The GOP Storm on Health Care Begins to Subside

With the help of TIME’s Katy Steinmetz:

The last few weeks Senate Republicans were all sturm und drang.  “The American people are getting tired of this crap,” Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican told ABC’s This Week. “If [Democrats do reconciliation], it’s going to poison the well for anything else they would like to achieve this year or thereafter.” Stories were written about how they’d bring down the bill in the Senate, drag out the process, kill the bill.

This week, as President Obama basks in the glow of finally getting health care passed the reconciliation fixes sent to the Senate seem not quite so life-and-death. After all, the Tea Party activists have all gone home, the bill has been signed in to law and many of the fixes – such as the stripping out of sweetheart deals – are popular on both sides of the aisle. “I’m not willing to go so far yet as” to write off all bipartisan cooperation, Senator John Cornyn, a Texas Republican who heads the NRSC, told reporters today. “I still hope that on things like financial regulatory reform we’ll be able to see some bipartisan cooperation.

Republicans seem to realize they have lost the momentum, if not the narrative. “What does [filibustering by amendment] do? All that does is, you beat your own drum but you don’t accomplish anything,” said Senator Tom Coburn, an Oklahoma Republican who once said he planned to offer hundreds amendments – his office now says it’ll be more like a few dozen. “We’re not up here to delay. If we can’t win, we can’t win.” Nearly everyone thinks the Senate will adjourn by the end of the week for their Easter recess as planned.

Calls for total repeal have been tempered, though South Carolina Republican Jim DeMint has still introduced legislation for a full repeal that has next to no change of passing. “At this moment it’s not realistic because Barack Obama would veto the bill and we don’t have the votes to override it,” Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona, the No. 2 Senate Republican, told reporters today. “But from the politically standpoint beginning the process is not a bad thing as long as we realize that it’s going to take a long time. And it may be possible to repeal parts of the bill but not the whole bill.”

The new GOP catch phrase is “repeal and replace.” The idea is to use amendments to strike the GOP’s least favorite features of the package, such as tax increases, during reconciliation and beyond. This avoids repealing popular measures, such as extending insurance coverage to children with preexisting conditions, while still keeping the Republican cause alive. The plan “is to highlight those things that caused the American people to hate this bill and to challenge the Democrats to change them and to give them a last opportunity to eliminate them from the legislation,” says Texas Sen. John Cornyn. “The words “repeal and replace” will be a common theme between now and November.”

But some Republicans and Democrats are already looking to turn the page. “People will go home for recess, they’ll come back and they’ll start thinking of other things,” says Senator Bob Corker, a Tennessee Republican who is working on financial reregulation legislation that got postponed due to health care. In fact vacation, after such a grueling year that included votes on Christmas Eve and through many weekends, seems tantalizingly close. “I’m hoping it will be a short week,” Senator Benjamin Cardin, a Maryland Democrat, says laughing. “But it’s really up to the Republicans.”

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  • jimpinter

    Sure seems to me like wishful thinking. I wouldn’t hold my breath on that hope. People are a lot more P. O’d. than you think. I think there will be a lot of grassroots ire to be dealt with.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    “I still hope that on things like financial regulatory reform we’ll be able to see some bipartisan cooperation.”

    Guffaw! Christ, I have slim enough hopes that the dems, governing alone, would craft toothy regulations. GOP promises of bipartisanship in reigning in the captains of industry–puhleeze!

  • acameronw

    Grassroots ire about what, exactly? Ending life time caps? Insuring children with pre-existing conditions? Helping small businesses ensure their workers? Moving more people out of emergency rooms and into doctors offices? Saving lives?
    Maybe the death panels. Oh, wait. That turned out to be a lie. Didn’t it, Governor Palin? Senator Grassley, care to speak up?

  • stuartzechman

    I wonder if reporters are sick to death of covering this story.

  • tstar3

    But Johnny Mac took his ball and went home..”NO BIPARTISANSHIP SOUP FOR YOU”…

    Yet again, the problem with betting it all is that you might lose it all. If you take a gander at “The Page” notice the new USA Today/Gallup poll that shows 49 percent of Americans think the passage of the bill was good vs 41% who think it was bad, and more people are enthusiastic than angry.

    Think about all the people who wanted to start small business but could not because they couldn’t afford the premiums now they can get up to 35% tax credits or higher for their employees insurance.

    So, please guys repeal the bill and watch your base go smaller than the 22% self identified. Take Grandma’s $250 check from her, take the recent college grad’s healthcare insurance away from him, tell little Debbie she is going to have to ask her parents to put their house on the market in order for her to get treatment for her violent seizures that insurance companies label a pre-existing condition.

