Still More on Bending the Rules

The Slaughter Solution? Another name might be the Dreier Doctrine.

Don Wolfensberger, director of the Woodrow Wilson Center’s Congress Project (and former staff director of the House Rules Committee), took a look at this whole business of self-executing rules a few years back. He argues that it’s not at all unusual in these partisan times for the House majority to use this convoluted and heavy-handed parliamentary tactic to get a bill through.

But he doesn’t think it’s a good thing:

Self-executing rules began innocently enough in the 1970s as a way of making technical corrections to bills. But, as the House became more partisan in the 1980s, the majority leadership was empowered by its caucus to take all necessary steps to pass the party’s bills. This included a Rules Committee that was used more creatively to devise procedures to all but guarantee policy success. The self-executing rule was one such device to make substantive changes in legislation while ensuring majority passage.

When Republicans were in the minority, they railed against self-executing rules as being anti-deliberative because they undermined and perverted the work of committees and also prevented the House from having a separate debate and vote on the majority’s preferred changes. From the 95th to 98th Congresses (1977-84), there were only eight self-executing rules making up just 1 percent of the 857 total rules granted. However, in Speaker Tip O’Neill’s (D-Mass.) final term in the 99th Congress, there were 20 self-executing rules (12 percent). In Rep. Jim Wright’s (D-Texas) only full term as Speaker, in the 100th Congress, there were 18 self-executing rules (17 percent). They reached a high point of 30 under Speaker Tom Foley (D-Wash.) during the final Democratic Congress, the 103rd, for 22 percent of all rules.

When Republicans took power in 1995, they soon lost their aversion to self-executing rules and proceeded to set new records under Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.). There were 38 and 52 self-executing rules in the 104th and 105th Congresses (1995-1998), making up 25 percent and 35 percent of all rules, respectively. Under Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) there were 40, 42 and 30 self-executing rules in the 106th, 107th and 108th Congresses (22 percent, 37 percent and 22 percent, respectively). Thus far in the 109th Congress, self-executing rules make up about 16 percent of all rules.

On April 26, the Rules Committee served up the mother of all self-executing rules for the lobby/ethics reform bill. The committee hit the trifecta with not one, not two, but three self-executing provisions in the same special rule. The first trigger was a double whammy: “In lieu of the amendments recommended by the Committees on the Judiciary, Rules, and Government Reform now printed in the bill, the amendment in the nature of a substitute consisting of the text of the Rules Committee Print dated April 21, 2006, modified by the amendment printed in part A of the report of the Committee on Rules accompanying this resolution, shall be considered as adopted in the House and the Committee of the Whole.”

That last one was so extreme that it nearly blew up the bill, which gets back to Wolfensberger’s point about why this is not a great way to do business:

The special rule had other problems since it allowed only nine amendments to be offered out of 74 submitted. Moreover, appropriators were unhappy with the earmark provisions included in the bill. This forced Rules Chairman David Dreier (R-Calif.) to pull the rule after 20 minutes of debate, followed by a five-hour recess and Republican Conference meeting before the House reconvened and the rule again was called up and narrowly adopted, 216-207.

The perils of forsaking bipartisanship and deliberation on such an important institutional issue forced the majority leadership to resort to procedural politics in hyper-drive. Even then their souped-up procedural machine nearly blew its engine. It may be time to reinvent the Model T, with the “T” standing for the tried and true “tradition” of deliberative lawmaking.

Related Topics: david dreier, don wolfensberger, hypocrisy, louise slaughter, self-executing rule, slaughter solution, Congress, Health Care
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  • ricardo4max

    Not unusual but illegal and unethical! Americans are sick of this runaway administration and out of control Congress. Impeach them all.

  • trifecta55

    The obstructionism of the GOP this time around is the different factor. They are the most obstructionist minority party in history. Nobody disputes that. They block votes for months on nominees who aren’t even controversial. Some woman blocked for ages ended up being confirmed 98-0

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    This is the House, though, where the minority party has no leverage to be obstructionist. I’ve always thought that members of the House minority are the most frustrated people in Washington. They always promise to change things if they ever get back in the majority, and then they never do.

  • trifecta55

    true. But again, think back to the way the GOP treated the dems. They would shut off microphones, refuse them access to hearing rooms. How about Delay and his cronies handing out checks on the house floor, extending debates past their legal time. Bribing members on the floor.
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    If you have proof that the democrats have acted just as bad as the Delay house did, I would love to hear it. I am not excusing their bad behavior and trampling of minority rights, but perspective is needed.

