Health Care: Can Nancy Pelosi Get It Done?

Pelosi has done a poor job of handling the various special interests within the House so far, so why should this bill be any different?

http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog

I disagree. That’s why I posted the link to the profile that I did of her in our Person of the Year package. The cadillac tax was the big stumbling block for her, and I think the White House has now given her something she can sell to her caucus.

I hope and pray for the sake of America and our children and grandchildren that Pelosi, Reid, Obama et al fail in their attempts to destroy America and destroy capitalism.

will someone please explain to me whats so horrible and evil about this bill? why would the democrats want it passed if its gonna bring in Armageddon?

But Wall Street donated big bucks to Obama to create a Marxist paradise. That is what they expected, and he needs to deliver. The *Goldman Sachs* May day parade this year will be fabulous btw. I heard there will be tanks and missiles going down Pennsylvania Avenue after VP Biden does the daily reading from Das Kapital. Evan Bayh is leading a workshop on Trotsky open to the public at his Senate office. I heard that Rahm Emmanuel is going back to his old digs in the house to sing a rousing version of the Solidarity song. It will be a thing of glory.
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Or you could be a fracking lunatic. One of the two.

Passing it means they may lose the support of the lunatic, hysterical, tea party vote and the tea party would lose one of the central planks of their fantasy world, the one where Obama plays the role of chief Marxist conspirator.
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Obviously, the cost of providing health care to the poor is just too great.

The thing that fascinates me at the moment is if people like Eric Cantor genuinely believe that nobody is harmed by the current system or they are lying and know it but don’t care. Not sure which is worse to be honest.

How precisely are the Democrats attempting “to destroy America”? How about providing some facts instead of this blatant hyperbole?

trifecta: how are you doing following your own recent encounter with the health care system? are you up and about yet?

LOL!

I can’t improve on that, tri, so, I will just praise it.

^^^^^This was meant for ricardo4max at 2.2…………….^^^^^

If Obama and company are trying to “destroy capitalism,” they’re certainly doing a crappy job of it.
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Staffing the Treasury Department with Wall Street hands, rescuing the major banks, putting in place the stimulus package that has gotten good grades from economists across the political spectrum (even the conservative American Enterprise Institute), and reversing the nose dive in job losses under Bush to a trickle under Obama would all be really odd moves if that was their intent.
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And I’m not sure how they mean to “destroy capitalism” when their policies spurred a one-year growth in the Dow Jones average from 6600 when they took office to 10,325 a year later — an increase of 63% — and when their policies change GDP growth from the lows it reached under Bush (negative 5.8% in fourth quarter 2008) to new highs (positive 5.9% in fourth quarter 2009), giving us the best quarter of economic growth in six full years.
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So, yeah, I’m not so sure this whole “destroying capitalism” thing is going to work. Either they’re doing a horrible job in their conspiracy to destroy capitalism, or else you’re a nutcase.

“But until a vote has been scheduled, and we are within 48 hours of seeing it happen, take anything you hear from anyone on Capitol Hill with a full box of salt.”
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I’ll believe in the vote only after it has occurred. JK’s thread from the other day on the summit needs to be sown with salt and having warning signs posted around it. That was ugly.

It took a while, but I finally figured what is wrong with the tea party. They’re smoking it instead of dumping it in the bay. They just had a completely stoned convention, but they are afraid that if health care passes they might have to quit.

They smoked it, bathed in it, washed their clothes in it, made brownies with it and boiled it down and shot it up.

It really is amazing. The American people don’t want this, and yet Pelosi & Co. want to ram it down our throats.

I have 2 more days with crutches, then a few weeks, months, or maybe a lifetime with a cane depending on if my ankle ever properly stabilizes.
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I owe $3,000 on a $9,000 plus surgery bill. My company pays close to $10,000 a year for me for this glorious insurance. Wellpath (thanks Evan Bayh) still have not paid their portion of the bill 2 months later. I have heard that insurers tend to do this in the off hope that we will pay the entire bill so our credit rating doesn’t get ruined.
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Wellpath wanted to raise our rates 37% this year. In exchange for them not doing that, we made “concessions” such as our co-pay for an ER visit going from $150 to $1,000. Thankfully that took effect February 1st, 2 weeks after my accident. So things are swimming.
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I have come to realize in this debate the Republicans are not the problem. They are either philosophically predisposed to not care about people like me, or they are paid handsomely to think otherwise. Democrats who are blocking things are strictly on the dole for the most part. Oh, did I thank Evan Bayh and his wife yet. I hope my contributions to redecorating her office are appreciated.
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Me bitter? No.

What is it with wingnuts and “ram it down our throats”? I am diagnosing (with an assist from video Dr. Frist) latent homosexual urges. The ram it down our throats, take it up the butt brigade is so cute, especially when they tap their toes. Just saying.

I’ve never thought that “ram it down our throats” had a sexual connotation, but hey, learn something new every day.
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Sounds to me like someone’s got his own issues . . . . did you have a jailhouse romance?

