Evan Bayh To Retire

Chris Cillizza is reporting that the Indiana Senator will announce his retirement at a news conference today. That almost certainly hands his seat over to the Republicans, and makes the prospect of the Democrats losing the Senate this fall seem more than a theoretical possibility.

Republicans have been saying that Indiana was the sleeper Senate race of this cycle, and that their candidate, former Senator Dan Coats, had a good shot of winning, despite Bayh’s longstanding popularity in Indiana. Still, as Cillizza notes, polling has shown Bayh 20 points ahead, and he had $13 million in the bank.

Those close to him say that Bayh has been increasingly restive in the Senate. He had also grown more disillusioned about his prospects there. He had been on the running-mate short lists of three successive Democratic presidential nominees, endured the vetting process, and then seen the nod go to someone else. Says one adviser of Bayh’s move: “He wavered a little because Coats and the Republican attacks got his juices flowing, but this is the right decision.”

So what next? I wouldn’t be surprised to see him somewhere in the Obama cabinet at some point. And he has also talked about going home to Indiana to run again for his old job as Governor, which he once told me was far more fun and interesting than being in a legislative body. It also might be a better springboard for the national ambitions of a politician who, at 54, has plenty of time to consider his political future.

UPDATE: The filing deadline is Friday, which means the Democrats have very little time to find another candidate.

Related Topics: 2010 midterm elections, evan bayh, indiana, retire, Senate, Uncategorized
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  • freeinpa

    “I wouldn’t be surprised to see him somewhere in the Obama cabinet at some point.”
    ==
    “Those close to him say that Bayh has been increasingly restive in the Senate.”

    ==
    This is a Democrat who has become increasingly at odds with left wing Democratic party. He being restive as you state may not be an indication that he will become a member of Obama’s cabinet . As the reality of an incompetent President grows, he may be the 2012 challenger in the Presidential election.
    =
    Given the arrogance and ego of Obama it would be an interesting Democratic convention.

  • kevin

    KT, given that the filing deadline for the Indiana primary is tomorrow at noon, doesn’t this seem like bizarre timing for his sudden withdrawal? He’s practically handing the seat to the Republicans.

  • allthingsinaname

    “It also might be a better springboard for the national ambitions of a politician who, at 54, has plenty of time to consider his political future.”

    Well let’s see what happens. He announced his retirement with 5 days left to file for the race, leaving the Democrats in a lurch. I guess his political ambitions does not include being a Democrat?

  • Matt

    He was easily winning his reelection fight against a weak GOP opponent, so that should have been no reason to pull out. Did he see troubles in the polls the rest of us are not aware of?

    This is an unbelievable boost for Republicans.

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    i just checked. the filing deadline is friday, but yes, this is going to make it very hard for them to find a credible democratic candidate.

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Don’t let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out.

  • kevin

    A little better, but still …
    .
    I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that Bayh would only be looking out for himself here.

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    Republicans had told me that his numbers among independents were weaker than they should have been. But I had first heard rumors that he wanted to retire back in December.

  • Ivy_B

    According to Markos on twitter, when asked if there was a credible Democrat to run for Bayh’s seat – “Hill, Ellsworth, Donnelly, Andrew. Bench is deep.”

    As to his waiting so close to the deadline, just one last favor for the Republicans he has served so well.

    Wonder if his behavior was a result of his being passed over for VP – as some think Lieberman’s actions are a result of his being primaried out by Lamont.

  • Paul-no not that one

    If the Indianapolis Star is accurate -

    “Only days ago, Bayh’s staff, close associates and Indiana Democratic Party Chairman Dan Parker, who was manager of Bayh’s re-election campaign, had assured an Indianapolis Star reporter hat he would definitely seek a third term in the U.S. Senate”

    and with the timing so close to the filing deadline it makes me wonder if there isn’t a personal reason for the quitting.

  • freeinpa

    Yes it is difficult to understand for the far left here but despite protestations to the contrary, the Democratic party has been overtaken by the crackpots. I think this is Evan Bayh’s form of non-violent protest. He has seen the public attitude change drastically in the past 12 months and he seems to be placing his bet on being on the correct side of that anger.

  • Ivy_B

    Of course the GOP is full of hypocrites and liars, so don’t imagine Bayh wants that much to do with them.

    http://openleft.com/diary/17398/gop-demands-white-house-post-health-care-proposal-online-then-attacks-wh-for-doing-exactly-that

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    It’s a bench, but none of those guys has statewide name recognition or organization that comes close to Bayh’s in what is basically a Republican state.

  • Ivy_B

    Thanks, KT. Wondered about that.

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    Bayh once told me that Indiana is a hard state to run statewide in. To hit much of it on the air, you have to buy Chicago TV.

  • hms09ky

    Like Tom Daschle, Bayh will undoubtedly join a lobbying firm–probably for health insurance companies like WellPoint/Anthem. His wife sits on their board.

  • allthingsinaname

    Freeinpa, Are you saying he has put on a pair of Palin’s panties? I can better serve by not serving?

  • cfukara

    ” .. makes the prospect of the Democrats losing the Senate this fall seem more than a theoretical possibility. ..”

    If the lose it, I shall waste no tears. The DEMs had the overwhelming filibuster-proof majority – and they wasted it pussyfooting around on critical legislation. Smart guys, eh?

  • stuartzechman

    http://twitter.com/pourmecoffee

    @pourmecoffee: If you truly love Evan Bayh, SET HIM FREE. If he comes back, it’ll be to lobby for Wellpoint.

  • kevin

    Heh.
    .
    Or maybe he suddenly announced his retirement so he could take over Tauzin’s seat at PhRMA.

  • stuartzechman

    http://twitter.com/ggreenwald

    @ggreenwald How long will it be before Evan Bayh joins Dan Coats’ lobbying firm? Maybe Bayh and Coats can switch jobs.

