Steele Looks to Scare Some Donors, Actually He Already Does

The only thing GOP donors have to fear is Steele himself.
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Nice FDR reference there. Well done.

Blackwell would have been way better.

That crazy muppet on the drums would have been way better.

What is about the GOP and the be afraid be very afraid meme? Today’s GOP = we haven’t a clue how to solve problems beyond tax cuts and you must always be afraid of -

1) Brown people

2) Democrats

3) Obama

4) All of the above

Animal – love him!!!

Using that logic we should be afraid of Steele too!

They really do not have much respect for the intelligence of the people that elect them.

Check out this Greenwald takedown of another recent fear-fest:
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(T)he group run by Liz Cheney and Bill Kristol released what is certainly one of the more repugnant political ads of the last decade, if not the most repugnant. It’s the type of McCarthyite act which would, if we had any minimal standards in our political culture, result in the shunning of Cheney and Kristol by all decent people (instead, it will likely land the Vice President’s daughter on multiple Sunday talk shows where she can pose as an expert on national security).
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He later concludes in the Update:
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As always, those who most flamboyantly and shrilly anoint themselves Arbiters of American Patriotism wage the most vicious wars on its core principles.
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Link– the ad can be seen via this link.

“What is about the GOP and the be afraid be very afraid meme?”
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Um, they know their base?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater#Atwater_on_the_Southern_Strategy
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http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

Jay this is off topic but do you plan to post on the proud Senators that voted down an amendment to give Seniors a $250 emergency benefit? Have they emailed you and told you how they will proudly go home and tell Seniors they will balance the budget and save their children future?

“It seems chairman Michael Steele is going to try and scare donors into giving him cash by fear-mongering about the “socialist” government President Obama will usher in without their help to oppose him”
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Sometimes the truth is scary!

I have arthritis in my spine.
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I can’t make the “contortions” that they need to do to appear to have a logical position.

I’m afraid that ship sailed a long time ago. The trouble is, they appear to have been right.

And what of it?.
What will the Dems do? Share their fundraising..
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Sorry, the more I watch the less enthusiatic I get about the whole process.
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There is something wrong in America and I think it is the public.

freeinpa,
You betja

Michael Steele’s just saying what every other Republican is saying–OBAMA SOSHULIST. He just had the self-awareness to call this an appeal to fear.
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Steele isn’t any more or less a moron than every other dessicated GOP gringo, so why is he the only figure singled out as inept?

I hadn’t heard about that, but I’ll look into it.
JNS

Not afraid of brown people. We love them.
Actually we love people of all colors. Racism today is more a part of the liberal agenda than the conservative agenda.

No the public is just fine.
It’s the radical liberal progressives that are the problem. You don’t understand the American public and want to drag our country in a direction the public doesn’t want to go. You’re the problem not the public.

Obama does want to move the country towards becoming a European Socialist type country.
He is by this definition a Socialist. In the mind of most Americans Progressives = Socialist.
You have a right to disagree but you do not have a right to demonize those citizens who happen to have different beliefs then you do.
You would accomplish a good deal more if you promoted your views in a positive view

See what I ean?

Oh, I’ve known about that one for a while…
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He’s “special”…

You really can’t have a serious discussion with someone from the planet “Clueless”…

Tell it to Michael Steele:
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/67009-steele-white-republicans-are-scared-of-me

And a “soshulist” is defined as….?

Why don’t you outline the policies that Obama has advanced that are supposedly “socialist”?
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Can you cite a reference, other than the right wing, for this:
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“In the mind of most Americans Progressives = Socialist.”
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“You have a right to disagree but you do not have a right to demonize those citizens who happen to have different beliefs then you do”
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What exactly is it that you’re doing here, if not that?
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“It’s the radical liberal progressives that are the problem. You don’t understand the American public and want to drag our country in a direction the public doesn’t want to go. You’re the problem not the public.”
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You’re entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts……….

The only ones that are clueless are all of you liberals who think you have all the answers. Your answers are rejected by most Americans. You are a bunch of no nothing elitist that represent a small part of our country. If your minds were ever open enough to actually listen to what the public is saying, you might actually have some impact on society. Your inability to listen to the ideas of others and not just your peers is your worst enemy.

Um, OK 3xfire3, here is my positive view: if you agree with Michael Steele, then go give him some money.

afguy:

Shower time your stench is setting off your own BS detector again.
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Just write one post a day. I have no respect for anyone who doesn’t share my opinions.. Relieve us the tedium of the rest.

