In the Arena

More on Populism

This is an excellent essay by Kurt Andersen, tying together many of the threads about the ugly and recalcitrant nature of populism that I’ve been posting on in recent days. Anderson makes an important point that is, at once, completely obvious but rarely remarked upon: populism became more a right-wing movement in the 20th century because the Democratic Party associated itself with the civil rights and pro-immigration causes.

The intellectual driver of populism is anti-elitism, a valuable force when an oligarchy rises–as the Wall Street oligarchy has risen and distorted American capitalism over the past twenty years. The emotional drivers of populism are anti-intellectualism and, all too often, a suspicion and hatred of The Other–first Catholics, in the early 19th century, when the nativist “know-nothing” party was formed; blacks, with the end of slavery and forever more; Jews, in the first half of the 20th century (ADD: and also southern Europeans, especially Italians); Latinos, most recently.

To repeat, this ugliness has always been with us and always has been defeated by the sane American majority. Those, like Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck, who seek to exploit these fears now stand on the shoulders of…pygmies.

Update: The excellent Fred Kaplan weighs in with appropriate outrage over Palin turning terrorism into a political issue.

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  • michaelfury

    “anti-elitism, a valuable force when an oligarchy rises–as the Wall Street oligarchy has risen and distorted American capitalism over the past twenty years”

    True enough.

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/as-wall-street-is-transformed-a-reminder-from-aaron-russo/

  • nflfoghorn

    Sounds like you’re comparing these modern-day demagogues to guys like Wallace, Faubus, Helms and Barnett. They’re as subtle in their hatred as their finite brains can allow.

  • http://24ahead.com/ kattest123

    Joe Klein, of course, has no clue. The Dems are “pro-immigration” because they’re corrupt and they’re willing to support massive illegal activity just as long as they can profit from it.
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    Click here for background on the tea parties. They’ve largely ignored imm. matters despite the fact that that’s the issue that the elites are most vulnerable on. They’ve done that because their string-pullers are – like the Dems – trying to profit.
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    And, of course, Joe Klein is playing the race card in order to avoid a discussion of the negative impacts of massive imm.

  • newfreedomblog

    “And what those thoughtful, educated, well-off, well-regarded gentlemen did was invent a democracy sufficiently undemocratic to function and endure.”

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    Our “democracy” as founded is not a democracy which the majority rule over the miniority. That was how the founding fathers foresaw a time when people who run amok and out of control are stopped.
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    Health care reform and all the rest of the boondoggle policies and programs of this President must and should be stopped.
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    Mr Klein calls it a populist movement. When in fact it is the majority of Americans as evidenced by the recent elections in New Jersey, Virginia and Massachusetts spoke out with their votes. They simply said “No” to the insane propositions by the Democrat Party led by Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.
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    Kill the bill has been the meme from those of us who oppose the health care bill, the out of control spending by this government and the increasingly covert bribes, special deals and out right corruption by the Democrats in Washington.
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    The people have spoken Joe Klein. You do not like it because you want big government, higher taxes and programs which have little to no benefit for the average American. You want the Great Society to back your big Government programs.
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    Thankfully the founding fathers were smart enough to foresee a time when people like you Joe Klein and other liberals want to rule over the populace with your insane ideas.
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    You run scared and scream “populist”, when it is your own party who are at fault. Obama himself has moved further into the “populist” realm of late. Is Obama who you are afraid of Joe?
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    Thankfully we have people like Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Sean Hannity who dig into the debts of this evil-doer we now call President, and expose him as the threat he truly is to America.
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    Shill on Joe Klein, but you will never win this battle. You lose before you even start.

  • shepherdwong

    “To repeat, this ugliness has always been with us and always has been defeated by the sane American majority.”
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    Charles Pierce makes the same point in Idiot America. He says what’s different is that there’s not much ability for the public to tell who is full of it (our “cranks”) and whom to trust, mostly because we’ve devalued the opinions of real experts, partly by demonizing intellectualism, and elevated the value of the “wisdom” of common folk. Care to say anything about the role that’s been played by your industry in helping to create this social dilemma? Any solution to the problem requires a corrective in the public media, doesn’t it?
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  • newfreedomblog

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    See http://www.newfreedomblog.com if you want the real truth and nothing but the truth.
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    The pandering media as represented on this site by TIME.com want you to believe there is some conspiracy, nothing different than the 9/11 Truther’s also wanted to distort the facts of the Terrorists who invaded our great country on 9/11 and tried to destroy us.
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    See video after video of the truth. Read how to take back American from those who want to destroy it. Read, hear and listen to the truth America. Stop the liberal, socialist, progressives from destroying your country.