  • allthingsinaname

    TPM’s Update

    But Bayh’s timing seems to have made it all but impossible for Indiana Democrats to hold a primary for his seat. The deadline for petition filings is tomorrow. (The formal ‘filing’ deadline is Friday. But our understanding is that the signatures actually have to be in tomorrow — though we’re trying to get further confirmation on that point.) So that means that prospective candidates need to decide to run and collect all the necessary signatures in about 36 hours. In other words, all but an impossibility. And it’s not even really clear who the potential other candidates are.

    To be clear, that does not mean that no Democrat will appear on the ballot in November. It means that the party apparatus will choose a candidate, rather than have one chosen through a primary — if in fact no filings take place in time.

  • FlownOver

    There’s not much point in having a majority like the current craven crowd, so toodle-oo, Evan. Too bad you didn’t inherit your father’s guts.

    Meanwhile, the GOP would have to score a 67-seat majority to do any serious damage, so I guess we can all settle in for an extended stretch of our do-nothing Congress. Dog bites man.

  • stuartzechman

    http://twitter.com/ggreenwald

    @ggreenwald Doesn’t Evan Bayh have a sibling or a child or something to whom he can bequeath his seat? http://is.gd/8gDfi

  • diecash1

    Karen — According to Josh Marshall at TPM, the official filing deadline is Friday but the signatures need to be in tomorrow making it virtually impossible for any Democratic candidate to meet the deadline. Is this accurate?

  • square1

    he may be the 2012 challenger in the Presidential election.
    .
    Perhaps the worst political analysis of all time.

  • allthingsinaname

    Too bad we can’t’ get 99 more announcements

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    That was part of the problem, actually. With 60 votes or close to it, Bayh was under more pressure to vote with the party–and at odds with the views of people in his generally conservative state. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was thinking of what happened to his dad.

  • megatronrises

    You’re sounding more and more like the Rusty’s rambling. I’d give the name calling and unfounded superlatives a break.

  • allthingsinaname

    I do not know, with a 20 point lead, it seems to me that he was acting the way they wanted him to. Maybe that was the problem.

  • Tom in The Swamp

    I’m guessing PhRMA just offered Bayh Billy Tauzin’s old job.

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    He went along with the party on the health care vote, but he was pretty outspoken about not wanting to do reconciliation. In the end, though, if they needed him, it was hard to imagine that he wouldn’t be there.

  • tharwatfawzi

    Although not American, we all pray that the Democratic Party will remain united in pursuing the noble objectives it set for itself – with
    President Obama -for the sake of all Americans and all in the world – and not to now betray these noble values for the benefit of few.

  • allthingsinaname

    Forces beyond his control, making him make decisions that would expose his true nature? Perahps the Dem. Party is begining to stir, what is a vote for Health Care if one sees that it will not pass? What happens though if the WH gets behind it, and exposes the Rep’s plan for the hoax that it is? What does a guy like Bayh do? I think he sees that he will forced to make some tough decisions, he doesn’t want to.

  • http://twitter.com/ktumulty Karen Tumulty

    Interestng stats to remember: Bayh got 62% of the vote in Indiana in 2004–a year when Bush won the state by 20 points. (Obama won it in 2008 by less than 1%, in what was probably the biggest surprise of the day.)

  • shepherdwong

    “…Bayh was under more pressure to vote with the party–and at odds with the views of people in his generally conservative state.”
    .
    You mean like supporting Republican filibusters so he could scuttle a public option? It seems to me he chose to vote against his party and “at odds with the views of people in his generally conservative state.” He’s a corporatist whore. How about it Karen, giving one of the oligarchy’s minions a little cover he doesn’t deserve?
    .
    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/29/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5451274.shtml

  • freeinpa


    Perhaps the worst political analysis of all time.”

    I find that high praise from a group who in the previous year has been boasting of the permanent demise of the Republican Party and the dominance of the permanent power of the Democratic party.

  • hotbbq

    If they lose it, I shall waste no tears.

    Ditto. Now that the Democrats do not have sixty votes I don’t mind if every blue dog goes out to pasture. If the Republicans manage to gain both house of Congress and the Presidency, so be it to. The story will remain the same until the Baby Boomers are all too decrepit to serve public office.

  • freeinpa

    No what I am saying is the left is in free fall and those with any (political) sense and possibly other ambitions are running frantically from the sinling Democratic ship.

  • freeinpa

    SZ:

    That worked out well for Biden didn’t it

  • freeinpa

    allthingsinana…

    Too bad we can’t’ get 99 more announcements

    ==
    For once, I agree with you 100%

  • Paul-no not that one

    “I wouldn’t be surprised if he was thinking of what happened to his dad.”
    .
    “Bayh got 62% of the vote in Indiana in 2004–a year when Bush won the state by 20 points.”
    .
    So you are thinking that after winning so easily in the past and leading Coates in the polls currently AND with his already large bankroll in hand he was worried about losing?
    .
    I’m sticking with my hunch from earlier, there is something in his personal life driving this sudden decision.

  • kevin

    Right, because in the alternate reality where freeinpa lives, Beau Biden actually chose to run for his father’s Senate seat and then lost badly in the election.
    .
    What color is the sky in BizarroLand?

  • johnnyninetynine

    Why did Evan Bayh wait until there were only a few days left for a Democratic candidate to file? The answer is obvious. Evan tipped off one person — the person he really wanted to have his seat — months ago. That way this person will “owe” Evan big time, if he or she gets elected.

    Goes to show you Evan doesn’t care about the people of Indiana, or about the Democratic Party, as much as Evan cares about Evan.

    We will know soon enough who Evan’s “chosen one” is. And it will be obvious this person has known about this “surprise” fro months.

  • freeinpa

    Kevin:

    Speaking of bizarro world, maybe when (more likely if) you enter reality, Beau Biden chose not to run for the bequeathed seat because he say the writing on the wall for Democrats. A reality that left loons like you still haven’t faced.

  • stuartzechman

    This is good blogging, KT.
    .
    You’re there with the numbers, you’re there with the key reminders, you’re engaged with commentary, lovely stuff.

