Re: Re: Health Care: Beyond Prisoner’s Dilemma

Okay, Adam, now we’ve got a genuine academic working on this with us.

Over at his blog Cheap Talk, Sandeep Baliga–who teaches mangerial economics at Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management and specializes in game theory–takes a look at our ongoing effort to frame the decisionmaking involved in the House health care vote. He thinks this is actually a game of “Chicken”:

Tumulty suggests the underlying game is the Prisoner’s Dilemma. Some of her commenters suggest the game is similar to the free-rider problem is provision of pubic goods. The free-rider problem is very similar to a Prisoner’s Dilemma so really the commenters are echoing her interpretation though they may not realize it.

I claim the interesting version of the game for Democratic Representatives in conservative districts is Chicken. Two cars race towards each other on a road. Each driver can swerve out of the way or drive straight. If one swerves while the other does not, the former loses and the latter wins. If neither swerves, there is a terrible crash. If both swerve, both lose. A variant on this game is immortalized in the James Dean movie “Rebel without a Cause”.

And he adds:

Chicken has asymmetric equilibria where one player always swerves and the other drives straight. This corresponds to the case where the conservative Democrats know which of them will fall on their swords and vote for the bill and the rest of them can then vote against it. This is the best equilibrium for Obama as the Senate Bill definitely passes the House. But there is a symmetric equilibrium where each conservative Rep’s strategy is uncertain. They might vote for it, they might not. There is no implicit or explicit coördination among the voters in this equilibrium. This equilibrium is bad for Obama. Sometimes lots of people vote for the bill and it passes with excess votes. But sometimes it fails.

There is lots of strategy involved in trying to influence which equilibrium is played. And there’s lots of strategy among the Reps themselves to generate coordination. If you can commit not to vote for the bill, Obama and Pelosi are not going to twist your arm and they’ll focus on the lower-hanging fruit. Commitment is hard. You can make speeches in your district saying you’ll never vote for the bill. Margie M-M did this but a call from the President persuaded her to flip anyway. Republicans are going to emphasize the size of the independent vote to convince the undecideds that they have a dominant strategy to vote against the bill. And the President is going to hint he’s not going to help you in your re-election campaign if you vote against the bill. Etc., etc.

So, if the Senate bill is finally voted on, as we creep up to 200 votes or so, we’ll see Chicken played in the House. We’ll see who lays an egg.

Related Topics: game theory, Health Care, sandeep baliga, Barack Obama, Congress, Democratic Party, Nancy Pelosi
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  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    The future of health care is dependent on a battle between competing metaphors.

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    That’s a nice re-election campaign you got there. Sure would be a shame if something were to happen to it…..

  • square1

    Remind me not to go get my graduate degree in economics from Northwestern. Prof. Baliga’s analysis is rather lacking.

    I could waste a bunch of time explaining why the model doesn’t fit. But, in short, Blue Dogs don’t see the failure to pass HCR as equivalent to crashing. Nor is it self-evident that donors and voters are “cheering” for it to fail.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Perhaps. But it does help to recast the roles of the Blue Dogs. Instead of depicting them as rationally self-interested but amoral as in the Prisoner’s Dilemma it reminds us that they are in fact irrational, irresponsible and destructive as in Chicken.

    It may not be a tightly fitting analysis but it is an approriate metaphor.

  • square1

    The game of chicken was also immortalized in the Kevin Bacon movie Footloose.

    It is interesting to note that game theorists assume that a driver can swerve to avoid a crash whenever she wants to. But Hollywood movies are 2 for 2 in chicken scenes involving mechanical failures that prevent a driver from bailing out.