Actually we love people of all colors.
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Because they do a great job with the lawn, right?
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More seriously…if that’s true, then why does the GOP have such low minority voter turnout?

great talking points!

from a left wing nut job website:

Republicans around here keep saying Obama’s policies are socialist but they can’t seem to name one.

So name one of Obama’s policies that are socialist, just one.

Before you do that make sure:
1. You know what Obama’s policies are. You can find them on his website.
2. You understand what socialism is.
Reply With Quote

3 recent major election and many, many surveys are facts. You would have to be blind not to know these facts.
Stating I disagree with you is not demonizing. Demonizing is when you start name calling and denigrating those that disagree with you. To disagree with the views of others is not in its self demonizing. It possible to say you disagree with the position of another person without calling them names.
I don’t consider it hateful when I disagree with the policies of President Obama or say that I believe he is a socialist. Hateful is when you use personal attacks against a person and their families. Calling a person a socialist is no worse then calling someone a capitalist. There just descriptions of their political philosophies.

First, you indicated exactly zero policies that Obama is advancing that are “socialist.”
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Second, you equate “progressive” with “socialist” which has a basis only in your small, closed mind. I have heard a great many on the right cry and whine when they are equated with being “fascist”. How is this any different?
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Third, what exactly were those elections a referendum on? You are merely attaching your preferred meaning to them. I notice you (and every other right winger) don’t mention the NY-23 election where it went Democratic for the first time in about 100 years.
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Lastly, your disagreements are based upon opinion, not fact as you like to claim.

Socialist Definition:

Most socialists share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximise their potential,[6] and does not utilise technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public.[7]

Many socialists, from Henri de Saint-Simon, one of the founders of early socialism (Utopian Socialism), to Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx, advocated for the creation of a society that allows for the widespread application of modern technology to rationalise economic activity by eliminating the anarchy of capitalist production.[8][9] They reasoned that this would allow for wealth and power to be distributed based on the amount of work expended in production, although there is disagreement among socialists over how and to what extent this can be achieved.

Socialism is not a concrete philosophy of fixed doctrine and programme; its branches advocate a degree of social interventionism and economic rationalisation (usually in the form of economic planning), but sometimes oppose each other. A dividing feature of the socialist movement is the split between reformists and revolutionaries on how a socialist economy should be established. Some socialists advocate complete nationalisation of the means of production, distribution, and exchange; others advocate state control of capital within the framework of a market economy.

Better question: Tell us which Obama policies ARE NOT socialism.

3xfire3– I think people here react to you strongly for these types of comments
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(Liberal progressives) don’t understand the American public and want to drag our country in a direction the public doesn’t want to go
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because it’s more conjecture than reality. Take, for instance, healthcare. Early in the year we saw (linked here often) three polls that all showed roughly 75% of the public want a public option (including one that was co-produced by the conservative WSJ). We also had a poll from the New England Journal of Medicine that showed similar results among doctors (link). Perhaps the numbers have lowered slightly after a media blitz by the insurance industry; probably due to misleading claims rather than a convincing argument.
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Now, the current bill has no public option and can hardly be considered progressive; it is very similar to a Republican bill from ’93 (link). If anything, an insurance mandate is more a conservative idea than a progressive one. That’s what we get with centrist Dems running the show…
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But when you say
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Your answers are rejected by most Americans.
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actual progressives get offended because we haven’t seen those answers tried for 30 years. Some react with personal attacks and venom– not the best way to go.
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And, when you say
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If your minds were ever open enough to actually listen to what the public is saying, you might actually have some impact on society.
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again it is offensive because the public is saying that they want to move to the left– we voted to move in that direction– but our government has done a poor job listening to us. They tend to listen to the conservative media themes and become reactionary (scared, timid) and certainly concerned with the next election. Also, many of us feel that you are closed-minded when you say
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Americans Progressives = Socialist.
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as it doesn’t help the discussion of real problems; it builds walls.

Well freeper, as per usual, you miss the mark. You left this off of your Wiki copy:
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“Socialism refers to the various theories of economic organization advocating either public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources.[1][2][3] A more comprehensive definition of socialism is an economic system that has transcended commodity production and wage labor, where economic activity is carried out to maximize use-value as opposed to exchange-value and thus a corresponding change in social and economic relations, including the organization of economic institutions and resource allocation;[4] often implying advocacy for a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.[5]“
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Where exactly has Obama or anyone here advocated this?
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I know, I know….anyone that isn’t all for unregulated, “every man for himself” capitalism is a Socialist to you. Same song, different day.