You can insist they don’t all you want, but the American people want health care reform. In vague polls about “Obama’s plan,” they’re split down the middle — 43-43 in the latest polls. But if you spell out the specific details of what’s actually in the plan, they like it. A lot.
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http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/posr022310nr.cfm
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And “ram it down our throats”? The Senate passed its bill by a wide 60-39 majority, and the House passed its bill by 220-215. It’s called democracy.

Please point to where Cantor said that.

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“I’ll believe in the vote only after it has occurred. JK’s thread from the other day on the summit needs to be sown with salt and having warning signs posted around it. That was ugly”
Only from a Liberal’s point of view. These people were expressing what a majority of Americans think about the democrat’s version of HCR. They don’t want it. They want HCR that is more rational and doesn’t bankrupt the country.

Well, kevin, if this thing were so popular, then why is it dragging out so long? You guys have the votes . . . .
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And are the details contained in Kate Pickert’s BS posting a few weeks back? (I notice how she absolutely cannot defend it.) Ya know, where she said that the American people’s view that Obamacare is a budget buster “isn’t true”, according to the CBO. By the way, she ought to retract the post. None of you has an answer to Ryan’s critique.
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And there are a lot of really dumb ideas in this package. Taxing medical devices? They kidding? The individual mandate is unconstitutional (would someone please explain how the words “regulate interstate commerce” includes the power to force people to engage to buy insurance)? The government has the power to regulate computers–does it have the power to force me to buy one.

Apparently there are quite a few of you oeft wing Bolshevik Democrats out there that don’t understand capitalism. Ironic that you all are always whining about how we middle class hard working Americans don’t understand the definitions of socialism, Marxism, fascism, or any other ism yet you do not have a clue about capitalism.
Wall Street (or any other entity in America) will attempt to influence any govt official or support any candidate that they feel will be favorable to them. WHy? Because government has FAR TOO MUCH CONTROL OVER BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY!
Sarcasm is a great tool but, in order to be effective, there must be an element of truth in it. The real truth is that the big O is a radical Marxist, has communist and Marxist heroes and mentors, and by his interest in reparations and past statement, is apparently a racist. He has had the aid of the media in hiding his past and his past statement and some of you fools just refuse to see what is in the open today. Either Obama is intentionally destroying the economy or he and his Chicago thugs are even more incompetent and ignorant than anyone could have imagined. Maybe it’s some of each.
CNN and TIme and other left wing anti-American propaganda machines are sinking rapidly and we Americans couldn’t be enjoying it more. Thank you.

Could someone, pretty please, explain why people think this guy is such a genius?
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http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/24/obamateurism-of-the-day-216/
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Oh well, the days of doofuses in here yapping about three-level chess are over–thanks for small favors.
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KT, I presume you favor Pelosi not going full bore after Rangel.

Nose dive in Job losses occurred after Dems took over Congress in 2007. Don’t let facts get in your way. Check out the BLS pages.

Ricardo, I can guarantee two things:
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1. This “Marxist” pulls in more cold hard cash in a year than you ever will.
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2. You have no rebuttal to the facts I provided above. just more spittle-flecked invective.

Well, kevin, if this thing were so popular, then why is it dragging out so long? You guys have the votes . . . .
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I’m sorry, which is it — are Democrats “ramming it down your throats” or are they “dragging it out so long”? It can’t be both.

And what economic policies did the Democrats enact in 2007 that, in your belief, caused this sudden nosedive?
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Did they change the tax policy? Did they change the trade policy? Did they storm the Treasury and the Fed and the CEA and throw out all of Bush’s appointees? Did they seize control of Bush and Paulson with their awesome left-wing mind-control powers and convince them to push through the TARP program?
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Sorry, just because the Democrats took back Congress in 2007, in and of itself, doesn’t change anything. By your logic, I can say the economy nosedived in 2007 because the Colts won the Super Bowl in February of that year.

They want HCR that is more rational and doesn’t bankrupt the country.
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So you’re saying they want the Senate bill that the CBO said would reduce the deficit by $187 billion over the next ten years?
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OK. Thanks for your support.

uh, yes it can. Ramming something down someone’s throat, in the figurative sense, does not have to be quick.
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if this thing were so popular, it would have been passed already.
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By the way, KT, I don’t recall you ever commenting on some of the misleading stuff Obama has said. If Palin is to be excoriated for the death panels, then why not Obama for saying “if you like your plan you can keep it”?

Leaving that inanity aside, Ricardo, what about the rest of my points?
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Democrats are fully in control of Congress and the White House now, and unlike 2007, they have enacted a new direction in economic policy. And by every single metric — GDP, job growth, Dow Jones, whatever — the economy has shown marked improvement.
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All economists — left, right, and center — agree that things are better now. But hey, don’t let facts get in your way.

no kev, they just made it clear that touching fannie and freddie was off the table.

This thing *has* passed already, spob.
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It passed 60-39 in the Senate, and it passed 220-215 in the House. All they’re talking about now is taking the tried-and-true Republican method of using reconciliation to iron out the slight differences between the bills.

