In the Arena

Home Again

…after 10 days in the Middle East and watching the Sunday morning talk shows. A few thoughts:

–It certainly was fun watching Governors Schwarzenegger and Rendell carve into pieces the puerile speeches delivered at the CPAC convention. The bites from Mitt Romney–who said not one net new private sector job had been created by the stimulus–and Rep. Mike Pence, who led the wingers in a chorus of nos, seemed laughably irresponsible. Ahhnold did not spare his fellow Republicans, citing their opposition to the President’s stimulus programs while cutting ribbons and waving big checks about at home.

–But it was Ed Rendell, steady, solid and grownup, who was especially effective here. After Pence ranted about saying no to new borrowing, no to new spending, Rendell chuckled and said, “As a former prosecutor, I’d love to cross examine him on that.” Which raised a thought: why doesn’t the Obama Administration have anyone as authoritative and easy-in-his-skin as Rendell speaking for it on a regular basis? This goes for both domestic and foreign policy. The Administration too often sends political aides into the fray–they tend to be youngish, defensive and ridden with talking points. More than a year later, there is no single, authoritative voice on foreign policy, either. This is getting to be a real problem. At a moment when the Republicans are acting like children–the “daddy” party has become the clubhouse for testosterone-addled juvenile talk-show delinquents–there is a real need for the Administration to be seen as rock-solid and adult. (The CPAC straw poll, which was won by Ron Paul, reinforces the general sense of the G.O.P. as a high school Ayn Rand Fan Club.)

–David Petraeus, on Meet the Press, was unequivocal in his opposition to the sort of torture that Dick Cheney openly supported on TV last week. Asked whether he thought the U.S. could be getting more from the Taliban military leader captured this past week if the Bush Administration were still in charge, Petraeus said that he had been clear, since 2003, that the U.S. had to “live our values” because when we didn’t “it inevitably turns around and bites us in the rear end.” Moral disasters like Abu Ghraib–a direct result of Cheney-approved interrogation techniques–were “non-biodegradable,” Petraeus said. They were used against us in perpetuity by extremists. Petraeus was also clear that it was the diplomatic cajoling of the past ten months–that is, during the Obama Administration, not its predecessor–that has convinced the Pakistanis to become more aggressive in their anti-Taliban efforts. (It seems very clear that if Petraeus ever did decide to run for President as a Republican–a move I’m not convinced he’ll ever make–he’d be far too moderate to win the support of the Rush-Beck dittoheads.)

In all, a bracing morning–maybe because I avoided Fox. Coming home, the dangerous illogic of the President’s enemies seems especially clear. In these circumstances, it seems time for the President’s (alleged) friends in Congress to stop playing their own political games–especially the Appropriators–and join the party of adults. It is the only way they save their skins come November.

Related Topics: arnold schwarzenegger, David Petraeus, Dick Cheney, Ed Rendell, mike pence, mitt romney, Pakistan, stimulus, Uncategorized
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  • michaelfury

    “Moral disasters like Abu Ghraib–a direct result of Cheney-approved interrogation techniques–were ‘non-biodegradable,’”

    Is THIS one “non-biodegradable”, or will the Obama administration just clean it up, bag it and drive it away in the dead of night?

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/the-ceremony-of-innocence/

  • pintortwo

    Welcome home Mr. Klein.
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    To briefly add to your discussion of McChrystal, Cheney and torture, I’d like to quote former Chief of Staff to Sec State Collin Powell, Lawrence Wilkerson:
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    (W)hen Cheney claims that if President Obama stops “the Cheney method of interrogation and torture”, the nation will be in danger, he is perverting the facts once again. But in a very ironic way.
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    My investigations have revealed to me–vividly and clearly–that once the Abu Ghraib photographs were made public in the Spring of 2004, the CIA, its contractors, and everyone else involved in administering “the Cheney methods of interrogation”, simply shut down. Nada. Nothing. No torture or harsh techniques were employed by any U.S. interrogator. Period. People were too frightened by what might happen to them if they continued.
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    What I am saying is that no torture or harsh interrogation techniques were employed by any U.S. interrogator for the entire second term of Cheney-Bush, 2005-2009. So, if we are to believe the protestations of Dick Cheney, that Obama’s having shut down the “Cheney interrogation methods” will endanger the nation, what are we to say to Dick Cheney for having endangered the nation for the last four years of his vice presidency?
    (link)
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    Shorter: Cheney’s full of it and merely trying to score political points.