3X — Explain how this isn’t some hateful rant:
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“The only ones that are clueless are all of you liberals who think you have all the answers. Your answers are rejected by most Americans. You are a bunch of no nothing elitist that represent a small part of our country. If your minds were ever open enough to actually listen to what the public is saying, you might actually have some impact on society. Your inability to listen to the ideas of others and not just your peers is your worst enemy.”
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Reasonable and fact-based as usual………

Thank you Jay, I would appreciate it.

Freeinpa, the other day you were hailing Bush’s TARP as having saved the economy. Is that not socialism?

pintortwo

I don’t always agree with 3xfire3 or how he makes his point. What really fries my nads is the continuous piety here by folks on the left. Almost unanimously any conservative comment, idea or thought is immediately ridiculed, venom flows and conservative folks degraded. Rarely from fact but just because it is contrary to the lefts thought. Then we get posts like yours above who then tries to convince us that conservative statements are way out of line, not helpful, don’t further the conversation etc. An overwhelming of the posts from the left fall into that category and yet they continue with impunity.

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Just as you accuse 3xfire3 of being offensive with his statement because you believe it is based on conjecture and not reality you provide this
“again it is offensive because the public is saying that they want to move to the left– we voted to move in that direction”
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That is at at least conjecture but more to reality it is wishful thinking. The vote was in large part about a war. The left had been screaming for 8 years (all the while supporting the troops of course) and the people now several years away from 9/11 said enough. Your poll findings of the public option is interesting but as the proposed policies mostly spending by Obama came to light those same voters are quickly reversing course. I have no doubt you will defend that by saying FOX, Palin (pick your favorite evil conservative) lied about everything. That is a convenient load of crap. Obama has lied and is still lying about HC , among other things. His agenda and staff tend toward socialism. The defense from the left is equally nonsensical: define, name the policies etc. Not truly denying it but more of “hey look at that guy behind the curtain” kind of thing. Or better like the one you used “well the Repubs did this too”.
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When you fill the bulk of your staff with admitted Communists and Socialists and those who espouse socialist policies it is idiotic to try and say Obama does not have leanings and an agenda to match his advisers. Otherwise they are not truly advisers are they?

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So maybe the next time instead of telling a conservative the folly our ways maybe point out the same to your kindred spirits here. That would be most useful.

Does the name General Motors ring a bell?

ROTFLMAO.. People on the right and on the left are smarter than to allow EITHER the RNC or the DNC to scare them.. Believe me I was on the left for 30 years I have seen WORSE things come through the mail from the DNC through the years on how the sky is falling, the right wants to stop your social programs etc.. I use to listen to AIR AMERICA and they did the same thing.. Now as and Independent I signed up for ALL parties (and yes I spend a lot of time reading emails as well as snail mail). .the ones I get from the DNC are trying to scare people even more.. the one I like best from BOTH sides it the abortion one.. it is funny cause NEITHER can do anything about it without a 2/3 majority since that what it takes to over rule the Supreme court ruling. So if your going report on lies about someone scaring anyone please be honest enough to make sure you include BOTH parties in that.. BTW.. I have been to a few Republican fund raisers locally and they are doing fine.. they have a new thing where you get in free and you pay for beverages and food so if you are out of work you can still see and hear the candidates without spending $1500 a plate for tasteless food like at the Democrats fundraisers.. BTW.. MORE people attend the Republican ones

Yes, General Motors. I’m sure you would have preferred that they go bankrupt along with Chrysler and the resulting economic collapse that would likely have followed. Do you really think this is a permanent condition? They will be sold back to the market when they have sufficiently recovered. That doesn’t happen under Socialism.

“it is funny cause NEITHER can do anything about it without a 2/3 majority since that what it takes to over rule the Supreme court ruling.”
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How exactly does Congress need a 2/3 majority to pass new legislation regulating abortion?
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How exactly would Congress overrule the Supreme Court?
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Maybe you’re not aware of it but Congress and the Supreme Court belong to separate branches of government. The Supreme Court conducts the highest level of judicial review, they do not make the laws. Congress can change said law whenever they see fit.

I don’t understand why the labeling of “Visceral Giving” isn’t getting more attention. Doesn’t the base understand “Visceral”?

