Desiree Rogers Takes A Bow, While The Sally Quinn Set Rejoices

Back when Gatecrashgate hit in November, Desiree Rogers, the White House Social Secretary, held her ground. She avoided calls from the press, refused an opportunity to testify before Congress, and then appeared smiling and attentive at each of the subsequent White House holiday parties, gleefully greeting journalists, staff and members of Congress, as if there was nothing at all amiss. It sure seemed like that her days in the White House were numbered.

And so they were. The Chicago Sun-Times’s Lynn Sweet breaks the news today about Rogers’ plans for a graceful exit. “As we turn the corner on the first year,” Rogers tells Sweet, “this is a good time for me to explore opportunities in the corporate world.” Rogers leaves declaring victory, noting that she oversaw over 330 events, including many notable departures from the normal White House pomp and populations. But her departure can be read just as easily as another lesson in how much trouble Team Obama is having changing the twisted ways of Washington.

Let us recall Rogers’ alleged crime: On the night of the first state dinner of 2009, at least three bottomfeeder social types snuck into the White House without tickets. The Secret Service, which is charged with sealing a bubble around the President, bungled their gig. And while the gun-totters were blowing it, Rogers was yucking it up, walking in as an invited guest dressed in a designer gown that looked like a paper bib with inlaid pearls. Neither she nor her staff were positioned at the entrances with clipboards to serve as a double-check, trouble-shooters for the Secret Service. An internal review by the White House later concluded that though the Secret Service had made the mistake, White House staff like Rogers might have helped prevent the breach. “The President believes that the men and women of the Secret Service put their lives on the line everyday to protect him, his family and many others,” the memo read. “We need to do whatever we can to help them succeed in their mission.”

So Rogers changed her ways, but she was already fatally wounded in the bizarre social logic of Washington, which tends to be much less forgiving of the sins of women than men. The Washington Post’s Sally Quinn, who has long exemplified the worst of the city’s sick aristocratic tribal culture, led the charge by calling for Rogers resignation. The rationale? “From the start, Rogers was an unlikely choice for social secretary,” Quinn wrote. “She was not of Washington, considered by many too high-powered for the job and more interested in being a public figure (and thus upstaging the first lady) than in doing the gritty, behind-the-scenes work inherent in that position.”

In other words, Rogers had committed two crimes: Not only was she not part of Quinn’s tea party set, but she had also–gasp!–introduced herself to D.C. as her own person, on her own terms, not as just another member of the hired help. Quinn, who describes herself as “a legendary wit and hostess” on one book jacket, took to the cable network circuit doing her best imitation of Lewis Carroll’s Queen of Hearts. “You have seen it in Washington year after year after year,” she said on MSNBC. “When there is some terrible mistake made, someone has to take responsibility. There has to be consequences.”

At the time, I argued that all of this was a bunch of back-stabbing poppycock, a modern-day version of what the Greeks understood as “tall poppy syndrome.” “Always put out of the way the citizens who overtop the rest,” Periander advised Thrasybulus. Rogers had come to Washington to shake it up. She had changed the job of Social Secretary, transforming it from just a staff position and to more of an artistic template for her own vision, which was apparently embraced by the Obama family. “Take a chance on yourself and be comfortable about it,” she told me once, describing her own philosophy and that of her employers.

But change, as the Obamas have learned, does not become of Washington–whether one is talking about influence brokering or party planning. Rogers had come to make waves, she made waves, and then she got wiped out. If there is any consolation to this whole sorry tale, it is that the crooked viciousness of the social set does not spare anyone. Earlier this week, Sally Quinn lost her column in the Washington Post, after using it to write a particularly petty and catty piece about an internal squabble in her own family regarding wedding dates. The tall poppy tyranny plays no favorites, you see. Our nation’s capital is imbued with the same social silliness as a middle school. You can’t just walk in and sit at any lunch table you choose. If you do, they will find a way to get you.

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  • grape_crush

    Our nation’s capital is imbued with the same social silliness as a middle school.
    .
    As is our news media, apparently.

  • spob

    Someone doesn’t like Sally Quinn very much . . . .

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Did you make the call to take over Quinn’s column before or after you posted this?

  • apr2563

    Watch the traditional media latch on to this as some major calamity for the Obama administration. Fox and right wing hate talking radio will find some way to make this a racial talking point. The rumors will circulate through Drudge and Politico. John McCain will be asked on his gazillionth turn on a Sunday talk show what this all means. The crisis will be discussed for a few days until something else at least as unimportant riles the pack.
    I was glad to see Sally “they aren’t one of us” Quinn booted from the print pages of WP but she keeps her online column. Quinn is the poster girl for the Villagers. She demeaned the Carters and Clintons because they did not bow to her social preeminence. She is concerned that Obama hasn’t done enough to sooth her clique’s needs. Yet beltway pundits attend her soirees and take her seriously.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Please stay on top of this very important story.

  • shepherdwong

    Sally Quinn has a “set”?

  • afguy

    On behalf of middle schools everythere, I object to the insinuation that we have sunk that low…

  • afguy

    Used to, but they too “sunk to a lower level”…

  • exile500

    I’m stunned by how sane this post is. There’s hope for you yet, Michael.

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer
  • shepherdwong

    I thought you said “rejoices” not “hear voices”.

  • afguy

    P-NNTO,
    .
    On other news of national import, Tyra Banks is interviewing the Millionaire Matchmaker NOW… as we speak!
    .
    I had to get up and change the channel… electrons were giving their all for no practical reason.

  • sacredh

    Mighty Quinn the Pestimo.
    .
    Nice comment afguy. Tawdry, but not too tawdry. I’m a little jealous.

  • afguy

    sacredh: the pun “Force” is strong with you today, as always…
    .
    I do my small part to keep the “soup” on simmer here… but continue to learn from the Master.

  • afguy

    So… what kinds of stories does Sally handle now?
    .
    The local scout troop is selling popcorn. The ball team is selling baked goods.
    .
    Is this more in her beat now? Or am I shooting too high here? Maybe paper/plastic recycling drives in DC?

  • sacredh

    I’m no master. Just an eager pupil. Did you see that 53_3 came back?

  • apr2563

    Old Sal is still the WP Faith and Famiy opinionator online. So funny. This is the Sally Quinn who was Ben Bradlee’s mistress before their marriage. She parlayed her (ahem) position into promotions at the WP.
    DC is so funny.

  • apr2563

    Correction: Family

  • afguy

    Yessss!!! I did. More cause for rejoicing.
    .
    Welcome back, 53_3!

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    This is not a bad post at all.
    -
    Michael, you do realize that you’re kinda articulating the critique of your own work here, don’t you?
    -
    That social/careerist pressures compel a “both sides are bad” savvy pose from journalists, and a focus on process and personalities at the expense of substance?

  • afguy

    She parlayed her (ahem) position into promotions at the WP.
    .
    Oh, you’re gonna fit in REALLY well here, apr2563!

  • sacredh

    OT, but I’d been after my wife to buy clippers and cut my hair instead of having to pay for cuts. She’d put me off for 4 days so I tried them out myself. I gave myself a mohawk this afternoon. She’s somewhat less than happy right now. As soon as she cools down she’s going to try to salvage it.

  • afguy

    Elvis,
    .
    I agree.. I’m waiting for that to realization to sink in too…

  • afguy

    sacredh: does she appear to have learned her lesson about leaving you to your own devices too long?

  • pafro

    You and Sally Quinn must loath each other because you are so alike.

    It is like the natural dance of two Bengal Tigers both trying to rule a jungle of pettiness and inanity. You circle the great forest, always taking great pains to avoid the others scent, yet still trying to increase your territory by peeing on every tree you can find.