“Nose dive in Job losses occurred after Dems took over Congress in 2007.”
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Nice bit of bloviation. What exactly did the Democrats pass into law that was responsible for the job losses? I realize that your understanding of economics in nil and you are entirely partisan but isn’t it more likely that the job losses resulted from the ruinous policies of W and the Repubs over the previous six years? Take some time to think about it before responding with more ridiculousness.
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Oh, yeah….“Don’t let facts get in your way” either.

“These people were expressing what a majority of Americans think about the democrat’s version of HCR. They don’t want it.”
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Really? Why does poll after poll show that when people are informed what is actually in the bill that they support it? Are you saying that Americans are willfully ignorant in their opposition to it?
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http://www.newsweek.com/media/84/1001_ftop_v2.pdf

Karen thank you for this post at this time.
I agree with you about not betting against Nancy on this.
When she has delivered the President and Harry and the Senate will owe her big time for salvaging that disaster the Senate Health Bill.

3xfire: Our current system is already bankrupting the country. The right has just done a much better job of misinforming the country about the actual contents of the bill. The right wants to start all over. When the next bill is drafted they will want to start all over again. And again. Their sole strategy is to keep any reform from passing.

Don’t forget your peers not-so-secret aim of handing Obama a Waterloo, spob.
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Hell, I don’t even need to post proof, just look up-thread at ricardo4max’s commentary (recreational fear?!?!?!).
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Stop playing both sides of the issue, spob. It’s an open secret.

ricardo4max:
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You didn’t notice that the economic collapse began in August, 2009?
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Just how stupid are you, and why do you keep smoking that crack, and who was at the helm at the time, and what policies was he following with deregulation?
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ricardo4max, I hereby declare you dumber than a warm rock on a windowsill!

KT:
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I think in general, I have a low opinion of both Reid and Pelosi for their lack of a spinal column, but since Obama is now lending his support for reconciliation, they may both, in response to artificial stimulae, evolve one.
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I think you are right. Democrats know that if they can’t get it done this way, they will be out the door.

I’m with Karen. Nancy Pelosi has been able to get a lot of things passed in the House that were stalled or stopped in the Senate. Reid on the other hand is too much of a conciliator. LBJ is spinning in his grave.

Agreed. Pelosi knows how to marshal a vote and get legislation passed. Reid has been particularly ineffectual though.

Does TIME.com look at why this bill is not a good bill to be passed?
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No, their efforts are to help pass a bad bill simply to give Democrats a “victory”. So that Democrats in November can say to their constituients, “see I voted for health care reform”.
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Has TIME.com spent any time on the Republican proposals at all?
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No, despite article after article citing the cost savings of opening up State to State sales of health care insurance like we enjoy with our automobile insurance, TIME.com would rather spend valuable time on continuing the Democrat Party’s lies about health care reform and passing what is clearly a bad bill.
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See the link below for a review of State to State sales of health care insurance, and how it will not cost the tax payer a single dime. See the link below how over 11 million people could be covered with health insurance which the Democrats will not consider.
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http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11256
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“If those looking for individual policies were allowed to shop in any state, the number of uninsured would drop by 11.1 million in the Parente study’s mid-range scenario, and possibly much more. Huge numbers would pick health insurance from Alabama, where minimal state interference means maximum consumer choice and low prices.
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In other words, the state President Obama once singled out as least competitive turns out to be the most competitive of all.”

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It is clear that if this was not simply a Government takeover of health care, and the creation of another out of control entitlement program, Democrats would be all over the proposals to stop the monopoly control of health care insurance, and pass simple legislation which stopped these practices State to State.
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This bill by the Democrats is nothing more than a power grab for trillions of tax payer dollars.
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Read about the truth, and stop listening to the lame stream media’s perpetuation of the health care lies.
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http://www.newfreedomblog.com

This resistance of Republicans to this bill by the Democrats is nothing more than a power grab for Congressional seats.
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Fixed it for ya.
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BTW, piss off blogwhoreRusty……………..

Ana Marie Cox links to this from the National Review and tweets “Wouldn’t it be *awesome* if Obama were as radical as the Rights thinks he is?”

If only.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmQyOTI5NzNkMmMxY2IyYThhMjBmNjhkOWQ2MTY5YjE=

if this thing were so popular, it would have been passed already.

lol.
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Kind of like how the Jobless Benefits extension (link), which usually passes by 98-0, is apparently unpopular? Oh wait, no, that thing hasn’t passed because we have idiot Republicans holding Americans hostage for political theater.

KT: I know it’s alot to ask, but is there any chance for a flurry of threads to bury the thread from hell? Even stuff like “Is It Snowing At Your House?”, How Was Your Weekend?”, “What’s You Favorite Color?” and “Open Thread” would be welcome.

Come to think of it…I like the idea of “Open Thread”.

“Has TIME.com spent any time on the Republican proposals at all?”
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Seriously rusty, has the GOP spent any time on GOP proposals?