  • Ike Jakson

    Welcome back Joe

    Have you had time to speak to Tiger since?
    http://ikejakson.wordpress.com/2010/02/21/woods-in-darkness/

  • Cliff

    Ahhnold did not spare his fellow Republicans
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    Hey, could we all agree to not mention Arnold’s accent every single time he’s spoken of? It’s getting a little old, and it adds nothing to the conversation.

  • Cliff

    And could we get some kind of enforcement on the blog whores?

  • allthingsinaname

    “This is getting to be a real problem. At a moment when the Republicans are acting like children–the “daddy” party has become the clubhouse for testosterone-addled juvenile talk-show delinquents–there is a real need for the Administration to be seen as rock-solid and adult.”
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    Yes Gibbs is cute and funny, but effective?

  • cfukara

    “Home Again”
    Damm!

  • kevin

    Seconded.

  • http://www.pledge-drive.com bondwooley

    Regarding CPAC speakers, we should banish all of them to Canada.

    Just so that the rest of us don’t have to move there ourselves.

    The Last Straw

    (satire)

  • afguy

    Shorter: Cheney’s full of it and merely trying to score political points.
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    pintortwo,
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    Even shorter: Cheney’s full of it.

  • shepherdwong

    “Regarding CPAC speakers, we should banish all of them to Canada.
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    Just so that the rest of us don’t have to move there ourselves.”

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    Canada is looking pretty good to me (I hear they have jobs there). They also have a 21st Century government. Send the CPACers to Somalia or some other “limited government” paradise, where they belong.

  • apr2563

    Please, leave Canada alone. We all may want to escape there someday.
    Put the CPACers on a desert island and let them devour each other. They certainly couldn’t reproduce.

  • tjoyce994

    “Canada is looking pretty good to me (I hear they have jobs there).”
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    And reasonably priced health insurance.

  • shepherdwong

    But, apparently, a steep shortage of industry lobbyists. It’s looking better and better all the time.

  • oizydoizy

    Arnold is the biggest piston in the Kennedy engine now. Hell, he might be the only one left.

  • apr2563

    Have you taken a good look a California lately?

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    JK,
    How do you equate libertarianism with anything so juvenile as a high school fan club? And from where do you derive your conclusion that the public perception of the GOP is, or has been, anything remotely objective or libertarian?

  • shepherdwong

    “How do you equate libertarianism with anything so juvenile as a high school fan club?”
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    How (and why) do you equate things that haven’t been equated?

    At a moment when the Republicans are acting like children–the “daddy” party has become the clubhouse for testosterone-addled juvenile talk-show delinquents–there is a real need for the Administration to be seen as rock-solid and adult. (The CPAC straw poll, which was won by Ron Paul, reinforces the general sense of the G.O.P. as a high school Ayn Rand Fan Club.)

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    GOP = childish and self-serving. Check
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    CPAC = childish and self-promoting. Check.
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    Randism = childish and selfish. Check.
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    Let us know if Klein says something about real libertarianism.

  • 3xfire3

    Exiled,
    You really should stop asking JK such difficult questions. He only likes to answer questions that support his liberal bias or his love affair with Barrack Obama.

  • shepherdwong

    “He only likes to answer questions that support his liberal bias or his love affair with Barrack Obama.”
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    As someone with a “liberal bias”, (I tend to be shockingly in favor of individual rights, just public policy and truth) I can tell you that you can have either a liberal bias or a love affair with Barrack Obama but it’s really tough to have both.

  • rdw56

    Petraeus will have no problem getting Limbaughs support as long as he’s authentivally conservative. Klein’s strawman wasn’t very well constructed. The military was not to be involved in the interrogatons in any way, shape or form. The army field manuel under Sec of Def Dick Cheney had very specific limits on interrogations. Cheney BANNED the military from such interrogations. Petraeus is a brillaint and exceptionally capable man. As a general he’s has extensive executive and political experience and obviously he understands the advantage of a very aggressive military policy. Assuming he’s a lot tax, low spending guy he’d be a great candidate, Also note that when Democrats in Congress tried to get Limbaugh taken off the armed forced network Petraeus was one of the generals who asked Rummy to block the effort.