  • Ivy_B
  • Ivy_B

    Comment from Will_Bunch via Twitter Bayh only had one true constituency, the media — b/c he propped up their BS centrism-will-save-America fairy tale.

  • allthingsinaname

    Well he says our government is broken, so he is leaving. There goes part of the problem.

  • kevin

    So 13 House Democrats and 3 Senate Democrats announce they will not run in the fall, and that means the Democrats are in freefall?
    .
    What then does it mean that 18 House Republicans and 6 Senate Republicans have announced that they won’t run in the fall? Is that just more proof that the Democrats are in freefall?

  • kevin

    I’m not sure what “writing on the wall” it was that you think Beau Biden “say”?
    .
    The polling had him steadily gaining ground on the Republican Mike Castle. Castle had a 21 point edge in April 2009, but by November 2009, Biden had a 5 point lead.
    .
    http://washingtonindependent.com/67953/poll-beau-biden-grabs-lead-in-delaware-senate-race
    .
    A 25 point swing in his favor is “writing on the wall” that he would lose?
    .
    Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

  • shepherdwong

    Bayh’s “constituency” is his corporate paymasters, the constituency the media won’t tell you about.

  • apr2563

    free: If you haven’t noticed, Bayh is despised by the Democratic base. He has zero chance of getting a presidential nomination.
    The only people predicting the demise of the Republican party was the press. They did the same thing a few years back about the Dems. Stupid is as stupid does.

  • apr2563

    Also, I think it is more likely he will go to work for one of those special interests he has been apprenticing for all this time.

  • apr2563

    Karen, from the poll numbers against Bayh, Coats wasn’t exactly setting Indiana on fire. As a ex-Washington Senate insider and lobbyist for 2 firms, one foreign, I don’t see a big constituency for him. Name recognition may not matter.

  • apr2563

    I have often wondered if Birch Bayh wasn’t disappointed in his son’s Senate career. Bayh the elder was a great advocate for progressive causes. He eventually lost to that shell of a politician, Dan Quayle. Quayle, of course, ran a scorch and burn campaign about Bayh’s “liberal” voting record.
    Evan Bayh sure was never in his father’s mold.
    Adios and good riddance.

  • freeinpa

    apr2563

    Bitter and wrong is not a flattering combination.

    There was more than one post here by your beloved posters that thought the election was a forever mandate. It was not just the press.
    ==
    The base may not like Bayh, but the base will not elect a President. Obama (and the newly Democrats) ran on the lie of being centrists. That charade is over.

  • freeinpa

    Kevin:

    Believe what you want and you will since reality is a fleeting concept. Evidence is coming out daily that the Democrats and their policies are in free fall.
    ==

    Click your heels 3 times Dorothy your are not in Kansas anymore.

  • apr2563

    free: Who do you think will be the Republican that will win the next Presidential election?

  • freeinpa

    Kevin:

    Problem with THIS analysis of yours is Beau wasn’t being elected in November of 2009. The Brown election ended the Democratic nonsense.

    Please have your reality checked. It is liking arguing with a 5 year old.

    ==

    PS There is no Santa Claus either. And global warming is a lie. Sorry your world is shattering around you.

  • apr2563

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-sledge/evan-bayhs-very-long-2009_b_462736.html
    Matt Sledge article on Bayh’s special interest connections and his wife’s 2 million dollar association to Wellpoint.
    Free: unlike the Republican robots, the Democratic base does not want corrupt pols in our ranks. We can be critical of our party.

  • kevin

    Yes, I’m the one denying reality, what with all the facts, figures, polling data, and statistical evidence I use to build my conclusions.

  • Ivy_B

    Matt Dunn on HuffPo points out that PA Senate candidate Pat Toomey immediately had Google ads up on Bayh search. Don’t be surprised if Toomey beats whomever and PA is stuck with someone worse than Rick Santorum.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-dunn/toomeys-advertising-on-ba_b_462814.html

  • kevin

    Please have your reality checked. It is liking arguing with a 5 year old.
    .
    Ooh, is it liking that? That must be reel tuff fer yu.

  • freeinpa

    apr2563:

    I have no idea. I think Gingrich, Romney and possibly Guiliani will throw their hats into the ring. History tells us it will be someone from out of nowhere.

  • freeinpa

    Kevin:

    The only problem with the facts statistics and analysis you is is from equally medicated left wing numb nuts. That is your reality

  • freeinpa

    Kevin:

    No its actually embarrassing. I am waiting to hear from the folks form Time.com to quit responding to you or I may be hit with child abuse.

  • freeinpa

    “unlike the Republican robots, the Democratic base does not want corrupt pols in our ranks”
    ==
    Seriously?? Are you trying out for Letterman. Or since the newspapers doesn’t mention the party affilation of those pols you assume they aren’t Demos?

    ==
    Please stop while you have a shred of credibility left.

  • freeinpa

    We already do. His name is Specter

  • kevin

    So the fact that there are more Republicans retiring in both houses of Congress than there are Democrats retiring … that’s a left-wing lie?

  • kevin

    As always, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

  • virginiagentleman

    I think the media are overreacting a bit in terms of this as “great news for the Republicans.” The Democratic party in Indiana will likely get to choose a candidate, instead of holding a primary. They will (hopefully) pick one of the more promising candidates from their Congressional roster.

    On the other hand, it appears the Republicans will have Dan Coats as their candidate, and, while he’s a former Senator, he hasn’t lived in the state in years, has become a Washington lobbyist and apparently has been quoted as saying how much better living in North Carolina is than living in Indiana (?). In other words, he’s beatable.

    I think in many ways the best thing the Dems can do is let a number of incumbents go by the wayside (cough-Arlen Specter-cough) and run fresh faces, from the House or from the ranks of state politicians. Run hard, run in support of current Democratic policies, push hard the message of the Republicans as the “Party of No” and be ready to work hard for every vote. If they can find candidates who can do this, the Dems won’t lose as many seats as it appears now.

