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Foxman on Petraeus?

Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League has, according to Andrew Sullivan, indirectly accused General David Petraeus of “blaming the Jews for everything.” I’m not sure that Foxman had Petraeus, specifically, in mind–or maybe just the vast majority of humans who are concerned about Israel’s continuing colonization of Palestinian lands. This is, after all, the same Abe Foxman, and the same Anti-Defamation League, who accused me of being an anti-Semite a few years ago. The idea that those of us who support Israel, and believe that it will only survive if a supple Palestinian state is created next to it, “blame the Jews for everything” when an extremist Likud government is taking steps that (a) make a Palestinian state impossible and (b) thumbing its nose at the United States and (c) making life more difficult for the US military in the region, as Petraeus said…is well beyond myopic semiti-centrism. It is dangerous twaddle.

Here is a basic rule that should be observed in these matters: We Jews have a fairly difficult time convincing the rest of the world of the justice inherent in the existence of a Jewish State under the best of circumstances. It becomes somewhat more difficult when the arguments we make are ridiculous.

Related Topics: Abe Foxman, Anti-Defamation League, David Petraeus, israel, Uncategorized
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  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Big ol’ yawn over the personality-based pissing contest that constantly consumes anything related to U.S. policy towards Israel. World’s biggest broken record …

  • CP in FL

    Joe – There is a typo in your post. “…(c) making like more difficult for the US military in the region…”

    This should read: making LIFE more difficult in the reason. If only the spell checker could figure out what we meant to say.

  • CP in FL

    Stupid spell checker. reason = region.

  • nflfoghorn

    I think this one’s legit. It’s the forerunner to “if you don’t support our reasons for going to war against Saddam, you’re anti-terrorist and anti-American.”

  • nflfoghorn

    Heck, I love my kids, but do I agree with **everything** they do?

  • stuartzechman

    Joe Klein:
    .
    Here is the actual quote from Foxman, appearing in the excellent left-wing political news blog, Jane Hamsher’s FireDogLake (link to Spencer Ackerman’s blog):


    A million thanks to FNord
    [ link to the blog commenter who alerted Ackerman (of course) ] for catching this – my life is too fleeting to spend reading the Jerusalem Post — but it would appear that Abe Foxman, that frivolous poltroon, is warning of a new danger rising in the shtetl: [ link to the Jerusalem Post piece ]

    Israel should immediately battle a charge emerging in the US that its actions are endangering the lives of US soldiers, because it is a particularly “pernicious” argument that “smacks of blaming the Jews for everything,” Anti-Defamation League National Chairman Abe Foxman said on Monday.
    .
    Foxman, in an interview with The Jerusalem Post, was replying to an emerging theme that has run through the public discussion in the US of the Interior Ministry’s announcement of plans to build 1,600 housing units in northeast Jerusalem’s Ramat Shlomo neighborhood: that Israel’s actions could cost the lives of American soldiers.


    That sentiment was expressed by such noted antisemites as Gen. David Petraeus
    [ link to piece on Petraeus' plan to put West Bank under Centcom control ], the U.S. Central Command chief who tried and failed to get Israel, the West Bank and Gaza placed under his area of responsibility.
    .
    At the risk of concern-trollery, allow me to offer some free advice to my shtetlmate Foxman: Do not f*ck with David Petraeus. Do not come within a football field of implying he is an antisemite. Do not formulate any construction, no matter how weaselly and crass and insulting to the intelligence, that leaves the slightest, faintest, remotest indication that he has any animus at all to Israel or the Jewish people.
    .
    Indeed, let’s take a look at what that weasel word was. We cannot discuss the security implications for the United States of Israeli actions, Foxman instructs, because that “smacks of blaming the Jews.” Yes, it “smacks.” It leaves a bad taste in Foxman’s sour mouth. Something is “smacking” Foxman’s delicate sensibilities, and it’s the prospect of a grown-up argument about what Israel does and what that means to the United States.