    And yes Repeal and Replace is really catchy, kinda like for it before I was against it.The only thing that could be worse for the GOP is if this bill gave infants lollipops and puppies funny hats to wear.REPEAL

    I will close with a quote from then Sen Obama “They must think you’re stupid”

  • earljr1

    This whole process was disgusting and adds yet another chapter to “hijacking the American Constitution”. If this putrid bill is the best democrats can do, then shame, shame on the whole sorry lot. Back room deals, out right lying about transparency and some really “voodoo” economics, makes you really wonder about who these people are serving…the public, or themselves. We will get the answer, come November. The American public will not forget this sham of dirty, rotten politics. P.S. I see where the leadership managed to EXCLUDE themselves from this coverage…now I just wonder what possessed them to do that? Not good enough for them, I guess.

  • deconstructiva

    Jay, the R’s would be wise to move on, but there’s a catch. I think finance reform will be big with the public since fin. failures caused the recession. The R’s could take the lead and some credit for cleaning up the mess, esp. since tea party protesters want to stop financial corruption, Wall St. bailouts, etc. …
    …but if they do (I’m not betting on it), they’ll p/ss off their corporate backers and weaken their support even more. Now that’s a dilemma. Good luck with that.
    .
    …but speaking of Tea Party reactions, Jay, I just read your tweet (and these posts today; I was at the cat shelter feeding and playing with cats all day). What the hell happened with a TP protester? Did someone confront / slur you (or worse)? Where was this? No one should treat YOU that way and if so, he should be called out for it. I hope things are ok.

  • anon76

    Someone accosted Jay? Were they wearing a stethoscope? I think that The Physician has struck again.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Did they just cut Saint John of McCain’s legs out from underneath him?

  • greenlyfe

    Yeah.

    They haven’t stopped being dicks. John McCain was telling the truth, they’re taking their ball and going home but not before they trash the senate as much as possible.

    Check out there new obstructive techniques:
    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/23/senate-unanimous-consent/

    There is a little-known rule in the Senate stating that hearings can’t happen after 2:00 p.m. each day without unanimous consent. However, every day, at the start of business, the Senate generally agrees, by unanimous consent, to waive this rule and continue with the necessary business of holding hearings.Republicans, however, are now refusing to give unanimous consent and are blocking the hearings. Today, during a Senate Homeland Security Subcommittee hearing on transparency, Sen. Tom Carper (D-DE) announced that he had to stop the proceedings because of Republican blocks:

    I have just been advised by my staff that on the floor of the Senate there has been a move to stop all the proceedings in hearings that are going on in the Senate, and we are compelled to stop at this point in time. And I regret it, but there are rules here when we reach point in time and unless there’s unanimous consent to proceed for — as you may recall — unless there’s unanimous consent in the Senate to be able to proceed, we can only go on for so long and then we have to stop our hearings. And the whistle has blown. Unfortunately, we and all the other committees and subcommittees that are holding hearings have to, at this time, cease. I feel very badly about that. It’s not my doing.

    It’d be nice if you’d report this out too. It’s like the Bunning mess IMO. And apparently, TP goes on to quote staffers who believe this will continue.

  • http://www.yahoo.com melpol

    No longer will countless natives in the jungles and swamp lands of the nation have to rely on Voodoo to relieve them of their ailments. They will now be updated to modern medicine with nationalized healthcare. Doctors will be setting up offices in undeveloped areas ready to accept those that never sat in a waiting room before. There is no cost to patients that can barely afford the clothes on their back or the straw roofs over their heads. The doctors and nurses will be paid generously.

  • gysgt213

    “The new GOP catch phrase is “repeal and replace.” The idea is to use amendments to strike the GOP’s least favorite features of the package, such as tax increases, during reconciliation and beyond.”
    .
    JNS-Not sure where you got this from, but it BS. The base of the GOP wants a total repeal of everything in the bill. They will stand for nothing less.

  • superfly47

    Republicans spent the past year criticizing Democrats for focusing on health care instead of jobs.

    If they truly believed that, logically they wouldn’t do anything to delay the inevitable because everyday spent on it is another not on jobs and the economy.

    Its obvious to everyone that they are just playing games. It only appeases their base, who would voted for them anyway. It hurts their message for mid-terms and reinforces the Democrat one that they are the party of no and obstruction.