  • sacredh

    afguy: No. She yelled down a few minutes ago that she was ready but I could tell by her tone that she wasn’t. I thought that she would think it was funny. She didn’t.

  • afguy

    I was wondering what that smell was…

  • sacredh

    Excuse me. I must have eaten something.

  • apr2563

    Been here quite awhile. Although I can be quite serious, Sacred has encouraged my more profane side.
    For someone of my generation who did not say the F word until my 30s (how liberating was that?!), it is getting easier.

  • afguy

    Only one issue I can take with your analogy, pafro.
    .
    I absolutely LOVE Bengal Tigers! I think they’re among the most beautiful animals on Earth!
    .
    The pair who are the object of the comparison – not so much.

  • virginiagentleman

    Michael, I don’t know what you put in your coffee today but you have been on fire. Between the “Eve of Destruction” post earlier today and this beat down on Sally Quinn, you are out for blood. And I approve.

    Keep it up. Ignore the haters! Go get ‘em!

  • afguy

    The trick is to couch it in language in such a way that the reader thinks, “Did she just say what I thought she said?” without being absolutely sure.

  • afguy

    vg,
    .
    We don’t hate Mikey. Just want him to look in the mirror every once in a while…

  • Ivy_B

    Good grief, MTP is really forward looking – they had already asked President McCain to be on Sunday!

  • Ivy_B

    Yes, Michael. Congrats on your Eve of Destruction and this is a nice follow-up. I was pleased to see that she is at least out of the print paper – that column about the wedding was over the line. Now if David Broder were to go — oh joy, oh rapture.

  • jcapan

    MS, hell yeahs!
    .
    “The Washington Post’s Sally Quinn, who has long exemplified the worst of the city’s sick aristocratic tribal culture”
    .
    Though I wish you were taking on David Broder and not a mere socialite, I still say kudos. Here’s Digby from last year about the village you share with these wankers:
    .
    “Greg [Sargent] is right that ['The Village'] stems from the notorious Sally Quinn article about the Clintons.[6] But it’s more than that. It’s shorthand for the permanent DC ruling class who have managed to convince themselves that they are simple, puritanical, bourgeois burghers and farmers, even though they are actually celebrity millionaires influencing the most powerful government on earth. It’s about their phoniness, their pretense of speaking for ‘average Americans’ when it’s clear they haven’t the vaguest clue even about the average Americans who work in their local Starbucks or drive their cabs. It’s about their intolerable sanctimony and hypocritical provincialism, pretending to be shocked about things they all do, creating social rules for others which they themselves ignore.”
    .
    Later you say: “But change, as the Obamas have learned, does not become of Washington–whether one is talking about influence brokering or party planning. Rogers had come to make waves, she made waves, and then she got wiped out. If there is any consolation to this whole sorry tale, it is that the crooked viciousness of the social set does not spare anyone.”
    .
    I ignored this faux scandal then and don’t care now either, but I can’t help but note that Rogers is about the only person in this admin. who has, even temporarily, shaken up DC.
    .
    And shouldn’t this be the tagline for any retiring pol or admin. official:
    .
    “this is a good time for me to explore opportunities in the corporate world”

  • stuartzechman

    Michael Scherer:
    .
    How did you get through this entire post without once using the terms “Village” or “Villager”?

  • stuartzechman

    From Spocko (link to Spocko’s Brain):
    .
    The Village: The Sally Quinn Story

    Here’s part of my screenplay, The Village, soon to be a minor motion picture.
    .
    Sally Quinn left her party for the kitchen. She was checking on the catering staff.
    .
    “What the HELL are you thinking!” she hissed.
    .
    “The bacon wrapped figs are FALLING APART! Tight. Tight. TIGHT! You have to roll them tight. If the bacon is too crisp throw it away and get another piece. If I spot one more hors d’oeuvre falling apart you are fired. Don’t forget I brought down D.C. Delights Catering and I can bring you down too. ”
    .
    The staff practically fell to their knees to grovel. “Yes, Mrs. Bradley. Of course Mrs. Bradley. We will do better Mrs. Bradley. We are so sorry. It won’t happen again.”
    .
    “See that it doesn’t.” she said then turned to leave the kitchen. Right before she opened the door into the great room she paused, took a breath and smiled.
    .
    One of the staff had looked down and didn’t realize Quinn had paused to put on her Hostess face. She whispered to a friend. “Puta”
    .
    Quinn whipped her head around. “Bitch?! You call me a bitch in MY home?” Her voice got tight as she snapped out each word. “Come. Here.” as she made a motion with her hand.
    .
    The caterer, Margarita, stepped in front of the staff member to apologize for her.
    .
    “No. Not you. Her.” as she pointed to the woman who called her a bitch.
    .
    Maria stepped forward to face Quinn.
    .
    “I brought down a President who disrespected me. I stopped Hillary from becoming President. How dare you call me names in my own home?”
    .
    Maria figured she was already as good as deported. She looked at the tiny woman, with her perfect hair, wild eyes and lipstick leaking into the fine lines around her mouth.
    .
    “Because it is true.” she said. “You are a bad woman with a dark heart. Nobody loves you. They fear you, but no one will care if you die. You husband was here in the kitchen before you squeezing my ass and rubbing against me. So even the one who gives you power hates you, but is afraid of you.”
    .
    Quinn snapped out her hand and slapped her.
    .
    “I will destroy you, you bitch! I’ll kill you!”
    .
    The kitchen door swung open and Ben Bradley’s head popped in, “Sally, what’s the hold up? Dr. Gupta wants to talk with you.”
    .
    “Coming sweetie” she crooned. Then she turned to the caterer, Margarita. “She’s fired. See me after the party.” she stopped at the door, paused, put on her hostess face, then pushed through the swinging door.
    .
    Annette, a late addition to the catering staff, reached into her pocket to check her iPod. Good, the light was still on, it was all recorded. “Sally Quinn isn’t the only person who has power in this city” she thought. The exchange will be at the heart of her new book. ‘The D.C. Caterer Chronicles’ for Putnum. She wondered who would play her in the movie. If Selma Hayek is too old for the part, maybe she could get Penelope Cruz.

  • the committee

    Shorter Michael Scherer: It is a lamentable fact that Desiree Rogers is uppity. For evidence, see my blog post in which I explain that she appeared on the cover of Vanity Fair. It is also a lamentable fact that Washington does not tolerate such behavior.

    You’re a despicable half of a human being, Scherer.

  • sevenoaks07

    MS:

    Desiree Rogers? Sally Quinn: are these two people of any consequence when we have so many problems that affect us. Really: how do people dish out this blather without any sense of shame? We have far more important issues than Rogers’ plan to pursue other options and Sally Quinn’s desire to wasjhher family’s dirty linen. When I saw Martha Raddatz’ name I realised that the Village is really an inbred lot, with the resulting dimunition in their collective IQs.

  • afguy

    sevenoaks,
    .
    Surprised me too. I’ve been seeing Martha Raddatz on TeeVee for years and never made the connection between her and Ben B.
    .
    Here’s a fun thought… see if someone can get MTP or one of the other shows to schedule her and Sally Quinn on the same show at the same time.
    .
    I’ll bring the popcorn and a couple cases of beer if they can make it.

