In the Arena

Anti-Semitism, Again

It’s not much fun when your friends get into a deep, personal, cage-match sort of fight. In this case, the fight is between Andrew Sullivan and Leon Wieseltier–people I respect, love and admire. Leon has launched a nuclear attack on Sullivan’s writings about neoconservatives and Israel:

Criticism of Israeli policy, and sympathy for the Palestinians, and support for a two-state solution, do not require, as their condition or their corollary, this intellectual shabbiness, this venomous hostility toward Israel and Jews.

The trouble is, I’ve never seen the slightest hint of venomous hostility toward Israel or Jews from Andrew Sullivan; indeed, I agree with much, though not all, of what he writes on the subject. And it does seem that the examples of this hatred that Leon offers are not overpowering. To take one example:

Sullivan’s assumption, in his outburst about “the Goldfarb-Krauthammer wing,” [that is, the neoconservatives Charles Krauthammer and Michael Goldfarb] that every thought that a Jew thinks is a Jewish thought is an anti-Semitic assumption, and a rather classical one.

Leon’s tendency to argue about how many talmudists can fit on the head of a pin is often entertaining and always brilliant, but a bit precious here: I’m sure that Andrew does not believe every thought I think is a “Jewish” thought (unless, of course, Andrew thinks that he thinks Jewish thoughts–because we often laugh about how, coming from distinctly different philosophical traditions, the two of us come to precisely the same place on more than a few issues).

Would Leon actually argue that neoconservatives who happen to be Jews thinking about a Jewish state are not thinking Jewish thoughts? Indeed, I cop to the following: my belief in a two-state solution and my antipathy toward Greater Israel fantasies are Jewish thoughts. Israel means something different to me than it does to a non-Jew. With the names of my ancestors written on the rolls of holocaust victims in the synogogues of Prague and elsewhere, I am vehement about Israel’s need to survive in a way that non-Jews–except for loony Christan Rapturists–are not. I just happen to believe that it doesn’t survive unless accomodation is made with the Palestinians.

I don’t often agree with Glenn Greenwald, but he’s right about neoconservatives constantly making political appeals that assume a discrete Jewish identity:

[N]eoconservatives constantly argue that American Jews should vote for Republicans rather than Democrats in American political elections because, as Jews, they should cast their votes based on what is best for Israel, and GOP policies, they claim, are better for Israel.  Joe Lieberman spent a substantial portion of 2008 running around to Jewish enclaves in key swing states telling Jewish voters to vote for McCain because he’d be better for Israel…

You can’t run around making direct appeals to the Jewishness and Israel-affection of American-Jewish voters when you want to induce them to vote Republican, but then turn around and scream “anti-semite!” at your political opponents when they discuss the same issues in the same context or talk about the political beliefs of various Jewish factions.  At least you can’t do that without being guilty of hideous double standards and, worse, cheapening and trivializing “anti-semitism” to the point of irrelevance.

And that is what is saddest here. My friend Leon Wieseltier is too quirky and complicated to be called a neoconservative–or any other label except, perhaps, Van Morrison cultist–but he has joined a desperate-sounding minority of American Jews who have taken to using the “anti-semitic” canard against those who reject Likudnik grandiosity. When used against someone named Klein–as the loathsome Abe Foxman did to me–the accusation is merely laughable. When used against someone named Sullivan, it is far more damaging. I think Leon overstepped here. I think he owes Andrew an apology.

Update: Andrew’s response to Leon’s accusations.

Related Topics: Andrew Sullivan, anti-semitism, israel, Leon Wieseltier, neoconservatism, Uncategorized
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  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Super-tired of Israel and all the oxygen it consumes in the press/politics/etc/etc.

    Does that make me an anti-Semite?

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    It’s almost like the “racist” card and criticizing the Obamas. Some of their criticism is warranted and _not_ racial, while some of it is merely racial. Take “ryanhh” in the Classy First Lady thread; that was little more than “dog whistle” racism. However, any time someone rightly points out the racist aspects of such posts, members of the right – rusty, textee, freeper – cry that we’re using the “racist” card in all cases, which isn’t true.
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    As the effect is very similar to the watering-down of “anti-Semitism” that Joe mentions, this looks like two sides of the same coin.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    No, just a jackass.

