Thoughts On Broken Government–Beyond Boobs And Ballots

This theme—the government is broken, frozen, incapacitated, petty, pathetic—is everywhere. TIME and CNN have even made it a week-long theme. Newsweek’s Jon Meacham, in typical mahogany-paneled erudition, devotes his weekly column to assuring his readers that history has seen even worse. A new poll shows that 86 percent of Americans think the thesis “government is broken” is true. Perhaps more remarkably, that number is only 8 points higher than it was two years ago. In other words, the breakdown is not new in the public eye. It is a lasting condition. During the 2008 election cycle, such stasis could easily be understood as a Republican failure, an idea that rocketed Barack Obama to the White House. But Obama has proven in his first year in office—with historic Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress—that the condition transcended George W. Bush’s penchant for preemptive war and peanut butter sandwiches.

The proper pose for reporters like me at a moment like this is to adjust like a politician, positioning myself outside the political maw to rail, with a bit of populist fervor, against the rottenness of the system. This is not hard. The system is rotten with hypocrisy and self-dealing. It has been for a while, and in some ways it has gotten worse. But railing against the machine, even if done with more fealty to facts than your typical political stump speech, is not in itself a solution.

The second pose for reporters is to keep track of the bouncing ball, trying to referee the spectacle of elected officials in their panic, as they behave in more and more craven ways with midterms approaching. Obama stages a summit under the banner of bipartisan negotiation as a ploy to expose Republican obstinacy. Mitt Romney appears before conservatives to denounce the president’s health care reform effort—at once attacking “government run healthcare,” defending Medicare, and leaving out the fact that he passed a very similar bill in Massachusetts. John McCain, with a straight face, launches a reelection campaign having abandoned a leadership role on just about every issue—immigration reform, gays in the military, climate change, TARP, a deep disdain for Romney–that once branded him as a different kind of politician. This stuff, also, is worth doing, but still inadequate in itself.

So I wonder. Are there other ways of thinking about this problem, and attempting to frame the discussion? I don’t know. But I do have some thoughts, and at the risk of thinking aloud in a rambling blog post, let me lay them out here:

First we could do a better job of distinguishing the external causes of public outrage from the ones rooted in Beltway behavior. It is certainly true that Washington is filled with boobs, but boobs—that eternal fixture of democracy–are not enough to get 86 percent of America declaring that “government is broken.” The fire driving the outrage is an economic insecurity that is felt in just about every living room in America.

According to the Census, median household income in 2008 was $50,303, a decrease from $51,295 in 1998, when the numbers are adjusted for inflation. In other words, over the last decade, America has been in decline. The one economic bright spot—cheap credit that fueled a ridiculous housing boom that fueled more cheap credit—was a mirage that vanished in 2008. Americans are angry—and they are staring at Glenn Beck’s 12-step chalkboard—because they know things are going wrong. (Look at the graph of U.S. GDP growth on this page to get a sense of the trends. The recession may have hit in 2007, but the decline in growth rate began in 2004.) Health care inflation is out of control, meaning benefits are getting cut back. Jobs are scarce. Whole sections of the country are suffering.

This pain is blamed on Washington, but the anger is not directly connected to any policy, proposed or in place. Americans know that the president’s health care reform effort only tackles a small part of the problem (health costs) imperfectly, and that its biggest change impacts a small percentage of the population (the uninsured). The jobs bill currently being debated in the Senate—the latest in what has become a biannual event—is not going to solve the underlying issues. It is a band-aid. Both parties are simply unsure what to do, so they are retreating to their poll-tested standbys. Republicans want to cut your taxes and voucher-ize your entitlements. Democrats want to increase subsidies and your entitlements. Both want to build more museums in their districts, or fund more weapons systems in their states. Some from both parties, though mostly Democrats, hope to spark a new boom by refocusing spending on green energy programs.

But the issue of American decline is rarely talked about directly. Neither party wants to completely embrace the concept. And we in the media prefer to focus on the Washington boobs. In this regard, James Fallows recent cover story in the Atlantic Monthly—“How America Can Rise Again”–does us all a great service. If you have not read it yet, you should.

Second, on a related note, I wonder if the current cycle of public outrage might be better channeled away from the typical temptations of electoral politics. I wrote a story that posted on Friday about a rather revealing pattern: Members of Congress often only decide to get along and work together once they retire from office. Last week, Evan Bayh did his best to make a caricature of this truism—explaining his retirement from the Senate by asserting that it was just not a place where he could get anything done. He would abandon the whole effort to seek “better ways to serve my fellow citizens.” I spoke with Dan Glickman, a former Democratic member of Congress who later became a lobbyist. He succinctly described partisan problem in Congress this way: “Solving problems is seen as being a kind of weakness, because it means that you have compromised.”

I wonder if there is a lesson here. For two decades political activists in both parties have taken as their rallying cry a simple premise: We have to be tougher, fight harder, be more committed to our bedrock principles. This has been fed by a disintegration of the national political discussion into ideological niches—Fox News versus MSNBC, Michelle Malkin versus Markos Moulitsas. It is all great fun, but the two edges seem to be fighting themselves to a neverending draw. Democrats obstruct Republican plans. Republicans obstruct Democratic plans. The American public keeps replacing their members of Congress, but very little gets done, save the easy stuff—cut taxes, increase spending, continue unaffordable entitlements—which everyone agrees will eventually lead us all to fiscal ruin.

I wonder if the enormous outrage in the public might be channeled at some point to make the idea of compromise a good thing, not a bad thing. Could the impotence and low-approval of Washington possibly not be the fault of the mendacity of one side or the other, but rather the belief that one side or the other must prevail? It is notable that the one area where there is basic  bipartisan agreement—education reform policy—is also the one policy area where there are clear signs of improvement.

I know this sort of appeal to the ideological middle is the sort of thing that will invite my flaying on various blogs. It would be better for my hit count if I just ranted against Romney or Obama. And honestly I don’t even know if more compromise would improve or worsen our problems. It is also true that I am employed by a great corporate media monster that still refuses to take sides in the rush towards ideological audience Balkanization, so perhaps that colors my view. But I figured I would put my musings out there. With so much so clearly broken in the public mind, it seems like as good a time as any for us all to reexamine our assumptions. In the meantime, I have to go back to work—more stories to do on the rottenness of Washington’s ways, and the cravenness of our elected officials.

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  • afguy

    Or boobs with boobs, for that matter.

  • pafro

    You were close to the right track and then veered off course.

    As you note, the median income for America is falling, as Americans are getting poorer and poorer. You forgot to mention that the rich are getting richer by leaps and bounds, and where a couple making around $100,000 like me and my wife paid 24% in Federal taxes in 2007, a fat cat making $300,000,000 paid an average of 16%.