  • stuartzechman

    From Spocko (link to Spocko’s Brain):
    .
    The Village: The Sally Quinn Story

    Here’s part of my screenplay, The Village, soon to be a minor motion picture.
    .
    Sally Quinn left her party for the kitchen. She was checking on the catering staff.
    .
    “What the HELL are you thinking!” she hissed.
    .
    “The bacon wrapped figs are FALLING APART! Tight. Tight. TIGHT! You have to roll them tight. If the bacon is too crisp throw it away and get another piece. If I spot one more hors d’oeuvre falling apart you are fired. Don’t forget I brought down D.C. Delights Catering and I can bring you down too. ”
    .
    The staff practically fell to their knees to grovel. “Yes, Mrs. Bradley. Of course Mrs. Bradley. We will do better Mrs. Bradley. We are so sorry. It won’t happen again.”
    .
    “See that it doesn’t.” she said then turned to leave the kitchen. Right before she opened the door into the great room she paused, took a breath and smiled.
    .
    One of the staff had looked down and didn’t realize Quinn had paused to put on her Hostess face. She whispered to a friend. “Puta”
    .
    Quinn whipped her head around. “B!tch?! You call me a b!tch in MY home?” Her voice got tight as she snapped out each word. “Come. Here.” as she made a motion with her hand.
    .
    The caterer, Margarita, stepped in front of the staff member to apologize for her.
    .
    “No. Not you. Her.” as she pointed to the woman who called her a b!tch.
    .
    Maria stepped forward to face Quinn.
    .
    “I brought down a President who disrespected me. I stopped Hillary from becoming President. How dare you call me names in my own home?”
    .
    Maria figured she was already as good as deported. She looked at the tiny woman, with her perfect hair, wild eyes and lipstick leaking into the fine lines around her mouth.
    .
    “Because it is true.” she said. “You are a bad woman with a dark heart. Nobody loves you. They fear you, but no one will care if you die. You husband was here in the kitchen before you squeezing my ass and rubbing against me. So even the one who gives you power hates you, but is afraid of you.”
    .
    Quinn snapped out her hand and slapped her.
    .
    “I will destroy you, you b!tch! I’ll kill you!”
    .
    The kitchen door swung open and Ben Bradley’s head popped in, “Sally, what’s the hold up? Dr. Gupta wants to talk with you.”
    .
    “Coming sweetie” she crooned. Then she turned to the caterer, Margarita. “She’s fired. See me after the party.” she stopped at the door, paused, put on her hostess face, then pushed through the swinging door.
    .
    Annette, a late addition to the catering staff, reached into her pocket to check her iPod. Good, the light was still on, it was all recorded. “Sally Quinn isn’t the only person who has power in this city” she thought. The exchange will be at the heart of her new book. ‘The D.C. Caterer Chronicles’ for Putnum. She wondered who would play her in the movie. If Selma Hayek is too old for the part, maybe she could get Penelope Cruz.

  • Matt

    I can think of thousands of more important things to care about than who the new White House “social secretary” is, or is going to be.

    http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/

  • stuartzechman

    You don’t understand.
    .
    The class of people who rule us do care.

  • afguy

    Yes, they practice “screwing” us by screwing each other.
    .
    But, you’re right, sevenoaks,… doing so is h*ll on the gene pool…

  • apr2563

    Oh, I love the Gupta part.
    It is always interesting when one of the chosen write a book, have an anniversary related to their business, or an event they want to promote, the whole of the Village attends. This is when you know we have an olicharchy.

  • rose83

    I just can’t believe that was what finally brought Sally Quinn down. She basically intrprets everything as the background for the novel of her life. She even projected her own marital issues on the Palins when she said Sarah Palin couldn’t be VP because of Trig’s condition. This particular column was perfectly consistent with her general self-obsession.

  • kbanginmotown

    @afguy: LOL! You’re right on! My 2 middle-schoolers have WAY more class than the DC bunch.

  • apr2563

    rose: We can’t cry for Evita Sally Quinn. She is now a regular commentator on Fox News, bringing her superiority to comment on morality.

  • kbanginmotown

    sacredh: You speak of haircuts, and I think of this:
    http://www.theonion.com/content/news/20_000_tons_of_pubic_hair_trimmed
    ,
    Too weird?

  • kbanginmotown

    Kinda like the way Bob Dole always talked about Bob Dole in the 3rd person?
    .
    I could see MS doing that…

  • kbanginmotown

    Bengal Tiger…(Surpriseibus surprisibus)

  • afguy

    Followed on-air by Sarah Palin, speaking on the importance of completing the job you start.
    .
    Next week’s guest. John Ensign, expert in marital fidelity and the value of close friendships.

  • kbanginmotown

    @jcapan: Are you in the land of the rising sun, as your handle implies, or are you nearby? I’m headed to South Korea next month. Just sayin…

  • afguy

    Sunday, David Vitter (R-Depends) will conduct a seminar on adult personal hygiene and protection products available on the market, their advantages in daily life and alternate uses.

  • sacredh

    kbang: Weird? Certainly not. It’s sweet and romantic. Like grandma used to say ” Child, grass don’t grow on a race track”.

  • jcapan

    K-Bang, yes, been here just about two years this stint. A total of 5 years. You going on business or pleasure or both? Despite the proximity and cheap cost, I’ve never been to Korea.

  • jcapan

    Rose!

  • afguy

    Do we need to start a Swampland Chapter of the NASP (National Association of Sick Puppies)?
    .
    I’m thinking “yes”…

  • shepherdwong

    “The class of people who rule us do care.”
    .
    I think that politics is all they understand. The substance of things seems to escape them completely.

  • vwcat

    The whole social structure is like Jr. High and everyone allowed the nasty Quinn to destroy Rogers.
    Rogers was probably a breath of fresh air and cool and this probably stirred resentment in Quinn.

    Unfortunately, the whole Jr. High analysis could be tagged on the whole of the Washington media.

  • shepherdwong

    Respectable blogging today, Mr. Scherer.

  • formerlyjames

    Dear Desiree and Sally, please don’t let the door hit your posh, proper behinds on the way out. We will miss you, kisses.

  • Cliff

    Holy CRAP that is a long-ass post. There is no way on god’s green Earth I need to know that much about Quinn or Rogers.

  • sacredh

    It reminds me of the line from that Kevin Costner movie.
    .
    If you trim it, they will come.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Hmm, Swampland laments inanity of MS post, urges more focus on important issues, all the while piling up the comment tally on said inane post rather than posts on important issues. Only in the Swamp.

  • stuartzechman

    It’s not inane at all.

  • afguy

    Exiled,
    .
    I went back and looked at some of the threads today.
    .
    One on “The Health Care Summit” was completely hollowed out by a Troll infestation (looked like RedState was on recess).
    .
    Some of the others didn’t lend themselves to a robust discussion. Patterson=quitting=good. End of discussion.
    .
    The others had a pretty good response and participation. Along the way, I found out that some faithful contributors here are falling on hard times and I feel for them.
    .
    This thread turned into more or less a free-for-all on the pitiful state of the DC media and its obsession with “fluff”. A perfect chance for many of us to let off some steam.
    .
    I think the quality will pick up with postings with a little more meat in them. The Summit wasn’t really one of those stories. The aftermath was a number of commentaries on who bested who on optics and who came out ahead on debating points, NOT about concrete accomplishments.
    .
    We’ll see what ACTUALLY gets done. We’ve been given a lot of spin before.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    I’m not criticizing the post, though I personally am disinterested in it’s content. I’m simply observing the high number of comments whose central theme is essentially “this is a bullsh*t, distracting post.” If that’s the sentiment, then why even post anything on the thread, go elsewhere, as I usually do and find a more stimulating thread, such as JK’s latest report on housing in Jerusalem. Though, I’d advise steering clear of Klein’s health-care thread, that one is awash in some weird,vitriolic cyberroots campaign to smear JK and all you “self-aggrandizing liberals.” It’s truly quite remarkable, the near uniformity of all the petulance, even spread among dozens of monikers. As afguy remarked, it would appear RedState put out a homework assignment to flood the Swamp.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    That was in response to Stuart. I just read your reply, afguy. I get your point, especially in respect to the health-care thread. I saw your post in there about the homework assignment. It’s not currently getting nice reviews, I can assure you :)

  • sacredh

    The more inane the thread, the more at home I feel. I’m just a little tempted to go trolling on some right wing threads just for the hell of it.