  • americanophile

    Note from the grammar police, Jay:

    “sturm und drang”

    is German and in that language all nouns are written with capital letters,

    Sturm und Drang

    - and it’s really coined in the Romantic Period as a description of Goethe’s novel about Werther.

    - the same goes for Schadenfreude.

  • Michael Dance

    jimpinter — by the same token, a lot *fewer* people are PO’d about it than *you* think. And those numbers are just going to dwindle in the months ahead.
    .
    I mean, it’s been two days and already Republicans are backpedaling their “repeal the bill” cries.
    .
    Makes political sense, though, especially since all the rhetoric of “Americans are against the bill” was hot air and they knew it. 1/4 of those against were of that position because it didn’t go far enough. And the rest liked the bill a lot more when they were asked about the individual components.
    .
    In case anybody didn’t catch the Gallup poll today: 49% percent of Americans thought the passage was a good thing versus 40% who didn’t.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    They must have received a lot of calls from the Insurance companies in the last 24 hours asking them if they are crazy?

  • artraveler

    No Easter recess until they do their work. Otherwise, if they want to play the delay game, let them stay there and skip any campaigning. Bring up bill after bill so there is no break until summer. Let them find out how people with real jobs have to live!

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Earl,
    You have an interesting choice of words considering the history of the term “vodoo” economics.
    It was what George Bush Sr. called Reagan’s supply side economics since supply side economics has incredibly little, if any, academic support. Of course it was adopted by Democrats for the next two elections.

    “hijacking the American Constitution”.
    How?
    Please explain.

    I do understand that you will see more directly than most if not all of us what these changes will do, but, I think it is fair to say that I know the constitution as well as you you do and see no possible way that this is at all outside of normal legislation.

  • aussifaire

    EVERY ILLEGAL ALIENS SPONGES DREAM—OBAMA & DEMS NEW HEALTHCARE….

    USA PUBLIC will be RENDERED an EXPENDIBLE SLAVE with NO MEDS, NO HEALTHCARE & TAX PAYING SLAVES FOR ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS—-UNLESS USA PUBLIC FORCES WASH DC SLUGS TO REPEAL THIS BOONDOGGLE HERE IS WHAT AWAITS USA PUBLIC….

    1. USA WILL BECOME SHARIA LAW MUSLIM OWNED NATION– U NATION DICTATOR TO USA PULIC….USA PUBLIC WILL LOSE ALL RIGHTS & FREEDOMS EFFECTIVLY DESTROYING OUR CONSTITUTION SO ANY CITIZEN WILL BE ABLE TO BE ARRESTED BY ANY MUSLIM & ON TRUMPED UP CHARGES THROWIN INTO JAIL WITHOUT TRIAL, WITHOUT PROTECTION FROM DOUBLE JEOPARD & WITHOUT NEED FOR UNANIMOUS VERDICT–FOREVER

    2. ALL MUSLIM PRISONERS WILL BE RELEASED FROM PRISON FREE TO RAPE, MURDER, & COMMIT TERRORIST ACTIVITIES TO ALL NON-MUSLIMS BECAUSE THEIR RULES STATES MUSLIMS ARE EXEMPT FROM PROSECUTION.

    ***IN CASE YOU HAVE HEARD YET OBAMA & DEMS ARE ALREADY MAKING PLANS FOR AMNESTY FOR THESE PEOPLE.

    SO KIDS YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT FOREVER HAVING—

    a. JOBS–that pay more than a pittance IF THEY PAY AT ALL.
    b.MP3′S
    C. IPOD’S
    D. WEB
    e. web based business EVER
    F. movies say good bye to childhood
    G.GOOD HEALTH–because childrens immune systems are NOT FULLY FORMED and unable to fight off even minor sraps & scratches WITHOUT MEDICINE.

    BECAUSE THE ONLY ONE’S whom will be WORKING/PARTYING HEARTY are the TOO BIG TO FAIL COMPANIES EVERYONE else will be OUT OF WORK AND 1 OR 2 DOLLAR A DAY WELL FARE—BECAUSE THE DEMS JUST LIKE ANY TRUE PROGRESSIVE HATE PROFIT FOR ANYONE EXCEPT THEIR TOO WASH DC SLUGS & TOO BIG TO FAIL COMPANIES on BAILOUT OF COURSE…. because PROGRESSIVE’S DON’T FEEL THEY SHOULD HAVE TO RUN THEIR BUSINESSES EFFICIENTLY WHEN THEY HAVE A GULLIBLE PUBLIC TO PAY FOR THESE BUSINESSES IRRESPONSIBILTY.