  • rdw56

    Klein is a funny guy. Like Thomas L Freidman and the clowns at Newsweek Joe has insisted for over a decade he’s a centrist. He’s such a flaming liberal it’s laughable. He is the very definition of out of touch elitist. He is the reason why the MSM has been so ineffective in influencing elections and policies. Polls measuring trust in the MSM are as low as trust in Congress. A few months back he wrote an impossibly stupid post attacking Charles Krauthammer for his support of the invasion of Iraq. CK severed his spine in a diving accident long ago and is confined to a whelchair. Joe suggested the fact he did not go to Iraq, as Joe had done, left him insufficiently nuanced to give advice on Iraq. Even forgetting the slur and classless insult consider the fact that like any self-respecting liberal Joe thinks FDR was the greatest President ever. What was Joe thinking? Did he really forget FDR was the C in C during WWII while he was in a wheelchair? How is that possible? CK never responded and never does to Klein but Joe was widely ridiculed and had to apologize.

  • oizydoizy

    Yes. Have you taken a look at Massachusetts and Rhode Island?

  • rdw56

    Obama is without question a far left radical. The only libs not in love with him are the pacifists and anti-war airheads. You don’t see Klein taking on Obama on anything even though Obama has endorsed virtually ever National security policy of Bush/Cheney including rendition, wireless wiretaps and harsh questioning. He’s not going to try KSM in NYC and he’s not closing gitmo. Both attemps were incompetent. Klein doesn’t even cover the assassination program in Pakistan. All of these thinks are no brainers for the commander in Chief. Obama could whine about it in the Senate because it didn’t matter and his based loved it. He always knew, as did Joe, once he became responsible for protecting the American people he’s keep all of the programs that worked so well in place. The far left whackado’s are upset but everyone else know this was coming, even Andrew Sullivan. The beauty of all this of course is one each party adapts the same policy it becomes the defacto approved policy pollitically unassailable.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Ayn Rand is libertarianism at her core, although an odd, eclectic variance.

  • 3xfire3

    rdw56,
    Excellent post.
    It’s nice to hear from a sane mind once in a while on this very liberal site.
    Joe is very consistent. Obama can do no wrong, the Tea Party’s are wackos, Republicans and Conservatives are evil [or at least always wrong] and liberals are always good.
    If you haven’t noticed yet most people who post on this site are quite liberal. A couple are capable of a rational discussions, but most are over the top and incapable of rational discussions.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Shep~
    I read that more as an assertion that supporting Ron Paul, and his libertarianism, was pedantic, and the Ayn Rand analogy thrown in for good measure, given her discredited breed of libertarianism. You have another interpretation? I’m honestly all ears?

  • stuartzechman

    Obama is without question a far left radical. The only libs not in love with him are the pacifists and anti-war airheads.

    Thanks for making my night.
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    This is one of the more hilariously wrong things I have read online today.
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    “Obama far left radical”?
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    LOL
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    Oh, that’s good. “anti-war airheads”
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    You’re killing me.

  • stuartzechman

    neorationalist86:

    Ayn Rand is libertarianism at her core, although an odd, eclectic variance.

    That’s an interesting assessment, coming from you.
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    Rand’s “Objectivism” purports to know with objective certainty that there is no God, amongst other “truths”.
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    That’s not libertarianism, that’s Maoism, only without the collective.
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    Perhaps more accurately, that’s Marxism in reverse: instead of a utopian dictatorship of the proletariat, she “objectively” envisions a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
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    Oh, right, I almost forgot:
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    The “objective” vision of gender relations in her meritocratic perfection includes a lot of masters of the universe-style rape fantasies.
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    I didn’t think that libertarians were into that whole fetish of hers.

  • stuartzechman

    Joe Klein is a centrist.
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    Read “Stalking the Radical Middle” (link to Joe’s manifesto in Newsweek, 1995) to see his freakish ideology on display.

  • shepherdwong

    “I read that more as an assertion that supporting Ron Paul, and his libertarianism, was pedantic, and the Ayn Rand analogy thrown in for good measure…”
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    And I’m fine with that reading. Paul’s libertarianism isn’t much more mature from an economic policy standpoint, even without Rand’s psychopathology.