  • square1

    I have to give credit to Klein for these periodic pushbacks against neoconservative buffoonery. Although, honestly, I think that non-neoconservative Jews really need to be more aggressive in challenging the nonsense.

    There is no greater threat to Israel’s existence than the continued dominance of U.S.-Israel relations and Israeli foreign policy by paranoid, racist Likudniks.

    Look, I get the psychological impact of the Holocaust on the collective Jewish psyche. It is perfectly understandable. But just because a reaction is understandable doesn’t make it healthy.

    Israel is now the state-equivalent of Bernard Goetz: Understandably traumatized by past acts of unjustified violence but now perpetually on a hair-trigger and a greater threat to its own existence than any external threat.

  • ctnewyankee

    I’ve been reading Andrew Sullivan daily for years. I have not seen anything in The Daily Dish that differs greatly from the thoughts and feelings of my family, or my sister’s family in Israel. There are many in Israel that reject the policies of the neo-cons and even many of the policies of the Israeli government vis-a-vis the Palestinians and Gaza – does that make me anti-semitic? Does it make my sister and her family, Israeli Jews, anti-semitic?
    Thank you Mr. Klein for calling this out.

  • jcapan

    I’m always struck by observations like GG’s:

    “[N]eoconservatives constantly argue that American Jews should vote for Republicans rather than Democrats in American political elections because, as Jews, they should cast their votes based on what is best for Israel, and GOP policies, they claim, are better for Israel.”

    Shouldn’t all American voters base their votes on what’s best for America? Whether what’s best for Israel is what’s best for America, I’ll leave others to decide.

    Imagine, if you will, that all Mexican-Americans were being urged to vote democratic b/c this was in the best interest of Mexico (as opposed to their best interests as American citizens).

  • formerlyjames

    Jews obviously aren’t the only one who think Jewish thoughts. The fundamentalist Christians do too. At least until the Rapture occurs. Until then, John Hagee may be the biggest Jew on the planet.

  • formerlyjames

    Fast correction. My insertion of “biggest” does indeed contain anti-semetic overtones due to common use. I did not intend that and would delete it if I could.

  • Paul-no not that one

    There is one country’s foreign policy cannot be questioned by a US citizen.
    It isn’t the US.

  • freeinpa

    However, any time someone rightly points out the racist aspects of such posts, members of the right – rusty, textee, freeper – cry that we’re using the “racist” card in all cases, which isn’t true

    ==
    It is standard liberal fare. There is no intelligent rationalization for arguments so it is name call, insult then when all wlse fails break out the race card. sexist, or homophobe or other victim group card. It is used to shut off debate. It occured with Obama’s pathetic policies, it has (is) happening with global warming and other areas as well.
    ==
    What is the issue is liberals do not like to be called on it. It is more and more transparent as people are tired of the lame excuses.
    ==
    Here is a link from FrontPage noting just this activity with the left’s beloved Frank Rich

    http://frontpagemag.com/2010/02/10/frank-rich-and-the-state-of-liberal-commentary/

  • apr2563

    I read him everyday also. He has done more to keep the Iranian revolution in the news than anyone in the traditional media. I would think the neo-cons would appreciate this.

  • anon76

    “Imagine, if you will, that all Mexican-Americans were being urged to vote democratic b/c this was in the best interest of Mexico”

    I’m imagining it, and what I see are kattest’s and Lou Dobbs’ heads simultaneously exploding. So there’s at least some upside to your proposal.

  • Joe Bftsplk

    Was this one of you guys?

    A reader writes:

    To the extent Mr. Wieseltier’s argument supposes that you have some unexpressed opinions, I think that the vast weight of empirical evidence is to the contrary.

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/02/email-of-the-day-2.html

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Ok, freeinpa – let’s try an experiment. Let’s see if we can find a “common ground,” which shouldn’t be hard because we’re both Americans, and we both love our country. I’ll ask some simple questions and we’ll see if we can agree on _anything_.
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    1. Are all non-Republicans “liberals”?

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Charming. Leon, is that you?