    DID YOU KNOW AN UNTREATED EAR INFECTION WILL CAUSE PERMANT HANDICAPPING/DEATH ESPECIALLY IN CHILDREN

    DID YOU KNOW??? ALLERGIES/ASTHMA LEFT UNTREATED WILL CAUSE PERMANT HANDICAPPING/DEATH ESPECIALLY IN CHILDREN???

    WELL….DEMS DID AND STILL WANT TO SELL THE USA DOWN THE RIVER EXPECTING THE UNSUSPECTING USA PUBLIC TO PAY FOR illegal & UNCONSTITUTIONAL HEALTHCARE BY EXISTING WITHOUT FOOD MEDS HOUSING JOBS & WITH THE LOSS OF FREEDOM & LOSS OF LIFE …SO DEMS CAN LIVE ON PORK AND EVERY ILLEGAL ANYBODY MOOCH OFF THE PUBLIC.

    seek legislative and LEGAL action to get OBAMA HC & stimulus and bailout kicked out see American center for law and justice OR GOOGLE the problems with socialized health care OR GOOGLE handsoffmyhealth.org OR GOOGLE bigGovhealth.org OR stoptheaclu.com OR Southeastern Legal Foundation OR health science institute OR familysecuritymatters.org OR alliance defense

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    I think, under the new HCR, you might be able to find medical help for this condition, Earl. One can hope.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Schadenfreude: to feel joy from the suffering of others.

    You, know, that is the opposite of what I feel for the Republicans right now.

    I feel bad for them.

    Maybe we could do something for them. How about we let them pick the next country to invade randomly?
    That kind of thing makes them happy, right? :)

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Yeah, but don’t forget that their supporters are the kind that _like_ the idea of preventing health care reform – even if it benefits themselves – because it means they’re sticking it to “big gub’mint”. And the Dems. Gotta piss off the Dems, even if it hurts us, too.

  • Friar Tuck

    EVERY ILLEGAL ALIENS SPONGES DREAM
    .
    Wow, spob. You really honked off QuestionHillary this time.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Look, dude – ease off on the friggin’ caps-lock, eh? At this point, I don’t give a fuch what your message is: you’re a moron. Your love of all caps tells me that. Your message is irrelevant. And un-read.

  • deconstructiva

    Speaking of Schadenfreude and the “1001 Nights”, if Scheherazade’s tyrant husband Shahryar had been deposed after killing 3000 previous wives, would Scheherazade’s feelings of joy / relief be called Scheherazadenfreude?

  • deconstructiva

    … anon, now I can imagine Dr. Rusty and other brethren at TP pep rallies for real. I’d bet Jay would kick his ass …let alone what KT would do if she met him face to face.

  • Friar Tuck

    Yes.
    .
    This has been another in a continuing series of brief answers to simple questions.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Nice,
    When it comes to Earl, besides that I do believe him that he is a doctor, I had an intelligent dialog with him earlier.
    He called me out on the most random error I made: the foreign policy of 1940 Republican Presidential Candidate Wendell Wilkie.
    He is bright.

    In this debate, however, people arguing for the conservative side so often leave these cliff hangers of unsubstantiated statements.
    For cliff hangers, I usually watch TV by renting all of the CDs on Netflix and, if I have enough time, will go right on to the next episode. I hate cliff hangers.

    As far as being online and people claiming to be different than they are, did I ever tell any of the ladies out there that I look exactly like Perice Brosnan did in the 1980s? :)
    Bluffing online if very common.
    Earl does not seem to be bluffing.

  • kevin

    Yep, the polls have already shifted dramatically in support of this bill, and as more people learn about the good things that are actually in it, and realize the lies about death panels and Medicare rationing and all the rest are just lies, it’ll be even more pronounced.
    .
    But please, Republicans, don’t let reality stand in your way. It never has before.

  • kevin

    Seriously, no one reads the all caps, champ.
    .
    Type it like a grown-up, and then we can read your insane ramblings.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I can’t tell if this is an immature person mimicking somebody with a severe mental disorder or if this is somebody with a severe mental disorder.

    I didn’t major in psychology.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    I didn’t major in psych either, but I’d guess that (including me) 5 people responding to the tin-foil basement dweller will induce him to stick around and assault us with yet more capped-nuttery.

  • kevin

    Whatever keeps him from roaming the street, exposing himself to old ladies.