In my opinion, you could hardly be more insulting than that.

Deep thought: this debate about “is Obama a socialist” is really a proxy debate about “are conservatives stupid enough to believe Michael Steele.”
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Obviously the answer is yes.

Why is this news? This the way Republicans have run campaigns for decades. Scare tactics.

The Committee, for the win.

free
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Almost unanimously any conservative comment, idea or thought is immediately ridiculed, venom flows and conservative folks degraded.
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Agreed.
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That is at at least conjecture but more to reality it is wishful thinking. The vote was in large part about a war.
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Sure. But healthcare was very significant too. I think in both cases, Obama has not moved “to the left” to the degree that most of his supporters wanted.
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Your poll findings of the public option is interesting but as the proposed policies mostly spending by Obama came to light those same voters are quickly reversing course.
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Perhaps. I’m arguing that what Obama and the Congressional Dems produced is not what the American people wanted, certainly not progressives want. Also, IMO, the media has allowed misleading statements to effect public opinion. Take “death panels” and the Lutz memo, for instance. And some was the dems/Obama’s doing too: sweatheart deals, etc.
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His agenda and staff tend toward socialism.
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I don’t know. What he’s produced (42% tax-cut stimulus, Afghanistan surge, not-so-transparent, 6% annual increase in military budget, insurance mandate, still-open Gitmo, no investigation of past war-crimes…) hardly seems radical leftward movement. More like a slight leveling off from our right-bound trajectory.
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So maybe the next time instead of telling a conservative the folly our ways maybe point out the same to your kindred spirits here. That would be most useful.
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You and me both…

pintortwo

“Dems produced is not what the American people wanted, certainly not progressives want. Also, IMO, the media has allowed misleading statements to effect public opinion.”

Dems didn’t deliver what the American people thoguht they were getting. The misleading statements were on both sides although you and always here it was from the right. Obama castigated McCain about taxing HC plans and guess what we have? Or you can keep you plan and doctor. The fine print if your company doesn’t end it or if your doctor participates in the plan you move because of the tax subsidized cost. And death panells? The left continues to have anuerysms over it but yet in the new Oba,a budget there is something like $20 million for a HC advisory Board that will dictate whether you get the $10,000 green pill (cures) or $5.00 blue pill (to make you numb). No one with a rational mind can say with a straight face that this will not determine who will get treatment to live or die peacefully is anything but a death panel. And it will be government controlled.

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About policies of war and tax cuts et al. I attribute that more to political survival. Without doing some of those he would have definitely been a one term president– he still might. I would attribute it to well electing a community organizer to president. As CO you rabble rouse – you never fix. Harder to walk away as President

What about Ward Connerly or Armstrong Williams? Any other Republican black males? Hard to find those guys.

diecash1:

“Yes, General Motors. I’m sure you would have preferred that they go bankrupt along with Chrysler and the resulting economic collapse that would likely have followed”

It is quite convenient to change the terms of a definition when you get called on it, isn’t it? And just so you know (facts remember) GM and Chrsyler did go through bankruptcy filings. Obama destroyed decades of bankruptcy law and corporate bond holders got screwed (there’s socialism) and handed equity ownership to the unions (workers of the world unite).
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Don’t you find it the least bit curious that of the Big 3, the one in the best shape now and doing well is Ford who coincidentally didn’t take bail out funds. And despite the help of the best and brightest GM & Chrysler still struggle, yet liberals insist markets don’t work and government knows best. That “truism” apparently didn’t impress the auto industry.

Free!! Nice to see you too.
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How are the wife and kids?

Remember, guys… it’s Thursday.

pintortwo

“Freeinpa, the other day you were hailing Bush’s TARP as having saved the economy. Is that not socialism?”

Well let’s put it in the whole context of what I said. I could just call you a liar but that’s not totally fair.

First, I wasn’t hailing Bush for doing it. I think TARP was and is a bad idea. What I did say was that Obama and the folks on the left harangue Bush about the deficit form TARP but want to take credit for saving the financial system by its use. It is just another example of the pathetic length s the left go to to show anything positive thta has been done besides spending more money.

Yes, I think it leads to socialistic solutions that were unwarranted.

JC Watts, Justice Thomas, Larry Elder, Prof Sowell, Walter Williams, LLoyd Marcus, Ken Gladney (Remember him? The one unions thugs beat up at a towne hall mtg)

“Hard to find those guys”

Not as hard to find as real liberal men

“Deep thought: this debate about “is Obama a socialist” is really a proxy debate about “are conservatives stupid enough to believe Michael Steele.”