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    I think all of those are other issues; i’m just trying to stay focused on this parliamentary question, as it is the one that is going to be talked about in the next week. neither side has clean hands here.
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    on the other questions you raised, it’s also worth noting that kind of behavior helped cost the republicans their control of the house. here is the cover story that i wrote at the time:
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    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1543943,00.html
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    that lede is still my favorite one of any that i have ever written.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Still More on Bending the Rules”

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    Rather, on the one hand our liberal / progressive friends in the House and Senate shout out, “We want a simple majority vote!!”. You see it right here in swampland.
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    Then in the 2nd breath they say “change the rules!!!” when it is obvious or there is a possibility their bill will not pass.
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    Which way is it?
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    The real question should be how does this all affect our constitution? Doesn’t the constitution contain all of the “rules” which should govern how bills are enacted into law? It is obvious now how our elected officials have changed the constitution over time. No wonder there is so much chaos in Washington and nothing can get done. The “rules” must be stopped.
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    It is quite obvious that those who hold power at this time have an agenda to pass healthcare reform, by hook or by crook. They will use whatever means at their disposal to do this, despite the massive pressure from the voters who are against this specific bill.
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    Obama was correct on one thing. There will be a vote, a vote in November. I expect the vote will be to oust the corrupt and conniving elected Representatives in Washington. We the People will be heard. We the People WILL vote you out of office.

  • gysgt213

    KT- Maybe the problem is not really the rules. Maybe its the idea that by simply changing the majority party to an R or D will produce different results. When the situation we find ourselves in is way more complicated than that. Which majority party will be the first to give up its total leverage. Which one will be the first to turn their backs on their corporate sponsors.

  • trifecta55

    Who is we cochise? I mean Rusty. Getting rid of corruption by electing Republicans is sort of like cleaning up the Vatican by appointing Mark Foley as the boy’s choir chaperone.

  • gysgt213

    “I expect the vote will be to oust the corrupt and conniving elected Representatives in Washington.”
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    And I expect you only mean the democrats who are obiviously the only corrupt and conniving elected Representatives in Washington. If only we can have a bunch of birthers, truthers, gun fanatics and reglious zealots running the congress. That will surely make things much better.

  • ricardo4max

    “We is” the hard working (if Obama hasn’t already destroyed our job or given it to a govt worker in a union), American people that believe in our Constitution and the capitalist economy that made us the greatest country in the world.
    Mark Foley is a choir boy compared to Bwarney Fwank, Gerry Studds, Eric Massa, Jim Neal, etc…
    This coup has gone on long enough.We will be getting our govt back. Statism, Socialism, Marxism, Fascism, Progressive (ism), etc… are not the principles upon which this nation was founded., If you want that kind of govt. go find it elsewhere.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Someone’s oblivious to the fact that the rules changes themselves require an up or down vote.

  • newfreedomblog

    “And I expect you only mean the democrats who are obiviously the only corrupt and conniving elected Representatives in Washington.”

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    At the moment, yes.
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    That was easy, next?

  • ricardo4max

    Unconstitutional or illegal changes require nothing. They are destined to fail upon appeal in a free society.

  • grape_crush

    Thank you, Karen, for responding to our comments.
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    (I’ll fill in for Stewart since he’s not in yet.)

  • allthingsinaname

    The Pols make the rules. They do so, so they do not have to make those controversial votes, or vote for and against the bills at almost the same time. In other words they are designed to manipulate the public.
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    In some ways I suppose that it might be good that our Pols do not willy nilly travel with the wind.

  • stuartzechman

    grape_crush:
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    I’ll fill in for Stewart since he’s not in yet.
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    Thank you, but I think that everybody should be thanking the pro posters for engaging in commentary –every time.
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    I shouldn’t be the only one encouraging therm, IMO.
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    I just do it because it seems like the right thing to do.

  • stuartzechman

    Statism, Socialism, Marxism, Fascism, Progressive (ism), etc… are not the principles upon which this nation was founded.
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    Neither were we founded upon willful stupidity.

  • Ivy_B

    Self-executing rules began innocently enough in the 1970s as a way of making technical corrections to bills. But, as the House became more partisan in the 1980s, the majority leadership was empowered by its caucus to take all necessary steps to pass the party’s bills. This included a Rules Committee that was used more creatively to devise procedures to all but guarantee policy success. The self-executing rule was one such device to make substantive changes in legislation while ensuring majority passage.

