoy….

  • FlownOver

    I tend to think more of the Election Night Special sketch, featuring the Honorable James Inhofe as Tarquin Fin-tim-lim-bim-lim-bin-bim-bin-bim bus stop F’tang F’tang Olé Biscuitbarrel (Silly Party).

  • deconstructiva

    MP was even prescient about today’s Tea Party troubles.
    This is ancient Tea Party vandalism –

  • deconstructiva

    …and ancient TP infighting –

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    “I’m getting better!”

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    “I think I’ll go for a walk. … I feel happy! I feel happy!”

  • stuartzechman

    Wikipedia actually has a chart with the election night totals for Harpenden, in which it is reported that James Walker (Sensible Party) just barely squeaked by with 26,318 votes, over Mr Elsie Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (Silly Party) at 26,317, with Malcolm Peter Brian Telescope Adrian Umbrella Stand Jasper Wednesday (pops mouth twice) Stoatgobbler John Raw Vegetable (sound effect of horse whinnying) Arthur Norman Michael (blows squeaker) Featherstone Smith (blows whistle) Northgot Edwards Harris (fires pistol, then ‘whoop’) Mason (chuff-chuff-chuff-chuff) Frampton Jones Fruitbat (laughs) (squeaker) Gilbert (sings) ‘We’ll keep a welcome in the’ (three shots, stops singing) Williams If I Could Walk That Way Jenkin (squeaker) Tiger-drawers Pratt Thompson (sings) ‘Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head’ Darcy Carter (horn) Pussycat (sings) ‘Don’t Sleep In The Subway’ Barton Mainwaring (hoot, ‘whoop’) Smith (Very Silly, Independent) receiving just 2 votes.
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    link to Election Night Special

  • ohiolib

    KT: You just made my day. Congrats!

  • deconstructiva

    New govt. agencies: finance reform plans to create a (badly needed) CFPA. Will HCR create new ones too?

  • stuartzechman

    A Conversation at a Tea Party Protest

    Reg: They’ve bled us white, the bastards. They’ve taken everything we had, not just from us, from our fathers and from our fathers’ fathers.
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    Stan: And from our fathers’ fathers’ fathers.
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    Reg: Yes.
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    Stan: And from our fathers’ fathers’ fathers’ fathers.
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    Reg: All right, Stan. Don’t labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?
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    Xerxes: The aqueduct.
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    Reg: Oh yeah, yeah they gave us that. Yeah. That’s true.
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    Masked Activist: And the sanitation!
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    Stan: Oh yes… sanitation, Reg, you remember what the city used to be like.
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    Reg: All right, I’ll grant you that the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Federal government has done…
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    Matthias: And the roads…
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    Reg: (sharply) Well yes obviously the roads… the roads go without saying. But apart from the aqueduct, the sanitation and the roads…
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    Another Masked Activist: Irrigation…
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    Other Masked Voices: Medicine… Education… Health…
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    Reg: Yes… all right, fair enough…
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    Activist Near Front: And the internet…
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    Omnes: Oh yes! True!
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    Francis: Yeah. That’s something we’d really miss if the Federal government left us alone, Reg.
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    Masked Activist at Back: Interstate highways!
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    Stan: And it’s safe to walk in the streets at night now.
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    Francis: Yes, they certainly know how to keep order… (general nodding)… let’s face it, they’re the only ones who could in a place like this.
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    (more general murmurs of agreement)

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    Reg: All right… all right… but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order… what has the Federal government done for us?
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    Xerxes: Brought peace!
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    Reg: (very angry, he’s not having a good meeting at all) What!? Oh… (scornfully) No they haven’t… shut up!

  • deconstructiva

    That’s a good one, stuart. I posted the original clip at Katie’s new post as an analogy to what the Senate R’s might’ve said to stonewall reconciliation – and how the D’s replied.

  • znanab

    KT, I just heard you on a radio show talking about how the new HCR bill will result in increased premiums and decreases in benefits for people with employer-based health insurance in the interim. Did I hear you wrong? I haven’t heard anyone else make this case. My understanding was that these increases in premiums and decreases in benefits were coming down the pike independent of HCR, and that was one of the key reasons for passing the bill to ensure they don’t go on forever. Am I wrong in making such a distinction? That is, HCR is not the cause of the increases in premiums or decreases in benefits.

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    i said premiums and costs were going up, with or without this new law.
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    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/12/underplayed-story-of-the-day-health-care-sticker-shock/
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    Here’s the key quote from the story that I linked to:
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    With or without reform, coverage at big corporations is likely to become less affordable, and it could become more restrictive.
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    obama pretty much said the same thing today in iowa.
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  • Ivy_B

    KT, have been out for a while. Wanted to say I also heard you on Here and Now. Very good job. I have sent off two tart complaints in the past two days – one to H&N and one to Tell Me More – since on both programs their idea of covering the Atty Gen suits was to have one of the 13 and in one case a reporter and in the other Jonathan Turley, a known supporter of the AGs. So much for balance.
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    OTOH, today you provided a sensible, clear explanation of the probable effects of the law. Thank you again.

  • apr2563

    KT: Thanks for encouraging the Python laughs. Who in Congress do you think would understand the humor and who would think it a liberal, socialist, atheistic conspiracy?

  • anon76

    That clip is actually used at the Roman History Museum in Dover, England. No Joke- I watched it on a kiosk.

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