  • stuartzechman

    Joe Klein:
    .
    When you’re right, you’re right.
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    As much as I vigorously disagree with your politics and your political ideology, I will defend you against this kind of despicable smear campaign to everyone and in every forum I can be heard.
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    In the America I want to inhabit, neither you nor Sullivan (someone else with whom I have major political disagreements, by the way) would need to defend yourselves in print from this vile tactic.
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    These shameful acts that Leon Wieseltier, his apologists at TNR and their neo-conservative dance partners perform in the service of their misplaced loyalties is more than revolting, it’s morally wrong and un-American.
    .
    Next week you can call me a leftist idiot (or tell me to get a life, LOL), Joe Klein, and next week I can call you whatever tedious, 2500-word insult I can construct in my spare time, but today I am with you all the way.
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    Let’s make these libelers’ reputations pay a public price for besmirching our country’s discourse, Joe Klein, shall we?

  • stuartzechman

    JC:
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    It’s obscene that this even needs to be said, but thank you anyway.

  • freeinpa

    Sure I’ll play along.

    No all non-Repubs are not liberals nor are all Repubs conservative

  • freeinpa

    “Imagine, if you will, that all Mexican-Americans were being urged to vote democratic b/c this was in the best interest of Mexico”
    ==
    Interestig argument but when was the last time anyone threatened to eliminate the state of Mexico and all Mexicans from existence?

    What would be the reaction of Mexican Americans if the Republicans decided to end drug trafficing it would attack/bomb Mexico?

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    2. Must all non-Republicans – or non-Conservatives – agree with everything President Obama does or says?

  • freeinpa

    Must all Repuns or conservatves agree with everything Beck, Limbaugh or Palin say or do?

  • michaelfury
  • Mr. Nice Guy

    That’s a good question, but I rarely see you, textee, rusty or exiled ever refuting or disavowing something that one of the aforementioned has said.
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    3a. Must America be at war, all the time?
    .
    3b. Must every country outside of Great Britain, Israel and Canada be considered an enemy of America?
    .
    4. Has America, as a country, ever done anything for which it should apologize, or made a mistake from which it should learn something?
    .
    5. If one train leaves Wichita at noon, traveling east at 25 mph, and a second train leaves Columbus, Oh, traveling south-west at 30 miles an hour, when and where will they meet? (Sorry. I couldn’t think of a legitimate #5 under the influence. This came to mind, first.)

  • textee

    Is Andrew Sullivan a teabagger or a teabaggee? I’m not up on the preferred practices of fundamentalist homosexualists like Sullivan, but I heard that one of their most holy religious sacraments is something called “teabagging” ….

  • stuartzechman

    What’s a “fundamentalist homosexualist”?

  • jcapan

    SZ, do you still have that priceless rejoinder you made to one of our closeted rightists on hand? Well into last year sometime, but it bears repeating here.

  • Cliff

    I’m right there with you, CP.

  • stuartzechman

    JC:
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    Yes, I believe I do.
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    Here is the originating comment from a casual, absentminded, yet nightly Lucky Cheng’s patron whose handle is “shaldi” ( link to the original post ):

    shaldi June 27, 2009 at 9:51 pm
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    Folks,
    You really need to study what the term neo-con means and when it originated. Moynihan and Kirkpatrick would be very disappointed with your grasp of the term and your use of it as some sort of insult.
    .
    For 8 years, I had to listen to slanderous lies about my country, its leaders and its military. From the likes of TIME and sitting US congressmen, I had to stomach their nonsense.
    .
    Now, the shoe is on the other foot. This effete Marxist who is now our chief executive is a liar and a fool. And when he is not lying or being foolish, he is imitating the policies of his predecessor.
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    I have recently waited, and waited, for our president to make some kind of statement in support of people dying for liberty. None was forthcoming. Now I read of an “Obama effect” tied to his ridiculous Cairo speech. Yet, this man does not even possess the fortitude to issue statements in support of the protesters and, in fact, has tied his strategy to negotiating with their murderers. What in the hell kind of an “effect” is that?
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    I am betting that very few readers of Joe Klein or TIME have served in the military or been anywhere outside their Northeast and West coast comfort zones. I may be wrong in this assumption, but I doubt it.
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    You people continue to live with the dream that thugs and tyrants can be negotiated with and talked out of their plans of conquest. I read here of the Israeli “genocide” and the willingness of Palestinians to live in peace. Joe Klein writes of breezy Iranian freedom because they have the internet and satellite TV, mere days before Neda is gunned down. And I ask myself what world you people live in? Your heroes are singers and dancers and actors and writers and politicians. And I feel very sorry for you all.
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    With all due respect, you people are post-modern fools.
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    If standing for liberty and free-markets makes one a neo-con, please count me as one.
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    More wars are coming people, get used to it. You can talk all you want and I will salute your efforts and will support them up to a point. But our enemies are laughing at you.
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    Politics, like many things (climate and economics to name two), is cyclical. You folks had best wake up; Iraq is a success of legendary and historic importance, no matter what Joe Klein said years ago. Iran is not “breezy” with freedom, no matter what Joe Klein writes now. And it will take, at some point, some force and some violence (oh, the horror!) from some quarter to change that. Coninue to read the Kleins and the Greenwalds of the world if you must and continue to think you are well-read, informed and prime examples of “enlightened” men.
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    For once in your enlightened effete lives, be men of valor and come back carrying your shield or on it.