  • cfukara

    kevin: “Is that just more proof that the Democrats are in freefall?”
    :-)

    —- from the unabashed cfukara dictionary
    Definition:
    Looney Liberal: An extreme functionary, often a christianist, who thinks liberal, hugs a socialist bible and loves getting free and cheap things (as in free slave labour or cheap alien babysitters) but acts and dreams rightist militant – who vociferously hates giving free or cheap anything (as in assured medical care for dear, old grandma or a subsidized public option for fellow Americans who can’t afford HC.)

    Example: freeinpa is a merry looney liberal

  • stuartzechman

    freeinpa:
    .
    No, really, we don’t want corrupt pols in our ranks.
    .
    That’s a big reason why we despise Bayh, why nobody’s weeping today despite the likely loss of a Senate seat for us.

  • apr2563

    free: this is an example of your astute political knowledge. History tells us that the Republican party picks the next person in line for their nominee.
    Who was the last person nominated by the Republicans that came out of nowhere? Let’s see:
    Dewey, Eisenhower, Nixon, Goldwater, Ford, Reagan, Bush, and Bush, McCain all expected nominees. Nixon, Dewey, and Reagan had run for the nomination before. Eisenhower was recruited by the GOP and had no realistic opponent. All the times Taft dipped his toe in, he never had a chance. Goldwater was recruited and expected. Ford, incumbent. Bush Jr promoted by Rove and party elders. McCain next in line. No surprises. I would guess, if the evangelicals can put aside their prejudices, Romney will be the next Rep candidate. Wish it were Palin, but still an easy conquest for Obama.
    By the way Free, much as I am loathe to be so personal, you are an IDIOT.

  • megatronrises

    O wayward freeinpa!
    .
    Obama is quite centrist – so centrist he offered to negotiate nuclear power (gasp!) and offshore drilling (double gasp!!) as possible points of compromise between the two parties. He also incorporated a few wise Republican pieces of legislation into the health care bill. Also, the left now dislikes Obama (triple gasp!!!) – for the exact reason he is too moderate. Moderate Republicans are a thing of the past – on the national stage, centrists simply have a hard time getting elected.
    .

  • kevin

    Go to any liberal blog and do a search for the name William Jefferson, the crooked Democratic congressman who got caught with $90,000 in cash in his damn freezer, and see if you find anyone who defended him.
    .
    DailyKos immediately had posts denouncing him as a “crook,” TalkingPointsMemo started calling him “Dollar Bill Jefferson” in mocking posts, Atrios demanded he resign immediately, etc. etc.

  • jcapan

    Add me to the list of the delighted. Better a conservative repub in office than a conservative dem.

  • freeinpa

    SZ:

    First of all, it is an arrogant, idiotic statement to say Repubs want corrupt pols but Demos won’t stand for them.

    Second, describing Bayh as corrupt, is at best unfair when there is the likes of Barney Frank, Charlies Rangel, Schumer, Waters, Dodd, Conrad among others that are in Congress. As long as they vote for the radical agendas the left wants they get a pass on being corrupt.

    Finally, no one may have defended Jefferson but neither did his comrades in the Democratic party force him to resign. He was under indictment, the corrupt activities of the above are left to the Ethics Ctm. controlled by ..wait for it… the Democrats.

  • freeinpa

    You and Kevin must have been separated at birth. Yet, your ignorance and stupidity grow exponential, in tandem by the day.

  • freeinpa

    Kevin:

    “As always, I have no idea what you’re talking about”

    I rest my case. If the species depended on you for survival, we would be extinct.

  • freeinpa

    apr2563:

    I guess you know idiots since you face one each day in the mirror.

    When the party is out of power for the presidency, an unknown comes to the front. The elder statesman of the party may be the initial favorite but has not been successful. Your history is a dumb as your reasoning
    ==
    . When there is a VP, they are typically the chosen one as was the case with Ford and Bush 1. Although that doesn’t hold for Democrats as both VPs that ran Mondale and Gore lost. The establishment party was pushing Dole or Bush 1. Reagan hit a cord with the party base and won. McCain was the favorite in 2000 but lost to the outsider in Bush2.
    ==
    megatronrises

    Anyhting to the right of Alinsky and Obama is considered centrist by the left. Any feeble attempts now by Obama to adopt any parts of the Republican agenda is his desperation to salvage a sinking presidency.

  • freeinpa

    Kevin:

    Republicans usually tire of the nonsense in Wahington and retire. Democrats leave by three primary means:
    1) death
    2) fear of losing (they won’t even fight for their job
    3) indictment

  • http://ultraradicalmoderate.wordpress.com ultraradicalmoderate

    Could it be that he got discouraged by the hyperpartisanship and realized that there isn’t any room in Congress for collaboration and congeniality?

  • apollyon07

    free I would argue that it was the Democratic legislature candidates that ran as centrists (and in some cases, conservatives) moreso than Obama, especially in 2006.
    .
    And yes I also remember QUITE a few people on here crowing that the Republican Party was nearing it’s end not too long ago. What a difference half a year makes.

  • apr2563

    free, since all you seem to be able to muster is name calling, I wasn’t calling you an idiot because of your lack of historical knowledge. I am calling you an idiot in general. By the way, Reagan had run for the nomination 4 years earlier. He was not a neophyte. Goldwater may be the only candidate that was a bit of a surprise. That is because the Republicans were going through one of their periodical purges of moderates in their party and could not abide Rockefeller as their nominee.
    By the way, read the Matt Sledge link I posted above, and you will learn why we despise Bayh.

  • apollyon07
  • megatronrises

    Freeinpa:

    And apparently, everyone left of of Rush Limbaugh is a pansy:
    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1960311,00.html

  • stuartzechman

    freeinpa:
    .
    I see, I didn’t understand you were referring to the “Repubs want corrupt pols” statement.
    .
    As far as tolerating corruption in exchange for far left votes, even if far left votes were ever on the table (which they’re not, hence no single-payer, unlimited DOD pork, endless foreign adventures, destruction of the New Deal regulatory framework, proposals for wage-lowering “immigration reform”, “entitlement commissions,” etc, etc, etc) a majority of us on the left (not the “pragmatic” center) wouldn’t tolerate that deal.