    The events where we have gotten your beloved “compromise” are when Democrats appeased Republicans with free-trade agreements that help the rich and tax cuts for the rich. Was not Saint Bayh’s (patron of bipartisan unity) last legislative proposal the elimination of the estate tax?

    Given that the ‘haves’ have more and the ‘have nots’ have less, it is no surprise that government response has shifted to the ‘haves’ in a vicious cycle of upward income redistribution.

    We need some good old fashioned income redistribution in the other direction. Nothing else will save this nation. It can’t exist without functional and large middle class.

  • stuartzechman

    Michael Scherer:
    .
    We all know you were told to write about “bipartisanship” as if a lack of it was somehow a feature of a dysfunctional system and not, say, a governance-style responsible for the AUMF to invade Iraq, i.e. “broken government”. I, for one, wasn’t terribly thrilled at the prospect of these daily installments, since I don’t necessarily find too much value in leaving the ideological premises of your magazine’s editors unquestioned.
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    But, contrary to my expectations, this is a decent piece, mainly because you pose your appeal in the form of a question, and not another Third Way/Draft Colin Powell for President-style ideological assertions couched in the gibberish of “political reality”.
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    So I intend to answer your questions honestly, and even if my responses sound like snark:

    You: It is notable that the one area where there is basic bipartisan agreement—education reform policy—is also the one policy area where there are clear signs of improvement.

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    Me: It is also notable that the one area in which there is basic bipartisan agreement –the prosecution of multiple occupations– is also the one policy area where there is no end in sight to the waste of blood and treasure.

    , I’m not doing so out of reflexive hostility or ideological compulsion, but from an effort take advantage of this “good a time as any for us all to reexamine our assumptions” in good faith, Michael Scherer.
    .
    For all of the problems with your line that immediately jump out at the reader, this is about as well-written as an assignment like this could reasonably be expected to be.
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    You write

    I am employed by a great corporate media monster that still refuses to take sides

    Not taking a side –embracing the middle political position wherever on the spectrum it happens to be at the time, promoting ideological centrism (the “Third Way”), advertising an anthropology-style professional pose– is taking a side, albeit somewhat dishonestly, hence my frequently asked question (of political journalists) “Moderate what? Moderate left, moderate right, or moderate center?
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    Well, I, for one, look forward to this discussion, Michael Scherer, and further evidence of your intellectual honesty and integrity, as you write about the side your publication has chosen in the struggle to define America –its own.

  • Ivy_B

    Media Matters had a post based on an article by Jay Rosen -

    When reporters omit reality from their stories in order to avoid being seen as “involved” or “taking sides,” they are taking sides. And they are taking the wrong side. When you treat two statements — one true and one false — as equally valid and equally likely to be true, you are conferring an undeserved benefit on the false statement.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/201002220005

    I think that sometimes a narrative is written because publishers are bored – nothing more to say about HCR, they have been ignoring the wars for many many months, the economy is too hard and they decide to beat another drum. This theme—the government is broken, frozen, incapacitated, petty, pathetic—is everywhere. TIME and CNN have even made it a week-long theme.

    Of course there will be nothing constructive to come of this, except pounding another story into the collective consciousness and then exulting about the outcome. (Look at all those people who hate the HCR bill… Oh, after they learn what is really in it many think it is much better. Hmmm wonder where they got the idea in the first place.)

  • http://twitter.com/michaelscherer Michael Scherer

    Stuart, Not sure not taking sides in the macro partisan/ideological audience divide is the same as taking a third way policy side. My point is that we are still a general interest publication; we don’t pander left or right as a rule. Individual writers, however, take sides all the time, in calling out various hypocrisies or challenging arguments, or dismissing poses. I do that on this blog plenty, and in my magazine work.
    .
    What i was acknowledging was that in a competitive media environment, the mainstream publication faces similar pressures as a partisan/ideological one–we are have incentives to cater to our audiences. TPM/HuffPo write stories to appeal to one group. RedState/Fox writes stories to appeal to another. Etc.

    But again, I don’t think being subject to the same pressures makes us embrace a third way ideology. Our work product is simply more varied than that.

    m.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Y’know, I read this article when I first got in this morning, and then I noticed the talk about Rockefeller bailing on the Public Option and it struck me as funny that the first response was Stuart and a few others calling him a traitor.

  • stuartzechman

    Do you really have to lie about what I write?
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    Is lying necessary?

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Sorry, I forgot to highlight the part of the article this pertains to: “Solving problems is seen as being a kind of weakness, because it means that you have compromised.”

  • towandavt

    Well Michael, another fine example of pointless hand-wringing angst as a substitute for an analysis that would actually enlighten anyone. You’d be better off publishing the thoughts of some of the commenters, at least they provide some substance. Yeesh!

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    You said he contradicted himself and suggested someone had gotten to him and the rest of the chorus replied with various comments about what could cause the about face in rather humorous or ridiculous jokes about his mental state. Sure, you didn’t use the word traitor, but I think most would say that reading between the lines, you saw this as a betrayal at some level.

  • towandavt

    …And doing that would take some critical thinking and analysis and that’s what is too often missing. Instead, we are dished up “on the one hand this, and the other that.”

  • bobcn1

    ‘the government is broken, frozen, incapacitated, petty, pathetic’

    You can’t honestly decry broken government and not point out that virtually all of the republicans are working hard to keep it that way — and they’ve succeeded. Yes, Bush failed. But it was his enacted policies that failed. He never had to deal with a large minority that wanted government (in the face of economic crisis and two hot wars) to grind to a halt. Bush had a chance to govern and he failed. In the Senate, thanks to historic levels of obstruction by the republicans, Obama and the Democrats can’t even get votes.

    ‘I know this sort of appeal to the ideological middle…’

    Are you demanding that the republicans move toward the middle? If so, then say so. Also, do you believe the magic of moderation will stop the obstruction? Why? Lastly, where is the middle? Is it some line between the gop and the dems, or where the average American is? They’re not the same.

    Yes, there’s been Balkanization. But I see the problem this way: One side — the republicans — got a chance to govern and they failed. The other side — due to unprecedented obstruction — has been denied that opportunity. That leaves the public with the choice of conservative policies that don’t work, or nothing at all. There’s no middle with choices like that.

  • nathan7777

    I have a solution: term limits. Put term limits on congressmen, and their election cycle myopia goes away (or is at least diminished).

  • stuartzechman

    Michael Scherer:
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    Thanks so very much for responding. I don’t expect you to have the time in your day to answer to every complex comment or question on a provocative topic, so when you do, I’m very appreciative.
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    Very briefly:

    Not sure not taking sides in the macro partisan/ideological audience divide is the same as taking a third way policy side.