    I think this is the root of this problem and so many others. It makes sense to have a mechanism to make technical corrections to bills. As someone who has participated in more parliamentary discussions than most, there are lots of misplaced words or changes that need to be made as a result of other actions that do not change the substance of the original.

    However, now we have the idea that one party must block the other at all costs. If there is one thing in the bill even if it will be removed later, but can be used to pillory an opponent – true or not – in a campaign ad, it will be used. I can sympathize in this case with the example of the “cornhusker clause” above. That is going to be corrected, but first the House must pass the Senate bill as it is.

    I thank Newt Gingrich for helping to make out political discourse as poisonous as it is. And the next award goes to the huge industry of campaign consultants, all working to make their ads nastier than the last round.

  • pafro

    I bet if you asked average Americans when the last self executing rule was used around 0% would get it right. If you asked them what legislation was passed using one, I bet it would be 0%. If you asked the Congress you might get to 10%.
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    People don’t care about the minutiae of lawmaking, they care about the laws. and like you said, everyone in the minority complains about what the majority is doing, so it is best to ignore that because they will when the worm is turned.
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    I am confident enough in the sorts of things we should change via lawmaking (e.g. healthcare, taxes on the rich, cap and trade, labor reform) to believe they will be fairly popular after they are enacted. Therefore we should pull every trick in the book to do so. No apologies ‘cuz if there is one thing Americans don’t like in the politicians is apologizing and grovelling.

  • http://drewpugsley.wordpress.com drewpugsley

    Look the media and technology have made the process in politics and government MUCH more relevant and, to a great extent they deserve a lot of credit for that.

    There will be an adjustment period while policy-makers figure out what actions will be tolerated. It’s gotten to the point, however, where Congress has become about re-election and not making policy. Republicans will use self-executing rules once they’re back in the majority and will use reconciliation in the Senate. It’s intensely partisan and the last few cycles have shown that it’s the minority party’s ability to drive home with voters the majority’s abuse of rules and process that determines electoral prospects. Let’s hope this will clean up the process a little bit in the long-run.

  • diecash1

    Rather than continue to rant, why don’t you point out what rules you feel are unconstitutional and provide the basis for that opinion? Without that, your posts are just so much white noise.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    What a great idea. Lets check the Constitution.

    [Section 5.] Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute
    a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such
    Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.

    Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.

    Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy; and the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal.

    Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.

  • shepherdwong

    Exactly. It’s hard to understand how anyone could type these two sentences next to each other without some sort of cognitive whiplash:

    The perils of forsaking bipartisanship and deliberation on such an important institutional issue forced the majority leadership to resort to procedural politics in hyper-drive. Even then their souped-up procedural machine nearly blew its engine. It may be time to reinvent the Model T, with the “T” standing for the tried and true “tradition” of deliberative lawmaking.”

    Obviously, if Democrats could govern using “tried and true “tradition” of deliberative lawmaking,” they would. Republicans “forsaking bipartisanship and deliberation on such an important institutional issue forced the majority leadership to resort to procedural politics”.

  • sacredh

    Do unto others before the November elections because they will as sure as hell do it to you if they get a majority.

  • sacredh

    Amen and more coffee please.

  • lcky9

    Here’s the thing.. I WAS a loyal Democrat, for 30 years up till 2006.. I wrote letters complaining about the things that were going on.. the sneaky underhanded dishonest and arrogant tactics of Republicans when they did it..Now that the DEMOCRATS are doing it I find I have to write the SAME letters, make the SAME phone calls and faxes.. Tell me how is this CHANGE?? this is ARROGANCE..the fact that a majority of the populace is saying NO to this bill is in fact a replay of what the DEMOCRATS did by ignoring the people when Bush was in office on AMNESTY.. and they (both sides) were trying to shove that down our throats..I already know I will be voting for every REPUBLICAN on the ticket in November.. just to break up this GOOD OLD BOYS CLUB on the DEMOCRATIC side.. It is time for the people to speak up and put a STOP to all this BS.. It’s not what the populace wants they want CLEAN politics.. what ever happened to values and morals of the DEMOCRATS when the REPUBLICANS were in charge? Biden prayed to God the Democrats wouldn’t act like the Republicans did and what do we have? Policies being driven by EGO’S rather than honesty and common sense coupled with the will of those that employ them the populace..

