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Harlem Politics…Golden? No.

As an old New York political reporter, I have to dispute Karen’s “golden era” reference to the Harlem political machine below. These were, for the most part, dreadful people–who offered the residents of Harlem all the worst aspects of machine rule, with few of the advantages. Basil Paterson, David’s father, was probably the best, but the least well-known of the bunch. Charlie Rangel–he of the multiple rent-controlled apartments and Caribbean hideaway–is a charming guy, a Korean war hero…and a worthwhile successor to Adam Clayton Powell, another rogue who took care of himself and not his constituents. Percy Sutton was a businessman more than a politician.

David Dinkins is in a category all his own–the worst mayor of New York since the Tweed era, a total reactionary who ran the city for the benefit of its employees rather than its citizens. He hired Robert Little, Malcolm X’s brother, to be his Human Resources administrator. At a moment when children were dropping like flies in foster care–dozens were dying–Little said oversight of the program was “racist.”

And that was the cynical heart of the enterprise: accusations of racism were always on the low boil, ready to be doused with gasoline whenever the incompetence and corruption of the Harlem gang was exposed. Even though I disagreed with the more radical Brooklyn African-American leadership, I certainly respected their integrity…and I was even more impressed by Queens leaders like Floyd Flake, who were the predecessors of the Obama, Artur Davis and Corey Booker generation.

So there’s no nostalgia here for me. Just relief that the old-fashioned, plantation style politics of the Harlem gang is slipping into the past…and the African-American residents of that neighborhood, and of New York State, may finally get the representation they deserve.

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  • Paul-no not that one

    “These were, for the most part, dreadful people”
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    Knowing who admire I’m not exactly moved by your characterization.

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    “Joe Lieberman is, without question, one of the finest men I’ve known in public life. I could never imagine myself voting against him. ”

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/columnist/klein/article/0,9565,1218015,00.html#ixzz0hJUWCO1C

  • freeinpa

    Who would expect truth & reason from JK?

  • Friar Tuck

    Yet again, I have deleted a comment in midstream after realizing that Joe’s post is not worth the effort.

  • newfreedomblog

    Finally, honesty and truth from the media.
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    The truth shall set you free, Mr Klein.

  • sjberke

    Never had much liking for Dinkins (though especially in terms of encouraging diversity and good interethnic relations, his successor was not much of an improvement to say the least), but…’the worst mayor since the Tweed era’ (the 1860s, for those not up on the details)? Worse than…Jimmy Walker, the playboy front for corruption in the 1920s?…Vincent Impelliteri, the do-nothing accidental mayor of the early 50s?…John Lindsay?…Abe Beame?…

  • stuartzechman

    Joe Klein:
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    I agree with most, if not all of what you’ve said, believe it or not.
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    The ridiculous thing is that Tumulty can’t really engage you on the same terms, since your editors’ absurd conventions categorize her as a “reporter,” while you are a “columnist.”

  • stuartzechman

    Doesn’t it concern you as a rightist when you sound like you’re pronouncing straight out of an Orwell story, Rustyblog?

  • pafro

    You could write the same article transferring in some redneck names and transferring the whole thing to a small district in Alabama.
    Our politics suck nationwide and there is always someone getting away with something.
    I personally don’t think the answer is necessarily more finance laws but more laws on disclosure.

  • lupercal5

    you would make for a fantabular research specialist :) im thoroughly impressed

  • lupercal5

    i don’t know about those conventions being absurd. i would never find it edifying to have KT engage JK on JK’s terms. whenever i have to read JK, i need depressants. and that’s regardless of whether i agree with him or not. dude’s a bit too flamboyant and aggressive in his ‘factually-flexible’ opinions.

  • newfreedomblog

    Mr Zilchman, since you want to digress to using other names, Orwellian statements about “big brother”, the controlling Government, are more a “rightist”, conservative, libertarian in theory than you give him credit.
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    You believe that somehow Orwell was a “Progressive” like yourself? Or, is it more a matter that he spent most of his life confused, like you, a socialist?
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    Despite Orwell’s confusion on most everything else, at least he got this part right. The part that no matter what party or political persuasion is in control, totalitarianism by any entity in total control are at the far left of the scale versus anarchism on the far right of the scale. That is why pure Democracy does not work as the founding fathers saw quickly, and moved the gauge more to the center-right, and created a “Republic”.
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    That’s why too much Government power and control is the threat to individual freedom and liberty. Also, the farther right or left you move, the less freedom and liberty the individual enjoys. That is why you find most people, especially in this country are more center/right. It is a good fit for our form of Government. It keeps the masses from revolting and killing those in power.

  • stuartzechman

    Since you’ve addressed me, Rustyblog, I’ll try to correct some of your misunderstandings about politics, even though you’re expressing them somewhat incoherently.

    You believe that somehow Orwell was a “Progressive” like yourself?

    I don’t use the word “Progressive” to describe my politics, as you well know. I think that word is confusing, and has been misappropriated to mean things it does not, despite compelling arguments to the contrary from people like David Sirota.
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    I will say that Orwell’s politics were similar enough to mine for him to do this:

    Orwell set out for Spain on about 23 December [1936], dining with Henry Miller in Paris on the way. A few days later at Barcelona, he met John McNair of the ILP Office who quoted him: “I’ve come to fight against Fascism“.

    I can’t quite make out what you mean by:

    Or, is it more a matter that he spent most of his life confused, like you, a socialist?