  • stuartzechman

    He’s not conservative, he believes in big government.

  • kevin

    Fair enough, apollo.
    .
    I should remember the words of Mark Twain: “Never argue with an idiot. They will only pull you down to their level, then beat you with experience.”
    .
    What happened to the conservatives here who had actual ideas, like Exiled at Home? Has the entire party been taken over by the lunatics?

  • freeinpa

    apr2563
    “free, since all you seem to be able to muster is name calling, I wasn’t calling you an idiot because of your lack of historical knowledge. I am calling you an idiot in general.”

    Your absudity never ends. You start by saying I name call the you proceed to do it. After apprarently choosing not to read what I wrote, or were unable to comprehend it or as liberals are wont to do ignore fo rtheir own truth.
    ==
    You then proceed to contradict your own assertion concerning Goldwater..

    ==
    Step away from the keyboard and rest.

  • freeinpa

    megaontron:

    The only man on the left is Maddow

  • apollyon07

    kevin, I wasn’t really disparaging either one of you two in particular, just the tone of the arguments, and perhaps the tone on here in general.

  • freeinpa

    apollyon07:

    First thanks for the rational response. It is a pleasant change from the normal (?) ones here today. Cabin fever has spiked I guess.

    ==
    Anyway I tend to agree with you. The Democrats made a very successful effort to recruit candidates that wer moderate or could believably relate to some of the more traditional Republican values. They were rewarded for their efforts.
    ==
    I do however, disagree that Obama ran as a moderate. Any casual inspection of his speeches, interviews or actions should have (and did with conservatives) raised major red flags. The media was in love and he received not only a pass but protection for his beliefs. Now that he has tried to enact them and the moderates and the independents have awakened and gagged, his agenda is swirling the drain.
    ==

    I am also glad to see with someone with an accurate memory of the victory dance folks were doing on the Republican Party’s grave. I hope Republicans have a better memory.

  • Ivy_B

    Excellent article about Bayh and his career via Joan Walsh.

    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/02/15/evan_bayh_quits

  • http://ultraradicalmoderate.wordpress.com ultraradicalmoderate

    Though I believe that Obama ran as a moderate, he’s not leading as one. Perhaps it was a ruse or perhaps it was a combination of the GOP resolve to bring him down together with his unfortunate Senate supermajority. He should have taken the high road even at the expense of his leftist agenda. He should have accepted less than what he wanted on healthcare. He should have listened to the people rather than his liberal advisers. He should have vetoed spending bills with earmarks. He should have called Reid on the carpet for the backroom dealings with Nelson. He messed up and the vultures are circling in hopes of additional failures.
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    The GOP is pouring gas on the fire so they can Rush in to offer their hose as the best one to put it out.
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    It’s a sad time in politics. God have mercy on us.

  • jcapan

    Good pt. A hard habit to break. Better a corp-repub than corp-dem. Careless given how much I hate it when those on the right call neo-liberals liberals.

  • iggydwonderllama

    The following is an email from Evan Bayh (to I presume people on his Indiana contact list):

    Thank you, Indiana

    I would like to begin by acknowledging some people to whom I owe a great debt of gratitude.

    First, my wife Susan, who for 25 years has stood by my side and without whose love and support so much I have been privileged to do would never have been possible. As my father told me the day we were married: “Son, you definitely married up.”

    Second, my wonderful children, Beau and Nick, who I love so much and of whom I am so proud. Being their father is the most important job I will ever have.

    Next, my staff members—past and present—who have worked so hard and sacrificed so much for the people of our state. There is not one that couldn’t have made more money and worked fewer hours doing something else. They have always managed to make me look much better than I deserve.

    Most importantly, the people of Indiana, who for almost a quarter century have placed their trust and welfare in my hands. No one could ask for a better boss or a greater honor.

    I was raised in a family that believes public service is the highest calling in the church, that what matters is not what you take from life, but what you give back. I believe that still.

    For almost all of my adult life, I have been privileged to serve the people of Indiana in elective office.
    As Secretary of State, I worked to reform our election laws to ensure that every vote counts. I cast the deciding vote in the closest congressional race in the nation for a member of the other political party, because I believed he had legitimately won the election.

    As Governor, I worked with an outstanding team to balance the budget, cut taxes, leave the largest surplus in state history, create the most new jobs in any eight-year period, increase funding for schools every year, make college more affordable, and reform welfare to emphasize work. We raised water quality standards, created more new state parks than any time since the 1930s, and raised the penalties for violent crime.

    In the Senate, I have continued to fight for the best interests of our state. I have worked with Hoosier workers and businesses, large and small, in the defense sector, the life sciences, the medical device industry, autos, steel, recreational vehicle manufacturing, and many, many more, to save and create jobs.

    Since 9/11, I have fought to make our nation safe with a national security approach that is both tough and smart. I have championed the cause of our soldiers to make sure they have the equipment they need in battle and the health care they deserve when they get home.

    I have often been a lonely voice for balancing the budget and restraining spending. I have worked with Democrats, Republicans, and Independents alike to do the nation’s business in a way that is civil and constructive.

    I am fortunate to have good friends on both sides of the aisle, something that is much too rare in Washington today.
    After all these years, my passion for service to my fellow citizens is undiminished, but my desire to do so by serving in Congress has waned. For some time, I have had a growing conviction that Congress is not operating as it should. There is too much partisanship and not enough progress — too much narrow ideology and not enough practical problem-solving. Even at a time of enormous challenge, the peoples’ business is not being done.

    Examples of this are legion, but two recent ones will suffice.

    Two weeks ago, the Senate voted down a bipartisan commission to deal with one of the greatest threats facing our nation: our exploding deficits and debt. The measure would have passed, but seven members who had endorsed the idea instead voted “no” for short-term political reasons.