  • rdw56

    I don’t think Joe is a centrist. Joe thnks Joe is a centrist. He also thinks he’s objective. He’s a garden variety far left lugnut. That’s what makes him so funny. He’s serious. He thinks he’s in the center.

    There are a dozen MSM columnists in the same boat. they remind me of senators who’ve been in DC fsr too long. it’s not a natural thing. It’s not Joe bidens fault he’s has massive amounts of smoke blown up his ass for 30 years but it is his fault he listend to the BS. John kerry and Al Gore are all the same. These are men of almost no accomplishment except running for office. At least Teddy K was an active Senator writing a ton of legislation as well as a true servent to his state. Romney praised his help s governor. He was the goto guy. Biden is a blowhard. He’s passed almost no legislation.

    Well if you are a columnist Joe’s age you started writing for Time or whatever when it was a major publication and a highly visible perch and almost unassailable. remember we didn’t have search engines and youtube or fox in 1995. It was very hard to fact check these people or read a conservative with a different viewpoint. Now Joe is almost constantly under seige for either a factual error or for contradicting himself on something he wrote last year. IN 1955 we could not check. Now it takes 15 minutes. Joe has had to transition from media star and considered wiseman to a world where more people read the dumb things he says versus his weekly columns. He knows charles Krauthammer and everyone watching Fox considers him a dolt. He’s become guite bitter and often excitable. He was livid over the SBVs as well as the Dan Rather scandal. They were prime examples of the end of his age. He knew Dan was right on the merits and regretted the letter wasn’t authenticated. Joe still holds it was proven a fake. He also holds the SBVs were a disgrace. He still seethes over Fox.

    Another funny bit of Joe regarding Iraq is a very emotional meltdown over the surge where he guarranteed it would fail and was in fact preposterous as an example of sound military strategy. Joe interviewed a number of generals and all told him it was doomed to fail. He still won’t admit he got it all soooo wrong. I think Joe is so preposterous he hurts his own cause. He tried to protect Kerry from the SBVs by ignonring the story expecting without MSM exposure it would go away. It didn’t and Kerry wasted a month and never regained the 5% he lost in the polls. Had kerry not taken MSM advice and help he could have deallt with it quickly and honestly and had a much better chance of winning. This is why Joe cannot help Hamas and the Palestinians. Because he’s so obviously devoid of objectivity he addresses only the narrow audience of people who already agree with him. One of the reasons it took Obama such a long time to realize his Palestinian outreach was in a ditch is because people like Joe were cheerleading for him telling him he was doing a great job. His Cairo speech was a disaster. Everyone knew the next day he alienated the entire jewish population in Israel. Joe never admitted it. Obama still thinks the speech was historic and will be remembered by the ages. It was pathetic.

  • stuartzechman

    I don’t disagree with everything you’ve said, but it still sounds like you either don’t know what “far left” means, or you just use it as some kind of weird insult –because it means “not the same as me” to you.

    Do you think that the hero of Joe’s piece “Stalking the Radical Middle”, Colin Powell, is also a “far left lugnut”?
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    Hint: “far left” means “to the far left of liberals,” not “to the far left of Orrin Hatch.”

  • rdw56

    Obama and Hillary are far left. Colin is a moderate. He’s not a conservative for sure but closer to conservative than liberal.

    Liberals ARE far left. They are 20% of the population. The other 25% who regularly vote democrat are center-left moderates. Many are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Colin is probably fiscally conservative, for a stronger defense than most democrats and generally socially conservative. I think he’s pro-choice and for civil unions but not gay marriage.

    Obama and Hillary have both called themselves progressives in the past. You can’t get farther left. When Obama made that speech in Cairo he really thought it would make a difference. ONly a liberal elitist could be that stupid. When he addressed the Gates arrest by calling the cops stupid he was absolutely expressing far left sentiments as well as being impossibly elitist. Only a Harvard grad could lecture us on stereotyping and then stereotype cops in front of 100M people. Seriously that’s ivy league industrial strength stupid. He’s nationalized GM and put a lawyer in charge with ZERO business experience. he’s authentically shocked anyone really thinks he had another choice. Only a radical lib could be that far gone that the only solution to a business problem is a total got takeover and putting a lawyer in charge. Barak Obama is to the left of Wildrow Wilson. Barak just had to apologize to Vegas for the 3rd time for trashing them. The man is utterly clueless regarding basic economics and commerce. Again, that’s a harvard elitists. He is reflexively anti-business. Even his cabinet is the least experienced in history. Few have ever had a private sector job.