    I hope that this gives you some more context to Sullivan’s post, Joe Klein.

  • mni08

    Anyone who disagree with Israel these days is called Anti Semite…. not minding if the person is Jewish or friend of the Jewish people. Even Obama has been called so. . . and this is from Haaretz., see link below

    Netanyahu’s brother-in-law: Obama is an anti-Semite:

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s brother-in-law Dr. Hagai Ben-Artzi on Wednesday called U.S. President Barack Obama an anti-Semite in an interview with Army Radio.

    “It’s not that Obama doesn’t like Bibi,” he referring to Netanyahu using his nickname. “He doesn’t like the nation of Israel.”

    http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1157061.html

  • nflfoghorn

    “Do not f*ck with David Petraeus”
    .
    “Now Rielle, on the other hand…” –J Edwards

  • formerlyjames

    Just typical slogan hurling. Want proper government services and regulation = socialist. Don’t support US invasions, whatever the legality = Anti-American. Don’t support everything Israel does = Anti-Semite. Cheap and easy form of argument.

  • Ike Jakson

    Joe

    I thought you solved all these problems a year ago already. What’s holding you back?

    http://ikejakson.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/building-bridges-burning-others-an-incredible-journey-special-update-for-swampland/

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    And let’s not forget, of course, that Arabs are a Semitic people, too. The term Anti-Semite has been monopolized to refer solely to anti-Judeaic sentiments. So, for those Arabs who are rightfully vehement in their opposition to Israeli policies of expansion, are they self-hating Semites?

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Defamation League. Ha! Indeed.

  • grape_crush

    It becomes somewhat more difficult when the arguments we make are ridiculous.

    Unfortunately, it’s only going to be an ever-escalating set of absurd and hateful arguments from the Likudniks that will allow Washington to finally move away from its reflexive support of Israel above all other considerations.

    Maybe, ultimately, the Abe Foxmans out there will go so far overboard in their criticisms that they will marginalize themselves out of serious discussion, letting the cooler and more pragmatic heads find a solution that works.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    As it currently stands, though, they have simply marginalized serious discussion. Period. It will take time, and excessive hyperbole and slander, before AIPAC begins to lose the American public’s unquestioning loyalty. However, there certainly must be a point in the future when everyday people question the odd rationale for lopsided support for Israel. The tired narrative must die.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    I think you mean pro-terrorist…

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    > Maybe, ultimately, the Abe Foxmans out there will go so far overboard in their criticisms that they will marginalize themselves out of serious discussion, letting the cooler and more pragmatic heads find a solution that works.
    .
    This, I strongly doubt. Look at how ridiculous the Repugs got during the Bush years – that f’ing “flag-pin” BS during the elections, fer example. However, only a relative few of us understand the danger of the mind-set to which formerlyjames refers in #5. Anyone who didn’t parrot that crap was considered “inconsequential.” All the “serious” people were focused on flag-pins.

  • rdw56

    JOE is just dancing here looking for something to grab hold and move sentment toward Palestine. Petraeus would be a good way to do that but Petraeus has to be quoted accurately and that’s not the case. This is largely a waste of time. The story in Palestine is Obama and his bull in the china shop mgt of the entire Middle East.

    For example there is more speculation on why Obama is harder on allies than enemies than on Palestine. Russia, China, Iraq, NK and others have pissed on his shoes and he still grovels. Yet he is indifferent or condescending toward allies.

  • http://yorkshiretales.com ronniebray

    I find nothing about Obama’s stance vis-à-vis Israel to support a charge that he is an ‘anti-Semite,’ or that he is anti-Israel. I will also robustly defend myself against any such charge.

    We are in danger of giving the high ground on issues such as this to semanticists whose use of familiar words differs significantly from the currency they have in Standard English usage.