    Just last week, a major piece of legislation to create jobs — the public’s top priority — fell apart amid complaints from both the left and right.

    All of this and much more has led me to believe that there are better ways to serve my fellow citizens, my beloved state, and our nation than continued service in Congress.

    To put it in words most people can understand: I love working for the people of Indiana, I love helping our citizens make the most of their lives, but I do not love Congress. I will not, therefore, be a candidate for election to the Senate this November.

    My decision should not be interpreted for more than it is: a very difficult, deeply personal one. I am an executive at heart. I value my independence. I am not motivated by strident partisanship or ideology. These traits may be useful in many walks of life, but they are not highly valued in Congress.

    My decision should not reflect adversely upon my colleagues who continue to serve in the Senate. While the institution is in need of significant reform, there are many wonderful people there. The public would be surprised and pleased to know that those who serve them in the Senate, despite their policy and political differences, are unfailingly hard-working and devoted to the public good as they see it. I will miss them.

    I particularly value my relationship with Senator Dick Lugar and have often felt that if all Senators could have the cooperative relationship we enjoy, the institution would be a better place.

    My decision should not reflect adversely upon the President. I look forward to working with him during the next 11 months to get our deficit under control, get the economy moving again, regulate Wall Street to avoid future financial crises, and reform education so that all children can fulfill their God-given potential. This is the right agenda for America.

    My decision was not motivated by political concern. Even in the current challenging environment, I am confident in my prospects for re-election. Five times over the last 24 years, I have been honored by the people of Indiana with electoral success. But running for the sake of winning an election, just to remain in public office, is not good enough. And it has never been what motivates me.

    At this time, I simply believe I can best contribute to society in another way: creating jobs by helping grow a business, helping guide an institution of higher learning, or helping run a worthy charitable endeavor.

    In closing, let me say this: Words cannot convey nor can I adequately express my gratitude to the great people of Indiana.

    I will never forget those I have been privileged to serve and those who have so kindly supported me. I have always tried to remember that my job is to work for Hoosiers, not the other way around.

    I am constantly reminded that if Washington, D.C., could be more like Indiana, Washington would be a better place.
    Lastly, let me reiterate my deep and abiding love for our nation and my optimism for our future. These are difficult times for America. But we have seen difficult days before, and we will see better days again. With all our faults, we are an exceptional people.

    I look forward to continuing to do my part to meet the challenges we face as a private citizen, to work for solutions not slogans, progress not politics, so that our generation can do what Americans have always done: convey to our children, and our children’s children, an America that is stronger, more prosperous, more decent, and more just.

    Thank you again. May God bless you all.

  • iggydwonderllama

    I personally disapprove of Evan Bayh’s policies, and find the part about the jobs bill notable. It’s a clear distortion, with no mention of the alternative bill introduced. The fact that he supported the original is both unsurprising and saddening.

  • kevin

    Oh, that’s how I took it, and frankly, it was warranted.

  • kerryzaputz

    I never thought that much of Bayh. However, now that I hear he’s doing this to ‘dis Harry Reid, I’m digging old Evan. Evan, you de man!!

  • freeinpa

    apollyon07

    You have to excuse Kevin, sicne HC went down in flamnes he has no hope of gettng his mental condition properly medicated.

    He spent most of las t few months arguing Bush was an idiot and evil but defends Obama doing the same things then wants to blame Repubs for not being upset at Bush.

    He doesn’t want ideas or discussions he wants targets for his dizzying intellect (he has awesome circular arguments) . I find it more amusing to wind him up and watch his head explode because he truly can’t help himself.

  • square1

    Please let Bayh go run Indiana into the ground as a governor. I am sure that cutting government services until the resident of Indiana have to pave their own streets will prove to be an effective spiringboard for the Presidency.

  • square1

    This is sort of a backwards analysis. Reid was been a terrible Majority Leader precisely because he humors corporatist scumbags like Bayh.

  • freeinpa

    ultra:

    Here is why I disagree with an assumption that Obama was a moderate/centrist. Given that he had all majorities in his favor, if he truly was a centrist he would have accepted a package that would have appeased a majority. If he wanted HC as his centerpiece, I believe he could have gotten it done in some form. As a conservative, that was my biggest fear.
    ==
    If he did a third to half of what he said on earmarks and spending, his approval ratings would be sky high and GOP chances minimal. He did have to hit a home run with either.
    ==
    The only other possible conclusions other than being far left, is he is an utter incompetent or seriously arrogant to believe every last congressman would kow-tow to his wishes. I believe he actaully is a combination of all three.

    =
    Regardless of what anyone thinks of Bill Clinton (I wasn’t a fan) you had to admire his ability to make lemonade from lemons. He took the ground he was given and made it his. For the supposed briilliance of Obama he has yet to figure that out.

  • formerlyjames

    As I stare into space and dream, I see a vision of all reasonable Dems leaving and having a totalitarian Repub and blue dog senate, or congress, for that matter. Of course the senate can only go 1/3 at a time, the House could all pull out at once, but I could tough out Repub and blue dog control for a time, if only it would bring our country to it’s senses.

  • shepherdwong

    Dude, if the catastrophic result of eight years of Bush/Cheney and thirty years of “conservative” economic dogma didn’t “bring our country to it’s senses,” what makes you think anything could? Too dumb to thrive indeed.

  • shepherdwong

    And it may be that this let’s Democrats choose the most competitive contender for the state-wide run for the seat, rather than having it decided in a Democratic primary, so go celebrate in the same dark corner where they take personal pride in their disparagement of decorated war heroes.

  • formerlyjames

    shepherd, Obama was elected after the catastrophe to which you refer. Didn’t quite do the job. America needs an overdose of the idiocy.

  • formerlyjames

    Of course, I lean on the possibly too optimistic premise that the totalitarian fascist government of my dream won’t trigger armageddon during the interim.

