More Polls, Mild Improvement, Some Muddle For President Obama

Following a statistical breakdown of the Tea Party, Quinnipiac University today released the results of a new presidential poll. Despite his 22-pen win on health care, Barack Obama only wangled a 45% approval rating from more than 1,500 American voters who were surveyed on Monday and Tuesday after the House cleared the bill. A Gallup poll, also released today, had Obama’s approval rating at 51%, i.e. basically unchanged from ratings during this whole month, based on rolling-average surveys done Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.

With margins of error taken into account, the ratings overlap and both show a pretty tepid reaction from the hoi polloi given all the celebration over the historic comeback, perhaps indicating the American people are still too weary from all the squabbling to throw out a thumbs up or that unhappiness with the bill trumps the refreshing efficacy that accompanied its passing. The Quinnipiac poll showed that 49% of Americans disapprove of the health care reform now, compared to 54% before the vote.

“The people who have been celebrating are the people who were for it to begin with,” says Peter Brown, associate director at Quinnipiac. “The opposition was very strong and remains unhappy with the drift of what’s going on. The notion that [the public’s opinion] would change flies in the face of what we know about polling and American politics. I don’t think anyone thought that everyone was going to put down their rhetorical weapons and make nice. This is about serious disagreement.”

An interesting point of comparison: After Congress adjourned on Oct. 8, 1994 with Clinton’s health care plan doornail-dead, his approval rating was 42%, according to Gallup poll archives. His lowest point was 37% during June 1993, as he struggled to effect change less than six months after he took office, and his highest was 73% in December 1998, as voters rallied behind him in the wake of the impeachment crisis. Gallup has Obama’s high and low so far at 68%, as he took office, and 47%, as he waged his health-care battle in the first months of this year.

All in all, Brown thinks that 51% beats a poke in the eye with a stick. “The White House isn’t jumping up and down about these numbers,” Brown says. “But it could have been worse.” He believes the administration will just be happy to see a bump at all and attributes it, at least partly, to people’s context-free tendency to side with the winner after the race is over (regardless of who they were cheering on during the last legs).

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  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Just like I said.

    1) Any health care reform which is reasonably good will help Obama and (not in the polls, but my guess) other Democrats as well as progressives in general.

    2)Opposition to health care reform is dropping already.

    I’d like to say that this means I am always brilliant, but, no, I’m not. I just come across as arrogant online.

    I think I had this situation figured out and hope it leads to Republicans loosing seats, progressive Democrats gaining seats and future amendments making health care reform more comprehensive and facing any risk of repeal.

    Very good news!

  • chupkar

    There are an awful lot of people that I see online that want what’s in the *law* but won’t believe it’s there even when you show them the language. I suspect there is a big chunk of voters who simply won’t believe anything until it affects them.

  • iggydwonderllama

    I am celebrating, and I was not for it to begin with.

    I would have done things differently. I argued to do things differently. But now that it is done, it is a good thing. And I’m willing (eager) to celebrate for a while before I go back to asking for more.

  • twentyfirstcenturyamerican

    It could have been better, had Quinnipiac given a break-up on the reason for disapproval. Others polls indicate that some of the diapproval stems from the reason that it does not go far enough. At least 13% of them are supporters of single-player system as Rasmussen polls had been consistently indicating. If we take away the single-player/public option supporters from the disapproval list and add them to the approval list (or list of those who think it is good first step), we can see the vast improvements.

  • aussifaire

    DEMS SEEKING TO MEDDLE IN USA PUBLICS MARRIAGES FOR A PROFIT AT EXPENSE OF DESTROYING PUBLICS MARRIAGES…..

    -UNLESS THE PUBLIC THRU SEEKING LEGAL ACTION FORCES THE DEMS TO REPEAL THIS –this is what awaits the public…

    Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)

    A. THIS WOULD MEAN IF GOV WANTS TO MAKE a buck and your marriage isn’t in trouble and GOV WANTS to claim it is YOU ARE IN TROUBLE AND DON’T GET A SAY IN IT????

    how often MISDIAGNOSING occurs is only kept minimal IN OUR CURRENT SYSTEM PRIOR TO VOTE BECAUSE WE HAVE AVENUES TO SUE FOR WRONGFUL DEATH, MALPRACTICE & NEGLIGIENCE—BUT NOT IN THE NEW HEALTHCARE THE DEMS WANT TO PASS….

    B THIS also WOULD MEAN FORCED ABORTIONS—consideing the fact that OBAMA & PELOSI & DEMS & PROGRESSIVES and TRUE progressives think anyone under a certain million dollar point is CONSIDERED & LABELED AS AN —UNDESIREABLE— & DOESN’T have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO LIFE LIBERTY ETC…

    SO-O-O…

    IMMANUEL PELOSI & DEMS also believes that ANIMALS lives are/should be DEEMED MORE VALUABLE than children/elderly/handicapped. Sooo, they have wanted to target everyone over 55 and children & vets.

    CASS SUSSTEIN & PELOSI & DEMS whom believes and says—children are undesireables and therefore up to the age of 2 years old it should be allowed to KILL THEM only Mr. Susstein DOESN’T WANT TO CALL IT MURDER, OR GENICIDE OR HOLOCAUSTING DEMS & ACLU THINK the public will be stupid enough to just call it ABORTION there as well.

    SO DEMS & ACLU want SOC HEALTHCARE WHICH

    1. DOES NOT ALLOW public to seek a 2ND OPINION—so WHEN GOV decides to LIE TO CLAIM you are NOT sick and NOT need meds NOT NEED healthcare…guess whaaat YOU CANNOT GET A 2ND OPINION OR TREATMENT. THEREBY effectively PREVENTING PUBLIC from receiving HEALTH RESTORING MEDS & healthcare. effectively SHORTENING the lifespan of PUBLIC.