    After this Tom of Finland manifesto, there was a brief dialogue between you, myself and neoratonalist86:

    stuartzechman June 27, 2009 at 10:05 pm
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    shaldi:
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    This effete Marxist who is now our chief executive is a liar and a fool.
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    He’s neither effete, nor a Marxist, nor a fool.
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    jcapan June 27, 2009 at 10:20 pm
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    It might be interesting to observe N-R engage Shaldi…
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    Exiled_At_Home… June 27, 2009 at 10:26 pm
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    SZ
    ~
    I’ll take such a pithy retort to Shaldi as a compliment given the great length of our own debate.

    Then neorationalist86 rebuts the Spartans’ spear-bearer shaldi point by point, something that should be read in its entirety, but which I will regretfully omit, since it is tangential to your request.
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    Next, I respond to neorationalist86, and follow with the brief characterization of the gladiator/cabana boy shaldi’s remarks which you have recalled…

    neorationalist86:
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    I’ll take such a pithy retort to Shaldi as a compliment
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    I couldn’t stop laughing long enough to really take his arguments point by point, because I kept thinking about how desperate he is to assure the world (and himself) of his masculinity.
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    He warbles on about how only “real men” like him can understand the dangerous world, unlike all of us effete, simpering “singers and dancers and actors” who can hardly bear the thought of “some force and some violence (oh, the horror!)” in our feminized, “fortitude“-less society of ““enlightened” men“, and I keep thinking to myself “He’s calling us all gay…“, and laughing.
    .
    That such latent, self-loathing homosexuality is so tightly wrapped up in this magpie’s fantasy political ideology is simply hilarious.
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    How desperate is he to escape his true identity; how terrified he is of its exposure!
    .
    I can just picture one of my more camp gay friends reading “be men of valor and come back carrying your shield or on it” and rolling his eyes as he saucily murmurs “I’m sure you’d just love to be laid out on somebody’s shield, soldier!“.
    .
    Reading this closet case’s bathos-laden manifesto/serenade to his own hyper-masculine dream soldier/lover is like watching Ted Haggard foam at a congregation about the threat to American values from the “homosexual agenda” knowing that the pastor will later retire to a hotel room with a prostitute and a bag of crank.
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    How terribly, sadly funny our manly, dominant-desiring little brute-twink is!
    .
    How much bitter shame (that he must feel every day from his own failed attempts at heterosexuality) did it take to produce this pathetic effort at compensation?
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    Notice how he’s essentially pretending that women don’t exist? I know he also says “folks” and “people” now and again, neorationalist86, but how is a woman supposed to react to “prime examples of “enlightened” men” and “For once in your enlightened effete lives, be men“?
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    It’s so clear that he’d love to remake the world into an enormous gay bar, where the only choice there is for him is between effete men and manly men, and women aren’t around to ruin his party cruise. He’s practically begging us, neorationalist86, he’s shrieking “O Where are the men?? Where are all the manly men?” like the dancing girl he is.
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    I wish guys like him would man up and get out of the closet, so that they didn’t have to play out their compensatory domination fantasies during serious foreign policy debates over the most effective strategies to neutralize the more populist and bloodshed-dedicated forces in Hamas, whilst curbing the expansionism of the fool Likudniks, and bringing Syria closer to the West than to Iran, but until then I guess I’ll enjoy the comedic value of his kind’s trampy farce.