    I know what far left is. It’s not hard. When the most frequent visitors are the unions you are far left. When you promise to double exports while blocking every trade deal you are far left. And, not very bright.. Exports added nearly 2 to GDP during GWBs 8 years, Obama won’t get 1%

  • stuartzechman

    Nope, you don’t know what “far left” means.
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    Are you aware that asserting things IN ALL CAPS doesn’t make these things true? Are you aware that tossing out figures on empirical data without linking to or quoting from the sources of those figures means that those figures are valueless to readers? How do you know these things? What are your sources?
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    Also, you’re not being particularly informative nor accurate:
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    1) Obama and Hillary have both called themselves progressives in the past. You can’t get farther left.

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    Yes, you can. It’s called “democratic socialism,” and its the political philosophy of most of the modern first world.
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    2) When Obama made that speech in Cairo he really thought it would make a difference. ONly a liberal elitist could be that stupid.
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    Maybe it did, maybe it didn’t. Where are the facts? How do you know the speech did or did not do anything for or to anyone at all?
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    3) When he addressed the Gates arrest by calling the cops stupid he was absolutely expressing far left sentiments as well as being impossibly elitist.
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    How do you know that? How do you know that he wasn’t reacting to personal knowledge of reputation of the individual involved? How do you know what “far left sentiments” are with such precision? What does “impossibly elitist” mean?
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    4) Only a Harvard grad could lecture us on stereotyping and then stereotype cops in front of 100M people.
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    What does that even mean? Do you have some weird prejudice against people who graduated from Harvard? Are you aware that Antonin Scalia graduated from Harvard?
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    5) He’s nationalized GM and put a lawyer in charge with ZERO business experience.
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    That’s like saying that when a company goes through bankruptcy, the presiding judge has “ZERO business experience”. Why don’t you tell us some facts about the situation, i.e. the “lawyer”‘s name, and then we can have a discussion?
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    6) he’s authentically shocked anyone really thinks he had another choice.
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    Is the President supposed to govern out of fear of shocking anyone with a different opinion?
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    7) Only a radical lib could be that far gone that the only solution to a business problem is a total got takeover and putting a lawyer in charge.
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    What’s radical about bankruptcy? Do you have something against the FDIC taking over failed banks? What’s liberal about giving tax-payer money to the biggest corporations after their overpaid executives drive them into the ground?
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    8) Barak Obama is to the left of Wildrow Wilson.
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    How so?
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    9) Barak just had to apologize to Vegas for the 3rd time for trashing them.
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    What does that episode have to do with Woodrow Wilson?
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    10) The man is utterly clueless regarding basic economics and commerce.
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    How do you know that? What does that have to do with Las Vegas?
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    11) Again, that’s a harvard elitists.
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    Again, what do you have against the fellow alumni of Scalia? And what does that have to do with Woodrow Wilson or Vegas?
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    12) He is reflexively anti-business.
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    How so? How does giving billions of tax-payer dollars to Citigroup and AIG demonstrate his anti-business reflexes?
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    13) Even his cabinet is the least experienced in history. Few have ever had a private sector job.
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    Again, where are your facts in the form of links and quotes? Are you saying that SecDef Robert Gates is inexperienced and unqualified because of lack of CEO experience? Should Obama’s cabinet be made up of ex-AIG executives?
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    14) I know what far left is. It’s not hard. When the most frequent visitors are the unions you are far left. When you promise to double exports while blocking every trade deal you are far left.
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    No, you don’t. You literally have no idea what the words “far left” mean, you only have epithets and bizarre connections between things you’ve heard going on in your head.
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    “Far left” means “socialist” or “Communist party member” or “South American revolutionary” or “neo-Maoist” or “Trotskyite”.
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    “Far left” means the left-most wing of democratic socialist parties that run the rich, modern, mixed-economy capitalist countries of the first-world, like Germany or Italy or Sweden or the UK.
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    “Far left” does not mean Hillary Clinton when she misuses the buzz-word “progressive”. Hillary Clinton is a centrist, not a Marxist. She’s only “far left” if you put Benito Mussolini to her right.
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    Here is a link to my source for that information, so that you can see for yourself if my assertions are true: link to Third Way wikipedia entry

  • Ike Jakson

    Joe

    What are you trying to tell us in this Post?

    http://ikejakson.wordpress.com/2010/02/22/home-again-and-out-of-touch-2/

  • tjoyce994

    SZ, thanks for doing the heavy lifting. I got a headache just reading the post.