“The Committee, for the win.”

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This is one of those things that will now be called KEVIN-FACTS– You offer no evidence, ridicule the opposition and then keep repeating your inane opinion

Kevin-facts A way of liberal life

Free —
Since you broke out your big, bad definition of Socialism, maybe it’s time to re-evaluate what actually transpired with the domestic automakers.
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First, GM, Chrysler and Ford went to Congress to ask for money. Last I checked, no black helicopters landed in SE Michigan and the armed forces did not storm the corporate HQ and factories to “nationalize” the automakers. They asked for help and they accepted the terms attached to it.
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Second, Ford asked for a line of credit and was granted it. Ford was doing significantly better than both GM and Chrysler for the previous 10-15 years and had the foresight to mortgage everything to get needed liquidity well before the financial crisis and subsequent credit crunch.
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Ford is doing better now, as it had before, than GM and Chrysler due to better vision, products and quality. That was true long before the government provided aid to GM and Chrysler. Last I checked, GM was making tremendous progress and was much closer to exiting bankruptcy sooner than the experts predicted. All that government aid must not be so bad after all.
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BTW, Obama did not toss aside bankruptcy law no matter how much you want to blame him. He is not a judge and he did not preside over the proceedings.
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http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1969659,00.html
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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0217876820100302?type=marketsNews

diecash1

First sweetheart it was not MY definition. Second whether there were black helicopters involved is irrelevant.

Ford did ask for a LOC but it was inn case GM & Chrysler went under since it would drastically affect their suppliers. Never enacted. So irrelevant as well. They also were not doing much better. They did have the foresight to get PRIVATE capital which has saved them and has propelled much higher. The reason sales have increased? Many folks are buying Fords for the simple reason they did not take government money!

I just know I’m going to regret this but here goes…
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Free,
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I don’t know of ANYONE who goes car-shopping whose main question is: “Did this company take goverrnment money”?
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Questions usually are: what does it cost? Gas mileage? Warranties/reliability? Finance interest rates?

Free and safe (for now)

“I just know I’m going to regret this but here goes…”

You were right. You need to get out more, read something beside left wing crap (actually even some left wing crap) or get better friends.

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/brandnewday/archives/2009/05/ford_image_goes.html

This is one of many articles that confirm it does matter. But thanks for playing.

Read it, free.
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What it said was about 33% were more willing to CONSIDER buying a Ford because of that, NOT that they actually bought it for that reason. And not even that they bought a Ford.
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If you’re going to distort the information you use, at least don’t distort what’s in the link you’re using to prove your point.
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You’re making it too easy… jeez, Free!

freeinpa, specifically the only thought towards alternate drive systems was considered was the EV1, but the brain trust at GM picked up all the leased EVs and closed the door.
Dodge Ram still sells a two story truck…$bound to go anywhere. Like the station attendant told the SUV driver as he was trying to fill the gas, “Mister, could you turn off your engine? You’re gaining on me,”
Ford, on the other hand, was already testing out the Escape, a hybrid.
Thinking maybe gas milage might mean something in the future…
(APTERA-300MPG,$20-40K…dang, I WANT one! But they only sell them in Texas and California)

So, get with the future, survive.
Build houses on wheels and call them transportation? Bye-bye.

so, that’s your “big word” then, freeinpa. Socialist?
And you have your “word” tucked close to you and will run with it even if you’re wrong?
Now…is that all Democrats? Or just a few of them? Or is it all Democracy? Is that what “burns your nads”, “gets your feathers up” or “nukes your buns”?
But, if you believe that even with evidence to the contrary, then you are being narrow minded at best.
Stubborn. Obstinate. Whatever you want to call it.
It’s true. You can always tell the man who reads one paper.

For the free chow

socialism, socialism.
The sky is falling the sky is falling.

Free is that special breed of conservative (not ALL of them are, by any means) that believes that the truth is a PRECIOUS item… to be protected and, in doing so, used as sparingly as possible.
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The ones that “protected” the truth to get us into Iraq are similarly vigilant.
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We should salute them for their care.