    I did a bad job of enumerating the complexity of the manner in which your publication specifically (and the establishment national press corps generally) take a side.
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    Yes, you’re correct, by advertising their objectivity through their political coverage, reporters aren’t necessarily advocating for Third Way policy, they’re not marching with placards that read “My Editors Demand: NAFTA NOW! NAFTA NOW!” It’s more complex than that, certainly (although Third Way policy advocacy is the practical result of such an editorial position more often than not ).

    we don’t pander left or right as a rule

    You pander to the center, either the establishment consensus center, or Joe Klein’s imaginary “Radical Middle” and Broder’s mythical “independent voter.”
    .
    The editorial position “not to pander” is itself an expression of an ideological position, albeit one that seeks to hide itself through repetitive declarations of objectivity. My point is that your point of view tries very hard to distinguish between political ideology and professional ideology, and, in the realm of political journalism, these tend to be identical in practice. Average people can sense your professional ideology and its premises imbued throughout coverage, and are aware that what they’re experiencing is a fundamentally different perspective than theirs, complete with assumptions that they don’t share about how the world works, and what’s good or bad, or even what event just happened. The right has successfully labeled this phenomenon “the liberal media,” and in defense your profession has responded “we’re non-ideological,” which erodes your credibility further.
    .
    That’s a different argument than
    I don’t think being subject to the same pressures makes us embrace a third way ideology. Our work product is simply more varied than that.
    Of course, you’re right about that. It’s much more varied and complex than that.
    .
    Thanks once again for having this necessary conversation, Michael Scherer. It’s good for our country (See? Another ideological premise not necessarily shared by your profession).

  • stuartzechman

    It’s amazing how adept you are at mind-reading.
    .
    Sure, I didn’t say he was a narcoleptic theater critic, but it’s all right there between the lines, isn’t it?

  • bobcn1

    Term limits have been tried all over the country. In my state we’ve had them for nearly two decades. They haven’t solved anything (except to deny voters the ability to reelect people that they like). They’ve been tried. Show me a place where they’ve worked.

  • stuartzechman

    The Presidency?

  • nathan7777

    The white house, regardless of who occupies it. Administrations consistently poll much better than Congress.
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    Also, what state are you referring to? And I presume you are talking about state legislatures? What other states have tried it when you say they’ve been tried all over the country?

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Stuart, a leading supporter of your favored project does an about face on it and you spent your time going on about how what he says not only contradicts facts by the GAO but contradicts his own statements while implying (though not explicitly stating it – though others did finish that loop) that the entire idea was ridiculous because they didn’t need to give in to Republican demands because you only need 50 votes. You suggest that the only way that this would happen is if someone has something on him which I think we both know is unlikely and he honestly believes that it is the best move from a political standpoint (though you consistently claim that it can pass and I consistently think it couldn’t pass even reconciliation). How does all of this not scream “betrayal”? Or, to use Michael’s term, “weak”? What else was I supposed to read from that?

  • dwilde1

    Term limits, line-item veto, and read the bills act. Senators (especially) should be called upon to signify their position on every provision of every bill for their constituents (which would avoid monster bills with tons of pork).

  • Paul-no not that one

    Congressional term limits, while being by definition anti-democratic, would result in staff and lobbyists having even more hidden-from -the-eye influence.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    The White House partially polls really well from:
    A) Personality exposure
    B) “Support the President” because he’s Command-in-Chief
    C) Strength of American and Strength of the President regularly go hand-in-hand (mentally speaking) and people want to believe that the country is strong
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    Not that I’m against term limits, but I think you really need to look at State Legislatures and Governors for better comparisons on effectiveness of term limits.

  • bobcn1

    California. Home of the minority veto. Broken budgets and massive debt. Tort reform (settlements limited since the ’70s) with massive health insurance rate increases anyway. The best schools in the country prior to Prop 13 — now near the bottom.
    .
    If term limits were a panacea, don’t you think you would see businesses term limiting their management?

    Yes, the presidency as been term limited. How has that made it better? The two term limit was imposed because the public liked Roosevelt and kept reelecting him. The republicans pushed the constitutional amendment to enhance their ability to get elected.

  • centfan

    Well, you’re President. You’re popular, but because the media needs conflict they’ll make sure you’re torn down. You have a Congress of your party now but they’ll get flushed out in a negative tide in two years. Term limits will turbo-charge the effect.

    Now you’ve tried to do everything in an eighteen month window and you have six months to keep some friendly Congressmen in office. Oops, didn’t work. Now you have two years to limp out your first term and try to get elected in a second term. If you make it you can only pray the Congress comes with you or you’re some kind of lame duck for two or even four more years.

    Meanwhile most of Congress is trying to cash in on the lottery they won when elected and have to pay back all the corporate IOU’s or they’ll never land that do-nothing consultant job when they get tossed in a couple years.

  • nathan7777

    Paul –
    .
    But if you’ve only got three terms to make a difference, you’re more likely to focus on what you came to congress to do, not what to do to stay in congress. Staff are picked by the candidates. Lobbyists have a good deal of influence because it’s advantageous for them to buy a senator or representative that has staying power. Take that away and I think it becomes a riskier much less efficient affair for big money lobbyists.
    .
    And as for it being by definition anti-democratic, then I suppose term limits on the presidency are also anti-democratic? I don’t think anyone here would argue for doing away with term limits on the presidency.

  • stuartzechman

    Honestly, can’t you stop?
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    your favored project
    .
    You have no idea what you’re talking about.
    .
    What “favored project”?
    .
    Do you mean to say that I’m a public option advocate?
    .
    I’m not. It’s not my “favored project.” I think that it’s nearly worthless in the House’s incarnation of it, and that liberals signed on because it seemed like a Trojan Horse for (or a symbol of) single-payer.
    .
    you spent your time going on
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    Yes, I do a lot of that, everybody knows.
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    You suggest that the only way that this would happen is if someone has something on him which I think we both know is unlikely
    .
    Again with the mind-reading…how do we both know that?
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    With the amount of Rahm-style back-room horse-trading starting to characterize this Administration, isn’t it terribly likely that something has been offered to Rockefeller? It took free Medicaid for Nelson, didn’t it? Why wouldn’t we have a reason to conjecture that something along the lines of hard votes against carbon emissions or for clean coal subsidies weren’t held over the Senator from West Virginia’s head?
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    I bears looking into; if I were a political journalist with connections to staffers, I would.
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    he honestly believes that it is the best move from a political standpoint
    .
    Why assume that? He’s done a complete reversal on policy on which he commissioned a study. He’s in a position to force it through. There’s a bloc of Democrats who are apparently willing to ensure it gets added through reconciliation. They don’t need the little bloc of 10 New Democrats to do this –that’s the whole point of reconciliation. Maybe he’s being completely honest, maybe he isn’t. When somebody who got the GAO involved then says “It’s sort of like the public option,” honesty isn’t the first thing that comes to mind.