  • apr2563

    stuart: Well done.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    SZ~
    ~
    I’m not saying that I particularly revere Rand’s libertarianism. But, despite her collectivist pseudo-philosophy, her views of government were essentially libertarian. One must extract the socio-political from the philosophical in Rand’s work to find her libertarian slant, but it is there. And, as I pointed out to Shep, I viewed Klein’s remark as insulting Ron Paul and libertarianism by his equation with Ayn Rand, so clearly, I was not speaking positively of her or her views.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    *…objectivist pseudo-philosophy…

  • rdw56

    “How do you know that? How do you know that he wasn’t reacting to personal knowledge of reputation of the individual involved? How do you know what “far left sentiments” are with such precision? What does “impossibly elitist” mean?”

    w know this because there were witnesses who confirmed Gates was a total a-hole and Officer Crowley was professional throughout. We also got to ‘meet’ the good officer and learn he’s a well trainedand highly competent professional. The more interesting aspect though is before Obama put both feet in his mouth he even said he should not prejudge the case because he didn’t have the facts. Now how stupid is that? “I shouldn’t prejudge because I don’t have the facts but I will anyway because I’m so friggin smart I don’t need the facts.” that’s impossibly elitists.

    This was/is a very cool story. It is I think the last press conference he’s held. It was a prime time event to talk about healthcare and he had that question planted at the end and it all blew up in his face. Had Bush made that comment about a black officer arresting a white professor you would have heard the MSM calling Bush a racist from the moon. The best person in the story was the female witness who called the ‘break-in’ into police and then stayed there. Gates used a crowbar to break into the house. The witness was sharp and correct to make the report. Lucky for Office Crowley she stayed and was so credible because she reported Gates was a horses ass while Crowley was polite and professional. A possibility Obama obviously never considered. The next best person is Crowley himself
    because he was so professional. A short time after he was at a national meeting of police officers and received a standing ovation. He did them proud. If you don’t think Obama seriuosly damaged his standing with law enforcement professionals you are a moron. A good cop does outstanding duty in a stressful situation and Barak Obama calls him stupid in a nationally televised press conference. Are you kidding me? That’s called impossibly elitist. Too bad for Obama cops vote. It’s had to say who was the bigger crumb, Obama or Gates. I have to go with Gates. The fool knew houses had been robbed in the neighborhood and after he uses a crowbar to break open his front door he’s shocked cops show up? How does someone that stupid get a job at Harvard? and then he gives the cop grief knowing there’s no way the cop can possibly know if he’s the owner. All he needed to do was show ID. A very simple, reasonable and necessasry request. A no brainer. And Gates calls him the racist.

    Sorry my friend. This was a terrible event for both Obama and Gates. They both insulted everyone in uniform. It’s rare we get such a clear and unambigious picture of a persons character. I think the lawyer for the witness was Gloria aldrich, a well known publicity hog and sharp lawyer. she was terriifc after the fact pointing out the person who should have been invited to the WH for a beer was the person who acted with class and citizenship, the lone female.

  • rdw56

    6) he’s authentically shocked anyone really thinks he had another choice.
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    Is the President supposed to govern out of fear of shocking anyone with a different opinion?

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    Not at all. You miss the point. Only a very far left liberal, or a socialist (same thing) would have looked at the situation at GM and concluded the only possible solution was nationalization.

    Q. What’s the difference between Obama, Castro and Chavez?

    A. none.

  • rdw56

    ) When Obama made that speech in Cairo he really thought it would make a difference. ONly a liberal elitist could be that stupid.
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    Maybe it did, maybe it didn’t. Where are the facts? How do you know the speech did or did not do anything for or to anyone at all?
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    No maybe’s. We know. 1st he infuriated the jews. His bastardized rendition of jewish history was deeply insulting. One poll showed only 4% think he’s pro-Israel. If he thought he might be an ‘honest broker’ for both sides that’s out.