  • deconstructiva

    Imagine a shouting match between Rusty and Aussiefaire. Just not here; I don’t wish that upon poor Jay during one of her threads. She may already having enough problems IRL with TP protesters; hopefully she’s ok. Let MS or JK host the R vs. A shoutfest instead.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Now Kevin, don’t give him any ideas–then he’d be encroaching on my territory!

  • bobcn1

    Please continue to use all caps. It makes your posts easier to recognize and ignore.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    When you toss out phrases like “The whole process was disgusting” and “another chapter in hijacking the Constitution,” you strike me as a way-out-there wingnut.
    .
    The horse-trading, procedural rules, etc, have been part of the process since its inception. Anyone who does not yet realize that is either misleading or incredibly naive.
    .
    Hijacking the Constitution is a little more plausible, but reasonable arguments have been made on both sides. It’ll probably come down to a very fine – or narrow – interpretation of the Constitution.
    .
    Earl strikes me as a mouth-frother.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    The shorter answer would have been “No,” Friar.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    And you’re absolutely sure, Kevin, that the old ladies don’t enjoy this…?

  • shepherdwong

    “I didn’t major in psychology.”
    .
    I did. You’d have to be pretty “mature” to fake that kind of crazy.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Either he is on one of his ten hour shifts as ER doctors are, or, when asked to clarify things, he is experiencing severe constipation of the keyboard.
    He won’t type sh

  • Cliff

    According to Joe Klein, old ladies strongly disapprove of our use of asterisk-laden profanity in the Swampland comments.
    .
    At least, I assume it’s old ladies. It could have just been Richard Cohen throwing a tantrum after spilling his nappy-time milk.

  • Cliff

    I know jcapan disapproves, but this has some crazy potential.
    .
    SO KIDS YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT FOREVER HAVING—
    a. CARD GAMES–that use more than one deck IF THEY USE CARDS AT ALL.
    b. TURKEY
    C. NOSES
    D. LIGHT
    e. offroad vehicles EVER
    F. monopoly boardgame say good bye to childhood
    G. STRAIGHT BACKS–because adults spines are NOT FULLY FORMED and unable to correct themselves even after minor sraps & scratches WITHOUT CHIROPRACTORS.

  • nibblybits

    What a joke. The party that claims “fiscal responsibility” wants to strike down the parts that attempt to fund this bill.

    Raising taxes on anyone, including the rich, isn’t politically popular, but at least the Dems made a good faith effort to pay for the benefits of reform. Can we just dispense with the fable that Republicans care one iota about deficits or fiscal soundness?

  • zjfelling

    Please Earl, for the sake of having an intellectual debate, delve beyond simple talking points. Exactly what “voodoo” economics are you talking about? (The CBO report was hardly the democrats’ creation.) Back-room deals are not new to either party, and many have been stripped out of the legislation (i.e. Cornhusker kickback and the Bank of Bismarck deal). If the bill is actually “hijacking the constitution”, then the supreme court should have no problem striking down the legislation, correct?

  • zjfelling

    Perhaps they needed their mid-afternoon naps. Being a senator after-all is awfully laborious.

  • zjfelling

    I’m new to swampland; I must admit the ridiculousness of that post did make me laugh.

  • maverick2k9

    assfaire says “SO KIDS YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT FOREVER HAVING—

    D. WEB ”
    ..
    and then goes on to say :

    “GOOGLE the problems with socialized health care OR GOOGLE handsoffmyhealth”
    ..
    Umm.. Dude, how can we google if we dont have the web?????

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    How ’bout we call them “Fiscally Responsible In Name Only” – or FRINO?

  • choska

    Wow, quotes from the “wise men” of the GOP: McCain, Coburn, DeMint, Cornyn, and Corker.

    Jay must be a glutton for punishment, or she is a sadist who loves forcing us to read more illogical, fact-less statements from those clowns.

    The next time a member of the GOP says something insightful – or related to reality – it will be the first time. What’s odd is that you would think that Jay, who has been quoting the GOP for years, would ultimately come to realize that truth for herself.

  • shepherdwong

    Cliff: Awesome, though, could use more caps.

  • Cliff

    THANKS TO OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS we will have our CAPITAL LETTERS STRIPPED off of every KEYBOARDS.
    .
    also they WILL TAKE OUR SPOONS

  • square1

    According to Joe Klein, old ladies strongly disapprove of our use of asterisk-laden profanity in the Swampland comments even more than they disapprove of old, dirty men exposing themselves in the streets. Although he admitted his study was informal and unscientific.

  • apr2563

    http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/a/m/americandad/2010/03/an-open-letter-to-conservative.php?ref=mp
    To the conservatives posting on this site, this link is sent to you with love.