  • allthingsinaname

    Hmmm….. too few people vote for there to be such a thing.

  • allthingsinaname

    Populism
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    A nice word for xenophobia, racism, or what?

  • shepherdwong

    “Stop the liberal, socialist, progressives from destroying your country.”
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    Yes, run for your lives!! The limp-wristed, Volvo-driving, latte-sipping, effete liberals are coming! Hide your gold, women and sheep!

  • rustyreturns

    One would think barely a year past what Democrats on this site love to call a “landslide” victory for Barack HUSSEIN Obma, that they were the “Populist”.
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    What happened so soon, Joe Klein? Not going how you planned?

  • stuartzechman

    Oh Lord, I just don’t have the time today for this nonsense…

    populism became more a right-wing movement in the 20th century because the Democratic Party associated itself with the civil rights and pro-immigration causes.

    …Both of which were not populist, bottom-up, establishment-challenging, elite-rejecting movements?
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    I see.
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    The point is to define the word “populist” to mean “racist/idiot/rightist/lynch mob,” and then to proclaim superiority (and righteous fear and loathing).
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    Here’s quite possibly the most ridiculous, offensive paroxysm of foolishness in Kurt Andersen’s smug rant:


    What Richard Hofstadter called “the paranoid style in American politics” isn’t limited to the right, of course. But true left-wing populism is a fringe whose political stars—Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader—have next to no national traction.
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    Then there’s Michael Moore, of whom only 31 percent of Democrats have a “favorable opinion,” according to a Daily Kos/Research 2000 poll last year. One reason populism has become a much more potently right-wing tendency during the last 60 years, I think, is that the left is no longer capable of signaling that it mistrusts racial or ethnic (or now sexual) minorities. Populism without contempt for definably exotic groups lacks a certain political oomph, it turns out.

    Get it?
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    When “populism” is predefined for the reader as meaning “lynch mob who hates you for the color of your skin or for reading New York Magazine,” then it becomes obvious that the reason why liberalism hasn’t had a voice in Democratic politics is because liberals just aren’t racist enough.
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    Pundits like Joe Klein endlessly lecturing Democratic politicians to run away from “The Idiocy of The Left” has had nothing to do with it, see? The corporatist takeover of the Democratic party has nothing to do with it at all! The pro-industry, pro-financial elites, anti-accountability programs of leadership Democrats have nothing whatsoever to do with the marginalization of liberal voices in our discourse. What campaign to court corporate cash at the expense of the interests of working people? What “Sister Souljah” moment? The Beltway political-media class didn’t silence the popular left, racism did. Xenophobia is the reason why you will never see Noam Chomsky on Meet The Press across from Bill Kristol, and why you will always see Doris Kearns Goodwin there instead.
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    This is positively Friedman-esque garbage.
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    Like I said a while ago in “Joe Klein is Not Your Friend” (not a blog-whoring link, I swear):

    The main practical characteristic that needs to be understood about Centrism and Centrists is that, if you are in any sense of the word a political activist –even to the extent that you comment on political blogs in your spare moments, or go to your bible-based church a real lot– they don’t like you. That’s it in a nutshell: they don’t like politically active people trying to control their own government. They don’t trust you to make the right decisions that they, the technocrats should be making for you. They trust institutions; they trust themselves. They don’t trust you. They don’t think that you’re up to the job that citizenship in a democracy demands. They think that you should be working and shopping instead.
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    It also happens to be that professional class Centrists are scared sh*tless by the tent-revivalists, costume survivalists, antebellum Confederacy nostalgists and latter day Know Nothings who make up the Republican base. This is because they’re threatened by people and popular movements in general. That’s why they love to equate us with the speaking-in-tongues Pentecostals in Sarah Palin’s rural Alaskan church. They think that, Left or Right, we’re all nuts, and should just be out shopping for more SUV’s, like normal, low-information, suburban Americans (whom they empower to ruin our political discourse every four years).