  • stuartzechman

    You’re right: when we call Third Way politicians “conservatives,” it’s as inaccurate as the rightists calling them “liberals.”

  • kevin

    You did it all to rile me up? Gosh, I’m flattered.
    .
    I guess the other dozen people who’ve called you an idiot on this one thread alone were just a happy bonus for you. Congratulations, champ.

  • shepherdwong

    “…Obama was elected after the catastrophe to which you refer. Didn’t quite do the job.”
    .
    Yeah, I know. Obama didn’t fix everything in 13 f*cking months. Against the strong will of our corporate masters, unprecedented and borderline traitorous unified obstruction from Republicans, a press narrative buried in lies and “conservative” propaganda and half a Democratic caucus that’s barely more useful than the Republicans…in the middle of a sh*tstorm. So they’re going to consider giving it all back to the miscreants who created the whole disaster to begin with? Talk about biting your noise off to spite your face. Obama is no FDR so let’s let Hoover have another shot! See again: too dumb to thrive.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    The Left, obviously, will be blamed for this. However, it could be that he, Bayh, wasn’t very good at selling liberalism to people who don’t live in large cities. Of course he probably expected all of us dirty, internet hippies to become like him, so he could continue to represent a bunch of right-wingers.

  • freeinpa

    Kevin:

    “You did it all to rile me up? Gosh, I’m flattered.
    .
    I guess the other dozen people who’ve called you an idiot on this one thread alone were just a happy bonus for you. Congratulations, champ.”
    ==
    No I had a bet just to see if you could say anything dumber with each post. You did not disappoint.

    ==

    Check 90% of any responses on any thread by the left here or anywhere else and the response is name calling, denigraton and when that fails the race, homophobe or sexixs card comes out. It is more dependable than a Timex. Arrogant, shallow, delusional and dumber than a bag of rocks.

    ==
    I had the local Econ profs at the colege rolling on the floor laughing. today. I shared your indepth analysis of how no growth in capacity of refineries has no impact on prices with rising demand. LMAO

  • virginiagentleman

    free, regarding this: “Given that he had all majorities in his favor, if he truly was a centrist he would have accepted a package that would have appeased a majority. If he wanted HC as his centerpiece, I believe he could have gotten it done in some form.”

    You might want to go back and look at those Congressional votes again. He did accept a package that appeased a majority. He just hasn’t found a package than can please one Republican in the Senate. Any one of them so it can pass the Senate in its final form.

    Then you add this, regarding Obama: “(H)e is an utter incompetent or seriously arrogant to believe every last congressman would kow-tow to his wishes.” Actually, I think he was perhaps naive and thought at least one Republican in the Senate would be responsible enough and be open to a plan that was acceptable to moderate and conservative Democrats like Webb, Lieberman, Ben Nelson and, yes, Evan Bayh.

    He thought at least one of them would decide that it was more important to improve health care in the country than to throw up continuous roadblocks on most key pieces of legislation in the hopes your party would gain a couple of seats in 2010.

    In other words, he didn’t quite understand that power was the most important thing to Republicans. He’s not alone in that thought.

  • kevin

    Check 90% of any responses on any thread by the left here or anywhere else and the response is name calling, denigraton and when that fails the race, homophobe or sexixs card comes out.
    .
    Let’s see…
    .
    You at 1.13: “I guess you know idiots since you face one each day in the mirror.”
    .
    You at 1.16: “The only man of the left is Maddow.”
    .
    You at 3.7: “The only problem with the facts statistics and analysis you is is from equally medicated left wing numb nuts.”
    .
    And on and on.
    .
    Both sides are equally guilty of name calling — me as much as anyone — but your crude comment about Rachel Maddow is the only homophobia and sexism I see here. I didn’t realize you were “the left.”
    .
    I never said “no growth in refineries had no impact on gas prices.” You insisted the cost hike was solely due to “government intervention” in the market and I disagreed. Diecash1 and pintortwo did a thorough job of rebutting your nonsense in that thread, so I left it at that.
    .
    If you want to give the economics professors at your local “colege” a good laugh, print out your posts here for them. Lord knows they’ve given my friends and family a lots of laughs. Between you and Rusty, I think I’ve convinced my conservative father-in-law to abandon the Republican Party once and for all. Please keep up the terrific PR work you’re doing for the state of modern conservatism.
    .
    That said, I’m done responding to you. Apollo was right — internet arguments like this are pointless and childish. I enjoy jousting with smart conservatives, but you’re clearly not that. You never reply to a direct question, you never offer anything interesting but name-calling and ad hominem attacks, you see everything as “my team versus their team,” and worse still, you never have an original thought to share. You’re just not worth the time.

  • formerlyjames

    shepherd, my proposal was mostly in jest. But I see that you are in no mood for it. So sorry.

  • diecash1

    Kevin — Excellent summation! I agree completely.

  • stuartzechman

    Bayh had no interest in selling liberalism to anyone, since he was literally the chairman of the DLC.
    .
    Bayh loathes liberalism, he’s more favorable to conservatism than us.
    .
    Bayh is Third Way centrism all the way.
    .
    Google “DLC Bayh”.

  • shepherdwong

    Busted. My bad humor.

  • apr2563

    Kevin thank you for calling free out on the Rachel Maddow comment. Free just wears me out sometimes, so I didn’t comment. Shame on me. Maybe that is something he feels comfortable stating on a freeper site, but it isn’t welcome here. I let him push my buttons a couple of times today. He just doesn’t seem to take any responsibility for the invective he throws out. A little snarkiness is fine, but that is all he has to offer.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    I was just pointing out that he will very likely blame the Left, especially bloggers, for having to leave the party, because the Left is driving honest, hard working conservatives, like him, out the door. Personally, I’d be happy if he takes the rest of the so-called centrists with him, since it is obvious that the fact that a Democrat holds a seat means nothing for progress, if the guy holding it is really just another member of the opposition.Most of these so-called centrists block progress, and they also expect the rest of us, who don’t live in cornfields, to share their narrow view of the world.
    .
    Good riddance to them all.