  • apr2563

    Dirty rotten politics you say?
    My Dirty Rotten Scoundrel hero, Ruprecht would want you to know:
    Oh, Earl! “This is the happiest day of my life. I think my testicles are dropping!”
    And none too soon.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “You really honked off QuestionHillary this time.”
    .
    I’m not sure. QH was funnier. And she called BHO The Once rather than Obama. I mean OBAMA.

  • gthog61

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    I love this new story that everyone is going to fall in love with obamacare and just benignly roll over and accept it.

    Keep wishing really really hard.

    The press really is exactly like the press used to be in the USSR. “Here i your new government program ad you will like it.”

    You really want to be that the federal government isn’t going to screw this up and that the bogus cost projections really are going to come true? You really want to bet that each time congress goes back for more moneyto throw into this rathole that people ar just going to smail and quietly say “Yes”. I am glad Time now OWNS this just like the dems do.

  • kbanginmotown

    The “ear infection” thing, though. Wasn’t that one of Rusty’s pet case studies about the dangers of Rationed Care and Socialized Medicine? Just sayin’…

  • kbanginmotown

    C’mon, JC. Joe has neither the time nor legal expertise to figure out what wads up old ladies’ panties…

  • stuartzechman

    This isn’t QH.
    .
    QH would have called Obama “Skippy Obongo.”

  • kbanginmotown

    Stuart: Your question, though probably rhetorical, does give me pause:
    .
    After nearly 2 years of non-stop “process” coverage of the 2008 elections, I would have thought that the press had burnt out on inside baseball reporting.
    .
    But, like the true junkies they are, they rolled up their sleeves, cleaned their needles and dove head-first into HCR in 2009.
    .
    Everyone now gets two weeks off for spring break (aka rehab) and swears off ever doing something like this again.
    .
    Come mid April, they’ll be walking down the street and pass a newly-opened Sausage Shoppe: “Ye Olde 2010 Mid-Term Elections”. “I’ll just take a quick look inside”, they say to themselves, “what could it hurt…?”

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    I see:
    What you are saying is “You can run, but you can’t glide”.
    Thanks Homer.

  • sam43231

    Thank you! Thank you! Every American family will now have to pay $2000 more for health insurance. Of course, we all have $2000 sitting around we just didn’t know what to do with and now we have something to spend it on! Employers, facing added fees of $2000 per employee will lay off some of their workers in order to pay the extra costs for the ones they keep and unemployment will rise even higher. Say goodbye to the hope of economic recovery. The bill dumps millions of additional people into medicare–but the Federal government only pays a percentage of the cost–the rest has to be payed by states (and the bill specifies a larger and larger percentage has to be paid by the states as time goes by). Thank you! Thank you for this unfunded state mandate and for the inevitable raises in state taxes and/or layoffs of more teachers and police officers. And thank you, thank you for the deficit reductions in this bill–which will more than be eaten up by the doc fix. Democrats strategically left the doc fix out of this bill so that they could claim deficit reduction. Thank you, thank you Congress. Higher insurance premiums, higher unemployment, higher state taxes, and a growing deficit!!! I can wait to see what problems Congress will “solve” next.

  • palininatowel

    “The press really is exactly like the press used to be in the USSR.”
    .
    Hey, at least you didn’t use “Hitler!” Congrats!

  • nflfoghorn

    “…Republican Jim DeMint has still introduced legislation for a full repeal that has next to no change of passing.”

    …and NO CHANCE of being spelled correctly?

  • http://www.altruance.com altruance

    A large part of the GOP base are small business owners and many are in a panic thinking that these reform bills are going to close them down. When these business owners take some time to look through the details they will find very little impact. Surely that can not be good for the party long term.

    http://www.altruance.com/2010/03/health-insurance-reform-small-business-impact/

  • 3xfire3

    earljr1,
    Good Post.
    I hope you do not get discouraged with all the garbage posted by liberals commenting about your posts. They claim all non-liberals are closed minded. As you have noticed by now, their minds are totally closed. You can not have an intelligent conversation with them. They truly want the USA to become a Socialist European type country.
    As far as JNS’s comment that the “Storm on HC is Subsiding” it is only wishful thinking.
    The American public will Remember in November and vote out a lot of Democrats that were involved in this high jacking of the Constitution.