  • sacredh

    Holy Cow! It’s trollapalooza over on Joe K’s Healthcare Summit thread. I’m sorry for my post over there. I couldn’t resist. I had to post something offensive and now I’m heading off to bed. Hopefully, they’ll write some interesting attacks that I can read with my morning coffee. Goodnight folks.

  • http://jpaultel.wordpress.com jpaultel

    After reading almost every post here and Michael Schrer’s blog and Sally Quinn’s writings, I am beginning to wonder if after all, I can be disabused of the notion that the so called “Belt Way” culture is decidedly harmful to human health. Could I have accidentally stumbled on why every senator is resigning and the president is sick to his stomach? Many presidents have been known to be stricken with premature greying and several who were pressed into service in the “Belt Way” have been know to eventually develop infarctus. Here is my challenge to visitors and frequent users: Point out any post (there are 25 or so) here that is positive, that augurs well for a healthy soceity or a healthy nation’s capital or to an elitist Village? I will burden you with the concerns of we pronvincial nobodies. Everyone here seems to respond to Michael Scherer and each other with a mouthful of the same poison made of the same ingredients as what Sally Quinn carries often in her mouth and what she spits regularly at people she disagrees with, the same venom she spits at members of her family and Desiree Rogers.

    Ms. Rogers always seemed to me as a nice person. I have never read of an angry word from her to anyone; Instead, I have seen her smiling and being positive and optimistic on how she wanted her fellow citizens and other visitors alike to see the White House. She has always been an example of good decorum; always stopping to respond politely to inquiring journalists. I was feeling bad that she had to leave. I now think her’s might be the most rational and sane act. Ms. Rogers, please go… Go, before their venom burns through your flesh and poisons you for ever. Please go! Best wishes to you. Adieu!

  • apr2563

    I couldn’t make it through many of the comments of the JK thread. It seems as though Drudge let loose the hounds of hell.
    This is the 2nd time this has happened on a JK posting. HMMM.

  • sevenoaks07

    Just let me know when and I will do the same. Popcorn not allowed by our resident Dictator but cheese and biscuits will be available.

  • 53_3

    No worries, sacred on the “hounds of hell” being loosed.
    .
    Chile just had a megaquake. Big ol’ subduction thing.
    .
    I’m waiting for Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh to chip in with how they deserve their fate for some reason or another.
    .
    Oh, wait. I forgot.
    .
    Chileans are not dark enough to warrant such treatment from the crackhead right…

  • freeinpa

    IQ53

    Well its good to see the left back to the playbook- Time for the race card to get the mental midgets of the left going so they stop eating their young (Quinn & Rodgers)

  • sacredh

    I’m over on JK’s thread now as a minister. I’ve got em’ going pretty good. I have to go out with the snowblower for awhile but I’m going to go back when I’m done and spread some more of the “word”. They’re calling me names. Oh, verily, my wrath shall f**k them up when the driveway is clear.

  • Ivy_B

    Can there really be so many different people with Swampland ids who only appear to scream at a Joe post? They are consistently posting at the rate of one a minute. The level of Obama hate is almost equal to the contempt for Joe. Some many different names. How long does it take to create a new Swamp id?

  • Ivy_B

    Ah, I’ll bet there are a group of people who have multiple ids already set up. I thought ids were related to specific computer, but maybe that was the old days When I posted my last comment, I got a message telling me it was a duplicate comment – looks as though you’ve already said that.

    That was new.

  • constantweader

    If I didn’t think the laxity in White House security endangered the First Family (& in this case, also the Indian PM & his wife), the whole Crashergate thing would have been worth it to me just to find out the WH social secretary was the millenial Zulu queen. And she looked mahvelous, darling.

    The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com

  • 53_3

    Well what does your God Rush Limbaugh say about it, freeinpa?
    .
    I’m only making observations, freeinpa. Do you need a “get out of jail free” card every time one of your peers puts their foot in their mouth, like with the Haiti quake?
    .
    Are you going to tell me that what Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh said during that disaster didn’t actually happen?
    .
    Good luck with that.
    .
    I mean, I could suggest you get your cues from the horses at the sources, but I see you’ve elected to go the Golden Calf route…

  • 53_3

    I saw you over there, sacred. I tried shoveling some of the water, but my shovel just wasn’t big enough.
    .
    I’ve given up. If I were you, I’d wear hip waders, rubber gloves, and a bacterial mask.
    .
    If there ever was a Hades specially built by God for the phylum Arthropoda, that is it…

  • 53_3

    Wow, thanks afguy!
    .
    One can venture away from the swamp, but just like any of the other early tetrapods here, one can’t completely quit it!

  • 53_3

    kbanger:
    .
    I’m thinking that hair is destined for the pimp car trade.
    .
    After all, mine is top-of-the-line, with car seats woven from the pu$$y hairs of the finest Nubian virgins…
    .
    (my apologies to the women out there, commentary intended to denigrate the attitude of the sex trade, not women!)

  • afguy

    Guys: went back over to the “cancer-ridden” thread and noted a few of you brave souls went over and participated. Well done!
    .
    Extra points for the “Tag Team Troll-bating” I observed.
    .
    Someone must have linked to that particular posting to attract them. The “infection” seems to be localized to that…

  • afguy

    Now, having been over there, what bacterial soap do you recommend for decontamination?
    .
    I feel like I need a show/bath/severe scrubbing…

  • 53_3

    Pretty nasty over there. I left them a love note, too.
    .
    I think only bleach will able to take that stain out of that particular blue dress…

  • Ivy_B

    Isn’t it interesting that they never seem to figure out how to get to any other post than the one linked by Drudge or Newsbusters? Although thank goodness they don’t – if there were that sort of vitriol on every post, I’d be gone.

  • 53_3

    One of them had the cast iron gonads to decry the “adolescent bullying” while participating in it his/her own self.
    .
    Self awareness and empathy are not their strong suits, I think, Ivy..

  • afguy

    Just had a thought – was THIS supposed to be the thread to tide us over for the weekend?
    .
    If NOT, post some MEEAAAT for us, eh KT et al?

  • 53_3

    This is actually one of those hazmet trailers. We are all over here because we need a place to clean up after doing serious work decontaminating the JK thread, which incidentally, is going badly.
    .
    They seem to have completely infested JK’s thread. I think the only option now is to have it nuked.

  • sacredh

    Good Grief! It’s only page 15 and nearing 600 posts. Btw, thanks to everyone for not blowing the whistle on my “ministry”. I’m waiting on just the right post to unleash.
    .
    A special thanks to 53_3, Ivy_B and pintortwo.

  • sacredh

    afguy: It has been a hoot over there. 53_3 has been setting me up perfectly. If I had any class at all I’d be ashamed of myself.

  • afguy

    sacredh,
    .
    Are you trying for a “China Syndrome”-type meltdown on that thread?
    .
    It’s REALLY close to “critical mass” already…

  • freeinpa

    IQ53

    I see you still test positive for stupid.

    You are the master of trend line idiocy. You take what 1 or 2 comments by a couple of folks and extrapolate that to every conservative. Using that logic you are the intellectual equivalent of race baiter hate monger Olbermann and Schultz. Devoid of intellect long on name calling. You are the mirror image of Rush whom you hate and denigrate.

    Self Flagellation is in order I guess.