    And here it is again like clockwork from Joe Klein: populism is all bad, bad, bad, and he’ll rewrite history in order to prove it. The civil rights struggle therefore wasn’t a popular movement, the demand for the eight-hour workday wasn’t a popular movement, and womens’ suffrage wasn’t a popular movement.
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    The only hope against the overwhelming tide of horrible, racist, xenophobic fellow (working class and middle class) Americans is for educated, enlightened liberals join with insider, establishment elites like Joe to denounce (and fear) populism. Good, nice upper-middle class New York Magazine readers can be comforted in their solidarity with downtrodden minorities against the intellectually and morally deficient, populist rabble.
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    All of this is the rather predictable and revolting prelude to the next Presidential election’s “Obviously Democrats are unhappy with their establishment Candidate X, but what can they do? If establishment Candidate X loses, the racist lynch mob will take over!
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    Left-wing popular movement & culture, like the rising anger over the accountability-free continuity of failed elites in finance, government, industry and –dare we say it– journalism, are obviously quite in evidence in America these days, and will continue to grow, as ordinary folks find it more and more opportune to communicate and organize using diverse social networking technologies. It’s a great time to a be part of a movement for change in America, actually.
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    Don’t let Klein smear you (and your activism, and your participation, and your expression of political opinions) with the tar of the ignorant mob. Don’t let him define “populism” to mean “Klan.”

  • square1

    “Populism” is a useful term of derision that the financial elites in this country employ to dismiss legitimate concerns for the middle and/or working classes in America.

    Sadly, racism and bigotry exist and have always existed in this country. Consequently, some democratic appeals have been explicitly or implicitly designed to resonate with racist or bigoted sensibilities. But this “ugliness” is independent of populism, per se.

    It should go without saying that the defenders of America’s elite institutions have a track record that is every bit as ugly as anything the hoi polloi dreamed up. (To give but one example, when Jayson Blair was outed as a plagiarist at the NYT, the media CW quickly became that the episode served as a useful morality tale on the perils of affirmative action hiring. “See what happens when you open the newsroom up to the darkies!” Somehow Judy Miller’s several fabrications and the Pentagon propaganda scandal did not receive as much hand-wringing from the press.)

    But make no mistake, 99% of the time that someone in the media points out the threads of racism and bigotry that weave through the history of populist movements, they don’t give a flying f— about the racism or bigotry and are just using those examples as tools to discredit movements that challenge their authority.

  • allthingsinaname

    Long post, but you ignore what has happened in the TEA Party Convention. Yes there is a definition, but the English language is alive and well and ever changing.
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    Perhaps it started as a populist movement, but as usual it is hijacked by the nut jobs and encouraged by it’s leaders.

  • freeinpa

    ShepherdWrong

    You forgot watches, wallets and guns

  • destor23

    There are very smart populists out there who have valid critiques about the stimulus, TARP and policy in general. They aren’t fringe types or racists or even reliably of one political stripe or another. Who speaks for them?

  • shepherdwong

    Anderson is an idiot, obviously. What do Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader and Michael Moore have to do with Richard Hofstadter’s “the paranoid style in American politics”, which is essentially irrational conspiracy fears?
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    And rather than racism, what Anderson and Klein are calling populism are really right-wing authoritarian following, racism being only one of its many calls to paranoia. For that matter, when Hofstadter defines the paranoid style thusly: “[s]ince the enemy is thought of as being totally evil and totally unappeasable, he must be totally eliminated”, he is exactly describing the Teabaggers and right-wing authoritarian following as it applies to all sorts of groups, from liberals, journalists and bankers to even those out-groups recently rejected by their fellow authoritarians – it’s how they roll.
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    Anyway, that’s what separates this dangerous and damaging form of right-wing populism from the sort you and I would like to see and which should rightly scare the Joe Klien’s of our entire elite class.
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    http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

  • dollared

    Bravo, Stuart! Joe is insanely frustrating. Just when you think he might understand that our government should make good decisions in the interests of the American people, he decides he hates the American people.

    Thanks for doing the heavy lifting.

  • stuartzechman

    Neither Joe Klein nor Kurt Andersen.

  • stuartzechman

    dollared:
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    Thanks for doing the heavy reading.

  • stuartzechman

    shepherdwong:

    Anderson is an idiot, obviously.