I think that it could not be said better than that.
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With Bunning jumping on the “tough sh!t” bandwagon, and GOP conduct (talk about flipflopping!) in getting GOP issues inserted, then voting against them, how could one improve on it?

The next Republican on JK’s thread to complain about where the jobs are is going to get a response like this one:
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I don’t know. Ask Jim Bunning!

How many desciples have ya got over there, rusty?
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I betcha absolutely hated the reaction of the citizens of John Day, Oregon yesterday, didn’tcha?

Did anyone notice that the republicans never mentioned their only full proposal, Paul Ryan’s during the summit?

I agree with Karen that Speaker Pelosi has “whipping” skills that should not be underestimated. I was impressed with her handling of questions when she was interviewed by Charlie Rose a short while back.

I just wish she were whipping votes for real reform–a single payer Medicare-for-all bill like HR 676.

It pains me to see so much energy expended on faux fixes that leave the private insurers embedded in our system. Wherever and whenever they are involved, costs rise. We have seen that happen with Medicare Advantage. It costs the taxpayer more than regular Medicare.

In Kentucky, Passport, a supposedly nonprofit company, manages care for Medicaid patients in several counties. It has just been revealed that Passport costs the state more per-client than traditional Medicaid.

Tell your representatives not to waste time on an ineffective public option. Tell them to go for the gold: a streamlined simple plan, built on a proven nonprofit model with low administrative costs. Expand and Improve Medicare, fund it into the future, reimburse providers fairly, and cover everyone.

Liberal Democrats are the BEST thing that ever happened for the Tea Party. Your crude and dismissive attitude of this movement is precisely what motivates us to do even more. Contrary to your opinion, indianed, if this health care bill passes in it’s present form, we will have plenty to do. Democrat’s will become an endangered species and our movement will play a significant role in making this happen. Let us see just WHO is laughing, come November.

Oh, Andy McCarthy. Do you ever get tired of being so very, very wrong?

Why is it that with a bill so wildly popular (according the PROGRESSIVES) is it that the PRESIDENT has to arm twist.. wouldn’t the reps of the people be RUNNING to support it? Wouldn’t the people be doing the same? THEY AREN’T cause IT’S NOT.. What a sad bunch of losers the left has become.. they can’t even nor have any attention to pleasing the PEOPLE who by the way are their bosses.. a FEW are trying to bully the rest.. How sad.. Can’t wait until NOVEMBER..

LookieLookieLookie!
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Patented spob Change of Subject/Object of Scorn/Shiny Object Ju-jitsu move…
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And, to add, the “Shouldn’t Rangel’s Problems Derail All Talk of Heathcare Reform” horse of many stripes/bruises (if it ain’t dead yet).

earljr,
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I would think it would be your candidates and policy proposals that would motivate you.
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Resentment is NOT a very attractive governance philosophy.
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As I’ve told you before, you REALLY need to get that MASSIVE chip off of your shoulder, Doc.

It seems, out death has been greatly exaggerated.
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Happy reconciliation!

It needs to be. I noticed that, even last night, the access speed was being affected by that “tumor” of a thread.
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I was never completely sure WHAT comment I was seeing or responding to. Sluggish didn’t begin to describe it.

53-3,
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Didn’t I tell you to plug the cracks around the doors and windows before you went to bed last night??
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Now look what happened… we’ve got termites!

I can assure you, afguy, it WILL be the candidate AND the philosophy that gets my backing. That particular candidate will look at ALL of the facts and act accordingly.The will of the American people should indicate course of direction. 68% of those people now think our country is headed in the wrong direction. How can sympathy to that concern contribute to having a “massive chip” on one’s shoulder? We will express our discontent, afguy, at the ballot box and the results should be quite interesting.

Ah but we do have the liberal main stream media who will shill for them as much as possible, Icky9.
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When the people know this is a bad bill, we can always count on the likes of Karen Tumulty and Joe Klein to write story after story on how this bill is the next best thing since sliced bread.

Maybe afguy would like to take a stab at Joe Klein’s blog posting “The Health Care Summit” and explain why so many responded against Obama and the rest of the Democrats?
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How about it afguy? Any answers from the little liberal left?
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984 comments and still climbing.

Frankly, with all the hoopla going on with the healthcare debate; there seems to be a sector of Americans who are totally against healthcare reform. This goes without saying that most don’t care about cost, except what they think or believe with regards what they here in the news media. Taking sides gives them a platform on which to shout at each other, hoping that those shouting the loudest will get things done. Hardly anyone talks about the train wreck coming at us full force. That wreck is the constant rising cost that is going to make all of us broke. Those of us who are not politicians, not wealthy; will bear the blunt in the not too long future. Politicians are wealthy and they receive tax paid insurance. They can say or do whatever float their boat, but those of us who work for an income will not be qualified for free insurance. Given the nature of the economy and the large amount insurance takes from the GDP, soon; neither the government nor employers will offer insurance. I see it coming and soon, only very few will be able to pay the high cost of insurance; the top 1% maybe but they will complain too. They and us will look back and blame the government and each other; but rest assure, we’ll all have to go to the emergency room, only to be turned away. They are right! Don’t get sick or you’ll die. With all the bad genes in most people, even those against healthcare, I can’t wait from them to keel over, eye wide open and asking themselves, what the hell did I do? For the sake of teaching ignorant and selfish people a lesson, I hope healthcare reform die a fast death and this Congress never take up this bill again. Let people understand that it is not only wise to have this reform done right away; it should have been done decades ago.