  • afguy

    “Yard full of rabid dogs” comes to mind. The equivalent sound level would be deafening.

  • 53_3

    And you still test postivie for ignorance, freeinpa.
    .
    Nezt thing you know, you’ll deny you are a Republican, never listen to Rush Limbaugh, and that, God forbid, hold your breath:
    .
    You voted for Obama in the last election!
    .
    Besides the “I have black friends” gambit, just where have I heard this one before.
    .
    Still, for someone with all those wonderful attributes, freeinpa, you havn’t rebutted a word I said.

  • sacredh

    afguy: It just passed 600. I will admit to stirring the pot a little. Some guy on page 11 told me shove it up the “tan track” and I accused him of trying to hit on me. I am about ready to give it up over there, but not just yet.

  • 53_3

    Whew. What a wormslog. It’s just nasty over there.
    .
    Sacred’s been spreading the word. Only problem is that God’s Dog is waiting to fetch ‘em as sacred picks ‘em off but he’s still just sitting there on His Haunches*, panting, with his tongue hanging out…
    .
    *I’m being reverant. Believe me. Only God’s Dog would leave one of those old molded foam rubber balls in orbit around Saturn. If you look at the pic of Iapetus, you’ll see that it was buried for quite a while before He put it there!

  • 53_3
  • 53_3

    BTW, freeinpa, those are dinoflagellates

  • freeinpa

    IQ53

    No please tell me about your ties to the black community and how nobody but you knows. Geez I have heard that crap before form you. You are still a stupid ignorant race baiter with little to offer but name callling.

    And No I never voted for Obama remember you are the one with an IQ of 53 not me. Why don’t you tell me now about global warming and all the science you know.

  • afguy

    sacredh: FINALLY found it – it’s now on page 12.
    .
    oldfloyd is a “special” case. I think you may have found your beer-drinking, hairy-bellied model for the commercial we discussed the other day…

  • apr2563

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/st_20100227_4350.php
    Not my usual hangout but linked by Daily Dish.
    Interesting article conjecturing the right was like Goldwater and Rockefeller getting in a fight and Wallace won.
    I think it kind of sums up what is shown in the JK thread, with racism thrown in.
    I commented on the thread a couple of times but quit because it is not healthy in there. Also, it is like stirring up the worker bees. I decided to let them rant to each other.
    Just wish the powers that be could take the thread down. Tired of deleting.

  • 53_3

    Well, freeinpa, like I’ve said many times before, when you want to know about Italians, go ask someone from Italy.
    .
    Now, I venture that even you could draw the line from A to B.
    .
    Or not…

  • 53_3

    Looks like you’ve oh-ferred again freeinpa.
    .
    Keep that ignorance pumping…

  • afguy

    sacredh & 53_3,
    .
    I noticed. sacredh as the fiery televangelist/snake oil salesman and 53_3 as his faithful minion, roaming the aisles of the arena looking for souls who need saving/healing/to have their wallets relieved of their burden of extra cash.
    .
    It’s been a pleasure to watch… hope the rubber gloves don’t spring a leak, though. REALLY toxic there now.

  • 53_3

    slogging in poo is starting to get old…

  • 3xfire3

    So this is where all you Liberals are hiding.
    I know I said I wasn’t going to post anymore, but after reading some of the 632 comments and counting on JK’s article on the Summit, I just had to ask. How does it feel to find out that you really are a very small minority in our country?
    You really should take the time to read some of the comments to JK article. You will find out how the vast majority of Americans feel about liberalism and how really intelligent they are.
    Happy reading.

  • 53_3

    I think what we have here is the digital version of a “gawkers’ block” by a serious accident on your local freeway.

  • 53_3

    No, that is a bunch of drudgebots. You are a long, long, loooong way from being able to extrapolate that into a “…vast majority…”.
    .
    Unless, of course, it’s in the FOXworld sense.
    .
    BTW, you should be ashamed of yourself, buying into propaganda like that. It’s un-American…

  • afguy

    You really should take the time to read some of the comments to JK article. You will find out how the vast majority of Americans feel about liberalism and how really intelligent they are.
    .
    Oh, we did, 3x. we truly did. We’ve been having a discussion about all the “intelligence” in evidence over there…
    .
    Tell you what. Take a towel, roll it up and stuff it in your commode. Now, take a really nasty “dump” and TRY to flush it. Now, look at your bathroom floor.
    .
    That’s what that thread looks like right now. And pretty indicative of the quality of the discussion.

  • 53_3

    And so, mr “let’s be civil” 3xfire3, you overlook the 480 or so “intelligent” responses by your compatriots to point a finger at the 100 (maybe less) responses by those who don’t buy into the FOXworld propaganda machine?
    .
    I have a suggestion, 3xfire3:
    .
    Why don’t you stick your finger, and the barrel of your own gun, up your own arse, and take back America that way?

  • formerlyjames

    3xfire3, you are proud of that thread? That is what you want the Swamp to become? If it does, I’ll be gone and should help make your day. But, wouldn’t it be a little boring reading pointless tirades that offer you nothing other than agreeable comradeship?

  • afguy

    Yeah, that thread is NOT what I would call “awash in self-awareness”.
    .
    The “irony index”, however, is OFF THE SCALE!

  • apr2563

    3x if I actually thought the commentators were the majority in this country, I would be proud to be part of the minority.
    However, I wouldn’t ever think that the majority of this country was as hateful and ignorant as those posters.
    I am sorry you consider yourself one of them. I bet you are a Christianist too. Your soul must be a dark place.

  • afguy

    53_3: I would imagine so. Nice to have you back to help, though…

  • 53_3

    It is truly berserk over there. Not a bit of intelligence in the lot, and more than a little recreational fear-mongering to boot.

  • kbanginmotown

    Hey guys,
    Just got back in and I’m ROTFLMAO just reading *this* thread (meta-thread?) about the JK thread!
    .
    This is absolutely *brilliant*! A hide-out thread for when the sh*t gets to deep elsewhere…gotta love it!
    .
    Well, I’ve got about 30min to kill…here goes…::gulps air::

  • 53_3

    It is a meta thread for sure. JK just cracked the 700 mark. Feral animals galore. Fetid foul air and attitudes to match.
    .
    Make sure you have a strong stomach…

  • afguy

    Given the “industrial-strength” paranoia that exists with that bunch over there, anyone know a really good way to get them to turn on each other?
    .
    With a paranoid, EVERYONE is a potential enemy. It’s only a matter of time before they start to find things they don’t like or trust about each other.
    .
    For example, when conservative A’s neighborhood starts to get more street repair attention than conservative B’s as a result of limited tax dollars for same…

  • 53_3

    Good idea, afguy.
    .
    I’ll think on it tonight and if they are still frothing at the mouth, maybe we can sow some dissent within the ranks.
    .
    Sacred??

  • afguy

    Maybe we can convince oldfloyd that robinwebnest hid a “commie” under his bed (or in his gun cabinet, ready to steal them) when he wasn’t looking…
    .
    Don’t see THAT being much of a task, actually… oldfloyd is a grenade that SOMEONE already pulled the pin on.

  • afguy

    …if they are still frothing at the mouth,…
    .
    53_3: you have doubts?? Chernobly was more stable AFTER the accident than that crowd over there…

  • afguy

    Sorry… “fat-finger” attack. That’s Chernobyl.

  • kbanginmotown

    ::shudder::
    .
    I’m back. Wow. You’re right, 53, whatta stinkfest.
    .
    I seem to recall Joe breaking 1200 comments a couple a years ago when he called Drudge an @ss and the minions came calling. As of 3:50, the link is still on drudge, so we’re on track to break 1K, I’d guess.
    .
    Just…wow.