Freeper: From your lips to God’s ear. Please, let Justice Thomas resign to become head of RNC.
Sorry but JC Watts is busy doing infomercials and has become a scamming lobbyist.
http://www.theonlinepoop.com/2009/04/jc-wattsfiscal-conservative-part-ii.html
Larry Elder, often failed radio host, pro abortion, pro drug legalization. He will be embraced by the purists?
Gladney, a different perspective
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×6260889
Lloyd Marcus, song singer. What a stretch
Walter Williams, ok. Don’t agree with him on much but
sorry, he is an intellectual.
Sowell, another intellectual. Not quaified.
Ken Blackwell: Conflict of interest 2004 election as Ohio Chief Election. Used Diebolt voting machines knowing it they were easily manipulated and error prone. Refused to cooperate in investigation. Owned stock in Diebolt. 2x dept. publicly disclose soc. sec. numbers. Amendment to ban same sex marriage so broad opposed by DeWine, Voinivich and Taft.
How about some elected national congress person or Senator. Oops, sorry there are none.

I am scared of Obama not personally just his agenda and that is on his black and white side both

What part of BROKE do you not understand? Granted some seniors would need extra money, heck anyone can use extra money.. however.. if it comes to having their medicare cut and a $250 check they would rather have their medicare.. I finally got through to my mother that NOTHING is FREE.. somewhere someone is paying for it regardless if they can afford it or not.. and the gravy train has ended for taxing the rich.. now it moves down to the lower middle class and middle class.. how about a report on that? Show how much taxes are going up in the VERY near future, as well as inflation.. My Ma at 78 REMEMBERS well the last depression.. and even she sees it coming..

I have to say this simply for those 18-30 year old kids who live with mom and dad.. There is NO more MONEY.. THE CHARGE card is maxed out.. and the chosen one has created NO real jobs with the last stimulus and has STASHED 3/4 of it for buying votes in the fall (which won’t work by the way). but has passed ANOTHER jobs bill for how many billions? all the above money is BORROWED and now you will get to have your taxes raised to 50% to cover it.. and those are just the federal taxes.. another 15% for local taxes.. tell me how will you be living? as good as the Politicians who keeps spending your future earnings?

Aw iy seems I hit a new with the cave dwelling liberals. You are at home throwing out labels, whether true or not, but call your plans what they are– whoaa. Not fair.

Just remember you can make fun of, denigrate and deny but it doesn’t change it. You saying it over and over makes it a Kevin-Fact but not real.

Steele is the figurehead chairman of the GOP. He may be the only person that doesn’t know it.

Michael Steele and his posse are a little easier to understand when you find out who’s coaching them:

Coaching Steele

(satire)

Then that begs a very important question – just who the heck IS in charge over there?

I think that’s a good question. Steele can make the headlines but I don’t think he’s running the show at all. It seems to me that they don’t want to sack him and he’s not inclined to resign to “spend more time with his family”.

Somehow, “legend in his own mind” seems so appropriate for a description.
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I think I’ve known a few like him – in ‘way over their head (and clueless to boot).
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Hello, Peter Principle…

How about the manager in “Dilbert”? Sound about right?

pintortwo,
Answer to your post 7.9
Thank you for your rational and thoughtful comments. Most liberals on this site only know how to make personal attacks and demonize conservatives and independents that post here. Sorry to take so long to answer you but I’ve had company all day.
“3xfire3– I think people here react to you strongly for these types of comments”.
The people on the left on this site almost always react strongly to comments made by Conservatives and Independents.
“Like Beauty, Truth is in the eyes of the Beholder”. What one person sincerely believes to be truth another person may see as totally untrue.
Truth is based on one’s Perceptions. Perceptions are based on one’s education and personal experiences. So in short “Perceptions are not reality but are an individuals sincere belief of what is reality”.
I believe that all of your comments about my points being conjectures are inaccurate. Based on my perceptions I believe my points are true. I believe the points you are trying to make are actually only your conjectures and opinions.
Therefore your perspective of the truth. That does not make your points reality only your perception of reality of which I totally disagree.

“Actual progressives get offended because we haven’t seen those answers tried for 30 years. Some react with personal attacks and venom– not the best way to go”.

Again it is offensive because the public is saying that they want to move to the left– we voted to move in that direction– but our government has done a poor job listening to us”.

This is not true. The public does not want to move to the left.
Conservatives and Independent’s perception is that President Obama ran a dishonest campaign.
He projected himself as a moderate and once elected, his true self surfaced and he is governing from the left. Maybe not as extreme left as you would like but from the left.
That’s not what Americans voted for and that’s why his approval rating is so low.