The real truth is that the big O is a radical Marxist…
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And Goldman’s management are Leninists, as are all the revolutionary participants in the Bolshevik-inspired Troubled Asset Relief Program.

For the likes of “spod” Fannie and Freddie can’t be touch by any side of the parties. No part have an answer for those two entities.

No one on Earth has the capital or resource to touch Fannie or Freddie. The two together controls trillions; they can only gradually change things but not close them down. If you think 2006 to 2009 was bad, the world economy would crash flat out.
You and I would have no job and we would starve to death. Think again before you mention those two bloated companies, ha!!! that will be the day!

Yeah! I love the “Ram it down out throats” statements, SWEET! Do you remember the same Ram it down in 2003 with the huge tax breaks for the top 1%? Of course you don’t. Do you remember two wars that was not in the budget? Of course you don’t. Do you remember the Medicare/Medicaid changes in 2003? No you don’t!

Let’s stop these socialists and left wing Liberals from “Ramming down our throats these bills” BUT we MUST forget that just yesterday 2003 to 2008, many bills were RAMMED down our throats with as much as a peep from you conservative minded REAL Americans who are for conserving this great nation.

I tell you this, when you lose your job, don’t go collecting unemployment; you are a real American. When you lose your insurance or the cost is similar or more than your mortage (if you have one) don’t complain or go to the emergency room. You should not do that, or else you are a fraud.

Rusty, ‘ol bean,
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Can you say “Drudge link”? Complete with duplicate postings and more than a few that were seriously off their meds…
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I KNEW you could…

earljr,
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I can’t recall your EVER saying what it is about the Tea Party that you are supporting.
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You do, however, keep talking about “being ridiculed” and “November’s coming”…
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What candidate are you supporting… and what’s the philosophy you are supporting fo the rest of the country, beyond of course, the “don’t ignore us, we hate libruls, and we’re gonna get even”?
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That’s not support of a position, that’s just being pissed off. NOT a good governing philosophy to appeal to the rest of the electorate.

One more thing, earl.
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You and your fellow Tea Peartiers might want to keep a hand on your wallets and that of your “cause”.
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As much as you hate libruls, that’s not our hand in your pocket trying to pick it. That’s the mainstream GOP trying to take you over.
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You’re looking in the wrong direction, at the wrong culprit.

3xfire3:

These people were expressing what a majority of Americans think about the democrat’s version of HCR.

Hmmm…what are these people saying?

Obama is leading us into bankruptcy in the name of Socialism. Wake up Liberals!
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Socialized medicine at any cost – an objective that, fortunately, will not be reached.
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The Republicans DO NOT WANT THIS COUNTRY DESTROYED!
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Is it possible that one of the objectives of the Democrats pushing “reform” is to bankrupt private insurers? If it happens, should we write it off to the Law of Unintended Consequences?
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For the love of God please wake up and make an attempt the engage the majority of Americans who do not want Socialisim and Communisim to win in our country….. Grow up!
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All Obama cares about is leading the US down a path of Socialism. Once he starts the ball rolling, there will be no turning back. He could care less that he will of course lose his job and take numerous other democrats down with him. Because he will have completed his mission. He will have destroyed America as we know it!
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Like Ayn Rand said, “progressive liberals” view man merely as a sacrificial animal, whose only worth is to exist to serve what is euphemistically called “the common good”. He has no worth in and of himself. His value is in serving others.
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As Glenn Beck said, progressives differ from Marxists like this: Marxists want immediate revolution and progressives want to evolve to it, eating away at the Constitution bit by bit.
Get it? Good.
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The large number of left wing anti-American pro Marxist pro-Obama posts here are indicative of how Time and CNN and their readers / viewers feel about freedom, liberty, and the US Constitution.
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socialism/communism has failed. Soviet communism failed. Historical fact. Socialism in American has been tried several times in American several times in our history. It failed every time. People starved and died. Canada medical socialism is failing. British socialized medicine is failing (read UK Telegraph). Wake up and most importantly grow up.
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Like some uber-liberal Frankenstein, Obama is a radicalized hybrid of the worst of Carter and Clinton, infused with a dangerous dose of Chicago thuggery, set loose on the freedom loving citizens of the United States.
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You libs can sit and circle jerk all day exclaiming “Good point!” at each successive climax, so we thank Drudge for letting us watch the fun. We hate such people and ideologies that enslave people such as Marx, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Castro… Obama.
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Surely you can’t believe that the view that the President of the United States is a secret Marxist engaged in a plot to destroy the American economy (via an anti-American health insurance reform program designed to undermine capitalism) is representative of what the majority of ordinary people think, right, 3xfire3?