    2. DOES NOT ALLOW public to SUE for MALPRATICE OR NEGLIGIENCE OR WRONGFUL DEATH as a result of being DEPRIVED of MEDS & HEALTHCARE.

    3.PAGE 429 GOV SPEEDS UP PUBLICS DEATH IF DYING TOO SLOW GOV ISSUES A GOV ORDER TO FORCE MANDATORY GOV ASSISTED SUICIDE & MANDATORY EUTHANASIA….
    GOV WANT TO DICTATE TREATMENT as your health deterioriates ( as GOV has already ASSURED it WILL by DEPRIVING YOU PUBLIC of MEDS & HEALTHCARE AND… dems want ….IF public ISN’T dying FAST ENOUGH TO SUIT GOV then THE GOV will ISSUE a GOV ORDER FOR YOUR end of life treatment to be brought about in a SPEEDY AND TIMELY fashion LEST GOV SHOULD MISS THEIR GOLF GAME while waiting for the PUBLIC to die while THE PUBLIC PAYS GOV MORE MONEY than oru PRESENT SYSTEM.

    DEMS SEEKING TO FORCE USA PUBLIC TO ILLEGALLY PAY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS HC & TAXES–WHILE VETS & SPECIAL NEEDS PEOPLE DENIED COVERAGE AT ALL FOREVER & MORE

    WHETHER THEY HAVE A PRE-EXISITING CONDITION OR NOT….

    HERE IS WHAT AWAITS THE PUBLIC IF THIS HEALTHCARE ISN’T REPEALED….

    A.DUE TO THE DEMS UNBRIDLED SPENDING —the PUBLIC IS LEFT WITHOUT MEDS & HEALTHCARE INDEFINTELY…

    INSURERS LOVE—-WHY??? THIS BECAUSE INSURERS & DEMS POCKET THE MORE EXPENSIVE CASH WHILE PUBLIC IS LEFT STRANDED TO DIE WITHOUT MEDS & BRANDED AS INT’L CRIMINALS & JAILED ONCE DENIED MEDS IF THEY SEEK MEDS FOR THEIR FAMILIES & VETRANS WHOM FOUGHT IN THE WAR

    SEEK TO REPEAL THIS BOONDOGGLE —THE LIVES YOU SAVE will be your own and YOUR CHILDRENS…

    seek legislative and LEGAL action to get SOC HEALTHCARE & stimulus and bailout kicked out see AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE OR GOOGLE the problems with socialized health care OR GOOGLE handsoffmyhealth.org OR GOOGLE bigGovhealth.org OR stoptheaclu.com OR health science institute OR familysecuritymatters.org OR Alliance Defense

  • Katy Steinmetz

    They did get at that particular question: When asked, 46% of people said they thought the health care reform went too far and 26% said they didn’t think it went far enough. Although they don’t break that result down based on who approved or disapproved, the 46% seems close enough to the 49% disapproval rate to assume that those who thought the reform wasn’t enough didn’t skew the results too much. You can find a plent more health care issue breakdowns on their site

    (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1437)

    that I didn’t get into here.

  • sevenoaks07

    I simply could get through the smoke in aussifaire’s post. So here is a question: why are well so reliant on daily polls to guide our thinking. Had we believed polls in the past Obama should have given up health care.

    Michael: can we wait for a week or two for the information to sink in before we respond to the pollsters and their daily output of bafflegab. Remember they make money out of their enterprise.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Call me gullible, but I, actually did take a look at page 489 of the bill to see if our mental patient who likes cap keys was even 1% correct.

    No, he’s not.

    Page 489 has to do with audits.

  • Friar Tuck

    Thanks for taking a hit for the team, patrick!

  • http://www.dec-nederland.com Richenel

    Isn’t it strange that such a big and (rich) country didn’t have any good health care up till now? It feels like you’re still in the middle ages.

    And even now….it is not even perfect as we have in the Netherlands for example.

    In Europe we have this good system for ages. It covers a lot, healthcare is perfect and far less expensive.

  • maverick2k9

    Well, it seems the people who support health care are the ones who don’t need it.
    .
    It is people like aussifaire who actually need it. Once they are cured of their illness, I expect them to start supporting HCR.. you know, the meds take some time to kick in.

  • diecash1

    NICE CAPS LOCK OBSESSION.
    ..
    What, is the pharmacy all out of lithium? On second thought, maybe a lobotomy might better suit you.

  • shepherdwong

    I see your poll(s) and raise you a poll that shows that your polls don’t mean much, at leasy until people figure out what’s in the HCR legislation:

    A majority of Americans continue to say that they find the bill to be confusing and do not understand what it means for them or their family.

    H/T: freeinpa (never thought I’d type that!): http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001117-503544.html

  • kevin

    I’m impressed you actually bothered to read that. It’s like someone’s using Mad Libs and the John Birch Society newsletter to compose their comments.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Well, if laws weren’t almost always confusing, there wouldn’t be lawyers.

    We’d all just read what it says and defend ourselves in court.

  • hippooath

    . DOES NOT ALLOW public to SUE for MALPRATICE OR NEGLIGIENCE OR WRONGFUL DEATH as a result of being DEPRIVED of MEDS & HEALTHCARE.
    .
    Isn’t that the result of that wonderful magic tort reform that righties always harp about? Aussie – are you complaining about some of the rightie language that was added the bill for no reasons since they didn’t vote yes anyways? It’s probably not true and in the bill but it makes me wonder.

  • nflfoghorn

    “Publics Marriages”???

  • nflfoghorn

    We had to get over the “somebody profits from a broken system” part.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    “Public Marriages”
    .
    Assifaire’s marriage is private.
    His wife made it that way so that she deny even knowing him much less being married to him.

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