  • lcky9

    i understand what this person was trying to do with their analogy.. however it doesn’t work in this case.. it is not the two parties who are trying the focus but the people.. a MAJORITY of the people..I and everyone understands the need of those who have lost their jobs thus their health care and have no problem wanting to TEMPORARILY help them out until this administration realizes that lack of private industry JOBS are the real reason so many are without healthcare. Yes there should be some regulation of the Insurance companies, however those should be lead by regulations to HOSPITALS and DRUG COMPANIES.. Keeping those prices down would go a long way to keeping or demanding Insurance prices go down or stay stable.. than making sure all Insurance Companies accept a certain number of those with pre-existing conditions as well as Insurance companies not being able to drop someone who becomes ill.. They could also make sure that people who have had insurance for years and NOT used it would be required to make sure that these people get extra when and if they actually need to use their insurance.. However people who are able to read and comprehend can see this bill is NOT about health at all but about power.. As someone who was a Democrat for 30 years (up till 2006) I am so very disappointed in the party I was always taught was for the working people only to find out they are for taking away from the working people and expanding government while IGNORING the working class..

  • sechandler912

    The dialogue above reminds me of everything I don’t like about men (I do like men by the way). Using their intellect for gamesmenship, rather than as standard bearers for the truth. My husband told me once “men will push you about as far as you let them.” I thought at the time, “how ugly, how base. They should do the RIGHT thing, not see how far they can push.” I realize now that this is the nature of testosterone in a physical body… Gentlemen, I call you to be more like men of character, and nobility of purpose. Be like the men that are raised by fathers with character. Borrow from good stories where men did that if you didn’t have it. And then call your Congress people and ask them to do the same.

  • square1

    If a game of chicken was being played during HCR, I would argue that it was being played by the WH against liberals.

    The WH started out with a popular President and massive public support for HCR. So, the WH had two choices. First, it could put forward a really popular bill and put the GOP in a tough spot by opposing it. But what is the point of that? The caucus had 60 votes, so it didn’t need GOP votes to pass the bill.

    So, the WH decided to play a game of chicken. They said, “if we water down the bill with handouts to industry, we will get more campaign donations.” The question has always been “How much can we water the bill down before the liberals finally desert?” The answer appeared to be “Something just a whiff better than the Senate Bill.”

    So it looked like Obama won the game. He was about to get the bill that he wanted a compromise based on the Senate Bill. But just when Obama was reaching for the door handle to bail out, he realized that his jacket (or sweater?) was caught on something. What’s this? OMG! It is Scott Brown beating Coakley! There aren’t 60 votes after all!

  • grape_crush

    The problem is that the StuPak, Blue Dogs, and other recalcitrant Dems are treating this as a zero-sum game (where they personally will win or lose) when it’s a non-zero-sum game (where, even if an individual does not gain everything they could, they – and everyone else – end up winning when they cooperate to achieve the maximum benefit for the group).

    It’s a lesson that Republicans know well; take the short-term individual hit for the longer-term overall gain.

  • diecash1

    “that lack of private industry JOBS are the real reason so many are without healthcare. “
    ..
    Really? This is your analysis? So when unemployment was down below 6% there weren’t millions of Americans without health insurance? This is utter fantasy at best.
    ..
    “As someone who was a Democrat for 30 years (up till 2006) “
    ..
    This is a much more telling statement. So after watching the administrations of Reagan, HW Bush and W, with the help of a Republican Congress, piss on the middle class and drive us into wars, trillions in debt and nearly a financial collapse, you decide that you can’t support the Democrats? What exactly were you watching? Sounds like you have a serious case of cognitive dissonance.

  • kbanginmotown

    I fail to see how driving a car at 20mph on the shoulder of the road with your 4-ways flashing is like “Chicken”.
    .
    Oh, wait, that’s Harry Reid over in the Senate…

  • newfreedomblog

    While Ms Tumulty and others at TIME.com play games, such as Prisoner’s Dilemma, the real game of chicken is being played out in the economic destruction of our great nation.
    .
    This from the Washington Post, which is concentrating on the economic pressures of health care reform. With the concentration over the past year and 3 months by the Obama Administration on health care reform, we have seen massive JOB LOSSES coupled with a failing economy. What does the Obama Administration do? They keep pounding away at healthcare reform, neglecting jobs and the poor economy. Why is that?
    .

    “President Obama’s proposed budget would add more than $9.7 trillion to the national debt over the next decade, congressional budget analysts said Friday. Proposed tax cuts for the middle class account for nearly a third of that shortfall.
    .
    The 10-year outlook released by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office is somewhat gloomier than White House projections, which found that Obama’s budget request would produce deficits that would add about $8.5 trillion to the national debt by 2020.”