    This link caption to page 2 says it all:

    Next: Why the populist impulse isn’t always bad.

    This kind of stupidity is really, really dangerous for liberals to indulge in.

  • Ivy_B

    Bob Somerby sliced and diced Kurt Anderson in 2008 and as a plus Joe Klein is included as well!

    This quote from Anderson goes back to 1999. Guess you can’t be right all the time.
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    But my problem with politics these days…is that politics don’t and really can’t matter all that much in this country right now. There are rough, large consensuses on all the big issues—economics, social welfare, civil rights, women’s rights, war and peace, even abortion. And they will continue as long as the economy chugs along like this and we stay out of wars any longer than a mini-series. Sure, there’s a biggish, scary lunatic right—the Gary Bauerite creationist anti-gay regiments—but they’re not going to be running the country or amending the Constitution any time soon. In fact, Pat Buchanan is right about the virtual indistinguishability of the Democrats and Republicans.

    http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh052408.shtml

  • tjoyce994

    Your link noted that the tea baggers first met in February, 2009 to protest Obama’s policies. Obama took the oath of office on January 20, 2009. They really gave him a chance, didn’t they?

    The reality is that the socialist/Nazi/communist rhetoric started once it became obvious that the McCain/Palin ticket was doomed. I am still unclear what freedoms the tea baggers have lost in the last year. They don’t seem to have a clear handle on exactly what socialism is, and I don’t know what any of that has to do with where Obama was born.
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    You accuse JK of playing the race card. But a degree of this is about race, class, and the fact that hell has frozen over, because no one thought we would see the day when a black man would occupy the white house. And he isn’t part of some affirmative action plan. He is a Harvard Law graduate who raised money, ran a solid campaign, and beat the pants off his opponent.
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    Quick! Let’s delegitimize him with tortured logic about him secretly being a Muslim (who is hiding out in a radical, Christian church pastored by a well known minister), or the fact that he hasn’t proven that he was born in the United States.
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    The republicans aren’t as much racist as they are opportunists. Racial divisiveness has been part of their strategy for some time now. But, this has gotten to be a dangerous game, and we all should be concerned about unintended consequences. Someone is going to get hurt. Too many of the tea baggers appear to be a few cards short of a full deck. What happens when one of these brainless morons decides that Obama really is Hitler and decides to save the country?

  • shepherdwong

    “This kind of stupidity is really, really dangerous for liberals to indulge in.”
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    I haven’t noticed any propensity on the part of real liberals to fail to differentiate between right-wing authoritarian-based populism, which is driven by paranoia, fear and lies and left-wing small-”d” democratic populism, based on citizen-empowerment and rational policy-making. That’s one sure way to tell that Klein and Anderson are not real liberals.

  • tjoyce994

    “Mr Klein calls it a populist movement. When in fact it is the majority of Americans as evidenced by the recent elections in New Jersey, Virginia and Massachusetts spoke out with their votes. ”

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    Three state elections represent the majority of Americans thoughts health care reform? It seems like the majority need to cast a vote before you could draw that conclusion.

  • stuartzechman

    Beautiful find, Ivy. Thank you so much.

  • stuartzechman

    shepherdwong:

    That’s one sure way to tell that Klein and Anderson are not real liberals.

    That’s a great point.
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    I guess I’m making a more prophylactic and (hopefully) silly pronouncement.
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    You are correct; there should be no need for me to say something like that.

  • shepherdwong

    In fact, Pat Buchanan is right about the virtual indistinguishability of the Democrats and Republicans.

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    I’m a big fan of Somerby but this is of a class of statements about Democrats and liberals that show that his most lucid days may be behind him. No one in the Republicans Party is working for womens’ rights, more regulation of industry, a more progressive tax system, a public option, etc. etc. Even if you count only policy outcomes, which I suspect that he’s really talking about (though he would rip anyone else to shreds for such sloppiness), can anyone doubt that the policies enacted in 2009, from the Stimulus to the (deeply flawed) attempt to create universal access to primary care, would have never happened under a McCain/Palin Administration?