    How does all of this not scream “betrayal”? Or, to use Michael’s term, “weak”? What else was I supposed to read from that?

    How about this: why don’t you get what you’re supposed to read from what I actually write, instead of getting what you’d like to characterize my arguments as, i.e. hysterical and partisan, OK?

  • nathan7777

    The White House partially polls really well from:
    A) Personality exposure
    B) “Support the President” because he’s Command-in-Chief
    C) Strength of American and Strength of the President regularly go hand-in-hand (mentally speaking) and people want to believe that the country is strong

    .
    I have a hard time believing that people approved of the white house because they feel a need to “Support the President”. I certainly didn’t feel that way with Bush.
    .
    Many congressmen have personality exposure as well, especially the party leaders.
    .
    And point C is basically just a rephrased point of B. I doubt Republicans approve of Obama because they want America to be strong…

  • vstillwell

    Baby Boomers guys. It’s how that generation works. They fight and bicker all the time and compromise on nothing. It’s been this way for 20 years. Coincidence?

  • pafro

    I think it is fair to say that you take sides much like the referee who is loath to call obvious and intentional fouls because he “doesn’t want the refs deciding the game”, thereby giving the team who is willing to cheat the most the advantage.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    B and C are heavily related but I’m not positive there’s total overlap. Either way, I’m not saying everyone thinks that and very few intelligent people that are capable of understanding the lack of conflict between “hate the President” and “support the troops” believe that, but there’s enough people out there (I could EASILY believe 10-20%) that it significantly skews the poll numbers. As for Reid, Pelosi, etc – there isn’t nearly as much personality exposure for those two. Do you know what sports Reid watches or plays? Pelosi? Do you know what sort of entertainment venues they go to on nights off? Do you know who their spouses are? And just remember, you’re probably far more informed than the average American. We know these facts about Obama, we knew them about Bush, we knew them about Clinton, etc.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Term limits are somewhat anti-democratic insofar as it is possible for a scenario where the person the majority of people want to represent them can’t represent him because he was term limited. We know this is true because we are implementing term limits to prevent them from representing people because we know they’ll win again. That said, the number of Proportional Representation advocates who’ve told me that Proportional Representation is truly democratic while First-past-the-post is not because the parties aren’t properly represented compared to the percentage that want to be represented by said party would question that. It heavily depends on whether you believe that democracy or party platform more heavily represents you.
    .
    Mind you, this isn’t nearly the same issue in the US as it is in more parliamentary based nations like Canada where party line votes have been the norm for generations.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Nathan, staff are permanent members of DC.
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    Find a freshman congressperson and see who they hire.
    Many will be staffers from other offices or from retired members.
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    It’s smart because they know the ropes and can get the new members up to speed.
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    Of course lobbyists would then target staff just as they now focus on the elected official.
    .
    And yes certainly I find the term limits on the presidency anti-democratic. Anything that takes power/choice away from the citizens in elections is.

  • nathan7777

    How does a minority veto relate at all to term limits?

  • hotbbq

    That would be the side of greatest profit. Time Inc. believes remaining “neutral” bests serves it’s bottom line. Of course neutral does not imply soundness or correctness.

  • destor23

    Michael, I hope you’ll address this because I think it’s important and it’s a comment that’s well meant (not picking on you here). When you say that you want to get to a point where “compromise is a good thing” I think you’re kind of missing the reality of the situation.

    All we have is compromise. Clinton was a compromiser who championed welfare reform that Republicans wanted. Democrats voted for a rewriting of the bankruptcy laws that Republicans wanted. Both parties have supported “free trade” almost identically. Bush supported things like Medicare Part D, he just wouldn’t raise any taxes to pay for it. Democrats crossed over to support the Iraq war.

    I’m sorry but a lot of times it seems to me it’s the moments of compromise where the biggest blunders happen. When Democrats and Republicans unite to write trillion dollar checks to Wall Street everybody’s compromising but we wind up paying. Indeed, I think if you look to lots of recent examples of compromise between the parties what you’ll really find is that corporate interests have bought off both sides.

    Debate is good if it’s honest debate. Opposing ideologies are fine if people really believe them and compromise is fine when it’s a compromise that’s arrived at through real hard work and understanding but it’s deplorable when it’s done cynically or in the service of campaign donors rather than working people.

  • nathan7777

    Term limits prevent officials from amassing so much power and influence that it becomes practically impossible to unseat them. If you really think it’s anti-democratic, then our early presidents would disagree with you. Thomas Jefferson wrote “if some termination to the services of the chief Magistrate be not fixed by the Constitution, or supplied by practice, his office, nominally four years, will in fact become for life”. George Washington didn’t run for a third term. Neither did Madison or Monroe. Roosevelt was the only one elected to more than two terms, and then term limits were enacted.
    .
    It’s very difficult for new faces to break into the Senate simply because of the massive influence that long term senators command. New ideas and new people are essential in a responsive government. We don’t have that simply because it’s so easy for career politicians to park themselves in our government and stay there. Is it any wonder why the longer a senator serves the more likely he is to get reelected?

  • vwcat

    Michael hit some of it on the head towards the end when he said what he did about left v right on cable news.
    The press holds alot of responsibility for what is happening.
    Congress has learned that to get face time they need to posture and be extreme partisans.
    The media also plays to the shallow gossipy stuff and gins up the divides all in the name of drama. But, they do not educate the public and they do not tell the facts.
    They will allude or do innuendo type of things, push gossip and rumor, push the partisanship.
    People have no clue as to what is truth and what is the facts of the issues.
    The press let’s you know what Palin posts on Facebook but, have no idea that Obama had the most accomplished and successful legislative first year of any president.
    Norm Ornstein wrote about it and no one bothered to inform the public.
    Instead the impression the media leaves people is that Obama has done nothing this past year and is a total failure.
    So, people scared with the economy and jobs thinks the president has not bothered to do anything and is worst then Bush.
    They also think he really is pushing too far left when in fact he is a moderate.
    You in the media have been so irresponsible in reporting the past 2 decades that it’s stunning you cannot see this is why the public holds you is low regard.
    You guts needs to stop with the Jr. High school type of thinking and become more like Cronkite or Murrow.
    We don’t want shallow and gossipy. We want to be educated and given the facts.
    The false equivilency garbage also needs to go.
    the facts.
    Until the press admits to their own bad behavior and how they have pushed things to the extremes and failed in telling people truth and facts, we will have a broken government and press.