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

3xfire3:

These people were expressing what a majority of Americans think about the democrat’s version of HCR.

Hmmm…what are these people saying?

Obama is leading us into bankruptcy in the name of Socialism. Wake up Liberals!
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Socialized medicine at any cost – an objective that, fortunately, will not be reached.
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The Republicans DO NOT WANT THIS COUNTRY DESTROYED!
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Is it possible that one of the objectives of the Democrats pushing “reform” is to bankrupt private insurers? If it happens, should we write it off to the Law of Unintended Consequences?
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For the love of God please wake up and make an attempt the engage the majority of Americans who do not want Socialisim and Communisim to win in our country….. Grow up!
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All Obama cares about is leading the US down a path of Socialism. Once he starts the ball rolling, there will be no turning back. He could care less that he will of course lose his job and take numerous other democrats down with him. Because he will have completed his mission. He will have destroyed America as we know it!
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Like Ayn Rand said, “progressive liberals” view man merely as a sacrificial animal, whose only worth is to exist to serve what is euphemistically called “the common good”. He has no worth in and of himself. His value is in serving others.
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As Glenn Beck said, progressives differ from Marxists like this: Marxists want immediate revolution and progressives want to evolve to it, eating away at the Constitution bit by bit.
Get it? Good.
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The large number of left wing anti-American pro Marxist pro-Obama posts here are indicative of how Time and CNN and their readers / viewers feel about freedom, liberty, and the US Constitution.
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socialism/communism has failed. Soviet communism failed. Historical fact. Socialism in American has been tried several times in American several times in our history. It failed every time. People starved and died. Canada medical socialism is failing. British socialized medicine is failing (read UK Telegraph). Wake up and most importantly grow up.
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Like some uber-liberal Frankenstein, Obama is a radicalized hybrid of the worst of Carter and Clinton, infused with a dangerous dose of Chicago thuggery, set loose on the freedom loving citizens of the United States.
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You libs can sit and circle jerk all day exclaiming “Good point!” at each successive climax, so we thank Drudge for letting us watch the fun. We hate such people and ideologies that enslave people such as Marx, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Castro… Obama.

Surely you can’t believe that the view that the President of the United States is a secret Marxist engaged in a plot to destroy the American economy (via an anti-American health insurance reform program designed to undermine capitalism) is representative of what the majority of ordinary people think, right, 3xfire3?

Perhaps the Drudgists have caused something with respect to moderation, because now comments from that Joe Klein post which I’ve pasted in here result in my commentary being stuck in moderation:
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Your comment is awaiting moderation.
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I’ll try posting them one by one, to see what the (new?) forbidden words are.
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3xfire3:

These people were expressing what a majority of Americans think about the democrat’s version of HCR.

Hmmm…what are these people saying?
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#1

Obama is leading us into bankruptcy in the name of Socialism. Wake up Liberals!

Comment #2

Socialized medicine at any cost – an objective that, fortunately, will not be reached.

Bravo ricardo. It appears you picked up Limbaugh’s accusation that health care reforem is all about reparations to African Americans. You will like the latest right wing paranoia, abortion of black babies is a plot to control African Americans.
Stick with Rush. He can feed you all the hate you will ever need.

Comment #3

The Republicans DO NOT WANT THIS COUNTRY DESTROYED!

Comment #4

Is it possible that one of the objectives of the Democrats pushing “reform” is to bankrupt private insurers? If it happens, should we write it off to the Law of Unintended Consequences?

Comment #4 (again)

Is it possible that one of the objectives of the Democrats pushing “reform” is to bankrupt private insurers? If it happens, should we write it off to the Law of Unintended Consequences?

Comment#5

For the love of God please wake up and make an attempt the engage the majority of Americans who do not want Socialisim and Communisim to win in our country….. Grow up!

Comment #6

All Obama cares about is leading the US down a path of Socialism. Once he starts the ball rolling, there will be no turning back. He could care less that he will of course lose his job and take numerous other democrats down with him. Because he will have completed his mission. He will have destroyed America as we know it!

Comment #7

Like Ayn Rand said, “progressive liberals” view man merely as a sacrificial animal, whose only worth is to exist to serve what is euphemistically called “the common good”. He has no worth in and of himself. His value is in serving others.

Comment #8

As Glenn Beck said, progressives differ from Marxists like this: Marxists want immediate revolution and progressives want to evolve to it, eating away at the Constitution bit by bit.
Get it? Good.

Comment #9

The large number of left wing anti-American pro Marxist pro-Obama posts here are indicative of how Time and CNN and their readers / viewers feel about freedom, liberty, and the US Constitution.

Comment #10

socialism/communism has failed. Soviet communism failed. Historical fact. Socialism in American has been tried several times in American several times in our history. It failed every time. People starved and died. Canada medical socialism is failing. British socialized medicine is failing (read UK Telegraph). Wake up and most importantly grow up.