  • Ivy_B

    shepherd wong, that quote was one from Kurt Anderson in 1999. I used it to illustrate how vapid Kurt Anderson is. Anderson said in a 2008 interview with Charlie Rose that he wrote a column in which he said he swooned for Obama and since it was a column he didn’t have to pretend to be a journalist.
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    I agree that sometimes Somerby is over the top, but he didn’t make the statement you object to.

  • jcapan

    “Oh Lord, I just don’t have the time today for this nonsense…”
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    Well, happy you found the time b/c (baby in arms) I really don’t have any today. But I’d like to take back my compliment to JK (for taking the subject seriously) yesterday. This is utter rot.

  • shepherdwong

    Thanks, Ivy_B, my bad. A double pox on Anderson then and apologies to the estimable Bob Somerby.

  • apr2563

    Joe, you spend a lot of time criticizing the hoi polloi, the uneducated masses, your definition of populism, teachers unions.
    My definition of populism includes the uneducated masses looking for fairness, civil rights activists, union members. There may be people like Huey Long, Fox News, and George Wallace that manipulate and pervert populism. But people like Theodore Roosevelt, MLK, FDR, and JFK couldn’t have all been wrong.
    When will you and the rest of the traditional press take responsibility for your shallow reporting, for the misinformation you pass on, for your village insistence that you are experts on everything.

  • shepherdwong

    “When will you and the rest of the traditional press take responsibility for your shallow reporting, for the misinformation you pass on, for your village insistence that you are experts on everything.”
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    Good luck with that. Incompetent elitists are, for obvious reasons, the most stubborn. It’s why we’re stuck in this utterly failed status quo.

  • apr2563

    I know, but isn’t it depressing? As Stuart said, when do you see a Noam Chomsky or (RIP) Howard Zinn, Amy Goodman? We get Friedman, Cokie Roberts???, Joe Klein, Begala, Summers, et al to represent the left. We don’t get to see the real experts on health care reform, climate change, financial reform. Instead we get the pretend, corporate, village experts. Those fake authorities are afraid how stupid real experts would make them feel. After all they don’t have to face the facts. Instead of real foreign police experts, we get a bunch of retired generals who are shills for the military/industrial complex, people that were part and parcel of the idiocy that got us involved in Iraq. We get the gossipers, Halperin and his cohort.
    We get Politico breaking news. Say it and some of it might be accurate and stick.
    They can sit around, chuckle and enjoy their cleverness.
    But as Sally Quinn would say, those real experts are not one of us.

  • shepherdwong

    Couldn’t have said it better. I wonder if Joe Klein even realizes how much the embargo of real liberal voices and real experts by his industry has led directly to the anti-intellectualism-driven populism that so worries him today. And, if so, I wonder if he’ll ever manage to tell the truth about it.

  • stuartzechman

    I wonder if Joe Klein even realizes how much the embargo of real liberal voices and real experts by his industry has led directly to the anti-intellectualism-driven populism that so worries him today.

    He doesn’t care, because he’s usually more worried about us than he is about them:

    We need to get this through our heads, so that we don’t end up letting the Villagers be the perpetually corrupt referees of a game whose rules by right should be decided by us. Don’t think for a second that, once the scary fundamentalists are put down this time, they won’t just ignore us again, or make “liberal” a dirty word in politics again. They will. Remember, these people loved the authoritarian George W. Bush for the past six years. Remember when he ran as a “uniter, not a divider”? Remember when they dutifully reported on his “reaching across the aisle to the Texas legislature to get things done”? Remember the Vile Gore whose public character they destroyed? That kind of thing is what these people do for a living.
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    Joe Klein has no problem with the Village’s normal procedures; he will do whatever it takes in print to put an end to the careers of his political enemies. This time, he’s made the determination that the Palin nomination signals that McCain has gone over to the dark side, meaning Movement Conservatism, and rejected institutional, Serious Centrism. He’ll have no problem calling us all kinds of names when we demand that Barack Obama live up to our ideas of why we got him elected. He’ll have no problem doing his best to ruin Barack Obama’s political image, if by some strange chance Barack Obama even comes close to doing what we’re trying to elect him to do.

  • shepherdwong

    “He doesn’t care, because he’s usually more worried about us than he is about them:”
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    And certainly he hates us more, because real liberals are also real intellectuals and are usually right when he is wrong. Oh, the irony.