  • destor23

    See this is another thing that bugs me about this whole discussion… They write about “extremism on both sides” but… Obama’s a moderate. Reid’s a moderate. Lieberman’s almost a Republican. Nelson switches all the time… Everyone with any power on the “left” side of this debate is basically a centrist. So how do you boild that down to extremists on both sides? Our policies are not being spawned out of a debate between Kucinich and Palin.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Alright:
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    First: I see you as a partisan Liberal who regularly rants about how Democrats should stop trying to go down the middle and start listening to their base. Considering that I’m practically quoting you for large portions of that, I hope that you at least agree with me on everything but partisan. Keep in mind, I make a distinction between partisan and hyper-partisan, the latter of which is more suited for Fox, freep and rusty. While I find a lot of your comments here to be quite intelligent and informed, I often feel that they are short sighted or heavily slanted towards ideological rather than pragmatic. Regardless, I find you a very interesting contributor and that is a major reason that I ended up recalling your name and not someone else’s to attribute the thread of betrayal to.
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    Second: I admit I seem to have misunderstood you. I should’ve said that 3 posts ago but being called a liar flared up the emotions a bit higher than they should have gone. I was not lying, I had misunderstood. My previous post was meant to highlight the logic that lead to my mistake not to claim that you were mistaken about your own interpretation of yourself – though my ego’s definitely big enough for me to try that.
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    Third: I seem to have completely misgauged your level of support for the Public Option. I apologize
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    Fourth: The White House buying Rockerfeller makes no sense to me. If the White House ends up with a signed petition telling them they can get the 50 votes in the Senate, they might throw in the Public option but the pace is notably slow especially going into the conference on Thursday – they definitely won’t have the signatures for it by then. To me, this entire month has screamed that they’re trying to get the Republicans on their backfoot with regards to health insurance while they try to find the 50 votes somewhere for any bill (public option or no) which they don’t seem to have. Do I think it’ll get any Republicans onside? No. What it does do is help limit the shrink of support for HCR, it might even turn the tide making it politically palatable for the hesitant senators to sign on. Why do I mention all this? Because it makes far more sense to me that Rockefeller, a long time Senator, to have seen exactly what I’m seeing and basically say that. That’s what Rockefeller is suggesting with his own statement, that’s what Kate posted just recently, etc. I had assumed you’d see that but I apparently forgot my own opinions about your Partisan nature which I find often handicaps the general feel of the whipcount in favor of the Democrats a bit too often

  • vwcat

    destor23, you are right in that the media presents all these moderates as extremes for the sake of drama.

    But, I have to add to my own posting as well.
    Some other things in the mix that hurts is that it seems the boomers (I am tail end) seem to think life is extreme and a constant battle with people. They seem to need enemies.
    so left and right fight like it’s about Vietnam and the 60s. And they bring their dysfunction to our boardrooms and our government.
    They also are the ones that do not care about country or the people.
    It’s all about me, me and me.
    the whole mindset of I’ve got mine and to heck with those in need. Blame the victim and worship the robber barons because they are greedy and mean and selfish.

    Buy off the politicians who are more concerned with feathering their nest then with doing the work of the people.

    And back to the press that becomes as cowed by the bullies on the right as the democrats are. They cry about you being too soft on Obama so for the last year you guys have done nothing but, nit pick the man to death. Rock and hard place. D if he does and D if he doesn’t and you put this idea in the public’s head that the man is worthless and wrong.

  • bobcn1

    I bring it up because it’s another example of things that have been tried and failed — but continue to be suggested as though they’re new ideas. For example:
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    o Term limits – They’ve been tried. If they worked, we’d have examples to point to. Isn’t it interesting that the term limits suggestion only seems to come up when republicans are in the minority? When they’re in the majority they lose interest.
    .
    o Super-majorities to pass legislation — It’s been tried (in California). It has made the state ungovernable. Now, thanks to over-use of the filibuster, the federal government is following in California’s footsteps.
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    o Tort Reform — California has had low caps on settlements since the mid 70′s. It hasn’t helped insurance rates there one bit.
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    o If you lower taxes revenues will increase — Kennedy is always cited (when marginal tax rates were >90%). Why isn’t Reagan’s or Bush Jr’s tax cuts cited? Because they didn’t increase revenues. They led to massive debt.
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    If you’re going to suggest a plan that has been tried then show me where it succeeded. If it has failed (or had no effect) then you need to come up with a different plan.

  • stuartzechman

    being called a liar flared up the emotions a bit higher than they should have gone. I was not lying, I had misunderstood.

    I owe you an apology then, since I immediately jumped to conclusions, myself.
    .
    Thanks for having the integrity to admit a misunderstanding, it’s appreciated (and should be cultivated between commenters).

    While I find a lot of your comments here to be quite intelligent and informed, I often feel that they are short sighted or heavily slanted towards ideological rather than pragmatic.

    That’s a fair criticism, since I tend to place less stock in the importance or immovability of “political reality,” and find that arguments for “pragmatism” more often than not amount to arguing for building half-a-bridge, i.e. worthless policy that “can get done.”

    I find you a very interesting contributor and that is a major reason that I ended up recalling your name and not someone else’s to attribute the thread of betrayal to.

    That’s very generous of you, thank you.

    The White House buying Rockerfeller makes no sense to me.

    As someone who finds “pragmatism” appealing, that’s puzzling. They bought PhRMA, didn’t they? They bought (or acquiesced to buying) Nelson, Landrieu et al, didn’t they?
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    The little bloc of New Democrats literally weren’t going to vote for a bill that wasn’t bipartisan –no matter what was or wasn’t in it– and had to be bribed into doing so. This White House and Democratic leadership are “pragmatic” enough not to be above such things. It’s an entirely rational argument to make that they’d do so again now with Rockefeller.
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    I have nothing but past reporting and conjecture, but it’s worth looking into, just like it was for Nelson.

    they definitely won’t have the signatures for it by then

    That’s Congress-speak for “self-fulfilling prophecy.” Senators who make that the centerpiece of their statements seem to be trying to persuade fellow Senators to be cautious, which then guarantees less back-room buzz for something, which then guarantees a lack of votes.
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    Talking about “not having the votes” is a political tactic unique to the Senate, not a real description of reality, like saying “it’s 45 degrees outside” would be.

    To me, this entire month has screamed that they’re trying to get the Republicans on their backfoot with regards to health insurance while they try to find the 50 votes somewhere for any bill (public option or no) which they don’t seem to have.