  • freeinpa

    Kevin:

    You must have exhausted yourself with that rant and fell asleep for hours after patting yourself on the back one more time.

    ==
    Unfortunately you view once again is clouded by your opinions and views that you believe to be righteous fact. You continue to say things in which you don’t recant previous statements but “amend and revise” after the folly is pointed out. Joe Biden would be proud!

    ==
    You did a wonderful job of counting things I said leaving out the simple fact many were in response to yours, apr2563, and diecash1 comments. Any listing of those? Of course not! How could you plead victimhood which is what you do best.
    ==

    I love the Maddow comment. Liberals are like the Coyote in the Roadrunner cartoon. You know what will happen but they can’t help falling off that cliff. I can set the stage with nearly any subject and make a statement and folks like you and apr2563 pull out your secret decoder rings and find the victimhood or sleight in the comment. Demos in Comgress and liberals in the media have come unhinged and getting hysterical. I don’t agree with Maddow but she is the only one on the left standing up and trying to put up reasoned arguments. (And I stress trying). Olbermann and Chrissy Matthews or Harry Reid and Alan Grayson are not unlike well you and others who”pick” facts as they see them and them froth at the mouth about how wicked and evil other folks are.
    ==
    You continue to try to unbury yourself on the refining issue. I never “insisted” the cost was solely the government (again your fact). Added regulations and envirowhackos (How about that global warming YOU insist is real) had the companies adjust return on investment calculations making new ones unfeasible. I would also say that neither pintortwo and certainly not diecash1 rebutted anything but you did quit trying to push a losing position at least until your most recent nonsense.
    ==
    I can not speak for your father-inlaw other than to have pity for him in having to have you as a son-in-law.
    ==
    I take no offense to you wanting to joust with smart conservatives. You have clearly demonstrated an inability to think clearly from line one to line two in any argument. Consequently your judgment means nothing. I have reasoned debates with liberals here all the time. Then there are ones like you, diecash1 and others that detest ad hominem attacks while continuing to use them continuously with anyone with the temerity to disagree.
    ==
    Respond or not I will call out liberal stupidity as its shown.That is what really rankles liberals. You cannot do it with impunity anymore. So please continue to send your Google arguments that you couple with your facts.

    I am sure that folks like Diecash1 will support your “facts” and question whether a conservative takes responsibility for any “invective”. I take more responsibility for my invective as you all do. I in instances with you and others do it purposely. Liberals do it as a matter of course and then feign horror when it is returned pleading victimhood once again. A sad tired story.

  • freeinpa

    virginiagentle

    Point taken. It does seem hard to imagine that some agreement could not have been reached however I think the bill became mutant. It grew in scope and complexity which scared Republicans and some Democrats alike which made the whole bill undoable.
    ==
    I owuld also add the grasp for power is not entirely one sided as the Demos have clearly demonstrated in many instances. That is the problem with career politicians. It becomes about re-election and power and less about true government.

  • hotbbq

    Kevin, let this be an example to the rest of us. Under no circumstances should you engage freeinpa, rusty, or their kind. At least not in this medium. Really, it’s just not worth it. Theirs is a battle between two clans, not between ideas. Nothing we may be able to counter their claims with will have any influence on their beliefs. No one leaves with anything substantial. You might as well be arguing about sports teams. One has to lose and the other has win. Results be darned.

  • freeinpa

    hotbbq:

    Ignoring reality doesn’t make it go away nor does it make you right or superior. The conservatives are evil, stupid, ignorant, pick you favorite invective and Palin, Bush. Limbaugh, Beck bashing is endless. Talk about having nothing substantial to say.

    Folks like Kevin and you don’t want discussion you want to be right. The left has lied unchecked for years. It goes unchecked no more. That’s what really hacks off the left. Even on the home field site you can’t get away with it. The left has been de-bunked on HC “reform” the economy, and now Global Warming despite the name calling and attempts to silence critics. And the voters will continue to show your ideas the door.

  • stuartzechman

    You know I’m with you.

  • hotbbq

    The prosecution rests, your Honor.

  • apr2563

    http://www.xpac2010.com/
    Free, here is an event you should attend. It is part of CPAC. It would be groovy, far out, and you might get to meet Stephen Baldwin and others on the level of Joe the Plumber.

  • sasquatch08

    Well isn’t this a nasty little thread with insults being lobbed this way and that? Oh, for the days of civility in public discourse!
    Bayh’s announcement isn’t in itself a damning indictment of the Senate leadership, but some of his comments such as “there’s just too much brain-dead partisanship” certainly are damning for both the Democratic and GOP leadership.
    Both parties have been hijacked by their respective fringe elements which basically “own” the party because of the amount of money they bring in compared to the more centrist demographic. The reason is simple; people in the middle don’t generally give large amounts of money for causes that they don’t think are very important to their daily lives. For example (and I will probably regret using this example) abortion. Abortion rights activists on the far left throw gobs of money at combating the anti-abortion far Right and vice versa. Average people may have a belief on the topic but they are not single issue voters nor are they likely to contribute heavily to either side of the argument. The same is true of the environmental argument and a host of other issues that energize the far left and right bases.
    It’s also interesting to look at what the former Governor of Michigan said of the Senate: “I don’t know any senator who has been a governor who is happy about being in the Senate… Not only do you not have any power when you are a senator –except to hold things up or filibuster- but the truth is, unless you’re the chair of a major committee nobody listens to you.” Why would you want a job like that, especially one where your own leadership has no interest listening to you, never mind using any of your ideas?
    As for the timing of the announcement; it certainly would appear that Bayh did do this deliberately, although if it was for personal reasons I have no idea and therefore won’t comment. He did however leave the Democrats in Indiana in quite a lurch, presumably deliberately. Possibly to try to force the Democrats to realize that “the extremes of both parties will have to be willing to accept compromises”, which it is arguable that Reid and Pelosi were vehemently opposed to doing.

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