  • afguy

    Just be careful, guys… good people died to stabilize the Chernobyl “meltdown”… don’t want you two to be MIA in the JK “Health Care Summit” thread. Same level of danger.

  • afguy

    53_3,
    .
    You may be right. The “froth” on that thread seems to have died off a bit…

  • Paul-no not that one

    700+posts? All new friends or is spob or The Physician leading the charge?

    I don’t want to look.

  • sacredh

    I’ve been stirring the pot all day over there. I’m a minister now. I told someone to “f**K off” earlier because I had to run to the store, but I did what I had to do when i got back. I blamed it on my son who is now busily polishing the pews in my church after i threw away his cd collection.

  • sacredh

    It looks like all new people. Pretty much with the same viewpoint too.

  • Ivy_B

    One of the things I find interesting is that most of them post once and they’re gone. There have been some repeaters and some that have responded to sacred and 53′s jabs, but particularly when they were in the first frothing it seemed to be one and done.

  • sacredh

    Ivy_B: There are a hardcore few that aren’t giving it up. I just posted about a woman’s place is to serve her husband and obey him. I also mentioned that I was kind to my wife and didn’t beat her even when she deserves it. If my my wife ever saw that I would be hurting and getting medical treatment.

  • sacredh

    I never thought I’d see the day when I could troll Swampland and get away it. I think I hate the me that is over there.

  • 3xfire3

    Swampers,
    Let’s put the politics aside for just a moment.
    You have to agree that Joe Klein deservers everything he’s getting. The article he posted is as bad of a job of reporting as it gets. Whichever side you support of HCR you got to admit we all deserve better work than this from a supposed reporter.
    I don’t think JK is a good reporter from either a liberal or conservative view. He’s just bad. Sad thing is he’s such an arrogant elitist he thinks he knows more than either liberals or conservatives. He really doesn’t have a clue.

  • afguy

    Yeah, I ALMOST fell guilty about what we’re doing there… almost.
    .
    Not quite… but almost.

  • afguy

    sacred,
    .
    Go take a look about what I had to say about your MIL.
    .
    I should get into writing… esp. fiction.

  • Ivy_B

    Uh, afguy that would be Ms. Ivy_B. I would be emulating Mrs. sacred instead of himself!

  • afguy

    Gotcha. I forgot . I DID know that.

    A question – how think can we lay it on before the “light bulb” comes on over there?
    .
    sacred,
    .
    I’m the guy asleep on the back pew, drooling down his chin… more or less unshaven, I might add.

  • Ivy_B

    I’m signing off for the evening, but no, I don’t agree that Joe deserves the sort of mindless attack he is getting over there. This was a blog post – an opinion – not an article for the magazine. Joe has done some sloppy reporting in the past and has been called on it with facts, not frothing. The majority of those comments have nothing to say, but name calling. They are very different from most of the posters here.
    .
    During the primaries I was one of the few that was a Hillary person until the end. I had no problem staying here and feeling comfortable and preferred it to some of the sites that were very pro-Hillary. Many of those sites were more like the commenters on the Joe thread and I much prefer the fact based style of Swampland. Everyone is comfortable being asked to support statements here.

  • afguy

    “How thick can we lay it on”

  • sacredh

    afguy: I did read and respond to it. You’re a member of my flock now btw.
    .
    Ivy_B: Thanks for playing along too.
    .
    I have to admit that I’m about ready to quit. Before I came to the Swamp I also used to troll the right wing sites, but as a very conservative minister. I actually got an invitation to speak at another minister’s church even though I was trying to come across like a Nazi. That scared me enough that I quit and didn’t do it again.

  • Ivy_B

    To prove my point, I just copied the last comment.

    Obama, unflappable? My foot! As real solutions, read SOLUTIONS, were given, he resorted to his typical condescending and arrogant mannerisms, often, no not often, almost always cutting off the GOP, which I never once remember him doing to the Dems. He is definitely boorish on every turn. Of course, all Harry Reid, who appears to be nothing more or less than an idiot, couldn’t offer more than one more stupid anecdotal sob story of another Latin American (illegal? who knows), Jesus I believe his name was, and call the real solutions presented as “talking points”. Nancy Pelosi? I don’t think she’s capable of stringing together a coherent sentence in one awake cycle. The great thing is now that it’s on record for all the world to see, it’s going to tank. No, Klein, Obama didn’t win. He’s a set in stone ideologue, and he is not bending. He had, nor has, any intention of conceding, but, we are the people, and he is not going to run over us. He is trying to act like a President, but he can’t get his lines right. He is so far out of his league, but it makes for good fodder for all the world to see. What an amateur.

    .
    If this were the same position I held, but had no more substance than shown here, I wouldn’t be here long.
    .
    Now I am going to get dinner!

  • sacredh

    The caps lady is a little on the scary side. Maybe just a little bit too unstable to keep pushing. I’m not sure that we could lay it on any thicker than we already have without becoming an obvious parody.
    .
    It already looks like an obvious parody to me but they seem like they’re buying it.

  • stuartzechman

    I don’t think JK is a good reporter from either a liberal or conservative view. He’s just bad. Sad thing is he’s such an arrogant elitist he thinks he knows more than either liberals or conservatives.
    .
    That’s completely accurate.

  • afguy

    Not a good commentary on the collective IQ there, is it?

  • afguy

    Like the “Onion” or “Mad Magazine” – you’re pretty sure your leg is being pulled but just can’t quite put your finger on it as to how…

  • sacredh

    kbang’s right. It’s surreal to have a hideout thread and rendezvous back here like snipers going for a safe haven. That thread was fun but I wish they’d just leave. Of course we’re not doing ourselves any favors by going over there and poking them with a stick.
    .
    One more quick trip and I’m letting them go. At least till morning.

  • afguy

    sacredh,
    .
    Read your last post on “Thread-zilla” and the response to it.
    .
    Either they still haven’t got a clue about the parody or robinswebnest is getting as good as we are at dishing it out.
    .
    If he/she happened to get over here on the “alter-thread”, she may have caught on – but I’m thinking he/she thinks you’re the self-righteous religious reprobate you are pretending to be.
    .
    ‘Way to go, my man!

  • gingerpye

    sacredh,
    .
    I hope I didn’t blow your cover. I posted over there about 30 minutes ago about how funny you’d been. It looked like things had quieted down enough to congratulate you and your compatriots. I didn’t know y’all were hiding out on this thread.
    .
    What a nasty world those people live in.

  • afguy

    sacredh,
    .
    Your cover’s blown! One of the regular Swampland readers called you out for convincing the trolls that you were a minister.

  • afguy

    gingerpye,
    .
    sacredh will have to answer for himself but it’s OK by me. We decided to take advantage of the galloping paranoia flowing over there to see how long we could call them on their “contradictions”. I just think that, sooner or later, they will start to turn on each other. Paranoids don’t really trust ANYONE else.
    .
    About all I could see happening is that they just sat back and kept their mouths shut. I imagine it was like reading the “Onion” – you just “know” that they’re making fun of you somehow but can’t seem to formulate a response without looking like a real “bonehead”.
    .
    You’re right, though – some of them shouldn’t be allowed out in polite company.

  • 3xfire3

    Ivy_B,
    I actually watched the entire 7 1/2 hours of the summit. From a conservative’s point of view, I can see how this individual wrote what he believes he actually saw. Nothing he said was over the top from a conservative point of view of what went on.
    Now as a liberal saw the same 7 ½ hours, they would from their liberal view see a totally different situation. Both could sincerely believe their own image of the summit. Neither lied. They just honestly have different views based on their personal beliefs and references.
    I’m actually surprised that you thought this particular post was an example of an over the top comment. There would be much better examples of over the top posts, but they are a minority of the comments from a conservative point of view.