    The State of Israel’s right to exist is not any part of this discussion. The State of Israel is a fact, not a possibility. What is at issue is whether a Palestinian State has a right to exist and whether moves by Israel that marginalise Palestinians and provoke nations that support Israel, such as the US, are being anti-Semitic by asking Israel to play by the rules and asking them the right hard questions.

    No sovereign nation can afford the luxury of supporting another country nolens volens regardless of the actions of that nation, and to be seen to be doing so opens the supportive nation to charges that it is actively hostile to nations or groups negatively and with ill-intent.

    The western democracies have by and large uncritically stood up for the State of Israel for more than 60 years. In the interests of humanity, justice, civilisation, morality, and common-sense it is past time that the same powerful nations took the Palestinian cause to its heart as it did the Jewish cause after the depredations visited on Jews by Stalin and Hitler, because the Palestinian Arabs – that are also Semitic peoples – are now in positions similar to those the Jews were in previous centuries.

    J-street [http://www.jstreet.org/about/about-us] is a pro-Israel American movement that is working for a just peace between Israelis and Palestinians. This movement is not anti-Semitic, anti-Jewish, anti-Israeli: they are pro-Peace.

    Israel has had the ear of the West and enormous financial and political support. But the time is come for Israel to face its responsibilities and make peace with those it dispossessed, and show to its supporters that it is worthy of continued support, and that it is a responsible civilised modern state whose commitment to justice and peace is not that of a spoiled child that must have everything it wants but will not consider the well-being of those that remain oppressed and hopeless because of Israel’s divisive and diversionary tantrums.

    No nation can hold its head up as an equal among nations as long as it fosters and promotes policies that cause as much suffering as that experienced by the oppressed Palestinians.

    Just as the Jewish terrorist organisation Mossad was not representative of the rank and file of Jews, it is a signal error to identify rank and file Palestinians with the PLO or Hamas.

    Blessed are the peacemakers that have the gravitas and moral will to see ahead of the ‘road blocks’ barring the way to peace in the middle east, and blessed are they that sue for peace in the spirit of Leviticus 19:18:

    “Thou shalt not avenge
    Or bear any grudge,
    But shalt love thy neighbour
    As thyself.”

    And let us not forget that whilst the ugly and distracting circus of political posturing is parading before us, the suffering goes no, and on, and on … ad nauseum!

    Ronnie

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    MNG~
    I have another response to you on JK’s “Israel First?” thread, if you’re so inclined to take a look.

  • http://yorkshiretales.com ronniebray

    I wonder whether Foxman and Beck are twins?

  • http://yorkshiretales.com ronniebray

    Obama is to blame for events over which he has no control that took place before he was born?

    Mischaracterisation of political and real enemies is not an acceptable substitute for intelligent dialogue.

  • rdw56

    You vastly over-estimate the importance of Washington DC. Obama is Pesident not King. According to Gallup support for Israel is near historic highs. 60% support Israel versus 15% supporting Palestine. With those levels of support Obama canj only bark. He has no bite. Congress will override any effort to cut aid. He can delay some technology transfers but we can at least agree the muslim world is only behind by about 400 years.

    Obama has used up 30% of his Presidency making Netanyahu and Israel more popular. BiBi can simply play rope-a-dope and outlast the President. Israel is at peak strength militarily and economically. The fence keeps them safe. They can wait out Obama.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Ronnie,
    Excellent, excellent, excellent commentary. I would only add that in addition to J-Street PAC, there is the Council for the National Interest that is an admirable alternative to the debilitating AIPAC.
    http://www.cnionline.org

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    @ronniebray: The Israelis have gone far beyond what any rational nation should do to secure peace. However, the Palestinians don’t want peace.
    .
    Remember Albright chasing after Arafat? Israel only wanted to give the Palestinians everything they’d asked for – except for the self-immolation of all Jews. And how did Arafat respond? How did the Palestinians respond after Arafat’s death?

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    > Mischaracterisation of political and real enemies is not an acceptable substitute for intelligent dialogue.
    .
    It seems to work for the Repugs…

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