  • http://www.yahoo.com melpol

    It is true that the costs of Social Security and Medicare are sky rocketing but it poses no problem for Uncle Sam. Large increases in the payroll tax will keep the checks flowing and medical expenses paid for older Americans. It also would increase productivity, a hungry worker is a better employee. Overpaid workers are obese, spoiled, and need their fat trimmed.

  • queencersei

    When will they ever learn that what goes around comes around? Eventually they will be back on top. And when that happens I’m sure they will be shocked when the Dems turn the tables and use these same tactics on them.

  • 3xfire3

    sam43231,
    Don’t you know you’re not supposed to use Facts on the Liberal Site?
    Facts are not part of the liberal mythology. You are only allowed to use liberal created facts that support liberal views of how the world should be.
    Post must always contain a least some demonizing of non-liberals. That is a prerequisite of all posts.
    The purpose of this site is as follows:
    1. Provide a platform for TIME reporters to promote their liberal views of the world.
    2. Provide a platform for liberals to tell each other how smart they are and how dumb everybody else in is.
    3. As a place to worship Barrack Obama.
    4. As a place totally void of open minds.
    5. As a place totally void of actual intelligent discussion of ideas unless they are about agreed upon liberal talking points.
    6. A place never to be used by Americans that have different political views to discuss those views and learn from each other. That would be a totally misuse of this site.

  • Ivy_B

    Agree it isn’t QH. I think she is now a total Twit – oh, I meant Twitter person. I looked and she has over 2,000 followers. Clearly she has found an appreciative audience.

  • wandmdave

    3xfire3,
    You could have saved everyone some time and just posted, “NO U!!!!”. That is about all you said there.

    As far as November being a referendum for the bill, conservatives should be careful what they wish for or you just might get it.

  • 3xfire3

    wandmdave,

    Apparently you need reading glasses. You are unable to see the views of people who do not share your liberal ideas of the world.
    November will be very sweet.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Fire,
    Words have meaning.
    They aren’t just cool looking symbols to put up on a page.

    Socialism is a highly specific ideology, for example.

    When one says something is unconstitutional, it is as a significant as my saying that I will call the police on you for a crime you committed to have you arrested.
    Should somebody say something like this, you will roll your eyes and say, “What is this guy talking about? Crime? Of course not!”

    Unconstitutional means that this law has broken with our legal tradition and the safety we all very much seek from our laws.
    ….
    People saying that this bill will bankrupt the country is a parallel to your accountant or, more likely, your bank saying “you have no money left”. If you thought that you did have money, you would have to ask, “What do you mean ‘no money’ as in less than you thought I would have or what?”

    This is what we call intelligent debate.
    We all agree that our founding fathers created the first amendment primarily for the freedom to debate political issues to find a greater understanding of facts.

    If you just toss up random words, it completely remains your right, but, you are becoming like Aussiefire, just being random.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Fire,
    Did you ever turn on the food channel and see Emerald?
    I saw his show three or four times.

    He takes a spice like, say, paprika and says, “Now I am going to add in some PAPRIKA!”
    The crowd starts cheering for a flavor.
    It is funny to watch people cheering a flavor.

    You guys cheer on random words.
    “Socialist!”
    Conservatives cheer.
    “Anti-American!”
    The crowds cheer.
    “Nazissssss!”
    The crowds go nuts.

    This is making fun sounds but not communicating.

  • stuartzechman

    The bill dumps millions of additional people into medicare
    .
    This is factually incorrect.
    .
    The bill dumps millions of additional people into Medicaid, which is a completely different program of means-tested welfare, not an entitlement.
    .
    link to “Obama’s Revised Health Insurance Plan Expands Medicaid Eligibility”

    CNSNews.com
    Obama’s Revised Health Insurance Plan Expands Medicaid Eligibility
    .
    Monday, February 22, 2010
    .
    By Susan Jones, Senior Editor
    .
    The new plan posted on the White House Web site does not include a public option per se — but it would expand Medicaid eligibility to more individuals.
    .
    “Starting on January 1, 2014, all low-income, non-elderly and non-disabled individuals will be eligible for Medicaid,” the plan says. “This includes unemployed adults and working famlies – all people with income below $29,000 for a family of four (133% of poverty).
    .
    “The Federal Government will support States by providing 100% of the cost of newly eligible people between 2014 and 2017, 95% of the costs between 2018 and 2019, and 90 percent matching for subsequent years.”

    If you are aware of evidence that disputes this source, please link to and provide quotes to a differing account of these facts.

  • stuartzechman

    3xfire3:
    .
    Don’t you know you’re not supposed to use Facts on the Liberal Site?
    .
    You were saying…?