    To me, this entire month has been the delayed (because of the backlash they’ve finally noticed and responded to) follow-through to the Gang of Six strategy that they’ve always been committed to, both ideologically (they believe in this crap) and politically (they don’t seem to have any other ideas). It’s the Gang of Six, only with the whole Congress, instead of the Finance Committee. I think that they planned this the entire time –they were certainly ready for it.
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    It’s just a very, very stupid set of priorities that mostly have to do with symbolism, instead of improving peoples’ lives (there, that’s my ideology again).
    .
    Thanks for the reasonable discussion.

  • stuartzechman

    That should have been “Coming from someone who finds “pragmatism” appealing

  • stuartzechman

    Something just struck me:

    A new poll shows that 86 percent of Americans think the thesis “government is broken” is true.

    Did the new poll ask Americans if the thesis “economic system is broken” is true, too?
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    Or was that theory somehow left out of the choices available to respondents, for some reason?

  • bobcn1

    ‘It’s very difficult for new faces to break into the Senate…’
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    Why should I care? I don’t want new faces — I want effective government. Where else is inexperience touted as a desirable attribute? When you pick a doctor, carpenter, mechanic, or lawyer to hire you value experience, don’t you? If constant turnover were a reasonable way to manage, don’t you think corporations would have term limits for their own management?
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    For some weird reason, people act as though governing this country is easy. It’s not. When people get bad government from inept (and sometimes malicious) politicians, they often accept the excuse that government is inherently bad and give their favorite politicians a pass. Is it surprising that the result we get is poor?
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    The term ‘career politician’ has become a pejorative. It shouldn’t be. A politician that serves the public well should be praised — not turned out to make room for ‘new faces’.

  • apr2563

    As myself and others have mentioned in Swampland, would you take CA as a successful model of term limits?
    Termed pols just drift from one elected position to another (Something, Stuart, a President is unlikely to do). They take their special interests with them.
    Left behind are legislative staff who are entrenched with special interests and have tremendous power.
    The only solution to any of the quandries we face is to rid ourselves of the corruption of money in our politics.

  • christophermgomez

    This kind is the kind of post I appreciate most from journalists. It’s informed, candid, and accurate.

    It’s also incredibly difficult to do. I’ve noticed how many of the comments are basically ripping you a new one, or extolling the virtues of partisanship. It’s almost as if they didn’t even read your post.

    While these types of posts may not come that often, and generally come with major blowback, thank you for writing them when you’re moved to.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Y’know, I knew it was going to bite me in the ass for not explaining the other half of why it made no sense to me.

    Nelson et all were because they were securing a vote. Pharma was a tacit acknowledgment of the power of lobbyists and a waste of funds since its now been confirmed that Pharma’s knife is still in their back but I’m pretty sure it was meant to remove a major voice of detraction before it became a problem. Them going after Rockefeller or, well, anyone over a petition that will either have 50 votes on it (in which case, they have the freedom to pursue it) or won’t have 50 votes on it (which I suspect is what the whip counts tell them it would be). At the end of the day, they can go to the caucus, petition in hand, and say “listen, we can’t bring back the Public Option because this sheet shows us we can’t get the 50 votes”. The only plausible reason to buy Rockefeller is because they’re worried about momentum, but that also makes no sense to me: if they did add the public option, I’m pretty sure that would secure passage in the House and if it has momentum in the Senate, it’ll get through. That pretty much leaves only “they don’t actually support the Public Option” which I don’t believe or something along the lines of what Kate Pickert says – they don’t want to lose the trust of the blue dogs and possibly endanger their chances in November. I could believe Rahm would consider it, but buying Rockefeller seems like a really big buy when you could use people like Reid to douse it (and he has been).

    Could I believe Rahm had dinner with Rockefeller to nudge him to make this announcement? Sure. But I don’t see the White House actually benefitting sufficiently from this unless they actually think they have 50 votes (and I can’t find any reporter who thinks that) and are worried about 2010.

  • nathan7777

    If constant turnover were a reasonable way to manage, don’t you think corporations would have term limits for their own management?
    .
    You seriously want government to be modeled after corporations? Corporations have boards that decide who will run their company and how. It’s not even close to an equivalent analogy.
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    If you think you need vast amounts of experience to serve as a senator, then why even bother for voting for someone other than the incumbent? If that’s the case, then why even have elections? If I were to take your argument and apply it to the presidency, then we should really have one president who serves for life because turnover is inherently bad. I don’t think you are intentionally arguing for the benevolent dictator, but you are. Clearly having new people with new ideas and new energy entering into our government is not all bad or we’d never have anyone other than the incumbent serve again.
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    I am not arguing for constant turnover. You can set term limits for two or three six year terms in the senate. That’s 12 or 18 years. That is hardly a constant refresh rate.
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    Term limits are obviously not a magical solution to corruption and stagnation in government, but I think it would increase government responsiveness and force politicians to think in terms longer than the amount of time until the next midterm election.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Sorry, forgot to respond to the rest of your post.

    First: if they actually thought they could get a Republican Vote, Obama wouldn’t have started with Reconciliation as the baseline for Thursday. Gang of six was a proper attempt at getting bipartisanship (obviously a wasted effort – they should start saying “hey, if you pull out on us, we’ll just take back everything we conceded to get you to that point”). This is just an attempt to create the illusion of bipartisanship and play the Republicans. We all know that the conference is for show, and Obama is completely outmaneuvering them right now. So what’s the advantage? November. With Democrats feeling weakened far more than they truly were after Scott Brown’s victory, getting the Republicans running around changes the momentum game which changes the views of the poll-watching-pols who vote based upon whether it’ll help their reelection chances (*cough*Reid*cough*McCain*cough*) so Obama’s trying to raise his poll numbers. Obama is tackling it by taking the bipartisanship route and he’s using his personal approval clout to help drive personal approval ratings which hopefully will drive his proposal ratings and drop the Republicans if he can successfully demonstrate them as obstructionist. To that end, Rockefeller’s comment about bipartisanship is actually quite accurate – bring back the Public Option kills the illusion of Obama doing a reachout which kills the illusion he’s creating for the public.

    Wait, I just answered the question of why the White House would be scared of momentum. Huh.

  • grape_crush

    I know this sort of appeal to the ideological middle…

    When a moderate like Obama is portrayed as a far left liberal, where exactly is the middle?

  • nathan7777

    Isn’t it interesting that the term limits suggestion only seems to come up when republicans are in the minority?
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    I’m a liberal Democrat. And no I don’t find it interesting.
    .
    California has problems with the super majority and requiring public referendums on practically everything. True democracy takes too long, that’s why we have representatives. I don’t think you can blame California’s woes on term limits.
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    I do think, however, that with term limits you’ll get greater responsiveness in Congress, especially with social issues. Do you really think a 75 year old male views the world the same way as a 25 year old female? And as I said in an above comment, you can set term limits high enough to balance the need to keep experienced people in office with that of minimizing the corrupting influence of wielding permanent power.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    It’s also worth noting that in a lot of fields (including some segments of my industry), there is a stigma of “Go up or get out” – either you make it to the upper management (eg: “make partner” for law) or after 2-4 years, you move on to a different company. This way, you can get a lot of cross-pollination in terms of development of both the company and employee, generally to the betterment of the industry as a whole.