    Obama also wanted signs of cooperation from each of the major arab states including the Sauds and Egypt. He got nothing. It’s been 6 months and he’s got nothing. During this timeframe Egypt escorted two Israel dolphin class subs thru the Suez canal. Israel and the Arabs are openly cooperating on a rance of issues Yet Obama can’t get the arab govts to make a gesture on his own. It’s a preposterous situation. Nothing has happened since the speech except for the collapse of Obamas efforts. That’s called F A I L U R E.

  • rdw56

    No, you don’t. You literally have no idea what the words “far left” mean, you only have epithets and bizarre connections between things you’ve heard going on in your head.
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    “Far left” means “socialist” or “Communist party member” or “South American revolutionary” or “neo-Maoist” or “Trotskyite”.
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    “Far left” means the left-most wing of democratic socialist parties that run the rich, modern, mixed-economy capitalist countries of the first-world, like Germany or Italy or Sweden or the UK.

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    We’re talking USA politics. The rest of the world doesn’t matter. My reference point is our spectrum. being a center-right nation one doesn’t have to go to far too the left to be far left. We don’t have socialists and communists or that other lefty religion, fascists. Bernie Sanders might call himself a socialist but one clown doesn’t count.

    The bottom line is on most things Barak Obama is far to the left of the mainstream as is Hillary. While he’s been surprisingly good on national security, often to the right of Bush, that’s the calculation of a politician who must defeat the terrorists or his political career is over. His insult to the Jews in Cairo and his assumption they must be the ones pressured is classically left wing.

  • rdw56

    ) Only a Harvard grad could lecture us on stereotyping and then stereotype cops in front of 100M people.
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    What does that even mean? Do you have some weird prejudice against people who graduated from Harvard? Are you aware that Antonin Scalia graduated from Harvard?

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    I’m a George Orwell fan and share his healthy contempt for elitists. One quote attributed to him is dead on, “Some things are so stupid only an intellectual could believe”. There are dozens of great litmus test you can ask a person and know immediately of they’re liberal or conservative. Liberals think elitism is a measure of wealth. Conservatives think elitism is a measure of how far one has their head up their arse. There are times I wonder if Harvard takes these smart kids and drills a whole in their heads and sucks all of the common sense out.

    Riddle me this. If I ask you to find me a socialist, someone who really believes fidel and hugo have the right idea, and I gave you two places to look, the faculty lounge at Harvard or the firehouse in south boston, where would you look? It’s a rhetorical question. Obviously the faculty lounge.

    This is Obama’s dilemma. He grew up in Hawaii. Grandmom was a bank VP and he went to exclusive prep schools from the 4th grade on. Grandpop was radical left. Then he went to Occidental, Columbia and Harvards and then to South Chicago. How cold he be anything but a socialist?

    IN his press conference before he called the cop stupid he admitted he should not comment because he did not have the facts. He was impossibly stupid. How can you defend that? Obviously without facts he was making judgements based on his stereotypes. He assumed Gates was mistreated by the cops. This is the President of the USA on National Primetime TV. Are you kidding me? He was bursting at the seams to trash the cops. He was pissed. He was so pissed he wasn’t thinking straight. It was a classless, nasty stupid thing to say and as he was saying it he knew he was wrong.

  • apr2563

    rdw: Does progressive mean far left? How so? The right has demonized liberal. Is progressive now to be demonized?
    Was Eisenhower far left? You know that mililtary/industrial complex thing. The building of federal highways. McCarthy and his cohorts thought he was a sympcom.
    Nixon, far left? Detente with China. Supported Medicare. And, Sammy Davis Jr hugged him.
    Reagan really leftest? Detente with Russia, nuclear arms agreements.
    Bush Sr, leftest? Supported tax increase. Farm subsidies. Threw up on Japanese dignitary.
    Bush Jr. pinko? Medicare Part D. Increased funding for schools and Aids prevention. Loved him some Saudis who dealt with the reds.
    Add to the list. There are many suspect initiatives put forward by Republican Presidents. Would they pass the purity tests? Would the John Birch Society find them suspicious?

  • rdw56

    Far left” means “socialist” or “Communist party member” or “South American revolutionary” or “neo-Maoist” or “Trotskyite”.