  • afguy

    sacredh,
    .
    Ms. AllCaps responded to what we said, just not as a “reply to”.
    .
    If anything , the follow-up was even more incoherent than the original post by her. And LOUDER…
    .
    “Scary” is a pretty good descriptive… she need to be seriously medicated.

  • formerlyjames

    That is staggering over on that thread. I have to confess that before today, I knew of Drudge but had never been to the site or knew more than that he was a right wing sweetheart. So…I never bothered. This has shaken me up for concern for the Swamp. These rants do not even come close to what I am used to here. There are no facts, no links, no exchange, no dialogue, only free floating, mindless anger. It is frightful. I am happy to see all of regular right wingers here. Rusty, 3x, freepa, any others. This is beyond that. This is nuclear crazy. I have even taken to curse Klein for inciting that hyperlink on the Drudge Report and bringing every nut case in America out of the cracks they reside in.
    …..
    They do seem to be territorial and remain on that thread. Hopefully, they don’t realize that there are other places on the Swamp to visit. I hope they go away and everything returns to normal. If they infiltrate the whole Swamp, I will miss all of you, because I won’t waste time with such nonsense.

  • afguy

    Picture QH with the brakes off… and ABSOLUTELY NO coherent thought. Darth Vader after the completion of the Journey…

  • kevin

    Jesus Christ, who let all the loons in over there? What a bunch of f*cking nutjobs.

  • kevin

    Someone over there keeps talking about “the Demos” … just like freeinpa does.

  • sacredh

    gingerpye, I’m with afguy. It’s more than fine if our cover got blown. It was fun for a while and now it’s just disturbing.
    .
    afguy: Your comment made me laugh out loud. “shouldn’t be allowed out in polite company”. My wife said that to me this morning. I still have the mohawk. She was so p!ssed last night that I wasn’t letting her anywhere near my head with something sharp. I went to the store this morning and she made me wear a toboggan.

  • kevin

    How does it feel to find out that you really are a very small minority in our country?
    .
    Yes, because as we all know, the most accurate representation of the nation’s opinion is the comment thread for a blog post.

  • afguy

    sacredh,
    .
    Then, by all means, hope that she didn’t read some of the comments that you made over on Franken-thread this afternoon.
    .
    Otherwise, sleep with one eye open tonight…

  • sacredh

    afguy: I’m safe. My wife only gets on the computer once in a blue moon. I hate to admit this, but I like the mohawk. I looked like a redneck cop before, but now I look like a crazy redneck cop/biker on crack. I took the toboggan off as soon as I got in the truck. When I walked into the store one of the checkout ladies started laughing and asked me if I’d lost a bet.
    .
    My wife is going to take care of it tomorrow. I promised to take her to Red Lobster if there wasn’t any blood.

  • afguy

    formerly,
    .
    I think I finally came up with a word to describe the posters over on the “Healthcare Summit” thread.
    .
    Orks – those mindless entities from the “Lord of the Rings” who were created simply to kill and hate without thinking.
    .
    I think that very accurately describes the Drudge denizens we have seen over there. Single-minded, unquestioning hatred of anything or anyone they consider “liberal”, “socialist”, “fascist”, or a “commie”, without even knowing or caring what the terms really mean.
    .
    They simply assign the meanings that they have been told to.

  • sacredh

    It was 838 and still climbing just a couple of minutes ago. Between all the caps, bwahahahahahahaha’s, name calling and wait until November comments, I’m starting to think our water supply has been compromised and that we’ve suffered massive casualities. I’ve never been to drudge so I don’t know…but are they really that bad over there on a regular basis?

  • sacredh

    I may never preach again.

  • sacredh

    btw gingerpye, thank you for the compliment about us being funny. I do think we did a pretty good job. And just for the record, my son swears less than I do and has never been arrested. He’s still young (24) so I haven’t given up hope yet.

  • afguy

    I’ve heard RedState is a real “cess pool” and they won’t even let “lib” posters keep their comments up.
    .
    Suspect Drudge is just more of the same.

  • stuartzechman

    Sometimes RedState won’t even let Ron Paul supporters comment.

  • carotexas1

    Wow, Catherine of the CAPS was a little scary.
    I braved having a look because Sacred said he was posting. I enjoyed your posts sacred, Ivy and afguy.
    Loved the mention of sacred MIL.

    I really do not think they have any attention span and that is why they hit and run. I am starting to feel sorry for Rusty, no wonder he came here to post.

  • grape_crush

    It’s a typical blogstorm, somewhat full of semi-and fully-deranged right-wing free association. It will subside with time, and the rustynuterrs that linger will chortle and crow about how many comments they had, as if pure volume alone makes for being right.

    Me, I just like going in and poking them with a stick just to see if we can get the comment count over a grand….

  • 3xfire3

    apr2563,
    “3x if I actually thought the commentators were the majority in this country, I would be proud to be part of the minority.
    However, I wouldn’t ever think that the majority of this country was as hateful and ignorant as those posters.
    I am sorry you consider yourself one of them. I bet you are a Christianist too. Your soul must be a dark place”
    I actually do not see any hate or ignorance in a majority of the comments on JK’s article.
    I believe you probably do not see the hate and ignorance that I see on the part of so many Liberals. We could both pull out a couple of examples to support our positions but that doesn’t tell the whole story.
    I’m sure some swampers will do this which misses the actual point we should be trying to understand.
    Truth is in the eye of the beholder.
    I don’t understand why so many liberals believe that anyone who honestly hold views that are different then theirs or disagree with President Obama’s policies is therefore hateful, a racist or ignorant.
    If you had the intelligence you seem to think you do your mind would be open to the views of others who disagree with you and you would realize that as Americans they have a right to their own views without being demonized.
    In answer to your question I am a Christian.
    If you are truly a Christian you would know that Jesus said we should not judge others. You seem to do that a lot.

  • grape_crush

    I actually do not see any hate or ignorance in a majority of the comments on JK’s article.
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    You, ah, must have a different threshold for considering something hateful or ignorant than normal people do.
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    This just in: Joe’s article is like articles that praised Hitler (or something like that).

  • 53_3

    Where is piratewench when you need her.
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    Damn…

  • 53_3

    I think, 3xfire3, you can’t claim to really be a Christian. You are basically shamming it because on the surface, there is a problem with the hate your peers spew and there of course is the tiny matter of the Ten Commandments.
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    I would seriously look into this problem. God’s name doesn’t end with a ‘p’ you know…

  • 53_3

    “…If you are truly a Christian you would know that Jesus said we should not judge others.”
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    Another serious slipup here, 3xfire3. That’s one of the Ten Commandments, too, and it is truly astonishing just how much judging is going on on the part of your peers.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Now I hope you all have a clearer picture of what a right-winger is -exemplified by the grotesque puddle of vulgarity on JK’s thread- as opposed to a conservative or libertarian. Don’t take us for granted, dammit!