  • bobcn1

    ‘…then why even have elections?’
    .
    We’ve reached agreement — sort of. I, like you, think the public should be allowed to elect the representatives they want. Term limits deny us that right.
    .
    ‘If I were to take your argument and apply it to the presidency, then we should really have one president who serves for life because turnover is inherently bad.’
    .
    You either missed my point or you’re trying too hard with your slippery slope argument. I’m not suggesting that turnover — when necessary — is bad. But I am suggesting that unconditional turnover denies us the services of some good people and often puts ineffective people in positions of power.
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    If a politician is doing a bad job then he should be turned out. The goal should always be effective government. Denying voters the right to vote for good people thwarts that goal.

  • stuartzechman

    That pretty much leaves only “they don’t actually support the Public Option” which I don’t believe

    …wait a second…
    .
    Why don’t you believe that?
    .
    Why wouldn’t it be completely plausible that, just like the other New Democrats, Obama and his Administration don’t believe in that policy, and were merely “pragmatically” prepared to go along praising it when it didn’t look like it was going to be an issue?
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    Remember Obama’s language of “preferring” the public option? Doesn’t that remind you of the standard Third Way line that Joe Klein repeats ad nauseum, that he “prefers a single-payer system, if we were starting from scratch”? It’s the same sort of “preference” that puts liberal ideas into the toilet, without requiring any work, intellectual or political. Obama “prefers” a public option, if we were living on Neptune.
    .
    Remember how Obama “changed his mind” about the individual mandate, once the campaign was over, once the chance of being held accountable by liberal voters was over?
    .
    Why wouldn’t he have done a similar thing, i.e. took the more popular position publicly, but then worked to defeat it privately, because New Democrats are against it?

  • destor23

    Why would talking about the important and necessary parts of partisanship be off topic here?

  • stuartzechman

    where exactly is the middle?

    Exactly where Michael Scherer left it, i.e. where it couldn’t be seen or discussed.
    .
    The idea is to posit the goodness of the ideological middle, then discuss the badness of the ideological left and right.
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    The middle is wherever Michael Scherer (or his publication) is.

  • nathan7777

    But I am suggesting that unconditional turnover denies us the services of some good people and often puts ineffective people in positions of power.
    .
    I disagree. If that was true then we’d have that problem with the presidency and most of our state governors, and we don’t.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    A) ‘Cause the Public Option actually polls well
    B) Just because New Democrats believe in working with the right doesn’t mean they don’t believe in Liberal concepts. That’s not universally true – Nelson is probably a perfect example of someone who is actually more conservative rather than Third Way, but there are individuals (and I’m pretty sure that Obama is one of them based upon the way he seems to approach most forms of governance – the same way that the Republicans chose to bash him in ’08) that he actually does support the Public Option in terms of a principle but not thinking it’ll actually pass due to it’s political feasibility.

    BTW: When I said “they don’t support it”, I mean from a ideological perspective, not a political one.

  • afguy

    stu,
    .
    If I had a water heater whose manufacturer had removed the “pressure regulator” to keep it from blowing the sides off from time to time, and it had a history of doing just that, I’d consider it broken and want something done to “fix” it.
    .
    Or replace it with a different model that did have that safety feature.
    .
    PIty our resident MOTU’s only think the unregulated model is the way to go with the economy…

  • shepherdwong

    The system is rotten with hypocrisy and self-dealing.
    .
    “The system” is rotten with corporate lobbying money which, apparently, you can’t talk about and that’s a huge part of the rot. More than 1,300 words about how “broken” and “rotten”
    Washington is and not s a single word about the influence of industry lobbying. What influence could three-and-half $billion served up by tens of thousands of heavily-networked lobbyists buy anyway? Again, this is another prime example of why the traditional media is held in no more esteem by the public than the rest of Washington and why people are leaving you in droves for information sources they think they can trust.
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    People are angry because they see elites in business, politics and the press, living by a double standard that rewards them even when they fail while non-elites work harder and harder for fewer reward and greater risk of personal disaster. Because your industry is rotted (something else you can’t talk about) like the rest of Beltway elite culture, voters are too ignorant or disaffected to know how to hold responsible elites to account. This is all by design of course and would be a great story, if you were allowed to write it.

  • stuartzechman

    A) ‘Cause the Public Option actually polls well

    The New Democrats have been opponents of too many positions that poll well (mortgage cramdown) and proponents of too many that poll disastrously (bankruptcy “reform”) to list here, although many commenters know that I sometimes do.
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    Suffice it to say, electoral stupidity has never seemed to bother New Democrats enough to change their habits, because they always draw the wrong conclusions from every political situation or event.

    B) Just because New Democrats believe in working with the right doesn’t mean they don’t believe in Liberal concepts.

    That’s true, but not exactly accurate. It’s not that New Democrats believe in liberal concepts, it’s that they believe in their own concepts, some of which can appear liberal, if the only choices people have to describe anything are “liberal” or “conservative”.
    .
    They believe in regulation, for example, which is a nominally liberal concept, but they don’t believe in the same “regulation” that liberals do. Liberals see regulation as a way to counter the power of private interests, New Democrats see it as something else.
    .
    I’ll let a rightist describe it, since you know I’m a liberal partisan (link to Competitive Institute):

    Over the past few years, there have been mutterings amongst pundits and politicos alike about a “Third Way” of regulation. Presumably the first way is leaving things to markets, and the second is leaving things to government, so the remaining alternative would apparently be doing something in between markets and government. Why that is a “Third Way” rather than “One and a Half Way” will have to remain a puzzle.
    .
    This question of labels aside, in the tech world—especially privacy—the Third Way has manifested itself most strongly in the battle over self-regulation. On Tuesday, self-regulation was touted by former Clinton tech czar Ira Magaziner in his comments at the Progress and Freedom Foundation’s “Aspen Summit”. It is also the subject of a book just released by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
    .
    How did this interest in self-regulation come about? On the surface, the interest in self-regulation is a victory for critics of old-style command and control regulation. It is a long-awaited acknowledgment of the fact that regulators cannot keep up with fast-changing technology, a concession that the “local knowledge” of entrepreneurs serves the public better than the vague standards concocted in the name of the public interest. It is recognition that private companies are motivated by concern for their reputation and by competition to serve their customers better, from kosher food labels to Underwriters’ Laboratory. The very idea that even liberals recognize the need for a Third Way is a significant step away from the notion that government knows all, and a valuable one.
    .
    But there are pitfalls. The close involvement of government with self-regulation can turn into something closer to monarchy than modern democracy. Take privacy as an example. The Clinton FTC took privacy principles designed for government-held medical information and, without direction from Congress, got it into its collective head that these should be applied to the private sector. Vaguely threatening pronouncements issued forth with a call for industry self-regulation. No public comment process, no definite rules to follow, no cost-benefit analysis, no impact study for small business, nothing. Not a thought for the age-old principle of the rule of law, that basic principle of fairness that requires that laws be knowable, reasonably certain, and set out in advance. The very definition of “arbitrary and capricious,” but there was no procedure, so there could be no accountability under the Administrative Procedures Act.
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    Self-regulation, driven by market forces, can be a powerful and wonderful thing. It will and should play a growing role. But if the Third Way consists of forcing industry to follow the latest policy chic by means of lawless decrees, it’s the wrong way.