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    Not in America. We put these kinds of people in asylumns or give them heavy medication. They’re not valid options. We know of them from a historical perspective. That’s not to say these terms aren’t bandied about regularly in academia and you get some unemployed bufoons on Grennich Village babble on about their drug induced fantacies bit in terms of a recognizaeble movement capablt of getting 1% of the vote you could add all of these together and not get 1/2%.

    Far left in america means you might be dumb enough to support tax increases.

  • rdw56

    rdw: Does progressive mean far left? How so? The right has demonized liberal. Is progressive now to be demonized?
    Was Eisenhower far left? You know that mililtary/industrial complex thing. The building of federal highways.

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    Hillary and Obama use liberal and progressive interchangeably. They’re looking for a new term because Liberal has such a bad connotation. It’s silly actually.

    Ike was an old time moderate republican, not a conservative. Building highways and dams and large infrastructure projects require govt involvement. Federal workers didn’t actually build the interstates. The Feds managed it because only they can. The vast majority of the work was private contractors. His quote on the military-indusrial complex is laughable in part because of the economic boom his interstate created. If you didn’t know Ike is a top10 President in part for that program. Ike created the burbs. The fact is defense spending is a small percent of total GDP and hardly the problem liberals feared. They tried to slime Cheney and Haliburton the last 8 years and it was a joke. Haliburton made a fortune off Iraq and as everyone but a few liberal airheads knew Cheney as VP had to divest all of his assets into a blind trust. Plus he’s already a wealthy man who along with his wife contributes nearly 40% of his income to charities. Darth Vader loved being Darth Vader. Libs loved targeting him. Fine plan. No one got hurt and liibs vented uselessly.

  • rdw56

    Bush Jr. pinko? Medicare Part D. Increased funding for schools and Aids prevention.

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    Unfortunately yes. GWB was a bit disappointment on spending. I was ok giving the old farts prescriptions but that education bill was shameful. I had to lower GWBs grade to an A.

  • rdw56

    13) Even his cabinet is the least experienced in history. Few have ever had a private sector job.
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    Again, where are your facts in the form of links and quotes? Are you saying that SecDef Robert Gates is inexperienced and unqualified because of lack of CEO experience? Should Obama’s cabinet be made up of ex-AIG executives?

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    You’ve got to expand past lberal sites. The chart of cabinet expereince is all over the good blogs. Try national review, powerline, contentiions, instapundit. Gates was an excellent appointment but Obama didn’t appoint him or Petraeus. Hillary is a bufoon with no diplomatic experience put there almost certainly because he wanted her out of the Senate where she’s be a potential rival. Gaithers is fine but most of the rest are bureaucrats hacks.

  • rdw56

    0) The man is utterly clueless regarding basic economics and commerce.
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    How do you know that? What does that have to do with Las Vegas?
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    11) Again, that’s a harvard elitists.
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    Again, what do you have against the fellow alumni of Scalia? And what does that have to do with Woodrow Wilson or Vegas?
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    12) He is reflexively anti-business.

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    Obama is in deep trouble in nevada because he keeps telling people to stay away. They’re outraged for good reason. You need to visit other sites. Scalia isn’t an elitist. He doesn’t act like he is smarter than anyline else although he is smarted than everyione else. It’s the snobbery.

    Look back at Kerry and the SBVs remember all that noise over Kerrys’ records which he could have settled in a day if he just signed the release as GDB did years before as soon as he was asked. kerry refused to sign. Want to know why. As libs are wont to do he made it clear he was much smarter than GWB. He was in fact pretty condescending. Among his military records are aptitude test and other academic scores. If Kerry released his records the world finds out he’s NOT smarter than GWB and what liberal could handle that level of humiliation. Kerry is an elitists prick. D student Al Gore is as well.

    Do you remember the day before the Bush-Gore debates the MSM getting nervous realizing they had built up the D students intellectual creds so much the public was expecting the brilliant inventor of the interent to evicerate GWB. It was going to be a huge intellectual mismatch. Then they realized if Al didn’t crush GWB he’s look like a fool. I think it was Joe Klein who said, Bush merely needs to avoid slobbering all over himself to win this one. If you recall after the debates Al trialed GWB the elections and then got trounced by 500 votes.

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