    Please confirm that this is the episode to which you were referring, JC…

  • jcapan

    Bingo SZ! Just made my (national holi)day here in J-town. How did I know your techie prolific ass had access to every comment you’ve ever made!? Priceless stuff.

  • stuartzechman

    Oregon JC:

    How did I know your techie prolific ass had access to every comment you’ve ever made!?

    ‘Cause I’m cool like dat.

  • stuartzechman

    …or insane like dat, probably the latter.

  • abdullah69

    A “fundamentalist homosexualist”, or “Liberal” to use the abbreviated term, is someone who criticises sarah Palin.

  • abdullah69

    That would be Pizarro, circa sixteenth century.

    In the history of genocide, Israel is not unique, you know.

  • tharwatfawzi

    It is most fortunate for all humans believing in the noble universal values – enshrined in all faiths and beliefs and as expressed ,for example , in the universal declaration of human rights,
    that there is a majority of Jews fighting to protect these values for ALL , including Palestinians.

  • apr2563

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/
    Reports from Iran yesterday. Be sure and click on the link to the video of the roof top cries that happen every night. Such bravery.
    I wish the traditional press was reporting on this. Rather than Sarah Palin encouraging war against Iran, we should be letting the world know what the Green Revolution is doing.

  • http://myrkskog.wordpress.com fnord73

    There is a lot of issues I dont understand about the current use of the term “anti-semitism”. When Dershowitz accuses South African judge Goldstone for “betrayal of his people” for doing his job in the UN, isnt that a classic example of a critiscism that breaks all the nono areas of anti-semitism? Doesnt that imply dual loyalty, equal Jewish with Israel and all that? Yet he screams this from the front page of Jerusalem Post…

  • richinnj

    I only have a problem with the hyphenation “super-tired.”

  • ki7wh

    I am of two minds on this: Although Sullivan may not be anti-semitic, many of those supporting the Palestinians surely are. Not in the Nazi sense but rather in the reflexive Liberal “support-3rd-world-peoples” sense. They can overlook bombings and terror aimed at civilians and decry defensive counter-attack. Jews are rightfully perplexed at the over arching animosity toward them.

    On the settlements, Israeli policy is flat wrong. This policy is generated by the Right Wing support of settlers, which is to say that it is motivated by and for “believers”. Funny, isn’t it, that the Palestinian difficulty in making peace is also the result of intransigent believers (a pox be on both their houses). Someone once wrote that Americans don’t get it: Israel is not the West, it is the Levant and its people and culture are in fact middle-eastern–Semitic, as it were.

    Having said that the settler policy is wrong, I would put forth this: The arabs attacked Israel many times with the intention of destruction and massacre. Israel always won at the cost of many lives and resources. So what do you get when you win a war. In Israel’s case almost nothing, save the West Bank and Golan which were and still are strategic and defensive necessities…and the Arabs keep asking for “do-overs”. Had Israel said after each war, “you lost, and the price you pay will be the complete loss of territory we won, and, by the way, the arab population of that territory has to leave”. I would be okay with that. Don’t want to lose stuff? don’t start a war with the intention of wiping out a population and expect less than an equal response. No do-overs.

  • http://superstition111.wordpress.com superstition111

    Klein and Greenwald. Have you ever heard of ad hominem? Why not just save a lot of words and note that it rarely has any place in legitimate debate?

    The “cry wolf” idea about anti-semitism or any other ad hominem is questionable because it’s based on the supposition that ad hominem is usually useful. It may be when one is trying to manipulate an unsophisticated audience, but for those of us who know what it is, it usually doesn’t have much clout, certainly not “nuclear” clout.

    Who you agree with often and who your friends are statements, Mr. Klein, run along the same irrelevant track. Ideas stand alone. The cult of personality is trivial.

    As for neorationalist86′s post… Is it really necessary to make us wallow in gratuitous anti-gay overtones in a discussion of anti-semitic overtones? Telling someone to “man up” because they are overcompensating for being gay is amusing, but not so much.

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