    , but I’m not a socialist. I’m a liberal. I think socialism is a bad, bad system, even if it’s a better alternative than either fascism or Bolshevism (or Maoism).
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    Orwell saw enough of the problems of conservative capitalism to become a socialist like Upton Sinclair, so I don’t blame him necessarily, but I disagree with him that capitalism is so fundamentally flawed. It isn’t, and its benefits are enormous.

    no matter what party or political persuasion is in control, totalitarianism by any entity in total control are at the far left of the scale versus anarchism on the far right of the scale.

    No, you’re wrong.
    .
    Fascism is on the far right of the scale, not anarchism.

    pure Democracy does not work as the founding fathers saw quickly, and moved the gauge more to the center-right, and created a “Republic”.

    Pure democracy may or may not work, I think the proper critical question to ask is whether or not pure democracy scales well enough to work. The Founders didn’t intend for the country to be “center-right,” because rightism at the time was monarchism. They just wanted government to work, and to preserve individual liberty by however means –which is center-left, anyway, not rightist. The Founders didn’t confuse corporations and amassed capital with individuals, either. They weren’t so excited about political parties –another form of “faction”– as well.

    That’s why too much Government power and control is the threat to individual freedom and liberty.

    Yes. So is extra-government organizational power, such as that wielded by organized finance and industry. The key phrase is “too much.” The liberty of organized industry and finance to exert power isn’t identical to “individual freedom” in the slightest. Liberals know this.

    the farther right or left you move, the less freedom and liberty the individual enjoys.

    Yes. That’s why I’m not a market fundamentalist or a democratic socialist, I’m a liberal. We’re for the Bill of Rights. We love individual freedom.
    <blockquoteThat is why you find most people, especially in this country are more center/right.
    No, you don’t. You find most people extremely confused about what is right and what is left in this country. Half of us don’t even vote. Also, it’s difficult to measure properly. Most people where I live, in the most populated part of this country, are not center-right, but we’re more heterogeneous in many ways. The people in the least populated parts of the country are more overwhelmingly rightists, not even center-right, really, and that can tip the scales in terms of polling measurement.

    It is a good fit for our form of Government. It keeps the masses from revolting and killing those in power.

    What kept things together when the sh*t hit the fan in the ’30s was liberalism, FDR-style. People aren’t demanding to have mine owners force their children to work 16 hour days in the coal shafts, Rustyblog.
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    Liberalism is what keeps this country together.

  • newfreedomblog

    “What kept things together when the sh*t hit the fan in the ’30s was liberalism, FDR-style.
    .
    Liberalism is what keeps this country together.”

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    No what kept it together was massive spending, and World War II is what kept this country from going bankrupt.
    .
    Throw out your progressive history books, Mr Zechman. Your liberal professors lied to you!

  • iggydwonderllama

    What I would like to know is why scoundrels came to dominate Harlem political power. Or why this particular Harlem club represented black leadership nationally. There were upstanding black people capable of leadership, I’m sure. Is it a matter of meanness being valuable when creating something in uncharted territory? A quirk of chance? Is there anything contributing to their replacement beyond the individual scoundrels’ crimes being revealed? It seems like there could be valuable sociological lessons here.

  • richinnj

    Lieberman fooled a lot of people. That hardly negates Joe Klein’s other comments.

  • cleanupnynow

    It was a known fact that the hard partying David Paterson was a mess in his private life – engaging in extramarital dalliances, past drug use and a penchant for late-night clubbing. Unfortunately, this behavior did not end when David Paterson entered the office.
    “The Democratic Conference: Organizational and Operational Structure Report” is an eyewitness account of Paterson’s dysfunctional nature while at work. This report, put forth by Paterson’s own Democratic Party, heavily criticized Paterson’s leadership as Senate minority leader.

    http://www.politico.com/static/PPM110_demreportfinal.html

    This report indicates that Paterson’s Senate Minority office, headed by former Paterson chief of staff and childhood friend Michael Jones-Bey, was criticized for patronage, lack of leadership, indecisiveness and infighting, set against a backdrop of general chaos – in other words the office was a zoo. Now doesn’t this chaos sound like his current dysfunctional administration?

    Not surprisingly, for running such a dysfunctional chaotic office, Mr. Jones-Bey was hand picked by David Paterson to head the Division of Minority & Women Owned Business Development (DMWBD) at New York State’s Empire State Development Corporation. Now that’s the Patterson way – being rewarded for your incompetence.

  • cleanupnynow

    At this point in time David Paterson has dug himself in too deeply in a ditch with no way out. Everyone from advocacy/good government groups – National Organization of Woman, Common Cause; to distinguished newspapers – New York Daily News, New York Post; to politicians of all strips – Nita Lowey, his own appointed senator Kristen Gillibrand, Bill Perkins; and most importantly the general public – the latest Quinnipiac Poll indicates a plurality of the electorate want David Paterson to RESIGN NOW.

    On top of this, David Paterson is at risk of CRIMINAL CHARGES in at least three – yes three, not one, not two, but three separate investigations. These investigations involve whether David Paterson has committed OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, WITNESS TAMPERING, LYING UNDER OATH/PERJURY or PUBLIC OFFICERS LAW VIOLATIONS.

    At this point in time, David Paterson should worry more about SERVING TIME in prison, not serving out the remaining months of his un-elected term.

    New Yorkers do not deserve to punished any further by David Paterson’s presence any longer

    David Paterson needs to RESIGN NOW.

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