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Let’s Vote!

Hmm. TPM reports some interest by House Democrats in getting a roll-call vote on Republican Congressman Paul Ryan’s incredibly fabulous plan to privatize Medicare and Social Security, while giving Seniors a fraction of the benefits they now receive. This is a Republican idea that truly needs to be taken seriously, an opportunity to see just how many Republicans are in favor of shredding the social safety net for senior citizens–an opportunity to see how many Republicans support their own “ideas.” ( A bit of context: Ryan’s plan was celebrated at the Republican retreat that President Obama attended last week.)

So, by all means, let’s give the Republicans a chance to show how concerned they are about social policy and budget deficits. Let’s Vote!

By the Way: On a related note, in response to Karen’s and Kate’s posts below, the purpose of a White House summit on health care–as Kate writes–would not be to “get things done.” The summit is a political tactic. The purpose is to further demonstrate the President’s willingness to “listen” to ideas like the Ryan plan–which can be taken apart easily in a televised meeting–and the GOP’s unwillingness to support any sort of compromise at all on health care.

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  • allthingsinaname

    It will never happen. The vote that is.

  • hotbbq

    Agreed. The Republicans would move to blaming Democrats for wasting valuable time making roll-call votes whilst Islamic terrorists plot and scheme to destroy our freedoms. Or some such foul smelling crap.

  • kevin

    As far as the summit goes, I suspect you’ll see Obama highlight the following:
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    The Republicans’ “Solutions for America” page lists four planks — purchasing insurance across state lines, pooling customers together to lower prices, encouraging state innovation, and developing new malpractice systems — and literally all four are included in Democratic proposals.

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    The Republicans have portrayed the HCR bill as some kind of far-left insanity that resulted from their ideas being shut out of the process. That’s simply not true, and Obama can easily point out the facts at the session.
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    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_02/022299.php

  • Paul-no not that one

    Congressman John P. Murtha (PA-12) passed away peacefully this afternoon at 1:18 p.m. at Virginia Hospital Center in Arlington, VA. At his bedside was his family.

  • kbanginmotown

    On the inside-baseball / process / politics side that Michael likes so much: Wouldn’t it be way cool to see the GOP filibuster bringing their own bill to the floor for a vote?
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    Paul Ryan as Bluto Blutarsky: “Who’s with me?!? YAAAAAaaaaa………………………….”
    ::crickets::

  • kbanginmotown

    RIP

  • deconstructiva

    If the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor will that unite everyone?

  • ohiolib

    RIP

  • deconstructiva

    RIP

  • pneogy

    “…Republican Congressman Paul Ryan’s incredibly fabulous plan to privatize Medicare and Social Security, while giving Seniors a fraction of the benefits they now receive.”

    ‘Fabulous plan?’ ‘fatuous plan?’

  • rustyreturns

    Ding dong the wicked Warlock of Western Pennsylvania is dead. Let’s throw a party!!!
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    One of the most corrupt men to have ever been elected to office.

  • rustyreturns

    “By the Way: On a related note, in response to Karen’s and Kate’s posts below, the purpose of a White House summit on health care–as Kate writes–would not be to “get things done.” The summit is a political tactic. The purpose is to further demonstrate the President’s willingness to “listen” to ideas like the Ryan plan–which can be taken apart easily in a televised meeting–and the GOP’s unwillingness to support any sort of compromise at all on health care.”

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    By the Way: You’re stupid!!

  • deconstructiva

    You’re all heart, rusty. For whom the bell trolls, right?

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Unfortunate for the Murtha family, as well as friends, indeed. However, can we hope that with the loss of Murtha, so goes his corner?

  • stuartzechman

    Joe Klein:

    Republican Congressman Paul Ryan’s incredibly fabulous plan to privatize Medicare and Social Security, while giving Seniors a fraction of the benefits they now receive.

    What about Ryan’s plan is different from this Republican Social Security privatization plan that you supported in 2005, when it was proposed by George W Bush ( link to Joe Klein’s advice that, if it had been implemented, would have left SS as broke as the banks last fall pre-bailout )?

    The Incredible Shrinking Democrats
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    Bush’s private investment accounts, combined with a reduction in benefits or higher taxes, is one way for baby boomers to lighten the burden of our retirement upon our children. There are other ways, but none without pain. A far more profitable—and absolutely necessary—reform would be a market-oriented overhaul of Medicare, but Dems just say no to that too.
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    The current Democrats resemble nothing so much as the Republicans during the 25 years after Roosevelt’s death—negative, defensive, intellectually feeble, a permanent minority.
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    The Democrats’ current crudeness is a function of their desperation, and the imminent ratification of Howard Dean, the least charming presidential candidate in recent memory, as their party chairman only serves to punctuate the problem.
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    All of which leaves Bush with a lot of room to lead. His speech last week was striking…It could easily have been delivered by a New Democrat
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    There is, then, a profitable discussion to be had between “ownership” Republicans and “third-way” Democrats about transforming the stagnant bureaucracies of the Industrial Age. Republicans refused to play during the Clinton presidency; the stunned and churlish Democrats are refusing now. It will be interesting to see whether Bush, at the height of his powers, actually tries to break the impasse.