  • apr2563

    3x: I read about 300 of the comments on the JK thread. There was a reason I stopped trying to read Free Republic. The posters were insane and I always felt kind of dirty when I left. I manage to read NRO about 2x a week and a few Conservative columnists. It is not always easy, but I like to learn there point of view. I even enjoy some of the Conservatives that post here.
    Now Swampland has its share of snark, but posters try to bring facts and links to the discussion. What is happening at JK’s thread is straight from FOX, Prager, hate radio, Power Line, their version of Ayn Rand, and right wing invective.
    A few descriptions of Obama:
    Smooth lyin’ dandy
    Bloodsucking
    Predatory humanitarian (whatever that means)
    Arab American President.
    Incompetent
    The ever popular arrogant
    Wannabe dictator
    Narcissist
    Chicago thug
    Condescending parrot?
    Boorish
    Muslim pig, pig barry, horrible pig, lying pig
    Commie, Marxist, just like Hitler
    Oh bummer, wish him ill
    Now, what bothers me is that no one on the right seems willing to say this is inappropriate. During the teaparty rallies horrible things are said, and a very few Republicans will disavow those sentiments. Instead they seem to foment them.
    After the HCR meeting, Rush said that the plan was a reparations program. Who on the right condemned that statement? He and others made fun of the “sob stories” told at the meeting. Where is the outrage of people making fun of regular peoples problems?
    So between the feigned hysterical indications of laughter and the shouting caps posts, the lack of facts and links, I found little of value.

  • sacredh

    OK. Point made.
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    Yesterday I looked into the abyss…and it called me names.

  • 3xfire3

    I have been reading a random sampling of the posts. Most are simply saying that they disagree with JK and they are against the democrat’s version of HCR and the President’s policies. Some obviously disagree with liberalism and say wait till November.
    Why do you liberals think this is hateful?
    Please don’t come back with a cherry picked example. Just answer the question.
    Stuart I would be interested in your answer to the question also.

  • kbanginmotown

    Mornin’ folks. I’m off to to review the carnage in “The Eternal Hatefest of the Wingnut Mind.”
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    Looks like Drudge dropped his link, so the thread will probably stall < 1K, still not bad for Klein.
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    Fun while it lasted, but I'm glad these only happen every couple of years or so…

  • kbanginmotown

    sacred: Amen, brother!

  • kevin

    Read the post above. Exiled is far from a liberal, but he too sees those comments as a “grotesque puddle of vulgarity.”

  • sacredh

    Thank God that sludgefest is burning itself out. It was Haiti, Katrina. a train wreck and a drunken frat party all combined into one disater and dipped in sh!t.

  • Ivy_B

    As I tried to point out yesterday, the posts are all name calling with no facts. One of the people who was obsessed with Ryan never posted any factual statements to support his position just ranted about the terrible deficit – as though it began in January 2009. One of our regulars pointed out that there were some solutions – cutback on wasteful military spending, taxes, eliminate some waste in the system – but his response was just la, la, la – Ryan says we have this terrible, horrible deficit and we must not raise taxes.
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    Maybe we could just let the unfunded Bush tax cuts expire? I know there were a few conservatives who were complaining when we were racking up the borrow and spend machine in the last few years, but this mob was silent.
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    As kevin said, Exiled is far from a liberal. He is a reasonable, thoughtful commenter here whose posts I always read. Those posting on Joe’s thread have nothing in common with him.

  • 53_3

    I will add, without any varnish whatsoever, this naked truth:
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    If conservatives do not like the perception that they are hateful and bigoted, it is their responsibility, and NOT ours, to tell their peers to S T F U.
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    Don’t come crying about how you are percieved until you (conservaties in general) have done exactly that.
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    It is not our f*ing problem!

  • sacredh

    I had some fun over there yesterday but when all the dust has settled it still comes down to some seriously disturbed crack pots congregating like lemmings and jumping off a cliff. That thread wasn’t an example of the vast majority of Americans. It was an example of rabid fanatics taking over the asylum and trashing the place. As Exiled noted upthread, real conservatives and libertarians shouldn’t be lumped in with those people. It’s insulting to them and a disservice to those with an honest difference of opinion.

  • Ivy_B

    Frank Rich’s column today contrasts the GOP and the Tea Party. The kind of fanatcism we have seen is well described.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/opinion/28rich.html?ref=opinion

  • sacredh

    Ivy_B: I didn’t see your post before I posted mine, but I think we’re on the same page. Exiled and apollyon07 are just as disgusted with those people as we are. I would be just as outraged if Cindy Sheehan, Code Pink and other fringe groups were lumped in with us.

  • sacredh

    I will say that our fringe groups seem to be one hell of a lot smaller though.

  • 53_3

    I know, sacred, and I know Exiled’s complaint too.
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    I don’t lump Exiled in with them, nor Appollyon07 and a few others.
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    The problem is, none of them, without exception, are willing to put the blame, and make the effort, to complain to those who are really the ones causing the problem.
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    I’ve never attacked Exiled or the others, but what I have done is made it clear that it is not my problem. If they want that perception to end, they need to confront those who further that perception.

  • 53_3

    FYI, was just over there and I poked a few of them with sticks.
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    Smelly, but fun…

  • sacredh

    Heaven help me! I’m just curious enough to go over there and see.

  • 53_3

    To elaborate, if conservatives were willing to stand up to their peers, like the very, very good citizens of John Day, Oregon did the other day, conservatives would not have to contend with it.
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    When I saw that on the news yesterday, I thought to myself:
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    Now this is real America. Now, however, how about taking that energy and using it to tell their peers to STFU?

  • lcky9

    I find it funny.. had the people that got into the Presidents party not been safe the WHOLE outlook on this would have been different.. and now she GRACEFULLY EXITS? I think there’s to much lead in the water in Washington.. and WAY to much grand standing to get their faces on the front page of the news..

  • apr2563

    3x see 44.5

  • thrasherman

    I am upset the Obama machine dumped DR…Why?

  • apr2563

    3x see 44.5. Have you gone to the JK post to state you disagreement with the more vile postings?

  • kbanginmotown

    Hey JC: Business, as usual. Get to see Seoul in March. Usually it’s January, last year was June (kinda nice). I’m looking forward to Korea in springtime.

  • sacredh

    Thanks carotexas1, that was a pretty good group effort. Thankfully it’s about dead now. I don’t really give a rat’s ass about any of the wing nuts over there, but I did wonder if the caps lady had kids and where they hid when she got going.

  • sacredh

    Fix yourself a sandwich! Mommy’s busy SCREAMING right now!

  • afguy

    Went back to look at the “Thread from Hades” this evening and noted that they were finally over 1000.
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    So I picked out a couple of the more obnoxious morons (oldfloyd and donbliss) and unloaded on them.

  • sacredh

    afguy: I went over last night and posted a few more insults myself before giving it up. I was just posting crap to try to get some responses. I said that I was on workers comp and hadn’t worked a day in almost 30 years.
    .
    On a semi-related note, I’ve shoveled so much snow both at home and at work this winter that both my shoulders and upper arms have noticeably bulked up. Some of my shirts and sweaters are a little snug now. I was out yesterday shoveling and my wife was watching from a window. When I came back in she said the shovel was practically flying. I am so sick of all this snow.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    53_3~
    ~
    Welcome back. With that said, though, I see you are still stuck on the same canard about extreme right-wingers being my problem, or other moderate conservatives’ problem. I beg to differ. For one thing, I’m really getting tired of this labeling infatuation. This country is not simply a liberal/conservative polarization, though that’s the narrative being pushed. Ideological perspectives range on a vast continuum, and this of course does not even speak to the significant single-issue population. Because I am right of center in no way makes me responsible for or beholden to those either left or right of me, especially not those so far to the right that they have tipped over the edge and into the abyss of reflexive insanity. I’m accountable for my views, nothing more, nothing less. Despite all of that, though, I must say that I do take extremist right-wingers to task. I frequently knock heads with Rusty and Spob. I pretty much wrote off Textee, 2Thirds, and others, though I still ridicule them from time to time. I consistenly rebuke mindless defenders of Israel, as well as defend the premise of universal healthcare (which the current bill most assuredly is not). When I disagree with someone, I let them know, regardless of their factional affiliation or ideological, philosophical perspectives.

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