Comment #11

Like some uber-liberal Frankenstein, Obama is a radicalized hybrid of the worst of Carter and Clinton, infused with a dangerous dose of Chicago thuggery, set loose on the freedom loving citizens of the United States.

Comment #12

You libs can sit and circle jerk all day exclaiming “Good point!” at each successive climax, so we thank Drudge for letting us watch the fun. We hate such people and ideologies that enslave people such as Marx, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Castro… Obama.

Surely you can’t believe that the view that the President of the United States is a secret Marxist engaged in a plot to destroy the American economy (via an anti-American health insurance reform program designed to undermine capitalism) is representative of what the majority of ordinary people think, right, 3xfire3?
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(the problem might be that, in reposting the Joe Klein thread comments, the word “Marxist” appears too many times?)

earljr — Apparently you missed this reading in your right track – wrong track numbers: More Americans believe that the Democrats have a plan for the future. Care to reconcile that one with your November rant?
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/february_2010/voters_think_democrats_more_likely_to_have_a_plan_for_the_future

blogwhoreRusty — You are and always have been an unscrupulous troll. Why are you still here? Where is your integrity? Remember when you said you were leaving because KT scolded your worthless a$$ after you accused her of lying? I guess integrity is too much to expect from the likes of you.

Cantor’s answer is vouchers instead of Medicare. That will go over big with the current Medicare enrollees. How will these vouchers be paid for? Will there be a tax? Oh no! Say it aint so!
Private accts rather than Social Security. That was a popular idea last time it was proposed.
He is a believer in health saving accts. They are fine if you have a plan with low deductibles/co-pays and a good income. Most people don’t have the extra money to put into health savings accts. If they had to be used, the money saved could disappear quickly.
Cantors ideas for privatizing everything is quaint.

Minimum state interference, maximum choice, lower premiums. Enough said.
New: The insurance will certainly rush to offer coverage in the least regulated states. And, what will be the quality of that insurance?
Credit card companies have congregated in the least regulated state, has that brought down interest rates and fees?

This is the 2nd Joe Klein post that brought forth the “furies” in the last couple of weeks. Drudge seems to like posting them. Maybe Joe should reconsider his headlines. He could title them something like:
“Tea Partiers are Real Americans”
“Jesus is a Republican”
“Obama is a Muslim, faciest, communist, non-citizen”
“Rush Limbaugh is a big, fat, patriot”
Then in the body of his post he could discuss his real reason for posting.
Diversion maybe the solution.

Reponse to Paul Ryan’s massive rationing plan:
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/02/paul-ryans-budget-alternative-massive-rationing.php

WOW! Ricardo, Earl, Trifecta what’s with the incessant need to reduce eveyone and everything to hateful labels? It seems like each of you has an anger management issue.

I think the ugly truth is that when you and your tea bagger friends call Obama a ‘socialist’ or a ‘communist’ or a ‘facist’, you have another word ACHING to come out: NIGGER! and I’m sure on other blogs, it does come out.

Your movement, the tea-baggers, are great at scaring poorly educated people who lack the inclination, depth or ability to seek truth and who readily accept what they are told by people on right wing radio and tv.

Combined with the never ending use of ridiculous words like patriotic, freedom and flag pin, its no wonder everone laughs at your movement and the republican party.

And Scott Brown? Please! Martha Coakley lost a foregone conclusion because she was a candidate without a pulse with no ideas who went on vacation for 18 days in the month leading up to the election. Ditto Virginia (another brain dead idiot) and Christie won in NJ because Corzine bought the previous elections with his money, had no ability to lead and the people finally wised up. All these elections were lost based on local issues and nothing more.

By the way did you know Scott Brown is pro gay marriage, pro choice (should I go on?) I’ll take him over Ben Nelson any day.

and Ricardo: when you say there is too much goverment control of business in this country, do you feel there is too much government control of the credit card banks who charge 33.9% interest on a credit card that was sent out with a 4.9% teaser rate to your kid in college? do you feel there is too much government control of the insurance companies who deny coverage to a patient who is dying who needs a procedure who has paid their premiums?

The problem with your movement, in addition to lacking any significant level of interest nationally (because most people look at you as mentally unstable) is that you operate on hysteria and not substance spraying out hate filled words.

In between screams of ‘patriotism’ and ‘kill the socialist’ ask yourself and your relatives if they’re willing to give up their Social Security check and the Medicare and their extended unemployment. I didn’t think so! (and even if you answered ‘yes’, you’d be signing your SS check with the other!

The truest irony is that Nancy Pelosi has single handedly done more to help people like you than you could ever understand in your bitter, hate-filled world. Your friends rl & sh know that. They’re laughing at all of you while they spend their big, fat checks every week.