  • newfreedomblog

    And then there is this…
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    “House Procedure
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    In the House, a bill approved by a committee is referred to the whole House. Most are then referred to the so-called Committee of the Whole, which consists of all members of the House, but with a much lower quorum requirement. Once in the Committee of the Whole, it is read and debated upon. During this general debate, time is allotted for debate, with equal amounts of that time given to the two main parties in the House. When the time for debate is up, a second reading is done. After the second reading, amendments to the bill may be offered, debated upon, and voted upon. Once the Committee of the Whole is done with the bill, it is referred back to the full House. Note that a bill cannot be killed in the Committee of the Whole, although amendments may be placed on the bill that make it undesirable. This is often known as a “poison pill.”.
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    Once in the hands of the full House, the amendments placed on the bill by the Committee of the Whole are voted upon – they can be voted upon en masse or one at a time. After that, one of two votes can happen – either a vote to recommit (which can send the bill back to committee if approved), or a vote on the bill, as amended. If a recommit vote fails, a full vote is taken.
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    If a bill passes, it is organized and published. The House uses blue paper for approved bills.

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    http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_law.html
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    “Rules” for conduct, behavior and process in committee do not circumvent the intention of how a bill is passed into law as per the constitution. But, this is a good test. A test to see for the American people themselves as to how coniving and corrupt our Government has become. How “rules” are made-up in order to pass legislation which circumvents our constitution. I am sure before this is all said and done, Democrats will regret their actions. That, and hopefully they will be among those on the unemployment lines.

  • adrick71

    “After that, one of two votes can happen – either a vote to recommit (which can send the bill back to committee if approved), or a vote on the bill, as amended. If a recommit vote fails, a full vote is taken.”newfreedomblog

    Come on, you can’t possibly be serious. You complain about rules changing the Constitution. Then when someone provides a Constitutional basis for their argument, you quote someones interpretation of the basics of how the house Rules often work as though it was a quote from the Constitution?

    The very page you link to says:

    “This page is a concise overview of the entire process and though it does go into some detail, there are many it leaves out”

    “the Constitution leaves most of the details to the people of the day”

    “there is a lot more to law making than these steps spelled out in a clause of the Constitution.”

    And then it goes on to describe a bit of that “lot more to law making” including the quote you provided.

    Sorry, but Dirks has it right. The Constitution doesn’t even state that a majority (or super majority, or any other criteria) is necessary to pass a bill. It leaves it entirely up to the “rules” created by the legislative bodies themselves.

    Of course, it is assumed based on the other written ideas of the Founding Fathers that passing a bill should require a majority vote, but that is what is happening in the case being discussed here.

  • http://factyouall.wordpress.com FactYouAll

    adrick71-

    I believe you are correct that the Constitution doesn’t discuss requirements for passage of a bill. As surprising as this was to learn, I decided to look into it some.

    The basic principles are that Congress is a parliamentary body, and that as such it will generally use majority rule, unless exceptions are noted. That sounds all well and good, but didn’t seem to be solid enough (as an assumption) to base our government on.

    Fortunately, SCOTUS has ruled as to these requirements, concluding that it requires majority vote.

  • adrick71

    FactYouAll,

    Correct, so while the it is possible that the current obsessive Republican use of a 60 vote “supermajority” required for cloture in the Senate may be a perversion of rules that runs counter to our Constitution by preventing majority votes on Senate bills, the self-executing rule (which requires a majority vote to pass) being considered in the House to simultaneously pass both the Senate health care reform bill to send to the President to sign, and the new reconciliation bill to send to the Senate for a majority vote seems to fall entirely within the framework created by our Constitution.

    Complaints about the Constitutionality of the self-executing rule just don’t hold up under scrutiny.

  • betterfearthanlove

    So much BS, this option was used 6 times by both parties equally on non issues, such as smoking on planes or id-ing employees… go to congressional website and educate yourself before covering the messiah with fig leaf.

    http://goo.gl/I3pC

  • adrick71

    betterfearthan…,
    You’ve got to be kidding, right? Do you even bother to read the article you are commenting on? You claim that “this option was used 6 times by both parties equally”, and yet the very article you are commenting on points out that “There were 38 and 52 self-executing rules in the 104th and 105th Congresses”, and “there were 40, 42 and 30 self-executing rules in the 106th, 107th and 108th Congresses”.

  • jbaustian

    My question is, when the Republicans were in the majority, did they use this rule on anything really important? On anything like creating a new entitlement that will cost hundreds of billions of dollars annually?

    The number of times it has been used is not as important, IMO, as the significance of the legislation which was passed using it.

  • http://factyouall.wordpress.com FactYouAll

    Either something is legal and proper, or it is not. Leaving it up to situational parameters creates a constant back and forth on a question.

    What is unimportant to someone may be very important to another someone; you can never predict in advance.

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