    So is Paul Ryan’s plan that much more radical than W’s plan, Joe Klein?
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    Why are the Democrats not so “stunned and churlish” for opposing Ryan’s plan now?
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    You yourself advocated privatizing Social Security, and reducing benefits to some fraction of what Seniors receive now when you said “Bush’s private investment accounts, combined with a reduction in benefits or higher taxes, is one way for baby boomers to lighten the burden of our retirement upon our children.”
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    After all, you said, “There are other ways, but none without pain.
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    And privatizing Medicare sounds right up your alley, Joe Klein, since you were so bullish on the idea when you said “A far more profitable—and absolutely necessary—reform would be a market-oriented overhaul of Medicare, but Dems just say no to that too.
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    I take it that the “profitable discussion to be had between “ownership” Republicans and “third-way” Democrats” has now been indefinitely postponed…
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    What has changed, Joe Klein?

  • rustyreturns

    Here you go decon, just for you:
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    http://bit.ly/b9GDre
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    Remember Abscam?

  • rustyreturns

    Anyone who is 55 or younger and counting on Social Security and Medicare to keep them in their old age, are delusional and psychotic.
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    Joe Klein is also delusional and psychotic, that is why he wants to put up Paul Ryan’s plan as some sort of vodoo economic policy.

  • Ivy_B
  • spob

    Rusty, that’s a little over the top. Murtha was certainly no saint, and his legacy does include some very unsavory episodes. But cheering his death is a bit unseemly.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Hah! I agree. It would have been a lot simpler if Kate had just said this.
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    Besides, Ezra reports that all the GOP proposals have already been incorporated in the Senate bill. So the first question is why the Republicans are voting against a bill that includes all their proposed compromises.
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    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/02/five_compronises_in_health_car.html

  • Ivy_B

    ps: Never mind, Oliver Willis says the GOP isn’t going to accept the President’s invitation.

    http://www.oliverwillis.com/2010/02/08/gop-chickens-out-when-obama-calls-them-out/

  • bobcn1

    ‘But cheering his death is a bit unseemly.’
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    Just a bit?

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Sucks for Murtaugh and his family, but I’m holding a block party when Dubya bites the bullet.

  • kbanginmotown

    Germans?!?
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    (Forget it, Decon’s rolling…)

  • lexalexander

    Murtha’s an example of the truism that one can be both very good and very bad. By all accounts his military service was valorous, and he stood up against some of the worst excesses of Bush 43 (albeit tardily) when it still wasn’t cool to do so. But he also got, literally, his own chapter in the book “Adventures in Porkland” for a reason, and that reason reflects very poorly on him.

    That notwithstanding, my condolences to his family and friends.

  • apr2563

    kbang: FOOD FIGHT!

  • apr2563

    Stuart, I forgot that Klein jumped on the privatizing band wagon. What a mook.

  • suppo1976

    Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised: 1.) Participation in the Program would be completely voluntary.
    2.) Participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the Program. (it is now 12.4 %)
    3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year.
    4.) That the money the participants put into the Independent ‘Trust Fund’ rather than into the General Operating Fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other government program.
    5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.

    Q: Which political party took Social Security from the Independent ‘Trust Fund’ and put it into the General Fund so that Congress could spend it?
    A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratically controlled House and Senate.

    Q: Which political party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA)withholding?
    A: The Democratic Party.

    Q: Which political party started taxing Social Security annuities? A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the ‘tie-breaking’ deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the U.S.

    Q: Which political party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?
    A: That’s right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party. Immigrants moved into this country, and at age65, they began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them even though they never paid a dime into it!

    We wonder why social security is broken?

    Let’s suppose for a moment that a man and wife married in 1963 and their combined incomes were the national median. The national median in 1963 was $6249 and grew to $59,000 by 2008. During 2008 they reached the age of 65 and decided to retire. Let’s pretend the government didn’t steal this couples life savings and instead left in it in an account just like Franklin Roosevelt promised. Let’s also pretend for a moment that the government paid interest on the savings at the average stock market return rate during the period 1963 to 2008; which was 8.47 percent.

    This couple would have $750,647 in savings for retirement! This couple could withdraw their funds and invest it; and if they could select the right mix of investments that could return 8 percent on their investment they could have $60,000 a year in income.

    Instead they will receive a monthly check for about $1500, or $18,000 per year!

    I have the data that supports this calculation. Please ask if you would like to see it!

    What happened to the savings account?

    The Democratic Lead Congress and President Johnson decided to take the social security money and replace it with an I.O.U.

    For members of congress let me make it real simple: Lets say you want to send your child to college at the age of 18. So, every year on your child’s birthday you deposit $2000 into a savings account. The following day you withdraw the $2000 to buy a new car, big screen TV or other nice to have thing and replace the money with an I.O.U. On the first day of college how much money will your child have? NONE! You will have 18 I.O.U.s totalling $36,000 minus any interest payments because you don’t get interest on an I.O.U!

    That’s RIGHT! Your government took your life savings and used it for social engineering!

    Funny. Every election year the Democratic Party runs ads that say. “The Republican Party wants to take away your Social Security.” Question; how to you take something that doesn’t exist?

    Social Security is Broken and will soon totally bankrupt America! Thank YOU Congress!

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