  • bvilleyellowdog

    Dems looking forward to November have to be hoping – in secret – that the GOPers will double down on their thumping.

  • http://scrimbul.wordpress.com scrimbul

    wandmdave, QFT

    3xfire3, might I suggest gasoline over yourself to express the ‘outrage’ you see coming in November.

    Once you put it on Youtube, more people may ‘win’ from you devolving to acting like the very same muslim terrorists your side ‘saved’ us from than you’d think over this ‘debacle’.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Sam,
    There are specialized professions in the United States during the twenty first century and most of the twentieth as well.

    There is one specialty called “Economics”.

    Due to a huge number of things happening in an economy at the same time, even with multi variable calculus, it is very difficult to isolate cause and effect, but, having existed for over two hundred years, they have become good at it.

    Now, if you break your arm, you do not ask your fourth grade teacher to help.
    If your car needs repair, you do not take it to your lawyer.
    If you are going to sue your neighbor, you do not ask the homeless man in the shopping center for help.

    We go to people called economists.

    Individually, we seldom if ever do.

    Since there are three hundred million Americans including tens of thousands of economists, they voluntarily as a part of their work for universities, think tanks and some large corporations on things like this.

    If you want to say that this will, despite decades of estimates from these specialists called economists, please bring up a link to one who supports your presumption.

    If not, please limit your comments to how much you, personally, dislike this bill because doctors and smart people scare you.

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    Stuart,
    We were typing at the same time.
    You just made the point far better than I did.

  • 3xfire3

    Scrimbul,

    I’m sure all the Liberals on this site are very proud to have you as a outstanding member of their team.

    You are a perfect example of the points I have been making for a long time about Liberals.

  • earljr1

    Patrick, you were right, A VERY busy work schedule has kept me from re-posting. I was in the O.R. for fourteen hours yesterday and it looks like more of the same, today. My commentary about hi-jacking the Constitution pertains to being governed by the will of the people. It clearly states that government should abide by that will and in this particular case, that requirement was NOT met. A large segment of what ultimately will make HCR work (the physician base) was IGNORED. The majority of our public (61%) said re-do it and get it right and they were ignored. This does not bode well for democrats and it is my personal feeling they will suffer the consequences at the ballot box.

  • jymallyn

    The Bozo Vote will find something to bitch about and another way to try to pee on Obama.

    They will possibly next try to say that by having Obama’s mother-in-law living with them has the Obama’s avoiding paying taxes on their help or is giving a job to someone who needs it.

    Unlike Sarah Palin’s grandson, Obama’s children are legitimate.

    However, I am sure that Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh will try to give birth to THEIR next Rosemary’s Baby.

    (Think about THAT metaphor for a while.)

    (If you dare.)

  • http://patricksartor.wordpress.com patricksartor

    It has not been easy to figure out exactly where public support is.
    Before the bill was proposed, there was this from the NY Times:
    http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/06/21/health/policy/21poll_graphic_ready.html

    A Gallup Poll yesterday said this:
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/126929/slim-margin-americans-support-healthcare-bill-passage.aspx

    I wish I found the poll somebody else found and posted that said that 13% of the people found the bill too conservative and, therefore, were unlikely to vote Republican in protest, but imaginably, to vote for more liberal Democrats if there is a primary challenge.

    So, as I had hoped, you didn’t go for the ignorant part of this debate and start bringing up SS or Commissars coming down the street to take control over everything or absurd and disturbing things like that.

    You may live in a conservative part of the country.

    I am in New York City. Specifically, a part of Queens, the most ethically diverse county in the United States.
    This isn’t exactly Republican territory here where I am.

    My suspicion is that, even if the people at your hospital and, possibly, your congressional district are outraged and infuriated, that is not at all the national mood.
    ….
    My suspicion is that in anyplace that is not overwhelmingly Republican, the outrage would be at the Republicans and they will pay at the ballot box. While die hard Republican districts will remain die hard

    Earl, thanks for joining us. It is refreshing to see a conservative who is not frothing out the mouth, but just disagrees.

  • http://wearley26.wordpress.com wearley26

    OK… now that the health care bill is law, it is time to get down to the business of implementation. I think it is time to final a blue ribbon commission to start to deal with the 800 pound elephants in the room, like costs, like number of available health care workers, like fraud and abuse, like medical liability. I propose several equal commissions. A national group of our best minds. Also a group for each state or region of the country consisting of everyday people who are unknown to the political class. Then merge all of the suggestions from each group together and start to change the law in a way that will make it work for real.

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