  • apr2563

    If you want to see funny, if you can stand it, watch Joe Klein when he is on Chris Matthews’ show. Dumb and Dumber.
    Love “Tell Me Something I Should Know Segment”.
    Joe: The earth revolves around the sun.
    Chris: That’s great. You are one of the best. You’re
    a great reporter. You heard it here first folks.
    I worked for Tip O’Neil and you know how
    relevant that is today. We are all experts and
    know everything, even the unknowables.

    I think I am losing my mind.

  • dwilde1

    From Mr. Anderson’s post:

    “But it’s possible that the populist impulse is now too powerful for the elite to reassert control. In the old days, the elite media really did control the national political discourse; there were no partisan, splenetic cable news or ubiquitous talk-radio channels and no blogosphere to keep the populists riled up and make them feel the excitement of a mob. Until fifteen years ago, presidents and congressional leaders could pretty well manage the policy conversations, keep them on reasonable simmer. But the new technologies have, maybe permanently, turned up the political heat to boil.”

    While I agree with many of Mr. Anderson’s and Mr. Klein’s points — AND I thought Mr. Beck’s video blasting Mr. Klein’s ‘stupid’ post was hilarious — I think the ‘yellow journalism’ period in earlier times was very similar. Slanted papers may only have been read in DC and NYC, but the reality, then as now, was that the Beltway is the Beltway and Wall Street is Wall Street. Neither Richard Shelby nor Barney Frank gives a damn about effective government and no blogger has a chance of changing either of them.

    I think the conservative populism thrives precisely because it is so foreign to the GOP mainstream. The Democrats have always been much more masses-based; it’s their elitist liberal academics who are their fringe. This makes it harder for a separatist populist movement to take hold.

    AFA the Tea Party movement, their insistence upon staying within the GOP and their acceptance of extremist diatribe betrays their intentions as rabble rousers as opposed to true solution-seekers.

    There already exists a viable movement that speaks for individual rights and lower taxes, but it is almost completely shut out of the electoral system by gerrymandering and political entitlements: the Libertarian Party. Polls are showing increasing support for its positions and the libertarian label in spite of media manipulation and single-issue diatribe.

    Personally, especially after what I agree is Mr. Obama’s “play our way because we own the toys” attitude, I am more convinced than ever that the ONLY solution to this political hackneyism is a multi-party coalition-style government. It is coming; Libertarians are starting to swing elections in spite of the overwhelming black hole the media throw Libertarians into during election cycles.

    We (yes, I vote L more often than not) are not “third-party candidates” as CNN characterizes us. Although we too have our nut cases, the vast majority of small- and large-L libertarians are in fact those civic-minded responsible Americans being sought in this series of threads.

  • nonelitistandproud

    the silent majority has been silent long enough. Commentors such as Joe Klein are becoming as extinct as the dinosaurs. If Joe thinks his elitist attitudes are playing well with the millions of voters monitoring the politics of the present administration, then lets ask him why print media including Time has such low distribution. Joe, wake up and smell the tea, and get a grip. Learn to report the news with honesty. You should be so fortunate as to have a following anywhere near as large as Becks or Palins. I don’t spend my money on your trash or your magazine, because somewhere along the way, you and your corporate execs. have lost sight of the real Americans, but we are here, reading, listening, and monitoring everything. The elections will tell all.

  • honkylonk

    I hadn’t read a Time magazine for years until I ran across one in a Doctor’s office; it must had been all of twenty pages long… what a joke. And with self-absorbed blowhards like Joe Klein spewing their vomit onto the once respected pages of this venerable publication, is it any wonder that Time magazine’s circulation and newsstand sales (and ad sales) are in the toilet? The sooner Time (and Newsweek) fail, the better off we’ll all be.

  • pltn1

    simply put, the elite group of fascists such as Joe K, the majority of the state controlled media such as Time magazine, CNN, MSNBC, New York times, etc, etc, etc are threatened by a grass roots movement that has at it’s heart a diverse group of people from all walks of life.

    I can’t say for sure when the tea party movement started, the first time I attended a rally was April 15th 2009 (Sacramento, CA) and it was about Taxes primarily hence the date it was held.

    Joe and his group of “educated to the point of stupidity” crowd can try all they want to insult the Tea Party folks. It appears to me now that it only gets stronger and bigger with each negative comment the media throws at them, so keep it up Joey my boy!

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