Until we properly fund public education in this country, this situation with ignorant sponges regurgitating hate won’t change.Hopefully Obama and Arnie Duncan are doing that and we’ll see the results in 18 years or so.

afguy, it is too early for naming a candidate but I can assure you…..my candidate WILL be a fiscal conservative, an advocate for Christian values and will also be for complete transparency in government.(no more back room deals) He or she WOULD not be voting for this absurdly complicated health care reform bill. As you know, I DO advocate health care reform, but NOT as it presently stands. There is no tort reform and much of the expense gets shifted to an already overly burdened state government. I also do not approve using tax dollars to support abortion. There is MUCH to dislike about this current bill and I think we can certainly do better….MUCH better! It will be a grievous mistake if the Democrats try to force feed this on America. They do so at their own peril.

Progressive* Democrats voted in a self-important, colossal idiot who has never done anything in his entire worthless life (other than voting present). Now, when he looks down his snoot and lectures us, insults our country, insults our religion, insults my friends and insults me, I take offense!

How to create jobs…
…From a man who has never held a real job.
How to run our businesses…
…From a man who has never run a business..
How to run our education system…
…From a man who hides his college records.
How to manage our finances…
…From a man who spends money we don’t have.
How we should respect his faith…
…From a man who mocks Christian faith.
How to run our military…
…From a man who embraces those who attacked America.
How he respects our American Heritage…
…From a man who is dedicated to Socialism.

*progressive: I am elite and smart, you are stupid, therefore I will be your master

Obama Mocks Christian Faith
http://usataxpayer.org/?0033881580

Obama’s Own Words
http://usataxpayer.org/?0097519370

Fantu: bitter and jealous much? its so transparent!

Fantu:

How to create jobs…
…From a man who has never held a real job.
**** HELLO! Ever heard of POTUS?

How to run our businesses…
…From a man who has never run a business..
**** He employed more people in his WINNING campaign than most ‘small’ businesses you know!

How to run our education system…
…From a man who hides his college records.
**** Please! Anyone can call Yale and Harvard to verify his attendance.

How to manage our finances…
…From a man who spends money we don’t have.
**** To reverse 8 years of fiscal irresponsibility and idiocy!

How we should respect his faith…
…From a man who mocks Christian faith.
**** Keep clinging!

How to run our military…
…From a man who embraces those who attacked America.
**** Not a draft dodger like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld!

How he respects our American Heritage…
…From a man who is dedicated to Socialism.
**** Ready to send back your Social Security check, your medicare benefits, your extended unemployment and your welfare check? I didn’t think so!

**** Don’t shoot us! We’re only the messengers! Besides, how could you when you’re clinging to your religion and your rifle!

WOW! Ricardo, Earl, Trifecta what’s with the incessant need to reduce eveyone and everything to hateful labels? It seems like each of you has an anger management issue.

I think the ugly truth is that when you and your tea bagger friends call Obama a ‘socialist’ or a ‘communist’ or a ‘facist’, you have another word ACHING to come out: N*g*er! and I’m sure on other blogs, it does come out.

Your movement, the tea-baggers, are great at scaring poorly educated people who lack the inclination, depth or ability to seek truth and who readily accept what they are told by people on right wing radio and tv.

Combined with the never ending use of ridiculous words like patriotic, freedom and flag pin, its no wonder everone laughs at your movement and the republican party.

And Scott Brown? Please! Martha Coakley lost a foregone conclusion because she was a candidate without a pulse with no ideas who went on vacation for 18 days in the month leading up to the election. Ditto Virginia (another brain dead idiot) and Christie won in NJ because Corzine bought the previous elections with his money, had no ability to lead and the people finally wised up. All these elections were lost based on local issues and nothing more.

By the way did you know Scott Brown is pro gay marriage, pro choice (should I go on?) I’ll take him over Ben Nelson any day.

and Ricardo: when you say there is too much goverment control of business in this country, do you feel there is too much government control of the credit card banks who charge 33.9% interest on a credit card that was sent out with a 4.9% teaser rate to your kid in college? do you feel there is too much government control of the insurance companies who deny coverage to a patient who is dying who needs a procedure who has paid their premiums?

The problem with your movement, in addition to lacking any significant level of interest nationally (because most people look at you as mentally unstable) is that you operate on hysteria and not substance spraying out hate filled words.

In between screams of ‘patriotism’ and ‘kill the socialist’ ask yourself and your relatives if they’re willing to give up their Social Security check and the Medicare and their extended unemployment. I didn’t think so! (and even if you answered ‘yes’, you’d be signing your SS check with the other!

The truest irony is that Nancy Pelosi has single handedly done more to help people like you than you could ever understand in your bitter, hate-filled world. Your friends rl & sh know that. They’re laughing at all of you while they spend their big, fat checks every week.

Until we properly fund public education in this country, this situation with ignorant sponges regurgitating hate won’t change.Hopefully Obama and Arnie Duncan are doing that and we’ll see the results in 18 years or so.

Because as we all know Alabama has a world renowned reputation for taking care of it’s citizens.

earljr,
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Believe it or not, I agree with a LOT of what you say there.

The trollery here has reached new lows.