From my perspective, I see no real difference between a Progressive and a Socialist. They both want big government to run everything.

Socialist is perhaps too kind of a description for this dictator wanna be. Marxist, fascist, communist, statist, Alinsky-ite, whatever term you care to use, Obama is all of that more. One of the worst, most dangerous to America Presidents we have ever had.
So Steel is correct in that statement.
However, funds are bypassing the GOP”S RNC because there are still too many RINO’s in place there. Just look at McCain and company. When true conservatives regain control of the Republican party, then they may receive some financial support.
Meanwhile, as far as liberals / progressives / Neo Commies. Obamabots / Democrats are concerned, it’s kick ‘em while they’re up, kick ‘em while they’re down. Kick ‘em out of office and out of America now. Our Constitution is not what they believe in.

Icky don’t forget the 30 to 60 year old “kids” that never grew up! Our universities and our government are full of them right now.

Hurray for the Senators that voted down the ridiculous $250 bribe that the left wing thought would appease some not too bright old folks (in their opinion). How arrogant and condescending of the left wing Democrats to think that they can buy a Senior’s vote for $250.00. Shame on you Democrats!!

lcky9,
Good Post.
It nice to here from someone who has experience with both sides of the political system.
In reality there are two sides to every story and truth is usually some where in between.
I have said this obvious truth many times before on this site and there are liberals that post that it’s not true. This only shows how blind they are.
Neither side has all the answers but I find conservatives more open to at least listen to the ideas of others.
Most liberals tend to only accept their own views as truth and use name calling and demonize those with different views then them.
That is especially true on this site as you have already found out.
Keep on posting. You are making an excellent contribution to this site.

ricardo,
As one coservative to another some of your comments are a little over the top. This doesn’t help promote the conservative cause.
I personally know it is frustrating to read all the over the top comments made by liberals on this site but stooping to their levels is not the answer.
You make many good valid points. Consentrate on them and less over the top and you will help our cause and add good value to these discussions.
Keep posting.

Well, let’s see.
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I said: “you were hailing Bush’s TARP as having saved the economy.”
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You said: “The one problem with Obama taking credit for saving the economy. It was saved by TARP”
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Seems pretty accurate to me.
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http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/02/17/obama-pre-releases-2012-campaign-graphic/#comments#ixzz0hJJPm8u0
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You went on to say that Obama wants it both ways, to take credit and cast blame, but that’s not what I asked you about.
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And per socialism, there was no mention of that nor that it was a bad idea.
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If Obama initiated the TARP program, certainly, you would not give him credit for saving the economy– rather, you would wail that it is not saved (only a crazy lib/dem would claim that), and that this program is pure evil socialist lunacy– a brazen, elitist act of corporate servitude undermining the Republic, capitalism and the good people of this country (or some equally charming quip– you’d be mostly right too, except about the dem and socialist stuff).
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It is just another example of the pathetic length you would go to defend your tribe.

3xfire3,
Over the top? Since when is the truth over the top?
You would rather play paddycake while the left wing destroys our country? Yes destroys. That is and always has been their goal. Do you really expect to convert any of these America hating leftists?
Conservatism doesn’t need to be promoted, it needs to be practiced. It is common sense, logic, and reason.
I fail to see how I have ever “stooped to their level”. I have posted many many links and facts about the current President and what Dems have done and are doing to this country and why. Need I repeat it all daily for your benefit?
A true conservative and patriot wouldn’t be posting such negative things.
Steele is not a true conservative. Fact.
Conservative will beneift more from regaining the Republican party and tossing out the RINO’s. Fact.
Farmongering is the specialty of the left. Fact.
Obama was raised in a communist Marxist friendly environment and has looked up to, followed and befriended these types of people throughout his life.Fact.
Until we have absolutely and utterly defeated these lefties, they will fester and spread in America like a bad disease. Fact.
Please do not help them if you ARE truly a conservative.

Sorry for the typos. Need to go back to work.
Many mouths of left wing leeches to feed with my tax dollars.

“You would rather play paddycake while the left wing destroys our country? Yes destroys. That is and always has been their goal.”
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Given your ranting and overt hyperbole, it’s difficult to take you seriously unless I consider you seriously deranged. Might you have some credible links demonstrating how it is the goal of the left to “destroys (sic) our country”?
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“Farmongering is the specialty of the left. “
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You mean like what W and Cheney spent the better part of 8 years doing?
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“Until we have absolutely and utterly defeated these lefties, they will fester and spread in America like a bad disease. Fact.”
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You are seriously deranged. You should seek help and have your meds adjusted.