    .
    Yes Ladies and Gentlemen, ADD 9.7 Trillion dollars to the already unheard of 12.5 Trillion dollars we are currently in debt.
    .
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/05/AR2010030502974.html

  • kbanginmotown

    Insightful.

  • grape_crush

    There were never really 60 votes, were there? There were 60 votes in the caucus, but we couldn’t expect Lieberman to support a moderate Democratic agenda now, could we?…and, depending on the issue, other Dems would decline to support the majority.

  • kbanginmotown

    grape: I agree wholeheartedly and would emphasize that the “maximum benefit for the group” is majority status in the House, which brings with it chairmanships, etc.
    .
    While Karen’s story the other day of the loss of Marjorie Margolies’ House seat due to a vote she cast in favor of the 1993 HCR Bill illustrates the dangers of making a politically risky vote, the greater lesson that the Demos are overlooking, IMHO, is that the failure of the bill meant the loss of the House majority.
    .
    And let’s not forget that we can’t perform a double-blind election: there’s not guarantee that a Dem in a conservative district will maintain a seat if they vote “no” and HCR fails.
    .

  • diecash1

    You’re just determined not to get anything right aren’t you RustyBlogWhore?
    ..
    “the real game of chicken is being played out in the economic destruction of our great nation.”
    ..
    Wrong. It was played out under W and we crashed in October, 2008.
    ..
    As for jobs, W’s record on job creation was the worst of any administration since the Great Depression.
    ..
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/tab/article/
    ..
    You can scream and stamp your feet about projections of increasing debt but they are just that — projections. The same kinds of projections were made under Clinton and we know how those turned out.
    ..
    RustyBlogWhore, have you ever wondered where the vast majority of the National debt occurred? I’ll give you a hint: Look at what Reagan, HW Bush and W did to it. They account for the majority of it by far.

  • destor23

    All these brains in the discussion — professors, well-practiced journalists, literate and educated commentators and we’re still using the palatable term “strategy” to describe dishonesty.

  • pafro

    I imagine you sitting around in 2006 and saying to yourself:

    “you know, that massive debt, systemic corruption, and those 2 wars that Republicans stabbed America in the face with was pretty awesome…I think I’ll become a Republican. They deserve it. Besides, I’d really like to get to know that Mark Foley fellow, since I turn 16 next week and am looking for an adult to share masturbation tips with me.”

  • grape_crush

    …the greater lesson that the Demos are overlooking, IMHO, is that the failure of the bill meant the loss of the House majority.
    .
    Not to mention the millions who will be able to go see a doctor, not get dumped for preexisting conditions, etc. Or meaningful financial reform. Or putting an emphasis on green technology. Or dealing with climate change. Or any number of things that supercede Bart Stupak’s bid for re-election.

  • newfreedomblog

    Sorry diecash, I refuse to repond to partisan hacks as well as liars. Have a nice day.

  • diecash1

    No worries RustyBlogWhore. You lack of a cogent reply belies the weakness of your position.
    ..
    BTW, do you fail to note the irony of YOU calling anyone a partisan hack and a liar? I don’t imagine anyone else missed that.

  • grape_crush

    I don’t imagine anyone else missed that.
    .
    Apparently there are no mirrors in freedumblog’s glass house.

  • 70northsullivan

    The article specifically states that HCR will not significantly affect the deficit, as it is payed for in the bill. In fact, it is Obama’s proposed tax cuts (the favored Republican policy for all situations) and adjustment to the AMT that the article flagged as creating deficit problems long-term. But aren’t tax cuts supposed to be always good? Or not if they are targeted at the middle class?

  • afguy

    I grit my teeth any time I see a Republican or Dem “strategist” on the TV.
    .
    strategist = spin doctor.

  • FlownOver

    The relevant James Dean reference would be his iconic line: “You’re tearing me apart!”

  • theotherjimmyolson

    Right off the bat! A winner IMO Derek.

  • Ike Jakson

    You Libs just don’t get it. Read:

    http://nolanimrod.com/2010/03/06/please-get-barack-some-valium/

    Read the comments too.

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