    The Third Way people are Thomas Friedmans with political power, i.e. ideologues who aren’t conservative and aren’t liberal, but who take surface elements and language of both left and right, and fashion new, bizarre and ultimately ugly policy failure out of them. They are the repeal of Glass-Steagall incarnate.

    That’s not universally true – Nelson is probably a perfect example of someone who is actually more conservative rather than Third Way,

    It is true that Ben Nelson is to the right of many in the New Democrat Coalition, I’ll grant you that.


    but there are individuals (and I’m pretty sure that Obama is one of them based upon the way he seems to approach most forms of governance – the same way that the Republicans chose to bash him in ’08) that he actually does support the Public Option in terms of a principle but not thinking it’ll actually pass due to it’s political feasibility.

    Are you sure that you don’t mean “the way he seems to approach most forms of governance based on how he campaigned in the Democratic primaries“?


    BTW: When I said “they don’t support it”, I mean from a ideological perspective, not a political one.

    Got it.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Sorry for the rather truncated response but…
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    “Are you sure that you don’t mean “the way he seems to approach most forms of governance based on how he campaigned in the Democratic primaries”?”
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    It’s actually based upon how he approaches answering questions in general – both pre and post election. His actual opinions on concepts seem to be left of his actual policies (though he gives considerably more weight and clout to conservative ideas than a lot of Liberals on Swampland would be willing to). He’s also someone that doesn’t really limit his scope of what he’s willing to do simply to what he believes in but what advisors can convincingly argue to him as plausibly beneficial – either from a “good policy” or “good politics” standpoint.

  • Art Pepper

    Compromise in D.C. parlance means two things: the centrist Democrats have to give more to the GOP, and the Democrats’ progressive base needs to stop asking for stuff.

    However – I see we’re now allowed to talk about the failure of “trickle down” to improve the lives of the middle class, so that’s something. Baby steps.

  • http://will110256.wordpress.com will110256

    If we have boobs in Washington running things it is because we have become a collective nation of electoral boobs.

  • apr2563

    http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/02/22/where-miscarriages-are-a-crime
    Miscarriages as a Crime
    Another example of why it is hard to be bipartisan. Where would it lead?

  • bobcn1

    I’m not sure how you can disagree with the fact that term limits denies us the service of some people. It does. That’s exactly what it’s intended to do.
    .
    Look at how this conversation has evolved. This thread started with the statement: ‘I have a solution: term limits.’.
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    After some discussion it’s degenerated to: ‘If that was true then we’d have that problem with the presidency and most of our state governors, and we don’t.’
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    If term limits are so common throughout the country (it is), then it hasn’t been much of a solution, has it?
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    If you want to term limit a politician, vote against him. If enough people agree with you then he’ll be term limited. You can do anything you want with your vote. But don’t try to take my vote away from me because you may not like how I use it. Leave my vote alone.

  • http://randomkirk.wordpress.com randomkirk

    sheperdwong- I know by your previous posts you mean by “Industry lobbying” those vile, rapacious “corporations” you so love to rant about, but they aren’t the only lobbying groups. I defy you to name a single segment of the population, including the poor and homeless, who aren’t represented by at least one lobbyist, and doubtless many more than that. Lobbyists do have too much access and influence on government, but don’t think for a moment that it is just business that is doing it. Banning lobbyists or artificially controlling access will impact the good guys as much as the bad guys, so be careful what you wish for.

  • shepherdwong

    “Banning lobbyists or artificially controlling access will impact the good guys as much as the bad guys, so be careful what you wish for.”
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    Well then, let’s get that bi-partisan paradise going right away: you get your homeys to support a lobbying ban and I’ll get mine and we’ll get an idea of just how much of this year’s $3.5 billion in lobbying cash (and that’s before Citizen’s United) comes from lobbyists for the poor and homeless and how much comes from Corporate Inc. Just this once, I’m going to trust that you seriously believe what you’re saying and count you in on the effort to kill all lobbying for rich and poor alike.
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    http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/

  • http://randomkirk.wordpress.com randomkirk

    I wouldn’t want you to ruin your perfect record of being wrong about things, but…I’m assuming you have no problem with banning the green energy lobby, lobbyists for the various labor unions, AARP, Special Olympics, the National Foundation for the Blind, etc. as well? In that case, I’m all for it. Is that a level-enough playing field, or will you have to tweak things a bit?

  • shepherdwong

    “Is that a level-enough playing field, or will you have to tweak things a bit?”
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    Oh no, that’s plenty level enough for me. Since I’m wrong about everything, it should be safe to tell your fellow boobs to support it. Go. For. It.

  • pafro

    So now Republicans are honoring a terrorist who flew a plane into a building AND calling my wife a criminal? Just when I thought they couldn’t get any creepier.

  • apr2563

    random: I don’t think anyone wants to prevent any person or group from petitioning their government. That is one of our Constitutional rights. As happened in many of our democratic perogatives, that right has been perverted.
    We now have lobbiests writing laws, a revolving door used by legislative and admiinstrative staff and journalists to access K Street through lobbying firms, and elected officials cashing in after leaving office by joining those firms. Daschle, Barbour (now governor), Army, Baker, et al.
    Because of the cost of our elections, lobbiests have undue influence on legislation. I don’t think this is what our founding fathers had in mind.
    Until we have real campaign finance reform and limit the amount of influence money has, our democracy will continue to be undermined. I’m not just talking about big business. Although, they seem to have a heavier hand in the lobby business.

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    I just wrote a blog concerning broken government myself: Broken Government: A Call to Action. You can read it by going to:

    http://theworldperceived.blogspot.com/2010/02/broken-government-call-to-action.html

    The printable pdf document edition is also up on Scribd at:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/27421248/Broken-Government-A-Call-to-Action

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