Thanks for your response, 3x.
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Disagreements in political blogs are good. Even the petty, nasty stuff can be fun.
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Two points:
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(Obama) projected himself as a moderate and once elected, his true self surfaced and he is governing from the left.
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I don’t agree. I think the perception of Candidate Obama is far more liberal than what President Obama has actually been.
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Again, -42% tax-cut stimulus, pretty New Way Dem centrist, certainly not liberal.
- Afghanistan surge.
- Insurance mandate.
- 6% annual increase to the mil budget.
- Indefinite detention, Patriot Act, black sites, Israeli diplomacy, non-pursuit of past war crimes… all not liberal.
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There are liberal elements to this administration, but I think, in the most significant areas, the administration has been center to right throughout this first year. Just less-right than his predecessor (sometimes) and less right than you’d prefer. I certainly don’t see it as a “failure of liberalism”. Our perceptions differ.
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Second:
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I see no real difference between a Progressive and a Socialist.
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Frankly, I think that’s on you.

6. allthingsinana…

“There is something wrong in America and I think it is the public”.

6.1 3xfire3

“No the public is just fine.
It’s the radical liberal progressives that are the problem. You don’t understand the American public and want to drag our country in a direction the public doesn’t want to go. You’re the problem not the public.”

6.2 allthingsinana…

See what I mean?

6.3 afguy

Oh, I’ve known about that one for a while…
.He’s “special”…

6.4 afguy

You really can’t have a serious discussion with someone from the planet “Clueless”…

6.5 3xfire3

The only ones that are clueless are all of you liberals who think you have all the answers. Your answers are rejected by most Americans. You are a bunch of no nothing elitist that represent a small part of our country. If your minds were ever open enough to actually listen to what the public is saying, you might actually have some impact on society. Your inability to listen to the ideas of others and not just your peers is your worst enemy.

7.11 diecash1

3X — Explain how this isn’t some hateful rant:
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“The only ones that are clueless are all of you liberals who think you have all the answers. Your answers are rejected by most Americans. You are a bunch of no nothing elitist that represent a small part of our country. If your minds were ever open enough to actually listen to what the public is saying, you might actually have some impact on society. Your inability to listen to the ideas of others and not just your peers is your worst enemy.”
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“Reasonable and fact-based as usual”………

Diecash1
Read the above posts that led up to my comments. Considering the comments by liberals above and the abuse you throw at Conservatives and Independents on a daily basis, I think my comments a actually pretty mild.
Actually in rereading the above comment, I don’t see it as hateful in any way. There is a difference between being hateful and mean spirited and simply stating my views related to the posts by a number of liberals on this site.
You and others liberals use personal attacks and name calling on a regular basis and then call others hateful who simple respond to your posts.
I find hatefulness on this site is about 90% by Liberals and about 10% by Conservatives and independents.

Isn’t this exactly what you decry liberals for; pointing at someone else and saying “He did it too!” instead of owning up to your poor behavior. The fact that you can’t see your nasty tone and insults, both veiled and blatant, says much about you. You insult posters on here frequently and often deride liberals with your dismissive and condescending comments. This is what makes you a hypocrite not deserving of respect. You give none and as such, you will receive none.

Again you state your perception of reality from your liberal perspective.
I disagree with you and stand by my comments to you.
You are the one who uses personal attacks on a regular basis.

to overturn a ruling from the Supreme court you NEED a 2/3 majority.. they may ALTER a ruling however, that would again find it’s way to the Supreme court and be voted down most likely.. the senate (who is the one who is suppose to make laws not pertaining to money) and the congress can not just say the Supreme court ruling isn’t to their liking and toss it out.. come on I am sure you took a Constitutional test in school..Why do you think we have a Supreme Court?

You must have hit your head. Please point to the law that states a vote of 2/3′s of the Senate is required to overturn a Supreme Court decision. That type of majority is needed to amend the Constitution, not to overturn a Supreme Court decision.
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No legislative body can overturn a decision of the court. They may pass new law which renders moot the decision and a 2/3′s majority is not needed. Only another Supreme Court ruling could overturn a previous precedent set down by the Supreme Court.
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The courts exist to conduct judicial review of the law.
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Perhaps you should take another crack at a civics class.